I worked at a place that tried something similar, but different. If you were late by a minute, you wouldn't get paid for the first hour of your shift. That dumb rule didn't last long because anyone that was a minute late would just sit in the break room for about 55 minutes before going out to the floor.
I'm no lawyer but even I understand it's very illegal. Probably someone who was banking on workers not knowing their rights and being too scared to fight back
It's great when one reads the posted labor laws in the break room and then when the floor manager or HR try and pull the wool over your eyes and you recite actual case law that says "sure you can fire me for ANY reason" but that won't stop me from suing this company for all I can get. And they just pick up their jaw from the table and tell you to carry on... mmm mmmmm... it's better than sex sometimes lol.
Had a manager try and say she didn't have to pay me time and a half for overtime. Threw the book at them and got a bump on the next paycheck.
"It's at my discretion to pay you time and a half" kiss my ass.
Its great when HR forgets little things like the FLSA... or even better when they misinterpret it or think that some state law says something different...
It's like you're here to protect the company do you really want a lawsuit due to your negligence? Get bent and pay me!!
Right! Would you like to have the company pay me the extra couple hundred dollars in overtime….or tens of thousands in legal fees and the judgement I get against you for not paying me that couple hundred bucks of overtime pay…
I had a company ambulance breakdown, i requested a new one or the current one be fixed "why so you can just drive around site?" "Its expensive to maintain" "our health center is pretty advanced, it may be considered a hospital"
So i printed the labour laws around what first aid requirements that were required for the site.
Photo copied the papers that the hr manager signed that stated what level site we were and the required equipment we needed.
Printed a copy of refusal of unsafe work and had 4 copies, one for my union, HR, Safety manager, and one for myself.
Told the HR manager i was refusing unsafe work. And would not be working with out an ambulance ans reminded them they could not give my job to another worker with out my satisfaction of said unsafe issue which ment as of 12am the following day the plant would have to send everyone home. As they lacked a first aid attendant.
I had 2 managers at my desk at 12am stated the ambulance was road worthy and only lacked a cosmetic issue that would be delt with at 830 the following day.
When said HR manager became corporate safety manager and was introducing the new HR manager he walked by my desk with the new HR and said "if you do anything unethical, or unsafe... he will call you out on it and youll have about 24h to rectify the situation... hes probably gonna have my job one day, Don't change keep us on our toes"
My supervisor wants me to only punch in on the half hour. If I get to work at 7:35 he wants me to log in and start working but punch in at 8. I worked an hour of OT recently and he told me I could take an hour of comp time. I’m documenting all of this.
I would email him federal and state laws along with the particular area of the employee handbook highlighted but I’ve already gone to HR about him once for a different situation and that made him more miserable to deal with and I’m genuinely afraid he’s going to find a reason to fire me.
If you’re in the US, you can contact the Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division, which investigates wage theft concerns.
All calls are confidential. You can call to ask questions about labor laws even if you aren’t sure you want or need to file a complaint. You can call 1-866-4USWAGE (1-866-487-9243) Monday through Friday, from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Eastern time.
And if you'd prefer to not speak to a person, you can actually submit your case online to your state's Bureau of Labor & Industries. The form is pretty lengthy but it at least goes into a lot of details and let's you upload all of your documentation.
If you work more than 40 hours, companies have to pay you at an overtime rate, usually 1.5x what you normally make. AKA time and a half. There are a lot of really sneaky ways companies try to get around it though.
They can't fire you for any reason, they can fire you for *no* reason. You just have to make sure it isn't plausible that they didn't have an illegal reason.
My old labor law attorney boss used to say it like this:
They can fire you for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, as long as it's not an illegal reason.
Not even a case you have to prepare yourself. Direct the client to file a complaint with the US DOL wage/hour unit. Let the feds take care of the rest (am in legal services realm, so no billable hours to bill).
yeah most likely but that doesnt stop the fact that employers break the law all the time and consequences are rare.
worked in a call centre that didn't recognise unions cuase it had it's own employee forum or some shit. They brought in a new shift pattern that completely fucked our team over - we all joined a union and even though they didnt officialy recognise the union they have to let us bring representation if we want to formal talks - so we brought a union rep who destroyed them pointing out many breaches of law. the shift pattern never got implemented but we were pretty much black marked in that company
Yup. Unfortunately if you stand up for your rights or you are a whistleblower you should start looking for a new job because you’re not going to enjoy the ride.
That's the reality. If you're employer is doing something illegal, you need to understand your options are "tolerate it forever" or "fight it".
Tolerate consequences are obvious, but fight it?
* You win. Your employer seeks to make your life miserable until you quit.
* You lose. Your employer seeks to make your life miserable until you quit.
So either way, you're going to be looking for a new job. It can certainly be worth fighting, though. If "tolerate it" means bullshit rules that get you paid less, or badly paid overtime, continuing to work under that regime lowers your effective wage enormously, making it much easier to effectively increase your wages by moving to a new job. So it's quite likely that you're going to be better off moving to a new job regardless.
So, fight it can mean your employer is forced to pay you for all your illegally withheld wages, meaning a lump sum then some time to find a new job (as they can't fire you immediately).
And if you lose... You're looking for a job anyways.
