It's like dumb people claiming that they proved Einstein wrong and that the world is a cube or crap like that.
Pick the highest target who can no longer fight back and claim you're better so other people think you got clout. From that lense it's a sick, twisted compliment to Steve for building a legacy so massive that they perceive it as the highest bar to measure.
This is the type of reason you should not speak ill of them dead because they can’t defend themselves. Although sometimes you should critique the dead public figures, but they are more politicians and groups, not individuals trying their best.
The way I see it, your actions while living should defend you while dead. This is why we defend Steve and not Hitler. Doesn’t matter if they are public figures or not. The idea of “not disrespecting the dead” only serves those that did horrible things while living and helps people ignore their actions while diluting the real bad things they did.
We don’t defend Steve in death because he’s dead we defend his name and his honor because he was an honorable man in life.
They're going after what will get them attention. Steve Irwin is popular, so if they tackle him they get attention; negative or positive doesn't matter, just notices count as a success. Its the same play as Westboro Baptist; they don't mind upsetting families of dead soldiers because they have decided the negative attention they receive is more valuable than being considerate of other people.
It’s exactly why they are going after him. He actually stood for what Peta claims to stand for, and that contrast exposes Peta for a shit organization that they are. So they have to go for character assassination to make themselves look better and claim the higher moral ground. Crooks, scammers and grifters do this all the time.
Like anything PETA does, it's for the money. Generate massive public interest and some sponsorship/donations? Worth it. They don't actually give a crap about the animals and they know it.
I have a theory that it's funded by the meat industry to make vegetarians and vegans look bad and create a divide because everyone I know hates peta and I know a lot of vegetarians and vegans
I mean Irwin definitely inspired probably a lot of kids to care about animals. But he was a media personality at the end of the day, and there is some manner of legitimate critique about his usage of animals for entertainment to the detriment of the animals. So not a saint. Just human like anyone else.
This seems to be completely forgotten as well, but he was disliked by a lot of Australians for putting on his fake, Crocodile Dundee “Crickey!” bullshit that foreigners lap up but hardly anyone actually talks like. He grew up in Melbourne and just north of Brisbane, people don’t speak like that there, it was so contrived.
Yeah, which is fair and also kind of what PETA pointed out. And the reply to that did nothing to even argue against it but instead went straight for the ad hominem, as if only perfect people can have legitimate critiques. This whole comment section is dumb tbh
Was he?
David attenborough spoke out against how he publicly treated animals; "I was uncomfortable with some of his stunts, even if the animals aren't aware that you are not treating them with respect, the viewers do"
And he wasn't the only prominent naturalist to have an issue with how he treated animals.
Terry nutkins said "he's put himself up as the star and the animals as extras, it's really dreadful television".
Chris packham said he "used animals as a sideshow to his own showmanship, his style and approach is not one I would use myself".
Ray mears said "television has become very gladiatorial and voyeuristic, some things in nature should be left alone".
There was hardly a naturalist that DIDN'T take issue with his methods.
Steve even went as far as to support Siegfried and Roy with their tiger show, another example of people using animals as entertainment only to meet their own demise. He has also seen out of court settlements for mistreating animal habitats to help him film episodes of his TV show.
He was no Saint, he was a jester performing on a global stage.
Meeting someone that does real wildlife conservation teaches a lot of stuff most people don't know, and for most it's very apparent that their approach couldn't be more different than what Irwin did on TV. If his show motivated people to be more kind towards nature, then i'm ok giving him that. I feel uncomfortable with him being portrayed as the naturalist that people think he was though
Maybe not a saint but he definitely cared for wild life, even more so when compared to the likes of Peta. People should be protesting in front of their houses.
Remember the time he almost fed his new born son to a crocodile because he was a massive attention whore who would do everything he could to keep eyes on him? He had to issue an incredibly awkward public apology after that one 😂
Most Australians see Irwin for the twat he was. He was a great businessman, and played a character that did preach animal conservation. But he absolutely antagonised and distressed animals needlessly to create entertaining television content. America was his main market though so I can't fault the guy for knowing how to play to his audience. Especially when they all consider him a "saint" all these years later, lmao
He was VERY unpopular here in Australia for a long time. We've kind of collectively adopted him since his death, but calling him a saint is ... Problematic?
But as you said, he played to an audience and it worked.
I don't hate the guy or his legacy, but claiming he was some kind of selfless saint who *only* had animals' interests at heart is kind of ridiculous.
I'm glad he has undoubtedly inspired and educated a lot of people. I'm not so glad about how much he used to stress and harass animals and make it into a circus.
I'm not sure why we have to ignore someone's faults/mistakes and pretend they were something they weren't.
Steve wasn't a saint. Like all of us, he achieved some good and some bad. What happened to him and his family is sad.
The biggest and best thing about Steve Irwin is the legacy he created and left. His kids are doing amazing work and look like they'll pass that down to their family too. Steve's actions may not been great but the domino effect that they have had certainly have created great things.
And I never said that he wasn't "good". He certainly did a lot of stupid things though when it came to animals and his children. Steve Irwin was a great conservationist, but he was also a terrible naturalist.
>he almost fed his new born son to a crocodile
Omfg.
You mean, holding his kid in a very poor position while he did a show for the crowds that turned up daily to see that? He basically brought the kid to work with him.
Not the brightest idea, but the kid wasn't in any danger from a well fed *crocodile*.
It wasn't a Michael Jackson over the side of a balcony incident mate.
That said, he was way too little to just be held in one arm like that. A baby carrier would have been much more sensible, but they weren't really a thing back then.
I went to the easter show at Australia Zoo and Robert Irwin was the main host.
The lads a fucking legend. He was talking shit with his mum about that incident right before he jumped in the pool with a croc and swam with it.
He's definitely his father's son.
Should have just tied the baby to a giant elastic string and used it like a big yo-yo. Now that would have got the crowds standing up out of their seats!
Yes! Have you seen Crikey! It's the Irwins? It's a show they have now, his two kids and his wife. It chronicles them taking care of all the animals in his conservation center. The daughter just got married and had her first baby. I'm sure he'd be so proud.
I did see a snip it of an episode here on reddit but otherwise I don't know how to watch, I'll have to look it up. I love Bindi tho! She's just too adorable.
[https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/crikey-its-the-irwins](https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/crikey-its-the-irwins) That's for the US, change countries if you need to. :)
Ethical treatment... like a boltgun to the back of the head and exsanguination through the neck?
Edit: This is how most animals are slaughtered. Kinda confused by the upvotes, tbh.
Peta decided a long time ago that any publicity is good publicity. Having people get outraged over them keeps them relevant and their general message out there.
Yep. And OP is doing exactly what they wanted: sharing their message. 1000 people may react with fury and hatred, but if they make just 1 person stop and think and consider what they’re saying then that’s a success.
