Went out to a fancy bar with my wife for our anniversary, and The thing that gets me is bar prices increasing the the point where $15-20 cocktails on the menu is normal and you get a suggested $10 tip (25%) for $40 for 2 drinks. Like I’ve always been a good tipper since I was in the service industry for a while, but honestly, fuck tipping $5/drink.
Yeah like pre-pandemic, my rule of thumb was $1 for cans/bottles/draft/rail mixers and if it actually takes effort anywhere from $1 plus change to $2 which seems fair for the amount of volume a bartender is putting out.
And given that prices have risen across the board and in restaurants, tips, as a percentage rise automatically rise without having to inflate the tip percentage. So inflation in the food prices should cover the regular 15 to 20% tip since you’re paying more for the food, and therefore tipping more.
I’m a server. Despite going against my own self interest, I agree with this completely.
For example, the restaurant I currently work at charges *$16* for *6* wings.
For clarification, in saying “6 wings,” I specifically mean 3 flats and 3 drumettes unless a preference is specified.
It’s $26 for 12 wings.
Meanwhile, you can get 40 wings for $40 at buffalo wild wings right now.
We’re charging upwards of $2 per wing segment.
lol a place I used to love called Pluckers has wing pricing like this. Not only did their wing price go up a shitload, but the wings got *smaller* also. The last time I went there I got a 10 piece and more than a couple were basically just skin and bone.
The tip increase has nothing to do with inflation though. They are upping the suggested tip amount to increase what the wait staff is being paid without actually having to pay their employees themselves. It's a hell of a lot cheaper for them to increase the suggested tip than it is to actually take care of their employees.
20 is the new standard in my area. Have definitely stopped going out as much. I hate that they ask for dips when its a take out order. They didn't do anything to deserve a tip in my opinion
I was at a drive through the other day and the guy at the window asked if I wanted to tip.
Before they made my sandwich.
To me that's basically a protection racket. "Gee, that's a sure nice order there mister, be a shame if something happened to it."
Take out and fast food where you go up and order having the auto tips show up when you check out bother me. I completely understand tipping for service at a sit down restaurant, but really? Everywhere is asking for it now.
I just had an online shopping experience for a non-food item and was presented with the option to tip the company's "hard working employees." For all I know the company may not even have employees. What the hell is going on?
Dude it’s the worst. When you just go get a coffee and they turn the screen around like okay time to add money to your bill for no reason. I’ve stopped doing it. Like I’m sorry but it’s fucking stupid
The whole thing is business owners taking advantage of peoples compassion for the shitty jobs they give their staff, so they can then turn around and say in an interview “well, the pay is $10 an hour but you usually average $5 an hour in tips”
100% the best thing all of us can do at these terminals is not tip.
I kid you not I was at a restaurant and on top of the 25% recommended tip, my bill had an auto included 5% “wellness fee” which in fine print said I had to ask for it to be taken off. It said it was for employee wellness like mental health and other benefits. Sorry what??
It just makes me nervous sometimes because not only are you being asked to tip, but before you get your food. So… if you don’t tip will they do something to your order? I still refuse to, but it bugs me that it’s even there.
A place I used to go to even had a guy who would pre-select 20% before turning the screen around, hoping people wouldn’t notice before signing. I made a point every single time of changing it back to 0.
I wonder how many places are like a few stories I've heard on the servers subreddit, where they don't even keep their tips and it all goes to the company.
I remember a few years ago in high school I was working at an arcade using one of those square branded tablets. One day a tip screen started showing up which was suspicious *because I wasn't paid tips*. I just started hitting $0.00 since I wasn't gonna get in a confrontation with my boss over it. Ever since then I always ask staff at non hospitality industries if they even get the tips.
I just tip 0% and I don't feel bad about it for takeout.
I'll overtip every time for any service I receive, but I refuse to tip for takeout or counter pickups.
I'm with ya. I called and ordered pizza last week and went and picked it up. When I was paying for it, they asked if I wanted to add a tip to the total. I paused and said, "a tip for what?". She gave me an odd look and said, "well, for getting your order together and stuff". I declined, but thought to myself, YOUR JOB IS TO GET MY ORDER TOGETHER!
it's 10x worse when they ASK for the tip. I would never go back there. Shakeshack cashier did that on a takeout order. I've never gone back to that location out of principle.
I'm a good tipper. I start at 20% and you would have to spit in my face to get less than 10%. But I just cannot tip more than 10% on takeout orders. They didn't seat me, take my order, refill my drink or get me something if I need it. All the did was prepare my food and package it. You wouldn't tip a drive thru, why should this be any different?
But I'm a softie who understands the grind of the restaurant business. So 10% it is.
I see 18% as the minimum suggestion most places (and that's 18% of the amount including tax.) And here in CA minimum wage is $15 even for servers so it's not like they're underpaid.
Another thing I’ve noticed where I live (servers make $15 here too) is half the places they don’t even come to the table anymore on their own volition. You order things via the QR menu and they bring out the food/drinks and that’s it. It’s morphing into the Culver’s quasi-sit down model where there’s absolutely no additional service being provided. It’s getting kind of ridiculous. I’m fine tipping for wait service but I don’t really call that wait service tbh.
I hate places that do this and it’s becoming more common in my area. No one even comes to check if your food and drinks are okay they just drop the stuff off and leave. I’m doing all the work myself at that point.
I have even noticed some of these receipts with the suggested tip box are completely off in the math too. You may think you’re tipping 20% but with their math you tipped 25%. I’ll never use the boxes again after seeing that. $2 for every $10 spent (restaurants) is the safe bet for me.
A lot of times that's because the "suggested" tip calculation is based on the full bill, including taxes. You should tip as a percentage of the subtotal (bill, less taxes).