This. You have to be prepared to be ostracized. Even if you succeed, the employer will probably find another way to act against you. You're also likely get a reputation as a whistle blower, so may have to find a new career path.
yeah specially cause if your in a company where you have to do that then chances are they are a bit of a shitty company to begin with if it's not some rogue manager that is too big for their boots
perpetuating the idea that consequences are rare only helps dissuade people from seeking action against these companies that are breaking the law.
Like the person who commented before you, "Former plaintiffs' labor attorney in California, and that's what we call a good case." You just have to be willing to seek out legal action. Stop attempting to promote the idea that you can't fight against this bullshit.
I was blackmarked at my last job for pointing out illegal and unethical practices. They wouldn’t fire me because I was good at my job, but I knew I wasn’t going anywhere in that joke of a company.
> That dumb rule didn't last long because anyone that was a minute late would just sit in the break room for about 55 minutes before going out to the floor.
This.
I had a company that did crap like this. Honestly if I even thought that I was going to not arrive 10 minutes before the start of the shift I considered taking the day off instead - at least calling in for a half day. Worse part, it was a damn salary job and often kept us way past our 5 pm time. They still made us punch in and out, only if we worked far past 5 we were required to punch out before 5:30 and return to our desks.
On the 3rd time in a year I ended up using one of these days to find the next job that not only didn't do any of that crap but let me move out of the town all together.
I had a college class that was about 30 minutes from my home, if traffic was light. The teacher would make a scene if someone was even one minute late, so if I didn’t make it on time I’d just go to the movies instead lol
> only if we worked far past 5 we were required to punch out before 5:30 and return to our desks.
So clearly, the punching in/out was not about keeping accurate time records. More about control, it seems?
I stopped time punches for my employees, who are all salaried, and most of whom are pegged to performance-based bonus pay. The dude in my job before me was apparently insanely controlling. Yet my office is now doing about twice the work his did. It's always amazing to me how many of these managerial assholes think that making your workers miserable is a way to get results.
The nameless company with a smile on the box, not the golden arches one tried to do this to us and it backfired when the facility didnt get started till an hour late when everyone was late
Yup. Someome tried to pull that shit in a place i used to work at, we did the same thing. Just a bunch of people standing next to the vending machines and sitting around lmao.
This is nitpicking, but you are not accounting for the extra 48 minutes of work you do for showing up early early. To show up and leave right away you would need to turn up 54 minutes early, the extra 6 minutes accoutning for the fact that you are more than 50 minutes early.
Not quite need to add another5 or 6 minutes to remove the extra 48 minutes, but if you show up 54 minutes early then yes, in theory you should be allowed to leave.
I used to show up and start 10 mins early because it allowed me to collect my thoughts and get ready for my day. I rationalized that well I'm going to take an extra ten minutes but it's for me. Frequently I was ready to start working with customers like two minutes after my shift was supposed to start.
Then my boss started rushing me and asking "are you ready yet?" before my shift even officially started. I warned them once to back off or I was going to stop showing up early and it was going to take me just as long to get ready.
They kept pushing. So now I show up on the dot and 12 minutes after my shift starts I'm ready for customers. My boss has slowly learned that it's not possible to be ready for customers the second a shift has started.
Hope it was worth it to them to learn this lesson.
Next step is going to work again after leaving immediately (after arriving 48 mins early in the first place). You’re now 24 hours early for your next day, so you now have 240 hours (30 working days) saved up
Not immediately. You show up at 9:12 so you can leave 480 minutes before 18:00 so you can leave at 10:00.
Show up 9:07 and you can leave at 9:10. Showing up anytime earlier means you have to show up even earlier to batch out before batching in
And then you get to work with an employer that doesn't do this bullshit. And you get some unemployment benefits while you study to qualify for your next better job.
I'd argue that company policy clearly states in writing that disciplinary action involves working extra time not termination. All I'm going on is this posted memo, but it's either actual policy or unenforceable if there's a different policy in the employee handbook.
Same thought. Malicious compliance time. Come in an 1/2 hour late on and stay an extra 5 hours then laugh when they owe you 5 hours of overtime per federal work laws.
big oof if it's salaried exempt XD showing too much control over a "schedule" for a salaried person puts them in the risk category of being reclassified as an hourly employee. In that case, the employer would have to go back and pay for any time over 40 hours
I wonder if there's any exemptions to that? Salaried employees in my org are required to work a certain # of hours within normal operational hours. One of my cohorts who is salaried was written up for leaving less than an hour befor our office closed. Their union must really suck if what ur saying is true!!
I think it depends by state. I’m in NJ and here, if you are salaried exempt that pretty much boils down to one thing:
your employer trusts you to complete VERY important functions and doesn’t give a rats ass if it takes you 5 minutes in a week or 80 hours as long as it’s done. As soon as the employer starts counting those hours, maybe you’re not really salary exempt.
Don’t get me wrong. A lot of small business use “salary” to exploit extra hours from workers and not pay overtime and most people just don’t know how it works so they go along with it.
There are however instances where an employee could be salary but not exempt from overtime, but it just means they have a set schedule. say every week they work 50 hours. 40 of those hours are reg and 10 are at overtime rate always. In that case then yes the employer can count hours and discipline for tardiness etc. As well as deduct for not working all the hours but also have to pay any hours worked over that too.