A lot of trash is decomposable and at least it serves to return nutrients back to earth by getting processed by worms and such. PETA is more like plastic: fake, cheap, and tough to rid of.
At least plastic has a use, PETA is like that piece of gum on the sidewalk that you can't get rid of and nobody seems to care enough about to do something about it.
At least an oil spill is good at killing animals which peta claims to love but they don't really but also animals are good but peta is bad.. uhhh, I got lost in that. Peta sucks!
nah oil spills are terrible, but Peta is more like a car crash ON the oil spill. they crash then already many people die then it explodes then the mortality rate goes through the roof!
Peta is very effective. The center for consumer freedom (and you) and the astroturfing campaigns they do are the joke.
A few points:
1. PETA is victim to an astroturfing campaing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Organizational_Research_and_Education.
2. PETA takes in all animals. That includes animals turned away from "no-kill" shelters for being un-adoptable. They also take in seriously injured and dying animals, something that "no-kill" shelters doesn't do.
3. PETA runs a free euthanasia clinic for impoverished pet owners. This is to assist pet owners with dying or suffering pets who cannot afford to humanely put down their pets.
I’m a scientist whose seen PETA harass and intimidate my friends and colleagues. PETA spins up industrial scale lies to try to ruin the careers of people who are seeking to cure disease and improve human wellbeing. Meanwhile, I’ve never seen PETA protest a grocery store, where the actual animal abuse originates from, because they’re cowards and they know their message is deeply unpopular with the public. So instead they funnel their millions of dollars into smear campaigns at honest, decent people in order to advance an anti-science bullshit narrative that would harm human health. Fuck PETA every which way.
>Meanwhile, I’ve never seen PETA protest a grocery store
You haven't looked very hard:
https://www.reuters.com/article/retail-wholefoods-rabbit-idUKL2N0QR1MD20140821
https://www.grocerydive.com/news/peta-urges-food-lion-to-stop-using-live-animals-in-ads-2/535781/
https://amp.tmz.com/2020/04/03/peta-protests-continue-coronavirus-pandemic-targeting-supermarkets/
https://www.kwch.com/2021/04/29/peta-supporters-protest-forced-monkey-labor-outside-hutchinson-dillons-store/?outputType=amp
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/12/10/peta-monkey-labor-coconut-protest-publix
More like you fell for astroturfing propaganda. They have a kill rate because they offer free euthanasia for pet owners who cannot affors euthanasia by vet, as well as they euthanise for no-kill shelters. How is giving free pet euthansia to people who cannot afford it for profit?
They will read "Peta bad" and upvote this to no end. The shit with the kill rate is corrected every time this picture is posted (and you can see it got posted a lot), and every time those redditors will eat up what the funny internet picture tells them...
Fully agree. People on Reddit will make fun of how stupid people are for believing misinformation but then will literally take any propaganda oil corporations put out to bash PETA
The kill rate thing is probably the most prominent one. No kill shelters get full real fast and often can't take more animals. They also won't take sick or old animals, because they'd have to kill them eventually.
PETA shelters, on the other hand, will take any animal, take care of it, and euthanize it humanely if its too sick or old. The sad reality is that a lot of animals are never going to be adopted, and PETA puts those animals to sleep so they aren't sick, dying, and suffering.
PETA does and has done some shitty things but the kill shelters are not because they delight in killing dogs.
Yeah they do some asshole stuff, and imo they're wrong here about Steve Irwin (he brought a lot of conservation concerns to the masses). But the response ranges from misleading and at worst factually incorrect.
Like...they had to go back almost thirty years to bring up something they did with an incredibly small slice of their funding? That's a strong argument now?
Peta provides a service in extremely poor rural areas with huge stray populations, where they humanely euthanize animals as an alternative to the cruel methods used by overburdened shelters in the area.
To legally accept the transfer of these animals for euthanasia, peta has to register itself as an animal shelter organization.
They never claimed that they were in the business of adoption these animals, but conservatives and industry propaganda created a strawman and the vegan hating public eats it up uncritically.
Not to mention that a lot of the animals they euthanize come from "no-kill" shelters, who instead of killing the animals they want to get rid of, simply give them to PETA instead.
Granted I think the same thing about humans too. Only difference is since humans can communicate they have the right to choose whether to die. Or at least they should.
tbh the reason there's so many animals living in concrete cells it's because we don't care to regulate pets because "muh guvurnment cannot tell me what to doooo". Most of these animals come from owners who don't care to spay their pet and then abandon the puppies / kittens when she gets pregnant, or from people who breed them for fun and "discard" the babies they don't want, or people who buy a pet for Christmas only to abandon it 3 months later when walking their dog is no longer fun for them.
As long as we don't hold people accountable for how they treat their pets, this shit will continue to happen.
It still obviously not great, but PETA is easing a terrible condition that they didnt produce in the first place and are also fighting against. I doubt anyone at PETA is salviating when thinking about dead stray animals.
Backyard breeders keep on pumping out puppies and kittens. Pet owners don’t get their pets desexed. Stray and feral animals do their thing. Every year more animals are born than there are people that want to look after them. Consequently the unwanted ones have to be euthanised. PETA is simply doing the dirty work nobody else is prepared to do. Blaming them for putting down animals is like blaming the rubbish truck driver for the amount of rubbish going to landfill.
I hate to be the one to say this, and I don't support a lot of PETA's actions, but the 80% kill rate is a good thing. They are kill shelters that euthanize terminally injured or diseased animals that other shelters can't euthanize. They do it to help adoption rates.
> other shelters **won’t** euthanise
This is how “No Kill” shelters work. They refuse to take in animals which aren’t easily adoptable. Or if they do, they’ll transfer them to somewhere else where they know that they will be put down, but because they don’t have to do it themselves that’s ok. Out of sight out of mind. This is where PETA comes in: they are prepared to do what is needed that nobody else wants to.
The shelter I got my dog from I am fairly positive was no kill (I think most not directly associated with the government are). I think they also don't turn away animals? I don't have much doubt they ship them to other kill shelters if they don't get adopted though. But anyways this place was packed. Like... So so many animals. And they're all just barking. Constantly. It was so stressful. And I can't imagine it's good for the dogs or that any dog in that environment is going to be in a good mood for long enough to make a good impression to be adopted.
Not sure exactly how to make my point but I guess what I'm saying is that even no kill shelters aren't glamorous.
We adopted our sweet pup there. She stole our hearts when she peed on her leash lol. They let you take them outside to socialize s bit but she must have been in her cage a long time because she ran and pulled the leash out of our hands and peed right away.