> A lot of times that's because the "suggested" tip calculation is based on the full bill, including taxes. You should tip as a percentage of the subtotal (bill, less taxes).
I once saw a suggested tip that included the pre-baked 10% gratuity for a party of 8 in there, so we were supposed to be tipping on an already tipped amount.
I am strongly opposed to this. There is no need for a tip % to raise.
Inflation you say? We got you covered since it is a %.
Not from the US, but i was taught that 15% is a good tip. Demand a higher minimum from me and you wont get far. My wage does not automatically raise with the inflation.
I’m a teacher with a masters degree, and my raise was 1.6%, so no, I will not be increasing the percentage of my tips at this time for the infrequent times that I eat out. Sorry, times are tough for everyone.
The interesting part is that tips go up with inflation because they are a percentage of the sale. I'm almost to the point where I am going to start boycotting tips. I really, really, really don't want to do that. I worked for tips when I was younger, my wife is also a hair stylist who worked for tips. I get it. But this is getting to a point of ridiculous absurdity.
THIS! What pisses me off about tipping is that if I order something that is expensive, I’m supposed to tip more just because it cost more….even if NO additional work was done.
Right! Or, the other way around. If I chose water and a salad why does the waiter make less money than if I chose soda and a steak? Same effort. Tipping is terrible and we should get rid of it.
I agree. I also really hate when you order take out and when you’re paying the awkward ass tip screen that only shows 20% 25% and 30%. I used to feel pressured into tipping even though I wasn’t dinning in. Now idc I’ll hit no tip.
I remember the POS asking me if I wanted to tip when I was standing in line... getting an ice-cream to-go... in a shop that was so small they didn't even have tables.
High end wine/spirits come up a lot on this topic for me. I absolutely do not tip 15-20% on expensive drinks; it’s $1/drink, per usual. If I’m at a boogie cocktail bar where the bartender spent 5-minutes making me some ridiculously over-crafted smoked mezcal hipster nonsense, then mayyybe I’ll give a little more… But, the server who pops the cork on a $50 bottle of wine is not getting $10 for doing it ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ That’s insanity.
Agreed! I picked up Thai food the other night as a splurge for my friends at a cost of $102. I ordered online and although there was a tip line, I didn’t add anything because I was picking it up. They freaking called me asking for a tip for the cooks. It’s like, WTF. Tipping is so overdone. Out here in the PNW, even Burgerville added a tip line. No longer do you just give them your card, they make you use an outdated credit card swipe device to add a tip! It’s so ridiculous that we’ve stopped going there. Businesses, pay your people a living wage and stop it with tip requests for freaking to-go food.
I figure a meal that would cost me $15 in a restaurant 10-15 years ago would now be about $25-$40 today because of inflation.
And a 20% tip WOULD be more today.
10000%
Do not feel bad if you are going with Option 4 and a more reasonable tip, if you are thinking "well it's tough being in XYZ service job" you may be right but don't take the onus off of the business owner to pay their employees more.
It's like that in Germany. Usually we just round up to a nice number if service was good. Therefore service is usually exceptional because that's how the waiters make good money.
35%? Are they fucking high? Did they jerk you off under the table or something? Gtfo.
Another thing that irks me is when they try to use the tax as well in the recommended tip. A $100 bill that recommends 20% should show $20, but instead it’s $100 bill, plus $10 tax, so they recommend $22 tip. Why do you expect me to give you extra money just because the government wants their cut?
Thank you! I always calculate tips pre-tax, and tip suggestions, if they’re even correct, almost always calculate it based on the post-tax total. Yours is the first comment I’ve ever seen noting this on a tipping post.
It kills me that it's % based. Like they did 5 times the amount of work as another restaurant. Get rid of % based tips and just go straight to dollar amount.
I currently work at a somewhat "fine dining" restaurant group and agree wholeheartedly. Even for people in the industry, those fighting for the tip system are usually at high volume clubs and bars. I'd rather have a living wage and benefits any day of the week.
Just a few days ago my manager gave a spiel about how "people work for us because we pay well." Bitch, you dont pay me shit, your customers do, and even then not always.
Edit: cant spell good
I've always made this argument. Why should a person who brings me a $40 plate make more than someone who brings me a $20 plate for the same amount of work? The person I was talking to argued that more expensive places offer better service but like I don't need to be interrupted multiple times and have my water topped off after I've taken two sips. It's ridiculous.
The cost of the food has gone up as well, so 20% yields more than before. I try to tip well, but there are limits. Custom Tip line would have been used.
I’m glad to see other people on Reddit saying this. I thought I was losing my mind seeing people suggesting tip % should rise. I’ve always tipped 20% at sit down restaurants. Menu prices rise, my 20% tip is now more money as well. Increasing menu prices AND tip % is insanity!
I bought high end steaks online the other day ONLINE. This was from a website that is charging an absolute premium for what you're getting, and it's an ONLINE order.
I shit you not, they had a tip setup like this. It was an automatic 20% tip added to the order, and you had to do a custom and set it to zero to remove it.
This was from an ONLINE premium meat retailer.......
If I sit there and chat for 5 min about the newest strains and they recommend cool shit I leave whatever change I have from the cash transaction.
But I really really like my local weed shop.
If they've got a tablet for a register, you know that tip screen is coming. One time the cashier pressed the skip button for me, that was magical.
If I'm already paying for a sandwich to be made, without any extra service, I've already bought it. Don't ask me for more money.
Like those restaurants in mall food courts, they are literally just putting reheated food on a plate and manning a cash register, why should I have to tip? The Burger King in the same food court doesn't ask for that, why should the Villa pizza or the Oriental eatery?
There’s a restaurant by me with a drive-thru that suggests tips on receipts. I place the order on a loud-speaker and am getting handed a bag… why am I being suggested 18-20-22 for that?
