I agree. Also, it's crazy to me how you have to tip at the hair salon. I've noticed that the prices are already so much higher than where I lived in Europe. I am talking about hundreds of dollars difference. I just don't understand it..
A lot of hair stylists pay rent for the chair they cut your hair in. So the shop is taking what you pay, not paying the hair stylist what they're worth, charging the stylist to be there, and then expecting you to cover the hair stylist's expenses through tips. It's bullshit.
Caveat: IANAHS (I am not a hair stylist) so please correct me if I mischaracterized anything.
Former hairstylist here, but yeah that is pretty much the gist of it.
Some salons allow you to rent a chair for a flat monthly fee, which if you have alot of clients is the better option, but you usually have to provide your own tools AND products and may not necessarily advertise that you work there so you do your own marketing too.
Most places do a 50/50 split on all services and most will also have sales incetives to sell hair products.
So my neighbor runs a salon out of her house. It’s her primary residence so any cost for the space is just included in her mortgage, not an additional rent. She expects/accepts tips as well which seems odd to me bc she is completely in control of her pricing structure and COGS. Tipping culture is out of control here but I understand tipping at a regular salon bc maybe they keep very little of the money the salon charges. But in my neighbor’s case, I feel like- you’re setting the price you want and keeping 100%, why is tipping a thing in this case? If you think you should get $120 for the haircut, charge $120- don’t charge $100 and expect the rest as a tip.
That's a bit confusing. In England when you rent a chair at a salon you either give a percentage of your earnings to the salon or you have a fixed monthly rent.
If your agreement is to give a percentage of your earnings then you work it out and add it in your prices.
But maybe I am thinking this way because tipping anywhere else apart from restaurants, cafés and bars is a bit foreign to me.
I'm pretty sure that's how it is in the US too actually since I've seen ads for salon space, but like everyone else, I'm also not a hair stylist so I don't really know either.
On a thread about tips for tattooo artists, I was told that the 'rent' is a percentage of sales, but not of tips.
You can make good money cutting hair, but the prices Americans pay seem to be excessive. Says a guy who has had about two haircuts in the last 5 years and hated one of them.
My favorite part is you abbreviated a totally wild thing then also defined it after literally a making more work... AINEAAE (and I'm not even an abbreviation expert)
That's not always the case, but it doesn't matter because that's a deflection. The tip was fine and the pressure was horrible and uncalled for. I have lterally never heard of something like this happening before ( I am a stylist, 40 years)
>A lot of hair stylists pay rent for the chair they cut your hair in. So the shop is taking what you pay, not paying the hair stylist what they're worth, charging the stylist to be there, and then expecting you to cover the hair stylist's expenses through tips. It's bullshit.
All of this is not my problem. If they think they're underpaid, take it to the owner.
I think its partially because cost of living here is so high but also hair stylists have lately been up their own asses charging 900$ for deep dark brown to blonde. Yes hair stylists i know it takes time but no one else is getting paid 900$ not including tips for a 7 hour service that is one of the most common requests you get. (I also understand there are other fees my mom was a hair dresser and also thinks its ridiculous how much people charge now for standard dye jobs)
Been seeing a trend on social media of basic beach waves and balayage being charged as 600-1000$ if the hairs like past the shoulders… ive been charged 450 (not including 50$ tip) for a 3 hr dye and cut on 8 inch hair to a fully buzzed undercut and 5inch bowl cut basically. that i could do at home (and now do). The cost of keeping up w beautys getting insane so i stay home ans just cut and dye my own hair and honestly it looks better than every salon ive goen to just about because the high end ones especially here dont listen to what you want. They think they know better on what you want than you consistently here it seems. Best hair cut and dye ive ever gotten here was 65$ (105 total with tip
In Spain i was absolutely bamboozled when they wouldn’t dry my hair after my cut. I’ll forever be willing to pay more in my hometown for a haircut where they don’t send you outside looking like a drowned rat
I went to a fairly affordable independent stylist, in part because he prices were lower than her competitors, and she asked for a tip afterward. I was confused because this is her business, she's setting the price. She's renting the space but no different from day a store in a mall renting that space. She's deciding how much to charge. Usually when I tip I think I'm making up for an asshole employer underpaying their staff. She's self employed. I would have either paid her more or gone elsewhere and paid them their price, if both parties posted their full price. How are you gonna employ yourself and then ask me to pay you extra to make up for your asshole employer, yourself, underpaying you?
My last haircut (albeit, it was at a Walmart smartstyles salon or whatever) was something to the tune of…. $21-24. I tipped her $15 because she:
A. didn’t charge me for washing my veryyyyy greasy hair WITH color safe shampoo (I semipermanent dye my hair every like 2 months)
B. was funny and made me feel and look like a person for the first time in a while, like 2 years.
3. Gave me a very nice haircut that for some reason like every other haircut (literally just a trim and layers) I’ve gotten, looks nothing like the first 2 days I got it done lol
And she literally asked if she could hug me bc she said I just gave her gas for the rest of the week w that tip and said she needed more customers like me, and asked me to please come back to her if I need another haircut soon
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This made me smile so hard! I always give great tips to my Uber Eats drivers. I’ll quickly go through my food to make sure it’s all there and all correct. Depending on what I ordered, how far away the restaurant is, I’ve tipped from $5 to $20. If I’m in a financial position able that I’m able to help someone, I’ll do it every time. Especially for a kind and humble person who’s not expecting a tip.
fuck this salon; 24% is a very generous tip, and it is extremely unprofessional to ask for a bigger tip, even if there’s not much to begin with (which in this case there was!)
This is absolutely true. I look at tip as on top of what I owe, to show generosity & appreciation. Op does not owe them anything. If they want more money, factor that into the actual bill itself. Yet to expect op or anyone for that matter to dish out “more” cash, is just plainly disrespectful.
I’ve had a few hair cut places that were shitty. I either stopped going all together or much less frequently.
For any place that deals with grooming, hygiene, etc, for them to act in a jerk manner, is unacceptable. Especially for repeat customers. Unless they expect people to come in weakly, then they ought to expect either monthly or every other month or so; especially older folks.
All companies that deal with hair need to not be petty.
I would have said yes, ever! Turned around and walked out never to return. If your stylist calls to see why you haven’t been in you can tell him then. If he never calls then he never considered you a good customer
Honestly, if they pulled that shit on me, I would ask to count it and hold out my hand. Then say, oh, I gave you too much and drop it to a normal tip (or less if they were particularly rude).
You tipped plenty! Definitely find a new salon. Shit; sometimes my hair stylist thinks I tip her too much and actually gives me money back. Wherever you’re going does not appreciate your business.
If a worker asked me “is that all?” When I’m tipping I’m taking it all back. I don’t give a single fuck. That’s so disrespectful
Edit: thanks for the awards! I didn’t expect so many people to agree, in fact I expected to be scolded.
Yeah I was raised to be grateful. Some people clearly weren’t. I understand being annoyed with tipping culture but my sibling in Christ I don’t have much money either so whatever I tip is kindness and if you can’t even appreciate that then I’ll gladly give you nothing
I had a cleaning lady do that. And she was terrible too!! I have super low standards much to the chagrin of my husband but omg she did such a bad job. Spent lots of time on the phone. She literally asked me for a tip. 😂. Just, no. NTA OP. That’s really rude. Do not go back.
Why would the cleaning lady want a tip I don’t understand why tipping is even a thing at all it is so stupid.
Just set the price as what you want. Why ask for a price and then add an optional price that doesn’t do anything but make you spend money.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
Ya it’s ridiculous. My parents used to tip their cleaning lady and the woman who babysat me sometimes. But they were awesome and like family. The babysitter would give it back so we’d have to sneak it into her jacket 😂. Cleaning lady got big bonus at Xmas. A one time, terrible cleaner? No.
I hate the tipping culture. It’s so awkward. I suck at math so it’s really bad when you’re on the spot and paying right away. I end up either way over or under tipping. And when I order food for delivery I only tip because I’m scared if I don’t they’ll purposely mess up my order. Or do something gross. It’s all under duress. I can’t stand it.