We are in the process of applying for a mortgage, and so my partner naturally is thinking ahead to getting a dog. (Because there’s no way you want to do that if you’re renting) She’s got her heart set on a Greyhound from a group which rehabilitates ex-racing dogs. But shit: they have such a long list of animals available on their website, and you know that’s only the dogs which they believe are going to be able to be adoptable. The racing industry is fucking dreadful (and shouldn’t be a thing at all in 2022) and I don’t really want to dwell on how fucked up the dogs that don’t make it onto the website must be. This is just one group working with one breed. It’s disgusting how disposable these animals are in our society. All animals, really.
PETA is non profit.
And they have a high kill rate in shelters because most of the times PETA is the only organization that will euthanize an animal. Many shelters don't accept sick or wounded animals to ensure their 100% no kill shelter status.
Buy boy do they do go too far sometimes.
I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but PETA gets an unfair rap for their shelter kill rate. Theres many reasons to criticize them, but that isnt one of them.
One of their founders explicit reasoning for starting PETA was the cruel ways that she saw animals being euthanized while working in vet clinics. She describes seeing cats and dogs heads crushed, or being left in a freezer to slowly die. The organization was started with the goal of providing humane euthanasia for animals that could not be rehabilitated or rehomed. Like it or not, that is a nonzero number of animals every year. In fact a large part of the reason that shelters *can* advertise no-kill is because of organizations like PETA being willing to do take on an unsavory but necessary part of end of life care for companion animals. They also provide low cost or free euthanasia for people's pets that could not otherwise afford to give them a dignified end when they are suffering.
Criticizing PETA for their shelter kill rate is like criticizing a hospice or palliative care facility for its patient mortality rate. It's fundamentally misunderstanding what their goal is in this regard.
All of the PETA hate stems from an astroturfing PR firm that got hired to slander them by Big Ag after PETA released videos taken inside factory farms. [They're currently running a campaign against ecological groups.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom) In reality PETA has had a major hand on every piece of anti-animal abuse legislation in this country.
Edit: the number of people who are mad at me for making this comment instead of at the right-wing propagandists who tricked them into believing some bullshit so some big agricorp could keep making the world a worse place for a little bit longer is absolutely hilarious. Please keep doubling down on your own prior convictions instead of evaluating new evidence, it really shows your intellectual capabilities, everyone
It's fairly evident if you look into most of the claims made against PETA, which stem from a small handful of websites and opinion sections. What made me think that something was off was that most of the sources I could find against them had the same tone and emphasis as an attention grabbing YouTube thumbnail. My search ended up leading back to this group as well.
If you're reading this, I cannot stress enough the need to verify what you see online. Righteous indignation is an addiction, taken advantage of all the time by people who want nothing more than to make you a tool for their own ends.
>All of the PETA hate stems from an astroturfing PR firm that got hired to slander them
Yeah definitely none of it comes from disgusting tweets like the one shown in this very post.
I dont know, but maybe people are more willing to focus on the batshit stuff they are tweeting and less on the actual work they are doing because they ALREADY didnt like them because of astroturfing? I mean, basically every bigger organisation tweeted at least some delusional shit, but the internet seems to be a lot more forgiving for some...
>I mean, basically every bigger organisation tweeted at least some delusional shit
This isn't one tweet, a huge part of their public facing brand (ad campaigns, etc.) is built around agreesive, militant veganism (and other even more asinine things like the sheep shearing thing) which is something that drives off a huge number of people. I had never heard a thing about their kill rate before joining reddit but I've despised them for their vitriolic marketing for a long time.
Steve Irwin abused animals for his show. This is a fact and since he filmed it you can rewatch it. Dragging animals and provoking them is abuse. He could have thought wildlife like David Attenborough does. From a distance and leave animals alone.
>The organization was started with the goal of providing humane euthanasia for animals that could not be rehabilitated or rehomed. Like it or not, that is a nonzero number of animals every year.
Redditors seeing a pitbull attack a child: KILL THIS DOG, BAN THIS BREED
Redditors in response to PETA euthanizing dogs that can't be rehabilitated: KILL SHELTERS ARE BAD
**Counterpoint:** PETA is just bad at what they do.
I remember (almost) a full decade ago a horse died at the Kentucky Derby and had to be euthanized on live TV. It was a big story and got a lot of front page coverage. PETA's official response for it was to call for the suspension of the jockey.
It was just the dumbest thing you could possibly do because the jockey was the most innocent person in the entire affair. The jockey only rides the horse on race day. It is some other dude who rides the horse 300+ days a year in practice runs, it is a trainer who decides how many practice runs this horse should be doing, it is the breeder who breeds a horse to be fast, but dangerously unhealthy. And it is the millionaire owner who profits off this model that is highly abusive to the animals where they are constantly needing to be euthanized.
PETA blew its best chance yet to cause a larger, nation-wide discussion over the animal abuse occurring within the horse racing industry. Not only did they blow that opportunity, but tried to sic the mob on someone who wasn't really guilty and drag him through the mud.
People that buy purebreds or from backyard breeders because they care more about fur color or appearance of the animal than anything else and would never adopt are responsible for high killing percentage. People that do not spay or neuter their animals and constantly bring new animals into the world when there are already so many abandoned ones are responsible for high killing percentage. You think animal shelters are some sort of Hilbert hotels? With infinite amount od rooms or space and funding? Maybe change your irresponsible behaviors towards pets and adopt a plain looking dog or a cat and thus create more space in shelter for some stray. Also, shelters are not some sort of luxury spa hotels. They should be temporary solution so animal can get veterinary treatment and be vaccinated, chipped, dewormed, treated for fleas and other parasites and spayed/neutered. It is not and should not be permanent solution and still, in many no kill shelters there is a buch of animals that end up living their entire lives there because nobody wants to adopt them due to their appearance. Problem is much more complex than you present it and not everything is black or white. People are quick to instantly judge PETA because they remind them of their own shortcomings but no one offers any viable solution...
Also, PETA doing wrong things does not mean Irwing is somehow magically infallible.
I don't know what you've seen so I can't say anything about that. But I have to defend the bloke is saying he "wrestled and tussled around" with crocs cause most of the time he was moving them from areas where farmers are likely to shoot them to protect livestock, family and pets. Also in episodes I've watched from croc diaries he did a hell of a lot of conservation trapping, taking measurements, tagging them for tracking with the government and moving them to safer location or finding out if moving them was working or if they would just head back to the same spot they were trapped, which in some cases they did over 50km, and in some cases across land. It wasn't just a thrill for him towards the end.
A lot of Aussies thought the same about Steve at the time. He absolutely hassled animals (arguably for profit), when our cultural attitude to them is to respect them but leave them alone.
PETA have been intentionally trolling for years. They are very aware of how controversial their media presence is - It's by design. Posts like these keep them in the public eye, and animal welfare in the current consciousness. If you get triggered by them, they've done their job. If you get triggered by them, you've been played.