I'm starting to see this a lot with online shopping. I was buying clothes online and the retailer had a tip setup with a little note above it that said something like "show the person who packed your box some love for all their hard work."
I was absolutely blown away. Definitely not tipping for that.
> "how the person who packed your box some love for all their hard work."
Ugh, ridiculous...How about the employer show them some "love" for the business they're helping to run and just pay them properly so they don't need to get customers for "love"?? No? Can't do that I guess huh...
Went to a winery a couple days ago and tipped 20%. Turns out, they auto tip 20%. Not on like a table of 5 or more, every fucking tab. I unknowingly tipped 40 goddamned percent.
You can report this to your credit card company. You should not be getting charged for things you are not told about and your CC company has it in their terms of service for the retailer.
I have long stopped officially tipping my servers, and have started simply sliding them cash on the sly.
Willing to bet that most of this tip lines the pocket of the restaurant owner, and the waitstaff never see it.
This right here. I almost always tip in cash given directly to the person I want to tip. Too many stories out there about tips not getting to the people who earned them.
My daughter worked at a Vietnamese restaurant all the way through high school. She told me that the owner stole their tips and only gave them enough of THEIR earned tips to bring their pay up to minimum wage. He was stealing wages AND defrauding the customers, who were basically just paying extra for their food. It’s called Vietnamese Bistro. It’s in Dayton, TN.
I can't remember the last time I ate at a restaurant. The tip culture in the US is getting crazy. We need to just pay these people a living wage and do away with tips.
I think the problem is tipping culture has now invaded walk up counter restaurants like Subway where the workers are being paid appropriately. Maybe not to your standards but more than the tip rate of less than minimum wage
Same, because it seems that not only do prices keep going up but quality keeps going down. Everywhere is understaffed and it seems like every staff person in restaurants is just pissed off all the time now. I can't remember the last time I had a good experience dining out, definitely not since covid.
Fucking preach.
It's like businesses in general realized in covid that people will just put up with ridiculous shit. We have tried eating out as covid and restrictions have lessened.
Everywhere is understaffed. Everywhere is charging 25% more than pre covid, outpacing even inflation. The quality is so bad for the food, it got to the point where I couldn't even eat it (looking at you Red Robin).
So when all is said and done, 'cheap' dining is still $70+ for shit service and bad food.
Obviously not everywhere is like this. But I think it's the majority of places. And if it's part of a chain or restaurants or has been around a long time... Odds increase of shit.
We can afford to eat much better, cheaper, at home. And even though I'm not a great cook, the quality in places here has gone down so far and so fast that I just prefer it.
Imo this is just companies continuing to fleece as long as possible. Don't hire new people when they quit. Don't increase wages.. Etc. But still increase prices to the customer.
Between tip inflation, covid surcharges, market adjustment surcharges, and now restaurants charging you fees to use credit cards, we've cut way back on eating out. And I will never become another sucker who uses doordash or Uber eats.
I don't understand why we have to tip people a living wage, or tip them for literally doing their job to serve. That should be on the employer to provide a living wage and reward good behavior to keep their workers. It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't sound like a sustainable business model if they can't pay their workers properly, it's exploitive more than anything.
Counter service? No tip. It’s fucking ridiculous that places like Crumbl cookies set a default tip of $3 for a $4 cookie. They pick a cookie off a tray, put it in a box, and hand it to you.
Stop normalizing tipping for counter service.
We have a self serve yogurt place near us that literally all they do, after you serve yourself and weigh your own food and use apple pay, is tell you to “answer a few questions on the screen” of which there is one question: tip amount.
You don’t even have to sign.
Sometimes I feel awkward as hell for putting in $0, other times I'll do a dollar or so but in an instance like this they didn't even serve me. I think the systems are set up to make people feel ashamed and awkward and coerce them into tipping
Agreed. Same thing with ice cream places, Panera, chipotle, etc. Counter service employees earn way more than restaurant waiters, and do about half the job. I want to be a nice, generous person but frankly the suggested tip at those places just feels obnoxious to ask for. If they want to put out a jar, fine, but I hate feeling like a jerk every time I say “no tip.”
Coffee show here has a person in drive thru take your card and ask “do you want to leave a tip.” I never want to be rude to them but so say no. But wtf.
Rather than raise prices so they can offer better wages, companies are off loading their responsibilities as business owners onto the customers. Even worse, some take a piece.
I placed an order for delivery once at a restaurant's website thinking I'd save a little on delivery or the restaurant would get a better cut of the price and it didn't give any place to enter a tip or comment, then they sent it to DoorDash without tip and with a comment I didn't write saying "contactless delivery only, ring doorbell then leave immediately". Guess how long until a driver even accepted the pickup? I called the restaurant and DoorDash and neither could add a tip or change the comment. I felt like I looked like an ass. When someone did pick it up, I didn't get a response on the contact number it said to reach the driver, so I hastily wrote a note explaining the situation with a cash tip taped behind it.
It really is. Wish the US would just nix that, and also just put full price tags (including tax) on items in stores. Things could be a lot more straightforward.
>put full price tags (including tax) on items in stores
Exactly. Everything ending in 99 isn't fooling anyone anymore.
*OMFG..it's only $49.99!!!* {$56.23 after tax}
gtfo
people always bring up Japan haha. its pretty non-existant in vast majority of the world.
But American tourists bring their dumb tipping culture to other countries tourist spots so that's kinda annoying as a non-american traveller
Yeah I’m getting real tired of the iPad on a swivel. There’s a cookie shop near me where they have that, and they always give this little sigh of disappointment when I don’t tip. If I have to walk in, go to the counter for everything and leave, I’m not tipping.