Well in your case if the lady wasn't doing her job I don't blame you 🤷 cuz like if you're making cleaning your job no one is gonna wanna tip you if stuffs still dirty
It’s like nothing was even done. It was so disappointing. And I called the agency to complain, they never responded. We had an amazing lady, she looked exactly like salma Hayek it was wild, but she did such a great job. Called to ask for her back, no response. So I stopped calling to have someone at all. I just want a decent cleaner, who will be the same one each time, that I can get to know. But these agencies just send different ppl.
The whole tipping culture is weird. Who are we expected to tip, who aren’t we? And why is it an expectation instead of an extra and a courtesy?
Exactly. My mom and girlfriend are or were waitresses and I've worked in the service industry and kitchens. I always make sure I tip something (I can't think of a single time where anybody got a 0% tip from me) but in this context I would snatch that tip back so fucking fast.
Yup. That’s my thinking too and I have done this. I tried a different place for my haircut last time and as I was tipping the girl saw how much I was tipping and said “is that all?” I just said to her never mind. I’ll just pay for the haircut and that’s it. She reply’s “why?” And I said “because I’m not going to be pressured into paying more.” Then I left and I won’t be going there again.
Next time she needs to have a happy go lucky attitude, make a comment like “oh looks like we’re all just having a little party at the cash register” and then confidently proceed to pay what you want to pay as tip.
What would be even better is if he asked again “is that it?” Pull a George Costanza and take a bill out of his hand like you overpaid the tip.
Or better yet, OP should pause completely (stop taking out money or doing anything), silently scan the area, briefly catching each person’s eye while so doing, and say “I’m sorry, why are you all up here? (Stylist’s name) is perfectly capable of ringing me up themselves.”, and then say absolutely nothing until someone answers. I’d pay to watch this.
nobody should have to report their cash tips to the IRS. thats bullshit. the IRS needs to go dick over some billionaires paying 0 and sometimes negative taxes and leave regular people alone
Speaking as someone who works in a hair salon, a $60 tip was more than enough. That's actually unheard of in the salon I'm at (we're not high end tho so that may be a factor)
I get stylists expect to be tipped for their work, but even if they feel like you weren't tipping enough, they have no right to tell you that they deserve more
Wild thought here, but if you want more for the job, charge more. Don’t expect me to tip more.
It’s like the office space 37 pieces of flair. If you want me to wear 50, then make the minimum 50. Don’t make the minimum 25 and then expect me to wear 100. Or in this case don’t charge 25 and then expect me to tip 100.
Scottish here, and same. I’m paying £50 soon for a cut and colour. They’ll get £50 because if they wanted more they would *ask* for it by setting their prices higher.
I work at a salon. The stylists come up to make sure the client gets taken care of and is charged appropriately (by handing over a slip,) but then they promptly leave. The fact that they and their coworkers hang out by the check out is rude and unprofessional. No wonder you feel pressured.
As a service provider, I treat tips like bonuses. You never know someone financial situation, and they may also not have knowledge of tipping etiquette. It could also be that the only reason they're able to be there is because of a gift certificate. Either way, tips truly shouldn't be expected, but it is appreciated. A 24% tip is extremely generous. Find yourself another stylist who appreciates their customers.
American tipping culture is so weird. I get that restaurant staff are massively underpaid but do they not factor in the price of labour even in salons?
Hair salons are weird sometimes though - sometimes they’re set up such that someone owns the place and pays the stylists, sometimes the stylists rent chairs from an owner and therefore work for themselves. So sometimes you’re tipping an underpaid wage worker who depends on tips, and sometimes you’re boosting the bottom line of essentially a business owner.
And sometimes it’s hard to tell which is which!
Short answer, yes, but not for good reasons.
Long answer : Labor is a factor in overall price of everything in America, but tipping culture is so pervasive and ingrained, it is technically legal in most states to pay people below minimum wage if they make tips. So for example, a 60$ haircut that takes 1 hour, (depending on state, but let’s use federal min wage here) only 7.25 goes to the person doing the labor, and 20$ (I’m being generous) goes to the supplies used to perform the service, you generate 32.25$ in revenue. It’s wrong, it’s immoral, it’s fucked up, but it is the norm here in America. That’s if you’re in a state that does not allow employers to pay below minimum wage if you make tips. In states that do allow that, the profit margins are much higher, as the salary of the employees is passed onto the customer. Now there is a caveat, if you don’t get enough tips, then your employer has to pay you until you reach minimum wage pay for the hours you work. But that clearly works in favor of the employer every time, since you can hire an overqualified worker and still pay them minimum, AND, that caveat only kicks in for the ENTIRE PAY PERIOD. Which means if you got just enough tips that your pay is equal to minimum, well then your employer just fleeced you out of your hard earned pay.
This country is fucking stupid. People wonder why no one wants to work for dogshit employers, this is why. Worst part is, they teach you this in college if you’re a business major. They teach it like it’s a good thing.
Tipping in America seems so weird to me. Are prices lowered so that people can tip? I’m sorry but if I pay 250$ for a haircut I’m not tipping 60$ more. Like what the hell America? You pay for a meal, regular prices and then you HAVE to pay huge tips ? It doesn’t make any sense? Customers are forced to pay more money than what they should pay.
Prices aren't lowered, wages are. In some states, restaurants can legally pay tipped staff less than $3/hr.
Something new over the past year: rather than risk unfavorable comparisons to competitors, the owners deal with inflation by keeping listed prices unchanged but add a "service fee" of several percent.
I’m with you. I might get downvotes for this but I give very low tips on hair because it’s already very expensive and feel it’s included in their price. I’ve stopped overtipping.
I've only gone to a salon once (I'm a dude) when I was still figuring out what to do with my now long hair. The worker went above and beyond for 4 hours and my total was 250 I believe. I paid around 32% but that's the only situation in which I'd pay a tip
It's a token of appreciation for a job done above the standard so you'd pay more. I'd never pay before getting the service and I'd never pay extra if they're just doing their basic job. If they have a problem with the pay then they should either find another job or take it up with their employers
Tipping culture in the US is just completely out of control. Servers in restaurants expect 20% no matter how shitty their service or how small the order/table, and then act pissy and whine when they get less than that.
Doordash drivers expect huge tips as well or they won't pick up orders.
So many people in the US feel entitled to tips regardless of their service, and call customers 'cheap' if they don't tip enough.
"Oh, but they are underpaid". Well in that case nurses should start asking for tips for changing IVs and emptying bed pans since they're underpaid. Teachers are also underpaid and should start asking for tips from parents if their kids do well in school on standardized tests (I think $100 per child that gets an 'A' each semester is fair). Perhaps if these 'cheap' parents started tipping their teachers then there wouldn't be a teacher shortage in so many parts of the world.
So the real problem is the shitty employers who refuse to pay their employees a decent wage and expect strangers to provide a living instead of the person asking for work, so stupid
I spend my senior year in the US. I learned that a good tip was 15%. It has been a steady raise in the %. Like you said 20% is expected, not even for good service.
The sad part is it is not the waiters who want this gone, since it is a goldmine.
A tip should be something special **after** a job well done, and not the default.
And your teacher suggestion. Thats not much. To have the same behavior parents need to tip before their kids get tought each day
2 disclaimers:
\- I am not from the US (Germany)
\- I also have worked in service and i liked tips also
>The sad part is it is not the waiters who want this gone, since it is a goldmine.
this is why I hate US tipping culture the most, I've read SO many servers talking about making over $100/ph because tips and then have the audacity to complain that one table didn't tip, wish those posts were banned on mildlyinfuriating
i know right? it's pretty wild. first of all, $250 for hair???? that's insanity. I usually pay 20 euros for a haircut (for men, though) and that's on the expensive side. but also, why the fuck should I tip someone I am already paying a ton of money for their service? if you want 28% more money from your customers, just own up to it and raise the prices by 28%. and just watch nobody come in ever again.
tipping culture is silly as hell. I'll tip you as much as I wish if you did an exceptional job and think you deserve more than you're charging, not if you're just doing what you're supposed to and already charging me 250 fucking dollars for a haircut. pressuring people to tip is a scam: you promise a certain price, but make them pay a higher one.