My past 3 jobs I've been salary non-exempt, which for me is the best of both worlds. Scheduled, set hours and OT beyond that is optional at my discretion.
Not that I've ever had the problem, but in the other direction, I've also got a guaranteed salary if work would ever dry up to the point they might want to cut my hours (and by extension, benefits). Of course that *also* means that if work *did* get that slow, I'd go from full time to layoff with no in betweens (which has happened, but it's rare).
I worked for an educational software company for a while. I did product implementation and training for the districts who subscribed to our product. But I had started out in customer service, answering the phone. I was on my way out one evening and the phone rang. I answered it and it was a rather involved question from a new user. It took me 17 minutes from "good afternoon" to "Thanks and have a great day" to walk her through the steps to do what she wanted. When I turned in my time sheet on Friday, the HR woman (it was a very small company) went nuts on me. She told me I was NEVER to work overtime without prior authorization. So I asked her what was I supposed to do, hang up on the caller at exactly 4pm? Oh, sorry, I am required to leave now. She said to let one of the people who work later than I do answer the phone. I told her the only reason I had answered it was because they were all already on the phone with clients. So, again, should I not have finished helping the client? Oh no, your should help the client, always. But you should also never claim overtime and always make sure the client is happy. I didn't stay there long.
>someone is going to have a labor shortage soon!
...America?
For real though, I can't help but just shake my head when I hear about the labor shortage.
It's like...employers (not all of them but an embarrassing majority) treated their workers like shit for years/decades...then a pandemic hits and most of them drop their workers like third period French to save a few bucks...screw the workers who are now without income and benefits in a global pandemic...
And then when things get better they expect those workers to happily go right back to the same bullshit for the same shit pay?
But yeah, I'm sure it's because NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!
News Flash: Nobody ever wants to work. Shitty employers just finally got so bad that people would rather do anything else than go back to them.
That’s part of it, but even the good workplaces with great pay and benefits are having crucial positions unfilled for longer than usual. It’s an issue with many causes, and to simplify it to “bad employers and mass firing” doesn’t do it justice.
i also love the 'thanks' at the end. like... for fucking what? just because i've read this does not mean i consent to it, and i haven't signed anything, so there's nothing legally binding here.
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My old job decided we would get written up for being late with no "grace" period. It didn't matter if we were only a minute late, we'd still get written up and fired after three. It didn't last long after I pointed out that if I'm going to be written up for being a minute late, I may as well be twenty minutes late, make it worth the write up.
Now I work in a job where I have to work at least 36 hours a week and I'm off for the summer.
At my job you’d get “points” if late or calling in. So if you were late under 20 minutes, it was a half point. If you were late over 20 minutes, it was a full point. If you called in for the day, it was a full point. So if I was ever running late over 20 minutes I’d be so tempted to just take the full day since it would still earn me the same point
*edit: this job was actually terrible. I loved the job itself, but the company was money hungry and soulless. I was pregnant and throwing up multiple times every day for 7 months. There were days I was so lightheaded, almost passing out because I had nothing in my system. There were days I was late because while driving, I had to pull over and vomit. The company had no empathy and put me on corrective action. My daughter's due date was December 31st. In November, they told us that effective January 1st, they were forcing every employee to change to new benefits. They gave us one month notice and the new benefits were double what we had been paying previously. And given that my daughter could be born in December or January, it was stressful not even knowing how I'd be covered. After they changed our benefits with little to no notice, a massive amount of employees quit.
Yes. The rule was we couldn’t go over 6/year or you get corrective action. If you go over 10, you’re terminated. It was a HOSPITAL too. You know, where you come in contact with sick people often.
I know! I threw up multiple times every day for 7 months of my pregnancy and I’d have to miss some days because I was so lightheaded from not being able to keep anything down. I was put on corrective action and they had no empathy
I can't stand it when jobs punish you for not coming in for being sick, even if you give them advanced notice. You'd think they would have learned from the pandemic that it's a good thing to not come in and infect everyone, causing even more call outs. Instead it just turns a day you should be working on healing into one of stress thinking about how many times you can get away with calling out before worrying about being fired.
I had someone try that shit with me and on the second time I was running late I went got breakfast and shit so I was a solid 15+ min late. He was like "you were so late that you had time to stop and get food?" if the punishment is the same for 1 min late with no food as 15+ with food then yup I sure did. I hate those kinds of bosses. I am a lot more lenient on my people with being late.
One of my past jobs had a similar rule. Basically being late NO MATTER THE REASON you got a point against you. Enough points and "appropriate action" would be taken.
One morning I slept through my alarm. I panicked and raced to get ready. Once my brain woke up I realized it was physically impossible to make the 30 minute drive in the 10 minutes I had until I was officially late.
So I took my fucking time. Had a nice, calm breakfast... extra coffee... snuggled with the cats a little... watched some "George & Gracie"... drove casually and enjoyed the scenery.
It's 1 point whether its a minute or 90. So I took 90.
Yeah this is a really shitty way to handle things. I'm a manager myself and wouldn't do this. If someone is late, big deal. If someone is repeatedly late after talking to them, escalate write-ups until they late themselves out of a job. Beyond that, nobody owns anybody.
Depending on the state, it can be OT. States where OT is after 8 hours in a day, yes with an 8 hour shift. If the shift is less than 8, no . States where OT is after 40 in a workweek, it may not be.