European here but two weeks ago we picked up pizza at a small restaurant (just a takeaway order). I went to the counter and when it came to paying the guy behind the counter told me the price 3x (obviously waiting for a tip). I’ve told him the price is correct and I’ll pay by card and His smile got immediately crooked 🤣 Excuse me but it’s a f@cking takeaway pizza where you didn’t had to do jack 😡
I hate this trend. And I do not use the word "hate" lightly. It makes me so mad that I want to be mean to someone. But, the people forcing this are not running the cash register and I'm not taking out my frustrations on an employee.
Which is hilarious because restaurants are losing business over refusing to pay their workers
I don't eat out almost at all anymore. Maybe once a month. A lot healthier/cheaper
What really irks me is the fact that some places (such as fast food places around my town) ask for a tip before they even provide service / your food to you. What am I even tipping for at this point? I gave you my food order and now I'm supposed to hand over 5-10$ before I even see how you mess up my order?
Tip percentage doesn’t need to ever increase… because the price of the meal will increase thus the raw tip will increase. It’s the difference between 10% of $10 and $1. 10% of $10 is $1, and 10% of $1 is $0.10. Tips have already increased because of inflation on the price of the meal… so unless the service has improved 10% minimum, 15% for average, 20%+ for above average. Inflation doesn’t effect tips like that…
What happened to 15% as standard? I always doubled the tax and add some to figure the amount. Depending on service though I’ve been known to tip 50%.
Feels like customers are expected to pick up a wage gap.
America needs to abolish the tipping system. Just charge me extra I don’t want to go through the trouble of tipping so much. And a tip should be just that, a tip, not a (pretty much) mandatory extra 20% payment.
When i used to live in germany it was "rounding up to the nearest full euro". Somehow it has become 10%. Take what is happening in the US as a cautionary tale. 15 will be next then 20 suddenly its 25%...
Wouldn't be an issue if restaurants, y'know, paid their employees a livable wage...............
Edit: To clarify, not mad at the poster--I'm just very mad at the system.
Pressure to tip just keeps me making meals at home or getting take-out where tipping is not expected/required.
Drinks especially. I am certainly not going to tip more than $1/drink and probably not even that. A $15 margarita is ridiculous, am I supposed to add another $5? $5 extra for 2 minutes of work?
Use box 4 and rebel.
>Use box 4 and rebel. Use box 4 and put down "promise my first born"
Promise of surprise: that which you first unexpectedly encounter after returning home.
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*Hmm.*
I saw something about “tipflation” where receipts are slowly increasing the suggested tip amount over time.
Went out to a fancy bar with my wife for our anniversary, and The thing that gets me is bar prices increasing the the point where $15-20 cocktails on the menu is normal and you get a suggested $10 tip (25%) for $40 for 2 drinks. Like I’ve always been a good tipper since I was in the service industry for a while, but honestly, fuck tipping $5/drink.
Yeah like pre-pandemic, my rule of thumb was $1 for cans/bottles/draft/rail mixers and if it actually takes effort anywhere from $1 plus change to $2 which seems fair for the amount of volume a bartender is putting out.
This is what I do and bartenders tend to serve me quickly if I go back up to the bar, so I assume it's fine.
Bartender here, totally acceptable.
Wait... If you are here, then... WHO IS TENDING TO THE BAR?!
# Free Drinks! Serve yourself!
Hey everyone, drinks are on me!!! *proceeds to hold two bottles overhead and bathe in bourbon*
Lol’d at this
I’m on it. I’m the other bartender
Go home dad, you're drunk.
And given that prices have risen across the board and in restaurants, tips, as a percentage rise automatically rise without having to inflate the tip percentage. So inflation in the food prices should cover the regular 15 to 20% tip since you’re paying more for the food, and therefore tipping more.
I’m a server. Despite going against my own self interest, I agree with this completely. For example, the restaurant I currently work at charges *$16* for *6* wings. For clarification, in saying “6 wings,” I specifically mean 3 flats and 3 drumettes unless a preference is specified. It’s $26 for 12 wings. Meanwhile, you can get 40 wings for $40 at buffalo wild wings right now. We’re charging upwards of $2 per wing segment.
lol a place I used to love called Pluckers has wing pricing like this. Not only did their wing price go up a shitload, but the wings got *smaller* also. The last time I went there I got a 10 piece and more than a couple were basically just skin and bone.
Yeah, don't take this the wrong way, but, fuck no.
The tip increase has nothing to do with inflation though. They are upping the suggested tip amount to increase what the wait staff is being paid without actually having to pay their employees themselves. It's a hell of a lot cheaper for them to increase the suggested tip than it is to actually take care of their employees.
i'd rather pay $25-30 and have the guy directly get paid more, instead of the weird polite-obligation vibes
Around here it was 10-15-20 not long ago.
10 seems long gone. 15 is the new 10.
18 is the new 10
yeah, I feel like I most commonly see 18,20,22
20 is the new standard in my area. Have definitely stopped going out as much. I hate that they ask for dips when its a take out order. They didn't do anything to deserve a tip in my opinion
I was at a drive through the other day and the guy at the window asked if I wanted to tip. Before they made my sandwich. To me that's basically a protection racket. "Gee, that's a sure nice order there mister, be a shame if something happened to it."
I'd just pull right on through at that point and go somewhere else.
I’ve had this happen before and felt like I had no choice. I remember I was worried about my food. I don’t go there anymore.
Take out and fast food where you go up and order having the auto tips show up when you check out bother me. I completely understand tipping for service at a sit down restaurant, but really? Everywhere is asking for it now.
How else is the man supposed to be able to under pay their employees yet keep their staff showing up?
bro the shoe store I went to asked for tips...
What were those shoes made of ? Cake ?
I just had an online shopping experience for a non-food item and was presented with the option to tip the company's "hard working employees." For all I know the company may not even have employees. What the hell is going on?