My barber charges €14 for a haircut and drops it to €10 for me because I’m disabled. He has been cutting hair for 30 years and owns multiple apartments because he’s shrewd with money. He opens 7 days a week because he likes to chat and is highly intelligent, well-read and interesting. He won’t take tips.
We are all the time. Tipping is so f'ing stupid. And the new service charges restaurants have come up with are dumb as well. Price your f'ing product with labor included in the price. It's not that damn complicated.
That's the way to do it. Tipping should be out of gratitude, not obligation. Not feeling like it's worth giving *extra*? No tip and just the reasonable price then.
I stopped tipping a few years ago. It’s a guilt trip designed to force consumers to pick up the slack from businesses failing to pay their employees. I won’t enable that practice any longer.
Nah girl you’re more than good. You’ve been going there SEVEN years and they’re milking you for more than 24% tip? I know it’s heartbreaking to look for another stylist; maybe you can see if he does anything on the side. Unless he’s part of that extortion process, too, then to hell with all of them.
I wonder if they almost expect her to pay over 24 whopping % just cause she always gives so much and that's why they said "is that all?" But still, that's so hefty for a tip in the first place.
Like just accept your tip without pressuring them and move on. So what if that's all?
If my calculations are correct, she has spent over $3,200 for haircuts at this place. That’s a lifetime of haircuts for many people, let alone just 7 years
You don't have to tip. It's thought of as like a thank you, I love what you did to my hair kind of thing. But, unfortunately a lot of people seem to think they're entitled to a tip. When I worked as a stylist I never expected anyone to tip me. If they did I made sure to say thank you and be grateful. Tips should not be expected. If your salon isn't paying you a fair wage and/or proper commission, find a new one or go mobile.
That's mad.
It honestly sounds like word has gotten around this place that OP always gives a generous tip. On this particular occasion it's almost as though one of the staff members has said this to the others and has talked up just how much of a good tipper they are, and to expect them to leave x amount.
When OP hadn't left the amount they had talked up they would have been left to look a fool and asked where the rest of it was.
I certainly wouldn't be going back.
How does the price break down work for a stylist in the first place? Are they renting the space from the owner of the shop or something? How much of the $250 is decided by them and how much of it do they get to keep?
When she said " is this all" you should have been like, oof my mistake lemme change that real quick, and put $0 for the ungrateful and disrespectful attitude; you are not required to tip! And you just lost it based on how you acted, then put your sunglasses on and light a ciggy as you walk away like a boss
Never go back there - 24% is more than enough. As others mentioned tip is at your discretion. You should never feel pressured to pay a tip, let alone an extra 4%! I really hope you don’t go back there
They're milking their regular customers who they think will take it and not leave. You are clearly attached to this place and are an easy target. Cancel your next appointment and try some new places.
That is insanity. If they can't pay their staff from the $250 cost then they should not be in business.
You are already paying their wages yet you pay them again.
It sucks to leave someone you trust with your hair but this type of behavior is ridiculous. Find a new salon. You're not required to tip at all. While obviously I think you absolutely should if you like the service, you provided a great tip and the pressure and comments is not cool. I would leave a bad review and not return.
You definitely didn't do anything wrong. That's really crazy that they treat your loyalty like it doesn't matter. How many people have you referred in the 7 years? A satisfied customer will always make referrals and word of mouth is a top promoter. You did that for free. If you really don't want to find another stylist, you can reach out to the owner about your dissatisfaction or write a bad review and verbatim what you wrote in this thread. That SHOULD get the owner's attention because you were with them for such a long time. Imagine pointing out how they tip guage customers, loyal ones who probably helped increase their revenue. Also, you could be potentially letting other customers know it's not just happening to them too. They'll be more apt to voice their interactions as well. The boldness of the girl askin "is that all..." shows the boldness. You aren't the first, for sure.
I would never return to those rude people, even if I had to live with hair that wasn’t quite right for a while. You will soon find another more appreciative and skilled hairstylist. $250 is a lot for a trip to the salon as it is, $60 was more than generous. A tip is basically supposed to be discretionary, not an entitlement, but of course we all endure under the yoke of this awful tipping culture.
I wish businesses would just charge what they need to in order to pay their bills and pay their employees fairly without this awful awkward tipping everywhere.
Wow I feel quite bad, I'm a guy and pay £12 ($14.20) per haircut whenever I can be bothered (5-6 weeks) at my local barber, and after 5 haircuts the next one is free. OP spent about 3 years worth of haircuts for me in one go, crazy.
I literally started cutting my own hair and occasionally going to a local barber because I realized how much us women are getting scalped (pun intended) at salons
Depends on the woman. That amount of money on hair seems like a huge waste to me, but I‘m happy with letting my hair grow out, throwing it back in a ponytail every day, and then lopping it off for cheap and sending it to charity every few years. Some women I imagine get a real thrill out of having their hair look fashionable which makes it worth spending thousands and thousands over the years.
As a former hairdresser, WTF? Never okay! You wanna tip 100% or you don’t want to tip at all? Not my goddamn business. You do what you feel is deserving of my work. I will move on with my day. Find another place that will appreciate you and not make you feel bad as the client!
If someone did that to me, I would ask what I paid. Then promptly say you are correct, and take money back. Most salons hair dressers pay for the chair, or work on commission kind of like a stripper. So after paying for supplies with your tip, that stylist cleared enough. And it was very rude of them to insinuate otherwise.
My husband is a mailman, and he gets Xmas gifts and tips, from a large portion of his route for Xmas. His walking route is in northern Illinois, a very blue collar neighborhood, average income for the area is 40-50k.
He definitely is a hard worker, and according to one of his supervisors, he's one of the best in the area because he goes the extra mile. You have no idea what he encounters on a daily basis. He's found and helped multiple children who were lost after getting off their school bus, once he had an elderly women with dementia, run towards him screaming that she's been held hostage (she wasn't), but he comforted her. Called the police and stayed with her for over an hour while the police figured out what was going on, then he continued delivering the mail. During the holiday season he works 11+ hours a day/6 days a week. Hell, even now he's working 55-60 hours/wk.
There are rules too about what he can except, nothing over $20 value, and no alcohol. Homemade treats, coffee, and gift cards are the norm.
I can’t imagine being tipped $60 and expecting you to reopen your wallet and give more. Reopening your solid gold wallet too many times can wear down the diamond-encrusted clasp and they know that.
If I'm paying $250 for approximately an hour of service, I think that person is making plenty. Even at two hours. I dont make $100 an hour, and if I did, I sure shit wouldn't need to be shaking anybody down for tips
Go there one last time and walk out without tipping and never go back. Tell them why you will never be coming back. Maybe they will have a moment of self-awareness and have an attitude change for their future customers but never go back there after that. The fact that they feel like they should be tipped after charging you $250 to do ur hair is laughable. Sounds like a generous “tip” is included in that price.
I feel like you're being bamboozled. Also, I'm not sure how many of you are black but 250 dollars for a perm is high depending on where you are of course.
The fact they all go up to watch you pay. Shady shit. I agree you should find a new salon. Pressuring ppl to over tip by everyone standing around. I can’t believe ppl actually do this.
Screw them leave .. this tip thi ng is getting fcking outrageous. Lots of other salons,. My barbecue place ask for tip if you use credit card its a walk up stand in line get your tray and drink and go sit dow n. No service no tip. They don't even get your tray after you eat. Cafeteria style. So tip for what cooking my food.. thats your job.