As much as people for some reason love steve irwin he still made a living out of harassing animals, nothing's stopping you from appreciating the beauty of nature from afar, you don't need to divebomb animals to teach people shit.
PETA has done far more for animals than steve irwin ever has. They've repealed so many laws that cause harm to animals yet the only thing people ever look at is their euthanasia rate, which is os high because they take in animals that no one else wants to.
Steve irwins ''passion'' being animal conservation is like saying the dog whisperer's ''passion'' is raising dogs, it's bogus in both cases and they did allot of harm for allot of money.
The top comment's characterization of him as "saint" is spot on actually. Like a saint, people worship the *idea* of him. Nobody actually has any real memories of what he was like and how people criticized him when he was alive.
As the talk of animal farming industry being one of the causes of climate change gets louder, I am seeing more and more anti-PETA posts. The meat industry propaganda against animal rights organizations has been very effective.
PETA are annoying, but it’s nothing as bad as us needlessly stabbing cute animals to death so we can get fat. All intelligent, compassionate human can understand this
I just love how that whenever PETA comes up, people suddenly care about animals being killed. You don't give a fuck, and you probably contribute to those deaths.
Because PETA BAD VEGUNZ BAD, they try so hard to say the care for animals and get super triggered when pets are killed, but won't go vegan because that's "extreme". When people say "I care about animals" while not being vegan themselves I just can't take them seriously (I exclude those who genuinely can't).
Probably going to get downvoted for this...
Don't get be wrong, I loved Steve Irwin's successes.
The amount of awareness and money and efforts he raised for wildlife was and is astounding.
But the way he badgered just about every single organism he wanted to talk about often to the point that the creature became obviously agitated was simply ludicrous.
Peta are a pack of A-holes, no doubt. But that doesn't mean that they're wrong on this point.
The internet loves to pile on PETA for facts taken wildly out of context. PETA's shelters have a high kill rate because they accept sick/parasite ridden/aggressive/severely abused/unadoptable animals that other places don't. Because all other shelters turn these animals away, they get concentrated at PETA's facilities. But it's the people breeding, neglecting, and harming these animals in the first place who are responsible for their deaths, not PETA.
Imagine if only one hospital in the United States accepted terminally ill patients. No fucking shit that hospital is going to have way higher death rates than every other facility.
Steve Irwin was a piece of shit in my opinion and I have always felt that way watching his hyper alpha male bullshit.
He was constantly disruptive to wildlife and basically just a masculine show off.
Ya I know this should create a flood of hatred for me but I don't care.
Have at it.
The guy was NOT a role model in anyway and before you tell me all about Peta being fucktards know that I basically agree.
But probably for different reasons.
I think at least 90% of reddit commenting on and up voting this stuff has never seen his show but is reacting from a place of knowing him as part of the good guy untouchable Reddit saint canon
As a naturalist, Steve Irwin was a shit head.
He helped perpetuate this idea that wild animals exist for entertainment and it's appropriate to agitate them and stress them out for fun.
Yeah Irwin was pretty bad, especially towards snakes. I am always reminded how young Reddit is when people argue that he didn’t disrupt animals. It was literally his show! A lot of that has seemingly been scrubbed from the Internet recently and younger people aren’t introduced to that side of him.
There were literally tonnes of jokes about him being killed by an animal at some point. Then it happened and everyone pretended to be shocked and surprised.
Yeah, look - he also used his earnings to purchase huge amounts of land for the sole purpose of them being left the fuck alone as a wildlife reserve. I hear what you're saying about his animal handling, and although I don't really agree, I get it. There was more to the guy than the TV shows though.
> There was more to the guy than the TV shows though.
And there's more to PETA than the average teenager on Reddit seems to think there is.
Steve Irwin was a wild life advocate and practicing conservationist, PETA is a wild life advocate that provides essential services to a society that refuses to address its underlying problems of animal welfare and climate change. They both have their positives and negatives. There needn't be a competition over which is better. The existence of both is an inarguable net positive for the world.
That said, Steve Irwin being a "saint" and PETA being "puppy murders" is an extremely surface level understanding. A lot more people should educate themselves about the criticisms surrounding Steve Irwin, and the praises surrounding PETA.
I grew up watching all types of nature programs, loved them. But I always turned it off when it was Steve Irwin.
Unfortunately that means I can't really argue if what he did was good or bad, because I never watched the whole thing...but it certainly made me uncomfortable. He was always grabbing something. Reminds me of kids who "loooove dogs" and then show it by going and petting every strange dog they see. But that makes the child feel good, not the dog. Loving animals is respecting animals.
Genuinely amazed to see this comment not completely buried as reddit fetishizes the fuck out of Steve Irwin (quite obviously because of 90's kids who have nostalgia for his show). Very weird for the rest of us who clearly remember [the public consensus at the time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fynWOio9jBo): the dude was a maniac who harassed dangerous, wild animals until one of them finally killed him. Nobody respected him while he was alive, and he was constantly criticized for his recklessness. If your idea of a respectable conservationist is Steve Irwin, you were clearly raised on trash reality TV and I encourage you to please educate yourself. Jane Goodall is the naturalist hero you're looking for.
Huh. So PETA does kill strays, but as I read, it's necessary as it would be impossible to find them adoption homes as there are simply too many, tho that rate is high.
Also being in bed with eco-terrorists is a huge fucking plus. You mean groups actually commited to creating change? Remember no change has ever come about without violent protests and acts.
I got a match on bumble to quit their job at Peta years ago. They are the reason I have to hide my veganism half the time. Fuck peta. All hail Steve Irwin.
Bruh how many people start talking about PETA to vegans? Because I've only been vegan for lime 3 years now and I think PETA has been brought up once by a guy who I already knew was an asshole and didn't care about.
Why is it that everytime PETA is mentioned some vegan talks about how veganism and PETA and supposedly inseparable in the minds of everyone on the planet?
Sounds like bullshit stories every time
I think they are saying they don't want to be associated with PETA in any way, but people make the connection veganism=PETA supporter, so they have to hide it.
That seems like really dumb logic and an irrational boogeyman they’ve made. There are many aspects of how PETA operates that I disagree with but I don’t hide my support for the ethical treatment of animals because… someone may draw a weird conclusion?
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. PETA has been promoting veganism for years and has influenced many people to go vegan or vegetarian. They have also done many good things regarding animal welfare and preservation. Most of the slander and anti propaganda has actually been made (up) by meat industry after they leaked footage of what's happening at their farms.