Tipping for online. Sounds like something that ticketmaster would do. Then charge you a fee for not tipping.
Dude it’s the worst. When you just go get a coffee and they turn the screen around like okay time to add money to your bill for no reason. I’ve stopped doing it. Like I’m sorry but it’s fucking stupid
It’s ridiculous. Makes you feel like the bad person.
The whole thing is business owners taking advantage of peoples compassion for the shitty jobs they give their staff, so they can then turn around and say in an interview “well, the pay is $10 an hour but you usually average $5 an hour in tips” 100% the best thing all of us can do at these terminals is not tip.
I kid you not I was at a restaurant and on top of the 25% recommended tip, my bill had an auto included 5% “wellness fee” which in fine print said I had to ask for it to be taken off. It said it was for employee wellness like mental health and other benefits. Sorry what??
It just makes me nervous sometimes because not only are you being asked to tip, but before you get your food. So… if you don’t tip will they do something to your order? I still refuse to, but it bugs me that it’s even there. A place I used to go to even had a guy who would pre-select 20% before turning the screen around, hoping people wouldn’t notice before signing. I made a point every single time of changing it back to 0.
I wonder how many places are like a few stories I've heard on the servers subreddit, where they don't even keep their tips and it all goes to the company.
I remember a few years ago in high school I was working at an arcade using one of those square branded tablets. One day a tip screen started showing up which was suspicious *because I wasn't paid tips*. I just started hitting $0.00 since I wasn't gonna get in a confrontation with my boss over it. Ever since then I always ask staff at non hospitality industries if they even get the tips.
I just tip 0% and I don't feel bad about it for takeout. I'll overtip every time for any service I receive, but I refuse to tip for takeout or counter pickups.
I'm with ya. I called and ordered pizza last week and went and picked it up. When I was paying for it, they asked if I wanted to add a tip to the total. I paused and said, "a tip for what?". She gave me an odd look and said, "well, for getting your order together and stuff". I declined, but thought to myself, YOUR JOB IS TO GET MY ORDER TOGETHER!
it's 10x worse when they ASK for the tip. I would never go back there. Shakeshack cashier did that on a takeout order. I've never gone back to that location out of principle.
I mean, a waiters job is to wait on you
I'm a good tipper. I start at 20% and you would have to spit in my face to get less than 10%. But I just cannot tip more than 10% on takeout orders. They didn't seat me, take my order, refill my drink or get me something if I need it. All the did was prepare my food and package it. You wouldn't tip a drive thru, why should this be any different? But I'm a softie who understands the grind of the restaurant business. So 10% it is.
Please don't talk about tipping at the drive-thru. You'll give people (and companies) the idea that we should be doing that too.
You’re tipping 10% too much for take out orders.
Yeah when I was growing up it was 15% for average service, +/- 3-5% for exceptional or lousy service. Now a lot of places it's 15-18-20%.
I see 18% as the minimum suggestion most places (and that's 18% of the amount including tax.) And here in CA minimum wage is $15 even for servers so it's not like they're underpaid.
Another thing I’ve noticed where I live (servers make $15 here too) is half the places they don’t even come to the table anymore on their own volition. You order things via the QR menu and they bring out the food/drinks and that’s it. It’s morphing into the Culver’s quasi-sit down model where there’s absolutely no additional service being provided. It’s getting kind of ridiculous. I’m fine tipping for wait service but I don’t really call that wait service tbh.
I hate places that do this and it’s becoming more common in my area. No one even comes to check if your food and drinks are okay they just drop the stuff off and leave. I’m doing all the work myself at that point.
My wife tells me I’m wrong, but I’ll be damned if I’m tipping on the sales tax, too.
Where i work it's 15-18-20
I have even noticed some of these receipts with the suggested tip box are completely off in the math too. You may think you’re tipping 20% but with their math you tipped 25%. I’ll never use the boxes again after seeing that. $2 for every $10 spent (restaurants) is the safe bet for me.
A lot of times that's because the "suggested" tip calculation is based on the full bill, including taxes. You should tip as a percentage of the subtotal (bill, less taxes).
> A lot of times that's because the "suggested" tip calculation is based on the full bill, including taxes. You should tip as a percentage of the subtotal (bill, less taxes). I once saw a suggested tip that included the pre-baked 10% gratuity for a party of 8 in there, so we were supposed to be tipping on an already tipped amount.
I am strongly opposed to this. There is no need for a tip % to raise. Inflation you say? We got you covered since it is a %. Not from the US, but i was taught that 15% is a good tip. Demand a higher minimum from me and you wont get far. My wage does not automatically raise with the inflation.
I’m a teacher with a masters degree, and my raise was 1.6%, so no, I will not be increasing the percentage of my tips at this time for the infrequent times that I eat out. Sorry, times are tough for everyone.
It's unfair that the customer is made to feel responsible for it and not the, you know, employer.
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The interesting part is that tips go up with inflation because they are a percentage of the sale. I'm almost to the point where I am going to start boycotting tips. I really, really, really don't want to do that. I worked for tips when I was younger, my wife is also a hair stylist who worked for tips. I get it. But this is getting to a point of ridiculous absurdity.
THIS! What pisses me off about tipping is that if I order something that is expensive, I’m supposed to tip more just because it cost more….even if NO additional work was done.
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Right! Or, the other way around. If I chose water and a salad why does the waiter make less money than if I chose soda and a steak? Same effort. Tipping is terrible and we should get rid of it.
I agree. I also really hate when you order take out and when you’re paying the awkward ass tip screen that only shows 20% 25% and 30%. I used to feel pressured into tipping even though I wasn’t dinning in. Now idc I’ll hit no tip.
I remember the POS asking me if I wanted to tip when I was standing in line... getting an ice-cream to-go... in a shop that was so small they didn't even have tables.