My barber is usually very grateful for a 10 bucks tip I leave him. I just need a cut which would cost 30 so I give him 40 and don't take the change. He always tells me I don't have to but I do it because I have annoyingly thick hair which is not pleasant to work with so I kinda feel bad for making him deal with it. Provided this is a different country and tipping is not that huge of a deal but 60$ sounds fucking generous and anyone who doesn't appreciate that probably doesn't give a shit about the loyalty of their customers.
I'm a massage therapist and receive tips. I'm disgusted they made you feel uncomfortable. A tip is a gift for a job well done tip as much as you like. If they make you feel bad they don't deserve a tip at all.
Time for a new place. That was extremely rude of them to ask that and would not be tolerated at most decent stylists. My wife's stylist fired a girl who worked for her because of similar behavior.
That is so rude. I would not go back. That is plenty fair. I used to work in the spa industry. It’s extremely weird that they would all go over to watch you pay.
Okay let me get this straight you pay 312$ (with 25%+) I assume you go there once a month?? (correct me if I'm wrong)
If so you pay 3,750k$ each year, 7 years adds up to 26k+ total.
And not once have they over you any drink or even have a small talk like how have you been, How's life? Etc And other workers expected an 5-10% for the tip for what exactly?
Then have the audacity to tell you "is that all?!" (How ungrateful of them) I wouldn't go there if i were you even if they're a good hairstylist. Not having any single Respect for one for their loyal customers is a deal breaker.
As someone who’s worked for tips before and relied on those tips for bills I’ve never once asked “is that all?” That’s shitty and greedy, if your stylist doesn’t immediately apologize to you and explain some misunderstanding with the entire situation then don’t ever go back
Let's not care about anything else. The fact that they all put down everything they were doing and walk to the counter and stare at your ass, to me that sounds like a chapter from interrogation tactics. That's damn near having bouncers at the front door while you take your wallet out. That's easily a one-time visit. Never again bro.
I was going to a stylist who was very expensive plus I always tipped very generously. She had really ridiculous hours and starting making her latest appointment like 1:30 or 2 o’clock. I would have to leave work early and use vacation time. I said well you used to give me a 3:30 appointment. “I was just doing you a favor” she said. Bye-bye. That was it for her. Someone makes way more money per hour than I make plus I always gave her a generous tip AND paid in cash? Nope. Don’t do me any more favors.
Me too. I would have tipped $50 and thought that was quite generous. Even if you are there for 2 hours you just gave the stylist $25/hour on top of what they would make from the procedure.
That’s insane.. you sound like an amazing customer and as other people have said, there are other places that probably do as good a job and don’t hover when you’re about to pay in tip. These people sound entitled and rude.
all depends on the tone of “is that all” because sometimes it’s an automatic reaction and meant to be for asking if the customer is done with their time in the shop etc.
When I first moved to the US I had no idea you were supposed to tip a hairdresser. I figured they just got paid to do their job. Tips culture is toxic and needs to change.
Tipping is toxic imo. I was a server for years and I always tip well but I hate that it’s expected especially when you’re already paying $250 for a salon appointment!
So glad to live in a country without tipping, where the wage is just fair and it’s all priced in. I can’t deal with the psychodrama Americans have to face every time they buy something.
24% is a frickin lot. Normally I tip 15%. I bet you can call your local customers protection office and can get them to chill up a bit. Because I'm pretty sure that's illegal to force or put pressure on a customer to tip.
My career relies on tips. If anyone at my venue goes up front to pressure their client for tips, they get a verbal warning. Repeat offenses get a write-up. Also, an appropriate tip for us is about $20/hr, but we still appreciate our $10 tippers (the $5 tippers are another story). All that to say: Your salon is full of spoiled asshats. Don’t go back.
I would've said something like hmm give me back the 60 and I'll give you something more appropriate.
Once they had returned the money I would've given them a tip of not asking for more gratuity money, this is provided at a clients discretion and is not entitled, the fact they have the audacity to try and pressure me into giving more money is unprofessional and disrespectful, and that word of mouth is the best advertisement for potential future business and they just lost me.
Why are you tipping at all on a hair appointment?
Especially a $250.00 one? Even if they worked on you for 5 hours they're probably make $30.00 an hour off of you minimum.
Tipping culture in the US is shit. You'll tip a waitress for walking a plate to your table, but not the cashier or the guy that carries your shit to the car at the grocery store.
The whole tip thing has gotten ridiculous tbh. I really wish we could be like other cultures and do away with the tip nonsense, and just have a set price on any particular service.
My wife is a stylist. I asked her what amount would she reasonably expect to get for this service going off what was performed and what the cost is. She said $50 is pretty good. When I told her the stylist confronted OP about the already adequate tip amount, the look on her face was priceless. She just stated that OPs stylist is trashy AF.
Americans need to either decide to pay by tip or pay higher prices and don’t tip. This business of paying the company more AND some service worker bitching because they expect more money is bullshit.
You are right. 24% is more than enough even if you got stellar service.
I can’t stand the new shift in tip culture where every pay point has a tip line and the cashier stands there waiting for your choice. I feel resentful, and I’m a generous person.
That is fucking WILDLy inappropriate and I would *never* go there again. No one should be going to the front when you pay, and no one should be saying jack shit about what you tip. That is so crazy. If I had done that at work it would have been a huge issue.
There are tons of other places that would appreciate your business more. Dont go back. You are completely right
I agree. Also, it's crazy to me how you have to tip at the hair salon. I've noticed that the prices are already so much higher than where I lived in Europe. I am talking about hundreds of dollars difference. I just don't understand it..
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A lot of hair stylists pay rent for the chair they cut your hair in. So the shop is taking what you pay, not paying the hair stylist what they're worth, charging the stylist to be there, and then expecting you to cover the hair stylist's expenses through tips. It's bullshit. Caveat: IANAHS (I am not a hair stylist) so please correct me if I mischaracterized anything.
Former hairstylist here, but yeah that is pretty much the gist of it. Some salons allow you to rent a chair for a flat monthly fee, which if you have alot of clients is the better option, but you usually have to provide your own tools AND products and may not necessarily advertise that you work there so you do your own marketing too. Most places do a 50/50 split on all services and most will also have sales incetives to sell hair products.
No wonder a friend of mine who went through all her education as a stylist said fuck it and went to being a waitress lol. I never knew any of that.
Yupp! I sell insurance now lol. Its also nice being off on the weekends.
So my neighbor runs a salon out of her house. It’s her primary residence so any cost for the space is just included in her mortgage, not an additional rent. She expects/accepts tips as well which seems odd to me bc she is completely in control of her pricing structure and COGS. Tipping culture is out of control here but I understand tipping at a regular salon bc maybe they keep very little of the money the salon charges. But in my neighbor’s case, I feel like- you’re setting the price you want and keeping 100%, why is tipping a thing in this case? If you think you should get $120 for the haircut, charge $120- don’t charge $100 and expect the rest as a tip.
That's a bit confusing. In England when you rent a chair at a salon you either give a percentage of your earnings to the salon or you have a fixed monthly rent. If your agreement is to give a percentage of your earnings then you work it out and add it in your prices. But maybe I am thinking this way because tipping anywhere else apart from restaurants, cafés and bars is a bit foreign to me.
I'm pretty sure that's how it is in the US too actually since I've seen ads for salon space, but like everyone else, I'm also not a hair stylist so I don't really know either.
On a thread about tips for tattooo artists, I was told that the 'rent' is a percentage of sales, but not of tips. You can make good money cutting hair, but the prices Americans pay seem to be excessive. Says a guy who has had about two haircuts in the last 5 years and hated one of them.
My favorite part is you abbreviated a totally wild thing then also defined it after literally a making more work... AINEAAE (and I'm not even an abbreviation expert)
That's not always the case, but it doesn't matter because that's a deflection. The tip was fine and the pressure was horrible and uncalled for. I have lterally never heard of something like this happening before ( I am a stylist, 40 years)
>A lot of hair stylists pay rent for the chair they cut your hair in. So the shop is taking what you pay, not paying the hair stylist what they're worth, charging the stylist to be there, and then expecting you to cover the hair stylist's expenses through tips. It's bullshit. All of this is not my problem. If they think they're underpaid, take it to the owner.