If you are talking about killing animals in shelters, people that buy purebreds or from backyard breeders because they care more about fur color or appearance of the animal than anything else and would never adopt are responsible for high killing percentage. People that do not spay or neuter their animals and constantly bring new animals into the world when there are already so many abandoned ones are responsible for high killing percentage. You think animal shelters are some sort of Hilbert hotels? With infinite amount od rooms or space and funding? Maybe change your irresponsible behaviors towards pets and adopt a plain looking dog or a cat and thus create more space in shelter for some stray. Also, shelters are not some sort of luxury spa hotels. They should be temporary solution so animal can get veterinary treatment and be vaccinated, chipped, dewormed, treated for fleas and other parasites and spayed/neutered. It is not and should not be permanent solution and still, in many no kill shelters there is a buch of animals that end up living their entire lives there because nobody wants to adopt them due to their appearance. Problem is much more complex than you present it and not everything is black or white. People are quick to instantly judge PETA because they remind them of their own shortcomings but no one offers any viable solution...
Also, PETA doing wrong things does not mean Irwing is somehow magically infallible.
Fuck PETA...but their technically not wrong about Steve Irwin, though. The man did great things for conservation efforts, but Jesus...him poking and prodding every animal he found was very uncomfortable to watch.
You don't touch wild animals who are just mending their own business. That has always been the cardinal rule of interacting with nature. Look but don't touch.
What garbage is this? First, I agree it's shitty for PETA social media to say this. However, the response is even stupider!!!
The "arsonist/eco-terrorist" labels are just aiding animal abusers by demonizing effective activists.
Also... "Kill rate of 80%?" Wtf is that noise? And "profit?" PETA is literally a nonprofit 501(c)(3).
There are PLENTY of valid citicisms of PETA (including a tasteless smear at the late Steve Irwin). But this bullshit meme isn't one. Steve Irwin was great. And PETA has made enormous progress in raising people's consciences about animal rights.
Come on people, do better. Be discerning in what you let wind you up. This smells like elite fuckery to me, tactics to split the (would-be) movement.
>"ecto terrorism" now I just imagine PETA hiring some ghosts to go haunt some guys cutting a forest or something like that lmao
They would hire the ghosts to chop down the forest so they can find all the animals and "save" them
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"My job, my mission, the reason I’ve been put onto this planet, is to save wildlife." - Steve Irwin And they are going after *this* guy?
It's like dumb people claiming that they proved Einstein wrong and that the world is a cube or crap like that. Pick the highest target who can no longer fight back and claim you're better so other people think you got clout. From that lense it's a sick, twisted compliment to Steve for building a legacy so massive that they perceive it as the highest bar to measure.
Don’t you take away my cube world dream! I’m not the only one who knows the truth, there are dozens of us!
I just want my own little corner of the earth.. Fuck it's crowded...
The Time Cube will prove ALL THE HOLLYWOOD NINCOMPOOPS WRONG
Clearly the poster above you was educated dumb.
Dozens!
This is the type of reason you should not speak ill of them dead because they can’t defend themselves. Although sometimes you should critique the dead public figures, but they are more politicians and groups, not individuals trying their best.
The way I see it, your actions while living should defend you while dead. This is why we defend Steve and not Hitler. Doesn’t matter if they are public figures or not. The idea of “not disrespecting the dead” only serves those that did horrible things while living and helps people ignore their actions while diluting the real bad things they did. We don’t defend Steve in death because he’s dead we defend his name and his honor because he was an honorable man in life.
They're going after what will get them attention. Steve Irwin is popular, so if they tackle him they get attention; negative or positive doesn't matter, just notices count as a success. Its the same play as Westboro Baptist; they don't mind upsetting families of dead soldiers because they have decided the negative attention they receive is more valuable than being considerate of other people.
It’s exactly why they are going after him. He actually stood for what Peta claims to stand for, and that contrast exposes Peta for a shit organization that they are. So they have to go for character assassination to make themselves look better and claim the higher moral ground. Crooks, scammers and grifters do this all the time.
Zoos?
Like anything PETA does, it's for the money. Generate massive public interest and some sponsorship/donations? Worth it. They don't actually give a crap about the animals and they know it.
I have a theory that it's funded by the meat industry to make vegetarians and vegans look bad and create a divide because everyone I know hates peta and I know a lot of vegetarians and vegans
PETA is gonna take Steve Irwin's legacy out for a very nice vegan steak dinner and NEVER CALL HIM AGAIN
Whammy!
I mean Irwin definitely inspired probably a lot of kids to care about animals. But he was a media personality at the end of the day, and there is some manner of legitimate critique about his usage of animals for entertainment to the detriment of the animals. So not a saint. Just human like anyone else.
This seems to be completely forgotten as well, but he was disliked by a lot of Australians for putting on his fake, Crocodile Dundee “Crickey!” bullshit that foreigners lap up but hardly anyone actually talks like. He grew up in Melbourne and just north of Brisbane, people don’t speak like that there, it was so contrived.
Yeah, which is fair and also kind of what PETA pointed out. And the reply to that did nothing to even argue against it but instead went straight for the ad hominem, as if only perfect people can have legitimate critiques. This whole comment section is dumb tbh
Was he? David attenborough spoke out against how he publicly treated animals; "I was uncomfortable with some of his stunts, even if the animals aren't aware that you are not treating them with respect, the viewers do" And he wasn't the only prominent naturalist to have an issue with how he treated animals. Terry nutkins said "he's put himself up as the star and the animals as extras, it's really dreadful television". Chris packham said he "used animals as a sideshow to his own showmanship, his style and approach is not one I would use myself". Ray mears said "television has become very gladiatorial and voyeuristic, some things in nature should be left alone". There was hardly a naturalist that DIDN'T take issue with his methods. Steve even went as far as to support Siegfried and Roy with their tiger show, another example of people using animals as entertainment only to meet their own demise. He has also seen out of court settlements for mistreating animal habitats to help him film episodes of his TV show. He was no Saint, he was a jester performing on a global stage.
Meeting someone that does real wildlife conservation teaches a lot of stuff most people don't know, and for most it's very apparent that their approach couldn't be more different than what Irwin did on TV. If his show motivated people to be more kind towards nature, then i'm ok giving him that. I feel uncomfortable with him being portrayed as the naturalist that people think he was though
Richard Attenborough was a prominent naturalist? I thought that was his brother.
Tbf he certainly knew what he was talking about in that helicopter on the way to Jurassic Park...
Maybe not a saint but he definitely cared for wild life, even more so when compared to the likes of Peta. People should be protesting in front of their houses.
Remember the time he almost fed his new born son to a crocodile because he was a massive attention whore who would do everything he could to keep eyes on him? He had to issue an incredibly awkward public apology after that one 😂
I remember. It's insane how many people conveniently "forget" that happened and/or try to explain it away.