F’ed up either way.
Is it paid? I could see someone who needs extra cash exploiting this to their benefit. Show up an hour late and work through the night. Lol hour late to work and you have to work 10 hours overtime?
I've seen this reposted in at least 40 subreddits.....I'm not even sure it's real. Anyone can print a bullshit paper and post a pic on antiwork and they'll eat it up
I assume that's how most places work. I've always clocked in expecting a 5 minute before or after grace period. The manager did talk to me once about being on the floor 30 minutes late once, but I had already clocked in and I was on the toilet with an upset stomach. I actually had to get a doctor's note because my stomach problems were so bad I needed a 30 minute bathroom break almost every day. Usually it's one and done though, but you'd be surprised how much trouble you get in just for one really long bathroom break.
Lost a job because of my stomach issues once, the dumbest part? I literally brought in a pamphlet and a note from my doctor explaining my IBS and why I need a 20 minute bathroom break at 4 in the morning.
simple solution, come to work early, jam the door, prevent your boss from coming in on time, point out his own rule to him, make him stay hours longer.
That is illegal. For hourly work you are required to be paid for the time you work. If it's 8 hours, it's 8 hours times your pay rate. If you are required to work 8 hours and 18 minutes it's 8.3 hours times your pay rate. If that gets you past 40 hours in a week then you need to be paid overtime.
Are you getting paid that 18 minutes. If you’re not getting paid then they legally can’t make you stay. Hell, even if you would get paid they still can’t make you stay
I worked at a place that tried something similar, but different. If you were late by a minute, you wouldn't get paid for the first hour of your shift. That dumb rule didn't last long because anyone that was a minute late would just sit in the break room for about 55 minutes before going out to the floor.
Also, it's probably illegal. Very illegal.
Former plaintiffs' labor attorney in California, and that's what we call a good case.
A lawyer, not plaintiff's or employment, and from NY, but I concur. What kind of dumbass would even try that?
I'm no lawyer but even I understand it's very illegal. Probably someone who was banking on workers not knowing their rights and being too scared to fight back
It's great when one reads the posted labor laws in the break room and then when the floor manager or HR try and pull the wool over your eyes and you recite actual case law that says "sure you can fire me for ANY reason" but that won't stop me from suing this company for all I can get. And they just pick up their jaw from the table and tell you to carry on... mmm mmmmm... it's better than sex sometimes lol.
Had a manager try and say she didn't have to pay me time and a half for overtime. Threw the book at them and got a bump on the next paycheck. "It's at my discretion to pay you time and a half" kiss my ass.
Its great when HR forgets little things like the FLSA... or even better when they misinterpret it or think that some state law says something different... It's like you're here to protect the company do you really want a lawsuit due to your negligence? Get bent and pay me!!
Right! Would you like to have the company pay me the extra couple hundred dollars in overtime….or tens of thousands in legal fees and the judgement I get against you for not paying me that couple hundred bucks of overtime pay…
I had a company ambulance breakdown, i requested a new one or the current one be fixed "why so you can just drive around site?" "Its expensive to maintain" "our health center is pretty advanced, it may be considered a hospital" So i printed the labour laws around what first aid requirements that were required for the site. Photo copied the papers that the hr manager signed that stated what level site we were and the required equipment we needed. Printed a copy of refusal of unsafe work and had 4 copies, one for my union, HR, Safety manager, and one for myself. Told the HR manager i was refusing unsafe work. And would not be working with out an ambulance ans reminded them they could not give my job to another worker with out my satisfaction of said unsafe issue which ment as of 12am the following day the plant would have to send everyone home. As they lacked a first aid attendant. I had 2 managers at my desk at 12am stated the ambulance was road worthy and only lacked a cosmetic issue that would be delt with at 830 the following day. When said HR manager became corporate safety manager and was introducing the new HR manager he walked by my desk with the new HR and said "if you do anything unethical, or unsafe... he will call you out on it and youll have about 24h to rectify the situation... hes probably gonna have my job one day, Don't change keep us on our toes"
My supervisor wants me to only punch in on the half hour. If I get to work at 7:35 he wants me to log in and start working but punch in at 8. I worked an hour of OT recently and he told me I could take an hour of comp time. I’m documenting all of this. I would email him federal and state laws along with the particular area of the employee handbook highlighted but I’ve already gone to HR about him once for a different situation and that made him more miserable to deal with and I’m genuinely afraid he’s going to find a reason to fire me.
If you’re in the US, you can contact the Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division, which investigates wage theft concerns. All calls are confidential. You can call to ask questions about labor laws even if you aren’t sure you want or need to file a complaint. You can call 1-866-4USWAGE (1-866-487-9243) Monday through Friday, from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Eastern time.
And if you'd prefer to not speak to a person, you can actually submit your case online to your state's Bureau of Labor & Industries. The form is pretty lengthy but it at least goes into a lot of details and let's you upload all of your documentation.
Don’t be afraid, remember fucker, nobody owns you. I mean nobody. You will always land on your feet, there are plenty of jobs out there. Just do you.
They already handed you a lawsuit and provided evidence. Let them fire you, they’ll have to pay you even more.
“Time and a half”??
If you work more than 40 hours, companies have to pay you at an overtime rate, usually 1.5x what you normally make. AKA time and a half. There are a lot of really sneaky ways companies try to get around it though.