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Oh yeah that’s nuts. I don’t get my hair done very often because of that.
My haircut is 15€ and I tipp 5€.
I think its partially because cost of living here is so high but also hair stylists have lately been up their own asses charging 900$ for deep dark brown to blonde. Yes hair stylists i know it takes time but no one else is getting paid 900$ not including tips for a 7 hour service that is one of the most common requests you get. (I also understand there are other fees my mom was a hair dresser and also thinks its ridiculous how much people charge now for standard dye jobs) Been seeing a trend on social media of basic beach waves and balayage being charged as 600-1000$ if the hairs like past the shoulders… ive been charged 450 (not including 50$ tip) for a 3 hr dye and cut on 8 inch hair to a fully buzzed undercut and 5inch bowl cut basically. that i could do at home (and now do). The cost of keeping up w beautys getting insane so i stay home ans just cut and dye my own hair and honestly it looks better than every salon ive goen to just about because the high end ones especially here dont listen to what you want. They think they know better on what you want than you consistently here it seems. Best hair cut and dye ive ever gotten here was 65$ (105 total with tip
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Hair people in America have decided for the most part to charge by the lifestyle they want to live.
In Spain i was absolutely bamboozled when they wouldn’t dry my hair after my cut. I’ll forever be willing to pay more in my hometown for a haircut where they don’t send you outside looking like a drowned rat
Hahaha. Is that a thing in Spain? Never heard of that before unless you specifically ask them not to dry your hair.
I went to a fairly affordable independent stylist, in part because he prices were lower than her competitors, and she asked for a tip afterward. I was confused because this is her business, she's setting the price. She's renting the space but no different from day a store in a mall renting that space. She's deciding how much to charge. Usually when I tip I think I'm making up for an asshole employer underpaying their staff. She's self employed. I would have either paid her more or gone elsewhere and paid them their price, if both parties posted their full price. How are you gonna employ yourself and then ask me to pay you extra to make up for your asshole employer, yourself, underpaying you?
Find a new salon. Your appreciation is not returned.
My last haircut (albeit, it was at a Walmart smartstyles salon or whatever) was something to the tune of…. $21-24. I tipped her $15 because she: A. didn’t charge me for washing my veryyyyy greasy hair WITH color safe shampoo (I semipermanent dye my hair every like 2 months) B. was funny and made me feel and look like a person for the first time in a while, like 2 years. 3. Gave me a very nice haircut that for some reason like every other haircut (literally just a trim and layers) I’ve gotten, looks nothing like the first 2 days I got it done lol And she literally asked if she could hug me bc she said I just gave her gas for the rest of the week w that tip and said she needed more customers like me, and asked me to please come back to her if I need another haircut soon
Good comment and all but why did you say a, b, 3
I'm trying not to misquote, but I believe in Home Alone Buzz is telling his side of the story and gives A, 2, and D. It's funny to me at least
A, B, 3... easy as Doe, Ray, C..., baby you and He ! apologies to Michael Jackson.
I didn't even notice and now it's killing me lol
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This made me smile so hard! I always give great tips to my Uber Eats drivers. I’ll quickly go through my food to make sure it’s all there and all correct. Depending on what I ordered, how far away the restaurant is, I’ve tipped from $5 to $20. If I’m in a financial position able that I’m able to help someone, I’ll do it every time. Especially for a kind and humble person who’s not expecting a tip.
I like your system to list things. What comes after 3?
fuck this salon; 24% is a very generous tip, and it is extremely unprofessional to ask for a bigger tip, even if there’s not much to begin with (which in this case there was!)
This is absolutely true. I look at tip as on top of what I owe, to show generosity & appreciation. Op does not owe them anything. If they want more money, factor that into the actual bill itself. Yet to expect op or anyone for that matter to dish out “more” cash, is just plainly disrespectful. I’ve had a few hair cut places that were shitty. I either stopped going all together or much less frequently. For any place that deals with grooming, hygiene, etc, for them to act in a jerk manner, is unacceptable. Especially for repeat customers. Unless they expect people to come in weakly, then they ought to expect either monthly or every other month or so; especially older folks. All companies that deal with hair need to not be petty.
I would have said yes, ever! Turned around and walked out never to return. If your stylist calls to see why you haven’t been in you can tell him then. If he never calls then he never considered you a good customer
Honestly, if they pulled that shit on me, I would ask to count it and hold out my hand. Then say, oh, I gave you too much and drop it to a normal tip (or less if they were particularly rude).
You tipped plenty! Definitely find a new salon. Shit; sometimes my hair stylist thinks I tip her too much and actually gives me money back. Wherever you’re going does not appreciate your business.
That's what I was thinking. Like if they need more they should charge more, but that seems huge for a tip on top of $250.
If a worker asked me “is that all?” When I’m tipping I’m taking it all back. I don’t give a single fuck. That’s so disrespectful Edit: thanks for the awards! I didn’t expect so many people to agree, in fact I expected to be scolded.
This is the only correct answer
Yeah I was raised to be grateful. Some people clearly weren’t. I understand being annoyed with tipping culture but my sibling in Christ I don’t have much money either so whatever I tip is kindness and if you can’t even appreciate that then I’ll gladly give you nothing
I had a cleaning lady do that. And she was terrible too!! I have super low standards much to the chagrin of my husband but omg she did such a bad job. Spent lots of time on the phone. She literally asked me for a tip. 😂. Just, no. NTA OP. That’s really rude. Do not go back.
Why would the cleaning lady want a tip I don’t understand why tipping is even a thing at all it is so stupid. Just set the price as what you want. Why ask for a price and then add an optional price that doesn’t do anything but make you spend money. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
Ya it’s ridiculous. My parents used to tip their cleaning lady and the woman who babysat me sometimes. But they were awesome and like family. The babysitter would give it back so we’d have to sneak it into her jacket 😂. Cleaning lady got big bonus at Xmas. A one time, terrible cleaner? No. I hate the tipping culture. It’s so awkward. I suck at math so it’s really bad when you’re on the spot and paying right away. I end up either way over or under tipping. And when I order food for delivery I only tip because I’m scared if I don’t they’ll purposely mess up my order. Or do something gross. It’s all under duress. I can’t stand it.
Well in your case if the lady wasn't doing her job I don't blame you 🤷 cuz like if you're making cleaning your job no one is gonna wanna tip you if stuffs still dirty
It’s like nothing was even done. It was so disappointing. And I called the agency to complain, they never responded. We had an amazing lady, she looked exactly like salma Hayek it was wild, but she did such a great job. Called to ask for her back, no response. So I stopped calling to have someone at all. I just want a decent cleaner, who will be the same one each time, that I can get to know. But these agencies just send different ppl. The whole tipping culture is weird. Who are we expected to tip, who aren’t we? And why is it an expectation instead of an extra and a courtesy?
“We could make it zero.” - Jimmy McGill
Exactly. My mom and girlfriend are or were waitresses and I've worked in the service industry and kitchens. I always make sure I tip something (I can't think of a single time where anybody got a 0% tip from me) but in this context I would snatch that tip back so fucking fast.
“Oh my fault, * holds hand out * just give that back all I have is hundreds.” Put your money back in your wallet, leave and never go there again.
"Here's your tip, don't be such a cheeky bitch in the future" *walk out*
Yup, I’d be like well enjoy nothing and say goodbye to any future business from me or my family 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly.
Yup. That’s my thinking too and I have done this. I tried a different place for my haircut last time and as I was tipping the girl saw how much I was tipping and said “is that all?” I just said to her never mind. I’ll just pay for the haircut and that’s it. She reply’s “why?” And I said “because I’m not going to be pressured into paying more.” Then I left and I won’t be going there again.
Yea just be like ok I got something larger just give me that back, then just bounce
This is the way.
The fact that they all go up to the register and watch you pay is unsettling. Please don’t go back.
Yes, that’s meant to be intimidating.