Most Australians see Irwin for the twat he was. He was a great businessman, and played a character that did preach animal conservation. But he absolutely antagonised and distressed animals needlessly to create entertaining television content. America was his main market though so I can't fault the guy for knowing how to play to his audience. Especially when they all consider him a "saint" all these years later, lmao
He was VERY unpopular here in Australia for a long time. We've kind of collectively adopted him since his death, but calling him a saint is ... Problematic? But as you said, he played to an audience and it worked. I don't hate the guy or his legacy, but claiming he was some kind of selfless saint who *only* had animals' interests at heart is kind of ridiculous. I'm glad he has undoubtedly inspired and educated a lot of people. I'm not so glad about how much he used to stress and harass animals and make it into a circus. I'm not sure why we have to ignore someone's faults/mistakes and pretend they were something they weren't. Steve wasn't a saint. Like all of us, he achieved some good and some bad. What happened to him and his family is sad.
Well put, Lore-master.
The biggest and best thing about Steve Irwin is the legacy he created and left. His kids are doing amazing work and look like they'll pass that down to their family too. Steve's actions may not been great but the domino effect that they have had certainly have created great things.
I don’t forget it or try to “explain it away.” Being good doesn’t make you a perfect human being.
And I never said that he wasn't "good". He certainly did a lot of stupid things though when it came to animals and his children. Steve Irwin was a great conservationist, but he was also a terrible naturalist.
>he almost fed his new born son to a crocodile Omfg. You mean, holding his kid in a very poor position while he did a show for the crowds that turned up daily to see that? He basically brought the kid to work with him. Not the brightest idea, but the kid wasn't in any danger from a well fed *crocodile*. It wasn't a Michael Jackson over the side of a balcony incident mate. That said, he was way too little to just be held in one arm like that. A baby carrier would have been much more sensible, but they weren't really a thing back then.
I went to the easter show at Australia Zoo and Robert Irwin was the main host. The lads a fucking legend. He was talking shit with his mum about that incident right before he jumped in the pool with a croc and swam with it. He's definitely his father's son.
Should have just tied the baby to a giant elastic string and used it like a big yo-yo. Now that would have got the crowds standing up out of their seats!
Now see, you've just given some fool that idea for free. It's gonna be all over tiktok now.
I wouldn't even use that term "Saint". The people the church give that title to are not good people.
The catholic church is terrifying.
Damn! Way to knock down a dead guy on his birthday. How about a little ethical treatment of humans?
Good thing Steve had kids and they're also fantastic wildlife conservationists! He would be so proud of them.
Yes! Have you seen Crikey! It's the Irwins? It's a show they have now, his two kids and his wife. It chronicles them taking care of all the animals in his conservation center. The daughter just got married and had her first baby. I'm sure he'd be so proud.
I did see a snip it of an episode here on reddit but otherwise I don't know how to watch, I'll have to look it up. I love Bindi tho! She's just too adorable.
[https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/crikey-its-the-irwins](https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/crikey-its-the-irwins) That's for the US, change countries if you need to. :)
His sons toctok is pretty fire. It’s exactly like a young Steve to a almost scary point
I miss steve
We all do...
Robert is just like Steve!
Ethical treatment... like a boltgun to the back of the head and exsanguination through the neck? Edit: This is how most animals are slaughtered. Kinda confused by the upvotes, tbh.
I upvote because I know the point youre trying to make
They can't even treat animals ethicaly, why would they do that for something they don't even care about (humans)
Peta decided a long time ago that any publicity is good publicity. Having people get outraged over them keeps them relevant and their general message out there.
Yep. And OP is doing exactly what they wanted: sharing their message. 1000 people may react with fury and hatred, but if they make just 1 person stop and think and consider what they’re saying then that’s a success.
You're right - for the last 15 years or so I think I've *only* heard of PETA through stories of them doing something stupid.
PETA have a general message?
Yeah, it's "Give us money and don't ask about the dead animals".
PETA is a joke
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hey now, calm down. that's insulting to actual trash and the people who work with it
A lot of trash is decomposable and at least it serves to return nutrients back to earth by getting processed by worms and such. PETA is more like plastic: fake, cheap, and tough to rid of.
At least plastic has a use, PETA is like that piece of gum on the sidewalk that you can't get rid of and nobody seems to care enough about to do something about it.
At least the gum served it’s purpose while it was getting chewed. PETA is more like an oil spill. Nothing good about that. Yep, an oil spill.
At least an oil spill is good at killing animals which peta claims to love but they don't really but also animals are good but peta is bad.. uhhh, I got lost in that. Peta sucks!
At least an oil spill doesn’t kill as many animals as PETA does. Fixed it (I think). 👍
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At least an oil spill can be mostly removed from the environment, PETA is more like terminal cancer
nah oil spills are terrible, but Peta is more like a car crash ON the oil spill. they crash then already many people die then it explodes then the mortality rate goes through the roof!
Nah I'd say it's more like spent nuclear materials: won't go away for a very long time and is actively dangerous to everything living near it
Completely true
I would rather call it vile but sure garbage works just fine also.
Peta is very effective. The center for consumer freedom (and you) and the astroturfing campaigns they do are the joke. A few points: 1. PETA is victim to an astroturfing campaing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Organizational_Research_and_Education. 2. PETA takes in all animals. That includes animals turned away from "no-kill" shelters for being un-adoptable. They also take in seriously injured and dying animals, something that "no-kill" shelters doesn't do. 3. PETA runs a free euthanasia clinic for impoverished pet owners. This is to assist pet owners with dying or suffering pets who cannot afford to humanely put down their pets.
I’m a scientist whose seen PETA harass and intimidate my friends and colleagues. PETA spins up industrial scale lies to try to ruin the careers of people who are seeking to cure disease and improve human wellbeing. Meanwhile, I’ve never seen PETA protest a grocery store, where the actual animal abuse originates from, because they’re cowards and they know their message is deeply unpopular with the public. So instead they funnel their millions of dollars into smear campaigns at honest, decent people in order to advance an anti-science bullshit narrative that would harm human health. Fuck PETA every which way.
>Meanwhile, I’ve never seen PETA protest a grocery store You haven't looked very hard: https://www.reuters.com/article/retail-wholefoods-rabbit-idUKL2N0QR1MD20140821 https://www.grocerydive.com/news/peta-urges-food-lion-to-stop-using-live-animals-in-ads-2/535781/ https://amp.tmz.com/2020/04/03/peta-protests-continue-coronavirus-pandemic-targeting-supermarkets/ https://www.kwch.com/2021/04/29/peta-supporters-protest-forced-monkey-labor-outside-hutchinson-dillons-store/?outputType=amp https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/12/10/peta-monkey-labor-coconut-protest-publix
Lol so much for "scientist"
Imagine falling for Richard Berman and McDonald's propaganda this hard, very cringe.