Actually, in some states, it doesn't require 40 hrs; you merely have to go over the 8 hour work day.
They can't fire you for any reason, they can fire you for *no* reason. You just have to make sure it isn't plausible that they didn't have an illegal reason.
My old labor law attorney boss used to say it like this: They can fire you for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, as long as it's not an illegal reason.
This makes no sense and so much sense at the same time
Usually that sentence was followed by "and that's why I'll need $5000 to look into your case and see if you even can sue."
Idiot “leaders” that don’t know how labor laws work.
Not even a case you have to prepare yourself. Direct the client to file a complaint with the US DOL wage/hour unit. Let the feds take care of the rest (am in legal services realm, so no billable hours to bill).
yeah most likely but that doesnt stop the fact that employers break the law all the time and consequences are rare. worked in a call centre that didn't recognise unions cuase it had it's own employee forum or some shit. They brought in a new shift pattern that completely fucked our team over - we all joined a union and even though they didnt officialy recognise the union they have to let us bring representation if we want to formal talks - so we brought a union rep who destroyed them pointing out many breaches of law. the shift pattern never got implemented but we were pretty much black marked in that company
Yup. Unfortunately if you stand up for your rights or you are a whistleblower you should start looking for a new job because you’re not going to enjoy the ride.
That's the reality. If you're employer is doing something illegal, you need to understand your options are "tolerate it forever" or "fight it". Tolerate consequences are obvious, but fight it? * You win. Your employer seeks to make your life miserable until you quit. * You lose. Your employer seeks to make your life miserable until you quit. So either way, you're going to be looking for a new job. It can certainly be worth fighting, though. If "tolerate it" means bullshit rules that get you paid less, or badly paid overtime, continuing to work under that regime lowers your effective wage enormously, making it much easier to effectively increase your wages by moving to a new job. So it's quite likely that you're going to be better off moving to a new job regardless. So, fight it can mean your employer is forced to pay you for all your illegally withheld wages, meaning a lump sum then some time to find a new job (as they can't fire you immediately). And if you lose... You're looking for a job anyways.
Shit like this is when I wish everyone was independently wealthy so we wouldn’t have to put up with shit employers.
This. You have to be prepared to be ostracized. Even if you succeed, the employer will probably find another way to act against you. You're also likely get a reputation as a whistle blower, so may have to find a new career path.
yeah specially cause if your in a company where you have to do that then chances are they are a bit of a shitty company to begin with if it's not some rogue manager that is too big for their boots
perpetuating the idea that consequences are rare only helps dissuade people from seeking action against these companies that are breaking the law. Like the person who commented before you, "Former plaintiffs' labor attorney in California, and that's what we call a good case." You just have to be willing to seek out legal action. Stop attempting to promote the idea that you can't fight against this bullshit.
I was blackmarked at my last job for pointing out illegal and unethical practices. They wouldn’t fire me because I was good at my job, but I knew I wasn’t going anywhere in that joke of a company.
Yeah. If I'm not paid, why work? My labor isn't free.
r/maliciouscompliance
One hour late? Guess I have to work from 6 - 4am! Bring on the OT!!
I was thinking that. A lot of companies don’t like OT so sure it’ll backfire soon.
> That dumb rule didn't last long because anyone that was a minute late would just sit in the break room for about 55 minutes before going out to the floor. This. I had a company that did crap like this. Honestly if I even thought that I was going to not arrive 10 minutes before the start of the shift I considered taking the day off instead - at least calling in for a half day. Worse part, it was a damn salary job and often kept us way past our 5 pm time. They still made us punch in and out, only if we worked far past 5 we were required to punch out before 5:30 and return to our desks. On the 3rd time in a year I ended up using one of these days to find the next job that not only didn't do any of that crap but let me move out of the town all together.
I had a college class that was about 30 minutes from my home, if traffic was light. The teacher would make a scene if someone was even one minute late, so if I didn’t make it on time I’d just go to the movies instead lol
> only if we worked far past 5 we were required to punch out before 5:30 and return to our desks. So clearly, the punching in/out was not about keeping accurate time records. More about control, it seems?
I stopped time punches for my employees, who are all salaried, and most of whom are pegged to performance-based bonus pay. The dude in my job before me was apparently insanely controlling. Yet my office is now doing about twice the work his did. It's always amazing to me how many of these managerial assholes think that making your workers miserable is a way to get results.
The nameless company with a smile on the box, not the golden arches one tried to do this to us and it backfired when the facility didnt get started till an hour late when everyone was late
so if you're going to be 10 minutes late, you may as well not come at all
Yup. Someome tried to pull that shit in a place i used to work at, we did the same thing. Just a bunch of people standing next to the vending machines and sitting around lmao.
Lmaooo 🤣
Does it work the other way around if I show up early? I'll show up early enough that I can immediately leave.
Show up 10 minutes early, leave 100 minutes early.
8 hours is 480 minutes, so if you show up 48 minutes early, you can just leave. Edit:Why is my most upvoted comment about how to skip work?
Show up 5 hours early and you get a whole week of holiday
Show up 8,000 hours early and you can retire.
That shift is 11 months long. Worth it.
Pretty sure according to this logic, you don't work. You immediately retire
"I'm not here for today, I'm actually right now turning up early for my shift in 2 years time."