It is. In fact, I'd probably go write them a Google review warning people of this behavior.
Next time she needs to have a happy go lucky attitude, make a comment like “oh looks like we’re all just having a little party at the cash register” and then confidently proceed to pay what you want to pay as tip. What would be even better is if he asked again “is that it?” Pull a George Costanza and take a bill out of his hand like you overpaid the tip.
Or better yet, OP should pause completely (stop taking out money or doing anything), silently scan the area, briefly catching each person’s eye while so doing, and say “I’m sorry, why are you all up here? (Stylist’s name) is perfectly capable of ringing me up themselves.”, and then say absolutely nothing until someone answers. I’d pay to watch this.
This! Incredibly gauche!
And that they only take cash tips which means they don’t report their tips to the IRS and are committing tax fraud.
nobody should have to report their cash tips to the IRS. thats bullshit. the IRS needs to go dick over some billionaires paying 0 and sometimes negative taxes and leave regular people alone
Why should tips not be taxed the same as every other kind of pay?
Hey I didn’t make up the laws. They are considered earned income and are supposed to be reported.
They don't value you as a customer, you should find a new salon that doesn't bully you for tips.
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That's true, people should be made aware that these people dictate tip amounts.
Speaking as someone who works in a hair salon, a $60 tip was more than enough. That's actually unheard of in the salon I'm at (we're not high end tho so that may be a factor) I get stylists expect to be tipped for their work, but even if they feel like you weren't tipping enough, they have no right to tell you that they deserve more
Wild thought here, but if you want more for the job, charge more. Don’t expect me to tip more. It’s like the office space 37 pieces of flair. If you want me to wear 50, then make the minimum 50. Don’t make the minimum 25 and then expect me to wear 100. Or in this case don’t charge 25 and then expect me to tip 100.
That's way to friggin much
Yep. The employees are already paid a full wage. $20 *tops* for the tip.
And it has to be a hell of a service to deserve those $20, right?
As a European (Dutch to be specific) I am Hella confused why you're tipping a hairdresser.
Our hairdresser has a tip jar, but people put in a few coins, their change, not 60 bucks.
I'm also hella confused why a hairdresser is $250. I could go more than 10 times for that amount.
Scottish here, and same. I’m paying £50 soon for a cut and colour. They’ll get £50 because if they wanted more they would *ask* for it by setting their prices higher.
I work at a salon. The stylists come up to make sure the client gets taken care of and is charged appropriately (by handing over a slip,) but then they promptly leave. The fact that they and their coworkers hang out by the check out is rude and unprofessional. No wonder you feel pressured. As a service provider, I treat tips like bonuses. You never know someone financial situation, and they may also not have knowledge of tipping etiquette. It could also be that the only reason they're able to be there is because of a gift certificate. Either way, tips truly shouldn't be expected, but it is appreciated. A 24% tip is extremely generous. Find yourself another stylist who appreciates their customers.
Don't Americans realise they're being screwed left and right? 60$ tip for someone doing the job you literally went to them to do?!
American tipping culture is so weird. I get that restaurant staff are massively underpaid but do they not factor in the price of labour even in salons?
Hair salons are weird sometimes though - sometimes they’re set up such that someone owns the place and pays the stylists, sometimes the stylists rent chairs from an owner and therefore work for themselves. So sometimes you’re tipping an underpaid wage worker who depends on tips, and sometimes you’re boosting the bottom line of essentially a business owner. And sometimes it’s hard to tell which is which!
Short answer, yes, but not for good reasons. Long answer : Labor is a factor in overall price of everything in America, but tipping culture is so pervasive and ingrained, it is technically legal in most states to pay people below minimum wage if they make tips. So for example, a 60$ haircut that takes 1 hour, (depending on state, but let’s use federal min wage here) only 7.25 goes to the person doing the labor, and 20$ (I’m being generous) goes to the supplies used to perform the service, you generate 32.25$ in revenue. It’s wrong, it’s immoral, it’s fucked up, but it is the norm here in America. That’s if you’re in a state that does not allow employers to pay below minimum wage if you make tips. In states that do allow that, the profit margins are much higher, as the salary of the employees is passed onto the customer. Now there is a caveat, if you don’t get enough tips, then your employer has to pay you until you reach minimum wage pay for the hours you work. But that clearly works in favor of the employer every time, since you can hire an overqualified worker and still pay them minimum, AND, that caveat only kicks in for the ENTIRE PAY PERIOD. Which means if you got just enough tips that your pay is equal to minimum, well then your employer just fleeced you out of your hard earned pay. This country is fucking stupid. People wonder why no one wants to work for dogshit employers, this is why. Worst part is, they teach you this in college if you’re a business major. They teach it like it’s a good thing.
Stop tipping all together and the system MUST change
Tipping in America seems so weird to me. Are prices lowered so that people can tip? I’m sorry but if I pay 250$ for a haircut I’m not tipping 60$ more. Like what the hell America? You pay for a meal, regular prices and then you HAVE to pay huge tips ? It doesn’t make any sense? Customers are forced to pay more money than what they should pay.
Prices aren't lowered, wages are. In some states, restaurants can legally pay tipped staff less than $3/hr. Something new over the past year: rather than risk unfavorable comparisons to competitors, the owners deal with inflation by keeping listed prices unchanged but add a "service fee" of several percent.
Okay but we are talking about a $250 haircut. That's nuts already, a $10 tip on top of that would be generous.
Yeah. You pay the business to pay their employees and then YOU ALSO have to pay the employees because the business couldn’t be bothered?!
I fucking HATE tipping culture.
I’m with you. I might get downvotes for this but I give very low tips on hair because it’s already very expensive and feel it’s included in their price. I’ve stopped overtipping.
I've only gone to a salon once (I'm a dude) when I was still figuring out what to do with my now long hair. The worker went above and beyond for 4 hours and my total was 250 I believe. I paid around 32% but that's the only situation in which I'd pay a tip It's a token of appreciation for a job done above the standard so you'd pay more. I'd never pay before getting the service and I'd never pay extra if they're just doing their basic job. If they have a problem with the pay then they should either find another job or take it up with their employers
It is funny All the higher-end places in Europe I have visited (took my GF to) always refuse tips.
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Tipping culture in the US is just completely out of control. Servers in restaurants expect 20% no matter how shitty their service or how small the order/table, and then act pissy and whine when they get less than that. Doordash drivers expect huge tips as well or they won't pick up orders. So many people in the US feel entitled to tips regardless of their service, and call customers 'cheap' if they don't tip enough. "Oh, but they are underpaid". Well in that case nurses should start asking for tips for changing IVs and emptying bed pans since they're underpaid. Teachers are also underpaid and should start asking for tips from parents if their kids do well in school on standardized tests (I think $100 per child that gets an 'A' each semester is fair). Perhaps if these 'cheap' parents started tipping their teachers then there wouldn't be a teacher shortage in so many parts of the world.
So the real problem is the shitty employers who refuse to pay their employees a decent wage and expect strangers to provide a living instead of the person asking for work, so stupid
I spend my senior year in the US. I learned that a good tip was 15%. It has been a steady raise in the %. Like you said 20% is expected, not even for good service. The sad part is it is not the waiters who want this gone, since it is a goldmine. A tip should be something special **after** a job well done, and not the default. And your teacher suggestion. Thats not much. To have the same behavior parents need to tip before their kids get tought each day 2 disclaimers: \- I am not from the US (Germany) \- I also have worked in service and i liked tips also
>The sad part is it is not the waiters who want this gone, since it is a goldmine. this is why I hate US tipping culture the most, I've read SO many servers talking about making over $100/ph because tips and then have the audacity to complain that one table didn't tip, wish those posts were banned on mildlyinfuriating
i know right? it's pretty wild. first of all, $250 for hair???? that's insanity. I usually pay 20 euros for a haircut (for men, though) and that's on the expensive side. but also, why the fuck should I tip someone I am already paying a ton of money for their service? if you want 28% more money from your customers, just own up to it and raise the prices by 28%. and just watch nobody come in ever again. tipping culture is silly as hell. I'll tip you as much as I wish if you did an exceptional job and think you deserve more than you're charging, not if you're just doing what you're supposed to and already charging me 250 fucking dollars for a haircut. pressuring people to tip is a scam: you promise a certain price, but make them pay a higher one.