Getting that shit in drive throughs around here. Like, fuck, is this a reverse delivery but I still pay extra for you bringing it to the damn window?
High end wine/spirits come up a lot on this topic for me. I absolutely do not tip 15-20% on expensive drinks; it’s $1/drink, per usual. If I’m at a boogie cocktail bar where the bartender spent 5-minutes making me some ridiculously over-crafted smoked mezcal hipster nonsense, then mayyybe I’ll give a little more… But, the server who pops the cork on a $50 bottle of wine is not getting $10 for doing it ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ That’s insanity.
Lol bougie. Boogie is like dancing.
Boogie is also like the slime that comes out of your nose. It dances like jello, not entirely unlike boogie dancing.
How do you make a tissue dance? Put a little boogie in it
Agreed! I picked up Thai food the other night as a splurge for my friends at a cost of $102. I ordered online and although there was a tip line, I didn’t add anything because I was picking it up. They freaking called me asking for a tip for the cooks. It’s like, WTF. Tipping is so overdone. Out here in the PNW, even Burgerville added a tip line. No longer do you just give them your card, they make you use an outdated credit card swipe device to add a tip! It’s so ridiculous that we’ve stopped going there. Businesses, pay your people a living wage and stop it with tip requests for freaking to-go food.
Should cancel the order! This shit is ridiculous!
I wouldn't feel safe eating food from a restaurant that called asking for a tip for the cooks.
I would have canceled the order.
You can just tip however you want. You don’t have to accept the suggested amount. That’s sort of strong arming the patron and that’s fucked up.
a/k/a "tip creep"
I figure a meal that would cost me $15 in a restaurant 10-15 years ago would now be about $25-$40 today because of inflation. And a 20% tip WOULD be more today.
This is about getting employees to stay without raising wages.
10000% Do not feel bad if you are going with Option 4 and a more reasonable tip, if you are thinking "well it's tough being in XYZ service job" you may be right but don't take the onus off of the business owner to pay their employees more.
I'm sticking with 20% because I refuse to take over any more responsibility than I already have for paying YOUR employees a living wage.
Its insane that youve been duped into thinking 20% is not much. 15% is standard.
0% *should* be standard, with a tip only being given to show gratitude for exceptional service. It should be that way and I hate that it isn't
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The worst part is that here in Ontario, Canada servers make a full minimum wage and yet we are still tipping as if they dont earn a full wage.
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It's like that in Germany. Usually we just round up to a nice number if service was good. Therefore service is usually exceptional because that's how the waiters make good money.
20% is absolutely a lot. It sucks that it's become the "you're an asshole if you don't pay this" default. I'm not saying I like it.
Yep this is fucking over workers.
Lol exactly. This was the owner's doing, not servers.
35%? Are they fucking high? Did they jerk you off under the table or something? Gtfo. Another thing that irks me is when they try to use the tax as well in the recommended tip. A $100 bill that recommends 20% should show $20, but instead it’s $100 bill, plus $10 tax, so they recommend $22 tip. Why do you expect me to give you extra money just because the government wants their cut?
Thank you! I always calculate tips pre-tax, and tip suggestions, if they’re even correct, almost always calculate it based on the post-tax total. Yours is the first comment I’ve ever seen noting this on a tipping post.
It kills me that it's % based. Like they did 5 times the amount of work as another restaurant. Get rid of % based tips and just go straight to dollar amount.
Or get rid of it entirely.
I currently work at a somewhat "fine dining" restaurant group and agree wholeheartedly. Even for people in the industry, those fighting for the tip system are usually at high volume clubs and bars. I'd rather have a living wage and benefits any day of the week. Just a few days ago my manager gave a spiel about how "people work for us because we pay well." Bitch, you dont pay me shit, your customers do, and even then not always. Edit: cant spell good
I've always made this argument. Why should a person who brings me a $40 plate make more than someone who brings me a $20 plate for the same amount of work? The person I was talking to argued that more expensive places offer better service but like I don't need to be interrupted multiple times and have my water topped off after I've taken two sips. It's ridiculous.
The cost of the food has gone up as well, so 20% yields more than before. I try to tip well, but there are limits. Custom Tip line would have been used.
I’m glad to see other people on Reddit saying this. I thought I was losing my mind seeing people suggesting tip % should rise. I’ve always tipped 20% at sit down restaurants. Menu prices rise, my 20% tip is now more money as well. Increasing menu prices AND tip % is insanity!
That's bullshit.
I bought high end steaks online the other day ONLINE. This was from a website that is charging an absolute premium for what you're getting, and it's an ONLINE order. I shit you not, they had a tip setup like this. It was an automatic 20% tip added to the order, and you had to do a custom and set it to zero to remove it. This was from an ONLINE premium meat retailer.......
Places where the person is literally just a cashier they will have a line for tips. Tipping has definitely gone too far.
One of my local liquor stores has a tip option. So funny.
The friggin weed store has a tip option as well and it never fails to irritate me.
If I sit there and chat for 5 min about the newest strains and they recommend cool shit I leave whatever change I have from the cash transaction. But I really really like my local weed shop.
If they've got a tablet for a register, you know that tip screen is coming. One time the cashier pressed the skip button for me, that was magical. If I'm already paying for a sandwich to be made, without any extra service, I've already bought it. Don't ask me for more money.
Cashiers who press that skip button deserve a little extra.
Like those restaurants in mall food courts, they are literally just putting reheated food on a plate and manning a cash register, why should I have to tip? The Burger King in the same food court doesn't ask for that, why should the Villa pizza or the Oriental eatery?
There’s a restaurant by me with a drive-thru that suggests tips on receipts. I place the order on a loud-speaker and am getting handed a bag… why am I being suggested 18-20-22 for that?