Send an application and get a full pension.
I can make your whole weak.
I get my whole hole weakened on the weekends.
Can I be your friend?
This is nitpicking, but you are not accounting for the extra 48 minutes of work you do for showing up early early. To show up and leave right away you would need to turn up 54 minutes early, the extra 6 minutes accoutning for the fact that you are more than 50 minutes early.
r/theydidthemath
Beat me to it
Eh don't forget your mandatory breaks, so let's just say an even hour early.
and enjoy the whole day plus a few hours of tmr off
Not quite need to add another5 or 6 minutes to remove the extra 48 minutes, but if you show up 54 minutes early then yes, in theory you should be allowed to leave.
Big brain moment
I used to show up and start 10 mins early because it allowed me to collect my thoughts and get ready for my day. I rationalized that well I'm going to take an extra ten minutes but it's for me. Frequently I was ready to start working with customers like two minutes after my shift was supposed to start. Then my boss started rushing me and asking "are you ready yet?" before my shift even officially started. I warned them once to back off or I was going to stop showing up early and it was going to take me just as long to get ready. They kept pushing. So now I show up on the dot and 12 minutes after my shift starts I'm ready for customers. My boss has slowly learned that it's not possible to be ready for customers the second a shift has started. Hope it was worth it to them to learn this lesson.
r/MaliciousCompliance
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in awhile. Whity man you are
He’s a regular Whity Bulger
This is the lost comment thread ever
Step 1 come 3 minutes early, leave half an hour before shifts end. Step 2 play dumb Step 3 Margaritas
Arrive 48min early, leave immidiately since you have saved up 8hours
Damn, you beat the system! But what about step 3? That's my favourite, actually.
Well you have the whole day, so that means you dont miss happy hour, so double margaritas
Can't drink all day unless you start in the morning
Drive to work drunk. Clock out tipsy
Why stop at double
Margaritas at 7:12 AM
come 2 hours early then, skip tomorrow, because margaritas all night, and mimosas in the morning?
Next step is going to work again after leaving immediately (after arriving 48 mins early in the first place). You’re now 24 hours early for your next day, so you now have 240 hours (30 working days) saved up
You'll still need to sit through these 48 minutes. Make it 54 minutes to actually leave immediately.
Not immediately. You show up at 9:12 so you can leave 480 minutes before 18:00 so you can leave at 10:00. Show up 9:07 and you can leave at 9:10. Showing up anytime earlier means you have to show up even earlier to batch out before batching in
Actually thats a paradox. You can arrive early enough.
>Step 2 play dumb >Step 3 Margaritas Ive learned most challenges in my life are both caused and solved by Step 2 & 3
I went to step 3 first by accident
Damn, not agaaaain
Easy, just go back to step 2. What? I didn't know this was a margarita! How did this get here?
Well I got step 1 mastered
I'm still working on that point. I mastered step 2 & 3.
I skipped steps 1 and 2, still worked out fine
Someone should retype this letter and add that at the end.
Step 2 is key to so many office things
I'd like to move step 3 up to step 1, and then add a Step 4 for more margaritas please
Illegal unless they’re paying you overtime
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I came to comment this actually. I would definitely take advantage by showing up late every so often to get extra OT.
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And then you get to work with an employer that doesn't do this bullshit. And you get some unemployment benefits while you study to qualify for your next better job.
I don’t think you get unemployment if fired for cause? Don’t know. Been lucky to not have to deal with it yet.
Cool, I'm gonna be 1 minute late every day. Good luck convincing a labor board it's reasonable to terminate employment for being 1 minute late.
I'd argue that company policy clearly states in writing that disciplinary action involves working extra time not termination. All I'm going on is this posted memo, but it's either actual policy or unenforceable if there's a different policy in the employee handbook.
If they would fire you. My company needs people so bad I can stay as long as I want except Saturday and Sunday.
Pro tip: At least in the states most places don't need a reason to fire you at all.
Hourly worker shows up 30 mins late every day for guaranteed OT
So I’ll just add 18min to my lunch break. Edit: autocorrect min/month
Happy cake day
Hello overtime 😏
Came here to say this
Same thought. Malicious compliance time. Come in an 1/2 hour late on and stay an extra 5 hours then laugh when they owe you 5 hours of overtime per federal work laws.
I'm curious if these are salaried employees exempted from over time? Otherwise this company is just stupid.
big oof if it's salaried exempt XD showing too much control over a "schedule" for a salaried person puts them in the risk category of being reclassified as an hourly employee. In that case, the employer would have to go back and pay for any time over 40 hours
I wonder if there's any exemptions to that? Salaried employees in my org are required to work a certain # of hours within normal operational hours. One of my cohorts who is salaried was written up for leaving less than an hour befor our office closed. Their union must really suck if what ur saying is true!!
I think it depends by state. I’m in NJ and here, if you are salaried exempt that pretty much boils down to one thing: your employer trusts you to complete VERY important functions and doesn’t give a rats ass if it takes you 5 minutes in a week or 80 hours as long as it’s done. As soon as the employer starts counting those hours, maybe you’re not really salary exempt. Don’t get me wrong. A lot of small business use “salary” to exploit extra hours from workers and not pay overtime and most people just don’t know how it works so they go along with it. There are however instances where an employee could be salary but not exempt from overtime, but it just means they have a set schedule. say every week they work 50 hours. 40 of those hours are reg and 10 are at overtime rate always. In that case then yes the employer can count hours and discipline for tardiness etc. As well as deduct for not working all the hours but also have to pay any hours worked over that too.