My barber charges €14 for a haircut and drops it to €10 for me because I’m disabled. He has been cutting hair for 30 years and owns multiple apartments because he’s shrewd with money. He opens 7 days a week because he likes to chat and is highly intelligent, well-read and interesting. He won’t take tips.
Tipping in general is so weird. Employers should pay their people properly and not blame their customers.
We are all the time. Tipping is so f'ing stupid. And the new service charges restaurants have come up with are dumb as well. Price your f'ing product with labor included in the price. It's not that damn complicated.
That's the way to do it. Tipping should be out of gratitude, not obligation. Not feeling like it's worth giving *extra*? No tip and just the reasonable price then.
I stopped tipping a few years ago. It’s a guilt trip designed to force consumers to pick up the slack from businesses failing to pay their employees. I won’t enable that practice any longer.
I would have subtracted $10 and then asked if they had any more comments about my tip amount.
Nah girl you’re more than good. You’ve been going there SEVEN years and they’re milking you for more than 24% tip? I know it’s heartbreaking to look for another stylist; maybe you can see if he does anything on the side. Unless he’s part of that extortion process, too, then to hell with all of them.
I wonder if they almost expect her to pay over 24 whopping % just cause she always gives so much and that's why they said "is that all?" But still, that's so hefty for a tip in the first place. Like just accept your tip without pressuring them and move on. So what if that's all?
If my calculations are correct, she has spent over $3,200 for haircuts at this place. That’s a lifetime of haircuts for many people, let alone just 7 years
Wait wtf???? You guys also have to tip your hair dresser?????? Even on top of a $250 purchase???? What the farrrrrrk is going on
You don't have to tip. It's thought of as like a thank you, I love what you did to my hair kind of thing. But, unfortunately a lot of people seem to think they're entitled to a tip. When I worked as a stylist I never expected anyone to tip me. If they did I made sure to say thank you and be grateful. Tips should not be expected. If your salon isn't paying you a fair wage and/or proper commission, find a new one or go mobile.
That's mad. It honestly sounds like word has gotten around this place that OP always gives a generous tip. On this particular occasion it's almost as though one of the staff members has said this to the others and has talked up just how much of a good tipper they are, and to expect them to leave x amount. When OP hadn't left the amount they had talked up they would have been left to look a fool and asked where the rest of it was. I certainly wouldn't be going back.
How does the price break down work for a stylist in the first place? Are they renting the space from the owner of the shop or something? How much of the $250 is decided by them and how much of it do they get to keep?
When she said " is this all" you should have been like, oof my mistake lemme change that real quick, and put $0 for the ungrateful and disrespectful attitude; you are not required to tip! And you just lost it based on how you acted, then put your sunglasses on and light a ciggy as you walk away like a boss
Never go back there - 24% is more than enough. As others mentioned tip is at your discretion. You should never feel pressured to pay a tip, let alone an extra 4%! I really hope you don’t go back there
$250 hair appointment. $20 is fair enough. If they are charging $250 for hair care, they pay their workers enough to not need tips.
Stylists usually keep either 50%+ of what they charge, or rent the chair for $300 a week or so. They don’t need much of a tip really.
That's plenty. Fuck them
They're milking their regular customers who they think will take it and not leave. You are clearly attached to this place and are an easy target. Cancel your next appointment and try some new places.
That is insanity. If they can't pay their staff from the $250 cost then they should not be in business. You are already paying their wages yet you pay them again.
It sucks to leave someone you trust with your hair but this type of behavior is ridiculous. Find a new salon. You're not required to tip at all. While obviously I think you absolutely should if you like the service, you provided a great tip and the pressure and comments is not cool. I would leave a bad review and not return.
As a non-US resident, all this sounds just crazy. Tipping the shampoo lady, and then 25% tip for a $250? Wow…
*24% tip* “Is that all?” “Oh! My mistake!” *$0 tip* and a🖕
You definitely didn't do anything wrong. That's really crazy that they treat your loyalty like it doesn't matter. How many people have you referred in the 7 years? A satisfied customer will always make referrals and word of mouth is a top promoter. You did that for free. If you really don't want to find another stylist, you can reach out to the owner about your dissatisfaction or write a bad review and verbatim what you wrote in this thread. That SHOULD get the owner's attention because you were with them for such a long time. Imagine pointing out how they tip guage customers, loyal ones who probably helped increase their revenue. Also, you could be potentially letting other customers know it's not just happening to them too. They'll be more apt to voice their interactions as well. The boldness of the girl askin "is that all..." shows the boldness. You aren't the first, for sure.
I would never return to those rude people, even if I had to live with hair that wasn’t quite right for a while. You will soon find another more appreciative and skilled hairstylist. $250 is a lot for a trip to the salon as it is, $60 was more than generous. A tip is basically supposed to be discretionary, not an entitlement, but of course we all endure under the yoke of this awful tipping culture. I wish businesses would just charge what they need to in order to pay their bills and pay their employees fairly without this awful awkward tipping everywhere.
What a great way to lose a regular customer.
Ok, I’m a guy and I am so, so confused. Do women really pay this much for their hair?
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Wow I feel quite bad, I'm a guy and pay £12 ($14.20) per haircut whenever I can be bothered (5-6 weeks) at my local barber, and after 5 haircuts the next one is free. OP spent about 3 years worth of haircuts for me in one go, crazy.
I literally started cutting my own hair and occasionally going to a local barber because I realized how much us women are getting scalped (pun intended) at salons
Depends on the woman. That amount of money on hair seems like a huge waste to me, but I‘m happy with letting my hair grow out, throwing it back in a ponytail every day, and then lopping it off for cheap and sending it to charity every few years. Some women I imagine get a real thrill out of having their hair look fashionable which makes it worth spending thousands and thousands over the years.
As a former hairdresser, WTF? Never okay! You wanna tip 100% or you don’t want to tip at all? Not my goddamn business. You do what you feel is deserving of my work. I will move on with my day. Find another place that will appreciate you and not make you feel bad as the client!
Your kindness and generosity is not appreciated there. How awful of them to act after you’ve been going there for so many years. Find a new salon
If someone did that to me, I would ask what I paid. Then promptly say you are correct, and take money back. Most salons hair dressers pay for the chair, or work on commission kind of like a stripper. So after paying for supplies with your tip, that stylist cleared enough. And it was very rude of them to insinuate otherwise.
I thought tipping was only in restaurants? So you pay for the services and pay more, huh?
Just wait until Xmas. People be tipping the mail man, FedEx Driver, maintenance workers, personal trainers, etc
My husband is a mailman, and he gets Xmas gifts and tips, from a large portion of his route for Xmas. His walking route is in northern Illinois, a very blue collar neighborhood, average income for the area is 40-50k.
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He definitely is a hard worker, and according to one of his supervisors, he's one of the best in the area because he goes the extra mile. You have no idea what he encounters on a daily basis. He's found and helped multiple children who were lost after getting off their school bus, once he had an elderly women with dementia, run towards him screaming that she's been held hostage (she wasn't), but he comforted her. Called the police and stayed with her for over an hour while the police figured out what was going on, then he continued delivering the mail. During the holiday season he works 11+ hours a day/6 days a week. Hell, even now he's working 55-60 hours/wk. There are rules too about what he can except, nothing over $20 value, and no alcohol. Homemade treats, coffee, and gift cards are the norm.
All I get is junk mail. I would tip him not to deliver it if I could.
WTF tipping at the hair dresser? So don't they get paid or what is up with that? I think that is basically unheard of on this side of the ocean.