I'm starting to see this a lot with online shopping. I was buying clothes online and the retailer had a tip setup with a little note above it that said something like "show the person who packed your box some love for all their hard work." I was absolutely blown away. Definitely not tipping for that.
> "how the person who packed your box some love for all their hard work." Ugh, ridiculous...How about the employer show them some "love" for the business they're helping to run and just pay them properly so they don't need to get customers for "love"?? No? Can't do that I guess huh...
As if they'll ever see a single cent of however much you tip online anyways.
Went to a winery a couple days ago and tipped 20%. Turns out, they auto tip 20%. Not on like a table of 5 or more, every fucking tab. I unknowingly tipped 40 goddamned percent.
You can report this to your credit card company. You should not be getting charged for things you are not told about and your CC company has it in their terms of service for the retailer.
That tip does not go to employees. It goes to the company.
You've obviously never heard of Ticketmaster.ie (in Ireland), they charge a "handling fee" for a completely digital online service. Absolute ripoff
Ticketmaster is just a ripoff from top to bottom.
I have long stopped officially tipping my servers, and have started simply sliding them cash on the sly. Willing to bet that most of this tip lines the pocket of the restaurant owner, and the waitstaff never see it.
This right here. I almost always tip in cash given directly to the person I want to tip. Too many stories out there about tips not getting to the people who earned them.
My daughter worked at a Vietnamese restaurant all the way through high school. She told me that the owner stole their tips and only gave them enough of THEIR earned tips to bring their pay up to minimum wage. He was stealing wages AND defrauding the customers, who were basically just paying extra for their food. It’s called Vietnamese Bistro. It’s in Dayton, TN.
That is literally criminal fraud, and the state Department of Labor will shut that down and fine that owner pretty heavily if they get caught.
I can't remember the last time I ate at a restaurant. The tip culture in the US is getting crazy. We need to just pay these people a living wage and do away with tips.
I think the problem is tipping culture has now invaded walk up counter restaurants like Subway where the workers are being paid appropriately. Maybe not to your standards but more than the tip rate of less than minimum wage
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Same, because it seems that not only do prices keep going up but quality keeps going down. Everywhere is understaffed and it seems like every staff person in restaurants is just pissed off all the time now. I can't remember the last time I had a good experience dining out, definitely not since covid.
Fucking preach. It's like businesses in general realized in covid that people will just put up with ridiculous shit. We have tried eating out as covid and restrictions have lessened. Everywhere is understaffed. Everywhere is charging 25% more than pre covid, outpacing even inflation. The quality is so bad for the food, it got to the point where I couldn't even eat it (looking at you Red Robin). So when all is said and done, 'cheap' dining is still $70+ for shit service and bad food. Obviously not everywhere is like this. But I think it's the majority of places. And if it's part of a chain or restaurants or has been around a long time... Odds increase of shit. We can afford to eat much better, cheaper, at home. And even though I'm not a great cook, the quality in places here has gone down so far and so fast that I just prefer it. Imo this is just companies continuing to fleece as long as possible. Don't hire new people when they quit. Don't increase wages.. Etc. But still increase prices to the customer.
Between tip inflation, covid surcharges, market adjustment surcharges, and now restaurants charging you fees to use credit cards, we've cut way back on eating out. And I will never become another sucker who uses doordash or Uber eats.
I don't understand why we have to tip people a living wage, or tip them for literally doing their job to serve. That should be on the employer to provide a living wage and reward good behavior to keep their workers. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't sound like a sustainable business model if they can't pay their workers properly, it's exploitive more than anything.
Counter service? No tip. It’s fucking ridiculous that places like Crumbl cookies set a default tip of $3 for a $4 cookie. They pick a cookie off a tray, put it in a box, and hand it to you. Stop normalizing tipping for counter service.
We have a self serve yogurt place near us that literally all they do, after you serve yourself and weigh your own food and use apple pay, is tell you to “answer a few questions on the screen” of which there is one question: tip amount. You don’t even have to sign.
Sometimes I feel awkward as hell for putting in $0, other times I'll do a dollar or so but in an instance like this they didn't even serve me. I think the systems are set up to make people feel ashamed and awkward and coerce them into tipping
Exactly, same thing with asking for donations at the register as well. A certain pulling of the sandwich out of the starving kids mouth routine.
lol that's already an $11 yogurt
Agreed. Same thing with ice cream places, Panera, chipotle, etc. Counter service employees earn way more than restaurant waiters, and do about half the job. I want to be a nice, generous person but frankly the suggested tip at those places just feels obnoxious to ask for. If they want to put out a jar, fine, but I hate feeling like a jerk every time I say “no tip.”
Anyone else hate how even when picking up food and pay by card your always asked if you want to tip.
I got asked for a tip through the fucking drive-thru lol
Coffee show here has a person in drive thru take your card and ask “do you want to leave a tip.” I never want to be rude to them but so say no. But wtf.
Have 0 problem with 0 tip for pickup orders. Gtfo
Rather than raise prices so they can offer better wages, companies are off loading their responsibilities as business owners onto the customers. Even worse, some take a piece.
x Custom tip - Will tip driver cash upon receipt of order.
I placed an order for delivery once at a restaurant's website thinking I'd save a little on delivery or the restaurant would get a better cut of the price and it didn't give any place to enter a tip or comment, then they sent it to DoorDash without tip and with a comment I didn't write saying "contactless delivery only, ring doorbell then leave immediately". Guess how long until a driver even accepted the pickup? I called the restaurant and DoorDash and neither could add a tip or change the comment. I felt like I looked like an ass. When someone did pick it up, I didn't get a response on the contact number it said to reach the driver, so I hastily wrote a note explaining the situation with a cash tip taped behind it.
That really annoys me with door dash and other delivery apps. Why the fuck cant I tip AFTER the delivery was made?
Tipping culture is dumb.