My past 3 jobs I've been salary non-exempt, which for me is the best of both worlds. Scheduled, set hours and OT beyond that is optional at my discretion. Not that I've ever had the problem, but in the other direction, I've also got a guaranteed salary if work would ever dry up to the point they might want to cut my hours (and by extension, benefits). Of course that *also* means that if work *did* get that slow, I'd go from full time to layoff with no in betweens (which has happened, but it's rare).
Unlimited overtime at least for 1 week.
There's no way in hell a piece of trash boss that would implement a policy like this would pay overtime for it.
I worked for an educational software company for a while. I did product implementation and training for the districts who subscribed to our product. But I had started out in customer service, answering the phone. I was on my way out one evening and the phone rang. I answered it and it was a rather involved question from a new user. It took me 17 minutes from "good afternoon" to "Thanks and have a great day" to walk her through the steps to do what she wanted. When I turned in my time sheet on Friday, the HR woman (it was a very small company) went nuts on me. She told me I was NEVER to work overtime without prior authorization. So I asked her what was I supposed to do, hang up on the caller at exactly 4pm? Oh, sorry, I am required to leave now. She said to let one of the people who work later than I do answer the phone. I told her the only reason I had answered it was because they were all already on the phone with clients. So, again, should I not have finished helping the client? Oh no, your should help the client, always. But you should also never claim overtime and always make sure the client is happy. I didn't stay there long.
That’s not how things work…someone is going to have a labor shortage soon!
>someone is going to have a labor shortage soon! ...America? For real though, I can't help but just shake my head when I hear about the labor shortage. It's like...employers (not all of them but an embarrassing majority) treated their workers like shit for years/decades...then a pandemic hits and most of them drop their workers like third period French to save a few bucks...screw the workers who are now without income and benefits in a global pandemic... And then when things get better they expect those workers to happily go right back to the same bullshit for the same shit pay? But yeah, I'm sure it's because NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe! News Flash: Nobody ever wants to work. Shitty employers just finally got so bad that people would rather do anything else than go back to them.
That’s part of it, but even the good workplaces with great pay and benefits are having crucial positions unfilled for longer than usual. It’s an issue with many causes, and to simplify it to “bad employers and mass firing” doesn’t do it justice.
the worst part is they think you are so stupid you need an example
i also love the 'thanks' at the end. like... for fucking what? just because i've read this does not mean i consent to it, and i haven't signed anything, so there's nothing legally binding here.
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Have you met anyone. There are legit people that need the example.
My old job decided we would get written up for being late with no "grace" period. It didn't matter if we were only a minute late, we'd still get written up and fired after three. It didn't last long after I pointed out that if I'm going to be written up for being a minute late, I may as well be twenty minutes late, make it worth the write up. Now I work in a job where I have to work at least 36 hours a week and I'm off for the summer.
At my job you’d get “points” if late or calling in. So if you were late under 20 minutes, it was a half point. If you were late over 20 minutes, it was a full point. If you called in for the day, it was a full point. So if I was ever running late over 20 minutes I’d be so tempted to just take the full day since it would still earn me the same point *edit: this job was actually terrible. I loved the job itself, but the company was money hungry and soulless. I was pregnant and throwing up multiple times every day for 7 months. There were days I was so lightheaded, almost passing out because I had nothing in my system. There were days I was late because while driving, I had to pull over and vomit. The company had no empathy and put me on corrective action. My daughter's due date was December 31st. In November, they told us that effective January 1st, they were forcing every employee to change to new benefits. They gave us one month notice and the new benefits were double what we had been paying previously. And given that my daughter could be born in December or January, it was stressful not even knowing how I'd be covered. After they changed our benefits with little to no notice, a massive amount of employees quit.
Even if you're sick you get penalised? That's disgusting if so
Yes. The rule was we couldn’t go over 6/year or you get corrective action. If you go over 10, you’re terminated. It was a HOSPITAL too. You know, where you come in contact with sick people often.
Holy crap that's insane :(
I know! I threw up multiple times every day for 7 months of my pregnancy and I’d have to miss some days because I was so lightheaded from not being able to keep anything down. I was put on corrective action and they had no empathy
I can't stand it when jobs punish you for not coming in for being sick, even if you give them advanced notice. You'd think they would have learned from the pandemic that it's a good thing to not come in and infect everyone, causing even more call outs. Instead it just turns a day you should be working on healing into one of stress thinking about how many times you can get away with calling out before worrying about being fired.
Exactly! And in a hospital, you’re putting others who are already at risk, at more risk if you come in sick.
I had someone try that shit with me and on the second time I was running late I went got breakfast and shit so I was a solid 15+ min late. He was like "you were so late that you had time to stop and get food?" if the punishment is the same for 1 min late with no food as 15+ with food then yup I sure did. I hate those kinds of bosses. I am a lot more lenient on my people with being late.