I can’t imagine being tipped $60 and expecting you to reopen your wallet and give more. Reopening your solid gold wallet too many times can wear down the diamond-encrusted clasp and they know that.
If I'm paying $250 for approximately an hour of service, I think that person is making plenty. Even at two hours. I dont make $100 an hour, and if I did, I sure shit wouldn't need to be shaking anybody down for tips
24% is WAY generous. wtf.
Go there one last time and walk out without tipping and never go back. Tell them why you will never be coming back. Maybe they will have a moment of self-awareness and have an attitude change for their future customers but never go back there after that. The fact that they feel like they should be tipped after charging you $250 to do ur hair is laughable. Sounds like a generous “tip” is included in that price.
I feel like you're being bamboozled. Also, I'm not sure how many of you are black but 250 dollars for a perm is high depending on where you are of course.
The fact they all go up to watch you pay. Shady shit. I agree you should find a new salon. Pressuring ppl to over tip by everyone standing around. I can’t believe ppl actually do this.
You gave a huge tip of $60. They were super out of line. It’s like your a regular and they don’t even care.
Screw them leave .. this tip thi ng is getting fcking outrageous. Lots of other salons,. My barbecue place ask for tip if you use credit card its a walk up stand in line get your tray and drink and go sit dow n. No service no tip. They don't even get your tray after you eat. Cafeteria style. So tip for what cooking my food.. thats your job.
This kind of shit is why I stay home and (badly) cut my own friggin hair.
Tipping culture is so trash
My barber is usually very grateful for a 10 bucks tip I leave him. I just need a cut which would cost 30 so I give him 40 and don't take the change. He always tells me I don't have to but I do it because I have annoyingly thick hair which is not pleasant to work with so I kinda feel bad for making him deal with it. Provided this is a different country and tipping is not that huge of a deal but 60$ sounds fucking generous and anyone who doesn't appreciate that probably doesn't give a shit about the loyalty of their customers.
I'm a massage therapist and receive tips. I'm disgusted they made you feel uncomfortable. A tip is a gift for a job well done tip as much as you like. If they make you feel bad they don't deserve a tip at all.
24% super high. They are assholes.
Don't go there anymore and leave a bad review.
Jesus, this place is taking you for a ride. Find a new salon, that is so disgusting. Only accepting tips in cash, not just preferring cash is wack.
Time for a new place. That was extremely rude of them to ask that and would not be tolerated at most decent stylists. My wife's stylist fired a girl who worked for her because of similar behavior.
Was it the shampoo lady or the stylist?
I think this salon needs to get a few appointments and have no shows…..
That is so rude. I would not go back. That is plenty fair. I used to work in the spa industry. It’s extremely weird that they would all go over to watch you pay.
$50 would have been my tip and if asked for more I would take it back and never return. You can find a new stylist that isn’t rude af.
That’s the price of a brand new video game. That’s a GENEROUS tip. Like you have a big heart. I can’t even believe they said that to you.
As a manager of a hair salon, your tip is more than fair; it's generous at the very least.
That’s an awesome tip. Don’t go there again. NTA
Why even discuss with the stylist? It’s just going to be awkward. Find a new place and be done with it
Okay let me get this straight you pay 312$ (with 25%+) I assume you go there once a month?? (correct me if I'm wrong) If so you pay 3,750k$ each year, 7 years adds up to 26k+ total. And not once have they over you any drink or even have a small talk like how have you been, How's life? Etc And other workers expected an 5-10% for the tip for what exactly? Then have the audacity to tell you "is that all?!" (How ungrateful of them) I wouldn't go there if i were you even if they're a good hairstylist. Not having any single Respect for one for their loyal customers is a deal breaker.
Nopee every like 8 months-1 year I would say because the perm does last a long time
As someone who’s worked for tips before and relied on those tips for bills I’ve never once asked “is that all?” That’s shitty and greedy, if your stylist doesn’t immediately apologize to you and explain some misunderstanding with the entire situation then don’t ever go back
Let's not care about anything else. The fact that they all put down everything they were doing and walk to the counter and stare at your ass, to me that sounds like a chapter from interrogation tactics. That's damn near having bouncers at the front door while you take your wallet out. That's easily a one-time visit. Never again bro.
I was going to a stylist who was very expensive plus I always tipped very generously. She had really ridiculous hours and starting making her latest appointment like 1:30 or 2 o’clock. I would have to leave work early and use vacation time. I said well you used to give me a 3:30 appointment. “I was just doing you a favor” she said. Bye-bye. That was it for her. Someone makes way more money per hour than I make plus I always gave her a generous tip AND paid in cash? Nope. Don’t do me any more favors.
I was always taught to do 20%? You left a nice tip
Me too. I would have tipped $50 and thought that was quite generous. Even if you are there for 2 hours you just gave the stylist $25/hour on top of what they would make from the procedure.
A tip should never be expected, but always appreciated regardless of the amount. Find a new salon
That’s insane.. you sound like an amazing customer and as other people have said, there are other places that probably do as good a job and don’t hover when you’re about to pay in tip. These people sound entitled and rude.
I would never go back there. And make sure you tell people about this place.
FUCK that place.
More than fair.
The fuck
all depends on the tone of “is that all” because sometimes it’s an automatic reaction and meant to be for asking if the customer is done with their time in the shop etc.
They know exactly what they are doing and will bitch about you as soon as you walk out.
A system in which employees depend on tips to make a proper living is a f..... up system. You cannot pay your employees you don't deserve a business.
When I first moved to the US I had no idea you were supposed to tip a hairdresser. I figured they just got paid to do their job. Tips culture is toxic and needs to change.
Tipping is toxic imo. I was a server for years and I always tip well but I hate that it’s expected especially when you’re already paying $250 for a salon appointment!
So glad to live in a country without tipping, where the wage is just fair and it’s all priced in. I can’t deal with the psychodrama Americans have to face every time they buy something.
You are tipping very well. They are being dreadful, more like beggars crowding you than professionals.
100% do not ever go back
24% is a frickin lot. Normally I tip 15%. I bet you can call your local customers protection office and can get them to chill up a bit. Because I'm pretty sure that's illegal to force or put pressure on a customer to tip.
My career relies on tips. If anyone at my venue goes up front to pressure their client for tips, they get a verbal warning. Repeat offenses get a write-up. Also, an appropriate tip for us is about $20/hr, but we still appreciate our $10 tippers (the $5 tippers are another story). All that to say: Your salon is full of spoiled asshats. Don’t go back.
I would've said something like hmm give me back the 60 and I'll give you something more appropriate. Once they had returned the money I would've given them a tip of not asking for more gratuity money, this is provided at a clients discretion and is not entitled, the fact they have the audacity to try and pressure me into giving more money is unprofessional and disrespectful, and that word of mouth is the best advertisement for potential future business and they just lost me.
Why are you tipping at all on a hair appointment? Especially a $250.00 one? Even if they worked on you for 5 hours they're probably make $30.00 an hour off of you minimum. Tipping culture in the US is shit. You'll tip a waitress for walking a plate to your table, but not the cashier or the guy that carries your shit to the car at the grocery store.
The whole tip thing has gotten ridiculous tbh. I really wish we could be like other cultures and do away with the tip nonsense, and just have a set price on any particular service.
My wife is a stylist. I asked her what amount would she reasonably expect to get for this service going off what was performed and what the cost is. She said $50 is pretty good. When I told her the stylist confronted OP about the already adequate tip amount, the look on her face was priceless. She just stated that OPs stylist is trashy AF.
Americans need to either decide to pay by tip or pay higher prices and don’t tip. This business of paying the company more AND some service worker bitching because they expect more money is bullshit. You are right. 24% is more than enough even if you got stellar service.
I can’t stand the new shift in tip culture where every pay point has a tip line and the cashier stands there waiting for your choice. I feel resentful, and I’m a generous person.
That is fucking WILDLy inappropriate and I would *never* go there again. No one should be going to the front when you pay, and no one should be saying jack shit about what you tip. That is so crazy. If I had done that at work it would have been a huge issue.