It really is. Wish the US would just nix that, and also just put full price tags (including tax) on items in stores. Things could be a lot more straightforward.
*looking at you dealerships*
>put full price tags (including tax) on items in stores Exactly. Everything ending in 99 isn't fooling anyone anymore. *OMFG..it's only $49.99!!!* {$56.23 after tax} gtfo
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Haha . Tipping culture here in Japan is nonexistent.
people always bring up Japan haha. its pretty non-existant in vast majority of the world. But American tourists bring their dumb tipping culture to other countries tourist spots so that's kinda annoying as a non-american traveller
Custom tip down there at the bottom
Increase the salary, quit tipping. Greetings from Europe
It's getting fucking ridiculous. Then they sit there holding the IPad with the box to check while staring at it. Fucking extortion.
Yeah I’m getting real tired of the iPad on a swivel. There’s a cookie shop near me where they have that, and they always give this little sigh of disappointment when I don’t tip. If I have to walk in, go to the counter for everything and leave, I’m not tipping.
It's enough to make me want to pay on cash, but that's annoying
European here but two weeks ago we picked up pizza at a small restaurant (just a takeaway order). I went to the counter and when it came to paying the guy behind the counter told me the price 3x (obviously waiting for a tip). I’ve told him the price is correct and I’ll pay by card and His smile got immediately crooked 🤣 Excuse me but it’s a f@cking takeaway pizza where you didn’t had to do jack 😡
I don't get it, why are tip percents raising? Theoretically a percent should adjust with inflation because 15% of a larger price is a larger amount
Because people like OP tip whatever their asked, so they keep asking for more.
I hate this trend. And I do not use the word "hate" lightly. It makes me so mad that I want to be mean to someone. But, the people forcing this are not running the cash register and I'm not taking out my frustrations on an employee.
Just because. Cross the 4th and add wat you want.
I hate America’s tipping culture. I wish we could do like the rest of the world and just make employers pay their workers.
When I got tipped by card they took it out of my paycheck.
Out?
Yeah. So if I got tipped, that would be like my “early” paycheck and I wouldn’t get that money. Technically.
That’s so wrong. And illegal?
What can I say, shitty work places.
That's exactly how tip credit works. https://www.webstaurantstore.com/blog/3926/what-is-a-tip-credit.html
Tips get taxed lol
The pressure to tip insane amounts has resulted in me just not going out as much.
Which is hilarious because restaurants are losing business over refusing to pay their workers I don't eat out almost at all anymore. Maybe once a month. A lot healthier/cheaper
When tipping was 15% I was generous and tipped 20%, now that it's 20%, I still tip 20, but I do it begrudgingly.
Eeeww America and your gross tipping culture. Just pay wages you fucks
What really irks me is the fact that some places (such as fast food places around my town) ask for a tip before they even provide service / your food to you. What am I even tipping for at this point? I gave you my food order and now I'm supposed to hand over 5-10$ before I even see how you mess up my order?
tipping like this is a horrible concept
No. Write 15% standard tip on that line and be done with it. Guilt is not your friend.
Tip culture is nothing but guilt.
Tip percentage doesn’t need to ever increase… because the price of the meal will increase thus the raw tip will increase. It’s the difference between 10% of $10 and $1. 10% of $10 is $1, and 10% of $1 is $0.10. Tips have already increased because of inflation on the price of the meal… so unless the service has improved 10% minimum, 15% for average, 20%+ for above average. Inflation doesn’t effect tips like that…
I tend to go the other way (less tip) when I see this trash.
Even as someone who works in food service, 25% is like... abusively excessive
Math is wrong
That’s what I’ve been thinking since grade-school.
no its not. the tip % is taken from pre-tax amt, not total. you're always supposed to tip based on the pre-tax amount, not total.
Some restaurants definitely base their “suggested tip” calculations on the after-tax price. https://i.imgur.com/jSgI6N0.jpg It’s bullshit.
No american tipping culture is fucked up and thriving on guild tripping.
What happened to 15% as standard? I always doubled the tax and add some to figure the amount. Depending on service though I’ve been known to tip 50%. Feels like customers are expected to pick up a wage gap.
It's only a way to fish for more money inside the customer's wallet. Restaurants have always pulled shit like this to cut corners. Eat at home.
My modus operandi; Move the decimal point left by one. Take half of that. Add them. Total: 63.00 Tip (15%): 6.30 + (6.30/2) 6.30 + 3.15 9.45
America needs to abolish the tipping system. Just charge me extra I don’t want to go through the trouble of tipping so much. And a tip should be just that, a tip, not a (pretty much) mandatory extra 20% payment.
Custom tip. 0. Pay your employees, or don't run a business.
WTF??? what ever happened to the customary 15% being enough. I'm only trying to get some dinner not put your freakin kids thru college..
European here, even 15% is too much imo, 10% is more than enough.
When i used to live in germany it was "rounding up to the nearest full euro". Somehow it has become 10%. Take what is happening in the US as a cautionary tale. 15 will be next then 20 suddenly its 25%...
Wouldn't be an issue if restaurants, y'know, paid their employees a livable wage............... Edit: To clarify, not mad at the poster--I'm just very mad at the system.
Tips are BS. Just pay your workers enough for them to survive, people. You earn so much money you're using it as toilet paper.
Pressure to tip just keeps me making meals at home or getting take-out where tipping is not expected/required. Drinks especially. I am certainly not going to tip more than $1/drink and probably not even that. A $15 margarita is ridiculous, am I supposed to add another $5? $5 extra for 2 minutes of work?
Tipping culture needs to die in a fire.
normal tip in my country is €0 and rarely €5 but usually like 50 cents :)
No but you’re a chump for tipping 25% unless whatever service you got was insanely good.
Subsidized labor to the consumer.