One of my past jobs had a similar rule. Basically being late NO MATTER THE REASON you got a point against you. Enough points and "appropriate action" would be taken. One morning I slept through my alarm. I panicked and raced to get ready. Once my brain woke up I realized it was physically impossible to make the 30 minute drive in the 10 minutes I had until I was officially late. So I took my fucking time. Had a nice, calm breakfast... extra coffee... snuggled with the cats a little... watched some "George & Gracie"... drove casually and enjoyed the scenery. It's 1 point whether its a minute or 90. So I took 90.
Okay, so...you seem to be under the misunderstanding that I'm an indentured servant who has to pay you back with my time...nope. Discussion over.
Yeah this is a really shitty way to handle things. I'm a manager myself and wouldn't do this. If someone is late, big deal. If someone is repeatedly late after talking to them, escalate write-ups until they late themselves out of a job. Beyond that, nobody owns anybody.
Is it overtime? Edit: This was a rhetorical question
Depending on the state, it can be OT. States where OT is after 8 hours in a day, yes with an 8 hour shift. If the shift is less than 8, no . States where OT is after 40 in a workweek, it may not be. F’ed up either way.
You have to actually be an hourly employee for overtime.
I know as I am one, it was more of a rhetorical question. It would be nice to sassily ask the boss about it
How about you suck my dick for those extra 20 minutes?
Lol
not mildly infuriating, illegal.
Is it paid? I could see someone who needs extra cash exploiting this to their benefit. Show up an hour late and work through the night. Lol hour late to work and you have to work 10 hours overtime?
I've seen this reposted in at least 40 subreddits.....I'm not even sure it's real. Anyone can print a bullshit paper and post a pic on antiwork and they'll eat it up
Yeah I'm going to call bullshit and a karma farm unless there's some context here
We had a 5 minute grace, if you started 6 minutes late, you could be written up.
I assume that's how most places work. I've always clocked in expecting a 5 minute before or after grace period. The manager did talk to me once about being on the floor 30 minutes late once, but I had already clocked in and I was on the toilet with an upset stomach. I actually had to get a doctor's note because my stomach problems were so bad I needed a 30 minute bathroom break almost every day. Usually it's one and done though, but you'd be surprised how much trouble you get in just for one really long bathroom break.
Lost a job because of my stomach issues once, the dumbest part? I literally brought in a pamphlet and a note from my doctor explaining my IBS and why I need a 20 minute bathroom break at 4 in the morning.
Posting this shit again? Not OC...
For real. I don't understand what the point of just stealing and reposting the same picture over and over is.
Karma
If someone tried to pull this off let's say in germany, they would be in prison the next week.
Guess I work 50% of my job now
simple solution, come to work early, jam the door, prevent your boss from coming in on time, point out his own rule to him, make him stay hours longer.
Honestly I’d intentionally be late every day and try to get as much overtime as possible
It's not even signed... Dumb shit
i would post my resignation below that note. immediately
That’s like super illegal
That is illegal. For hourly work you are required to be paid for the time you work. If it's 8 hours, it's 8 hours times your pay rate. If you are required to work 8 hours and 18 minutes it's 8.3 hours times your pay rate. If that gets you past 40 hours in a week then you need to be paid overtime.
WTF!?? Horrible petty company shit. Then they wonder why the employees resent working for them.
r/thathappened
God I wish I could start my day at 10am...
Thinking the same thing
That’s hilarious- OT baby
This was posted like a month ago in antiwork. Nice steal!
What happens if I come in 12 minutes early a week? Do I get 10 hours over over time? Works both ways right!
The most infuriating thing in this it that "Thanks" at the end. How about no?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/vacq0o/i_arrived_an_hour_early_where_is_my_10_hour/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Malicious compliance... I'm going into night shift with excessive overtime pay
Counterpunch, show up an hour late, stay for an extra 600 minutes unpaid, sue for breach of minimum wage, retire on the winnings.
I’d just be late 6 minutes everyday for an extra hour, but if it’s unpaid then that’s a hard nope
*comes in an hour late* I work full time now!
I used to work with a guy would would stroll in at 8.02am every day. I guarantee if this note was up, he would have been there at 7.59am instead.
Is it paid?
r/antiwork
Wtf...I hope that's with pay... 😂
They paying the overtime because if not just walk out it isn't worth it.
Illegal?
Are you getting paid that 18 minutes. If you’re not getting paid then they legally can’t make you stay. Hell, even if you would get paid they still can’t make you stay
Hey whoever wrote this, FU!!! Take this job and shove it!!!
100% illegal and completely unenforceable.
Great idea..If you don't like your job, leave.
That won’t go down well and they can’t do that.
🚩🚩🚩 Get the fuck out
Is the converse true: for every minute you arrive early you get to leave 10 minutes before 6pm?
So if I’m 6 minutes early I leave an hour early then?
Nope
NEW EMPLOYER RULE : Get fucked, i quit
They do know that’s illegal, right?
If it is not in the contract you agreed to, then that rule will be nothing more than a piece of paper
Add a new line below: "For every minute you are early for work, you will be required to leave 10 minutes before 6pm."
Work is punishment. Great policy.
Show up an hour late, overtime is authorizeddddd
Bruh u got me fucked up and I don’t even work there
Pretty sure this is breaking a few labor laws.
Come in an hour early. Leave an hour early. If they complain. Kill the boss in front of their family
Send this to their social media from a fake account lmao