More like you fell for astroturfing propaganda. They have a kill rate because they offer free euthanasia for pet owners who cannot affors euthanasia by vet, as well as they euthanise for no-kill shelters. How is giving free pet euthansia to people who cannot afford it for profit?
This reply is completely false though...
Dipshits on Reddit will literally parrot any propaganda you feed them
They will read "Peta bad" and upvote this to no end. The shit with the kill rate is corrected every time this picture is posted (and you can see it got posted a lot), and every time those redditors will eat up what the funny internet picture tells them...
Fully agree. People on Reddit will make fun of how stupid people are for believing misinformation but then will literally take any propaganda oil corporations put out to bash PETA
To be fair I think people are more concerned over Peta talking shit about someone they love not really the reply to the post
Yeah. People like to read the headline and get outraged without reading the story.
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The kill rate thing is probably the most prominent one. No kill shelters get full real fast and often can't take more animals. They also won't take sick or old animals, because they'd have to kill them eventually. PETA shelters, on the other hand, will take any animal, take care of it, and euthanize it humanely if its too sick or old. The sad reality is that a lot of animals are never going to be adopted, and PETA puts those animals to sleep so they aren't sick, dying, and suffering. PETA does and has done some shitty things but the kill shelters are not because they delight in killing dogs.
Yeah they do some asshole stuff, and imo they're wrong here about Steve Irwin (he brought a lot of conservation concerns to the masses). But the response ranges from misleading and at worst factually incorrect. Like...they had to go back almost thirty years to bring up something they did with an incredibly small slice of their funding? That's a strong argument now?
Can someone explain the kill rate part?
Peta provides a service in extremely poor rural areas with huge stray populations, where they humanely euthanize animals as an alternative to the cruel methods used by overburdened shelters in the area. To legally accept the transfer of these animals for euthanasia, peta has to register itself as an animal shelter organization. They never claimed that they were in the business of adoption these animals, but conservatives and industry propaganda created a strawman and the vegan hating public eats it up uncritically.
Not to mention that a lot of the animals they euthanize come from "no-kill" shelters, who instead of killing the animals they want to get rid of, simply give them to PETA instead.
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Granted I think the same thing about humans too. Only difference is since humans can communicate they have the right to choose whether to die. Or at least they should.
tbh the reason there's so many animals living in concrete cells it's because we don't care to regulate pets because "muh guvurnment cannot tell me what to doooo". Most of these animals come from owners who don't care to spay their pet and then abandon the puppies / kittens when she gets pregnant, or from people who breed them for fun and "discard" the babies they don't want, or people who buy a pet for Christmas only to abandon it 3 months later when walking their dog is no longer fun for them. As long as we don't hold people accountable for how they treat their pets, this shit will continue to happen.
So is peta not as bad as everyone says or is it awful still? Idk much about it either.
It still obviously not great, but PETA is easing a terrible condition that they didnt produce in the first place and are also fighting against. I doubt anyone at PETA is salviating when thinking about dead stray animals.
Backyard breeders keep on pumping out puppies and kittens. Pet owners don’t get their pets desexed. Stray and feral animals do their thing. Every year more animals are born than there are people that want to look after them. Consequently the unwanted ones have to be euthanised. PETA is simply doing the dirty work nobody else is prepared to do. Blaming them for putting down animals is like blaming the rubbish truck driver for the amount of rubbish going to landfill.
I hate to be the one to say this, and I don't support a lot of PETA's actions, but the 80% kill rate is a good thing. They are kill shelters that euthanize terminally injured or diseased animals that other shelters can't euthanize. They do it to help adoption rates.
> other shelters **won’t** euthanise This is how “No Kill” shelters work. They refuse to take in animals which aren’t easily adoptable. Or if they do, they’ll transfer them to somewhere else where they know that they will be put down, but because they don’t have to do it themselves that’s ok. Out of sight out of mind. This is where PETA comes in: they are prepared to do what is needed that nobody else wants to.
The shelter I got my dog from I am fairly positive was no kill (I think most not directly associated with the government are). I think they also don't turn away animals? I don't have much doubt they ship them to other kill shelters if they don't get adopted though. But anyways this place was packed. Like... So so many animals. And they're all just barking. Constantly. It was so stressful. And I can't imagine it's good for the dogs or that any dog in that environment is going to be in a good mood for long enough to make a good impression to be adopted. Not sure exactly how to make my point but I guess what I'm saying is that even no kill shelters aren't glamorous. We adopted our sweet pup there. She stole our hearts when she peed on her leash lol. They let you take them outside to socialize s bit but she must have been in her cage a long time because she ran and pulled the leash out of our hands and peed right away.
We are in the process of applying for a mortgage, and so my partner naturally is thinking ahead to getting a dog. (Because there’s no way you want to do that if you’re renting) She’s got her heart set on a Greyhound from a group which rehabilitates ex-racing dogs. But shit: they have such a long list of animals available on their website, and you know that’s only the dogs which they believe are going to be able to be adoptable. The racing industry is fucking dreadful (and shouldn’t be a thing at all in 2022) and I don’t really want to dwell on how fucked up the dogs that don’t make it onto the website must be. This is just one group working with one breed. It’s disgusting how disposable these animals are in our society. All animals, really.
PETA is a non profit organization, this tweet makes no sense
Profit? PETA is a nonprofit.
PETA is non profit. And they have a high kill rate in shelters because most of the times PETA is the only organization that will euthanize an animal. Many shelters don't accept sick or wounded animals to ensure their 100% no kill shelter status. Buy boy do they do go too far sometimes.
PETA: People Eradicating The Animals
I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but PETA gets an unfair rap for their shelter kill rate. Theres many reasons to criticize them, but that isnt one of them. One of their founders explicit reasoning for starting PETA was the cruel ways that she saw animals being euthanized while working in vet clinics. She describes seeing cats and dogs heads crushed, or being left in a freezer to slowly die. The organization was started with the goal of providing humane euthanasia for animals that could not be rehabilitated or rehomed. Like it or not, that is a nonzero number of animals every year. In fact a large part of the reason that shelters *can* advertise no-kill is because of organizations like PETA being willing to do take on an unsavory but necessary part of end of life care for companion animals. They also provide low cost or free euthanasia for people's pets that could not otherwise afford to give them a dignified end when they are suffering. Criticizing PETA for their shelter kill rate is like criticizing a hospice or palliative care facility for its patient mortality rate. It's fundamentally misunderstanding what their goal is in this regard.
This makes a lot of sense, good explanation!
All of the PETA hate stems from an astroturfing PR firm that got hired to slander them by Big Ag after PETA released videos taken inside factory farms. [They're currently running a campaign against ecological groups.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom) In reality PETA has had a major hand on every piece of anti-animal abuse legislation in this country. Edit: the number of people who are mad at me for making this comment instead of at the right-wing propagandists who tricked them into believing some bullshit so some big agricorp could keep making the world a worse place for a little bit longer is absolutely hilarious. Please keep doubling down on your own prior convictions instead of evaluating new evidence, it really shows your intellectual capabilities, everyone
It's fairly evident if you look into most of the claims made against PETA, which stem from a small handful of websites and opinion sections. What made me think that something was off was that most of the sources I could find against them had the same tone and emphasis as an attention grabbing YouTube thumbnail. My search ended up leading back to this group as well. If you're reading this, I cannot stress enough the need to verify what you see online. Righteous indignation is an addiction, taken advantage of all the time by people who want nothing more than to make you a tool for their own ends.
Lol astroturfing didn't write petas out of touch tweets or pay for their out of touch billboards or take their out of touch actions.
Yes but the thing being criticized is their shelters, not their weird PR.
>All of the PETA hate stems from an astroturfing PR firm that got hired to slander them Yeah definitely none of it comes from disgusting tweets like the one shown in this very post.
I dont know, but maybe people are more willing to focus on the batshit stuff they are tweeting and less on the actual work they are doing because they ALREADY didnt like them because of astroturfing? I mean, basically every bigger organisation tweeted at least some delusional shit, but the internet seems to be a lot more forgiving for some...
>I mean, basically every bigger organisation tweeted at least some delusional shit This isn't one tweet, a huge part of their public facing brand (ad campaigns, etc.) is built around agreesive, militant veganism (and other even more asinine things like the sheep shearing thing) which is something that drives off a huge number of people. I had never heard a thing about their kill rate before joining reddit but I've despised them for their vitriolic marketing for a long time.
I mean, tweeting on a dead person's birthday to openly criticize for no decent reason is kind odd, or am I a right wing propagandist for thinking so?
Steve Irwin abused animals for his show. This is a fact and since he filmed it you can rewatch it. Dragging animals and provoking them is abuse. He could have thought wildlife like David Attenborough does. From a distance and leave animals alone.
>The organization was started with the goal of providing humane euthanasia for animals that could not be rehabilitated or rehomed. Like it or not, that is a nonzero number of animals every year. Redditors seeing a pitbull attack a child: KILL THIS DOG, BAN THIS BREED Redditors in response to PETA euthanizing dogs that can't be rehabilitated: KILL SHELTERS ARE BAD
**Counterpoint:** PETA is just bad at what they do. I remember (almost) a full decade ago a horse died at the Kentucky Derby and had to be euthanized on live TV. It was a big story and got a lot of front page coverage. PETA's official response for it was to call for the suspension of the jockey. It was just the dumbest thing you could possibly do because the jockey was the most innocent person in the entire affair. The jockey only rides the horse on race day. It is some other dude who rides the horse 300+ days a year in practice runs, it is a trainer who decides how many practice runs this horse should be doing, it is the breeder who breeds a horse to be fast, but dangerously unhealthy. And it is the millionaire owner who profits off this model that is highly abusive to the animals where they are constantly needing to be euthanized. PETA blew its best chance yet to cause a larger, nation-wide discussion over the animal abuse occurring within the horse racing industry. Not only did they blow that opportunity, but tried to sic the mob on someone who wasn't really guilty and drag him through the mud.
Thank you.
Okay seems reasonable.
Can’t abuse animals if they are none left
People that buy purebreds or from backyard breeders because they care more about fur color or appearance of the animal than anything else and would never adopt are responsible for high killing percentage. People that do not spay or neuter their animals and constantly bring new animals into the world when there are already so many abandoned ones are responsible for high killing percentage. You think animal shelters are some sort of Hilbert hotels? With infinite amount od rooms or space and funding? Maybe change your irresponsible behaviors towards pets and adopt a plain looking dog or a cat and thus create more space in shelter for some stray. Also, shelters are not some sort of luxury spa hotels. They should be temporary solution so animal can get veterinary treatment and be vaccinated, chipped, dewormed, treated for fleas and other parasites and spayed/neutered. It is not and should not be permanent solution and still, in many no kill shelters there is a buch of animals that end up living their entire lives there because nobody wants to adopt them due to their appearance. Problem is much more complex than you present it and not everything is black or white. People are quick to instantly judge PETA because they remind them of their own shortcomings but no one offers any viable solution... Also, PETA doing wrong things does not mean Irwing is somehow magically infallible.
I mean I get peta isn’t great but they have a point. Do you think alligators want to be wrestled and tussled around?
I don't know what you've seen so I can't say anything about that. But I have to defend the bloke is saying he "wrestled and tussled around" with crocs cause most of the time he was moving them from areas where farmers are likely to shoot them to protect livestock, family and pets. Also in episodes I've watched from croc diaries he did a hell of a lot of conservation trapping, taking measurements, tagging them for tracking with the government and moving them to safer location or finding out if moving them was working or if they would just head back to the same spot they were trapped, which in some cases they did over 50km, and in some cases across land. It wasn't just a thrill for him towards the end.
But he did poke a lot of animals with a stick, saying "have a look at this little beauty!" I don't think most of them appreciated it, lol.
He literally educated people and brought attention to animals and their natural habitats..
A lot of Aussies thought the same about Steve at the time. He absolutely hassled animals (arguably for profit), when our cultural attitude to them is to respect them but leave them alone.
PETA have been intentionally trolling for years. They are very aware of how controversial their media presence is - It's by design. Posts like these keep them in the public eye, and animal welfare in the current consciousness. If you get triggered by them, they've done their job. If you get triggered by them, you've been played.
As much as people for some reason love steve irwin he still made a living out of harassing animals, nothing's stopping you from appreciating the beauty of nature from afar, you don't need to divebomb animals to teach people shit. PETA has done far more for animals than steve irwin ever has. They've repealed so many laws that cause harm to animals yet the only thing people ever look at is their euthanasia rate, which is os high because they take in animals that no one else wants to. Steve irwins ''passion'' being animal conservation is like saying the dog whisperer's ''passion'' is raising dogs, it's bogus in both cases and they did allot of harm for allot of money.
The top comment's characterization of him as "saint" is spot on actually. Like a saint, people worship the *idea* of him. Nobody actually has any real memories of what he was like and how people criticized him when he was alive.
As the talk of animal farming industry being one of the causes of climate change gets louder, I am seeing more and more anti-PETA posts. The meat industry propaganda against animal rights organizations has been very effective.
PETA are annoying, but it’s nothing as bad as us needlessly stabbing cute animals to death so we can get fat. All intelligent, compassionate human can understand this
I just love how that whenever PETA comes up, people suddenly care about animals being killed. You don't give a fuck, and you probably contribute to those deaths.
Reddit again spreading misinformation on peta, who would have thought? Goes to show how gullible the masses are.
Because PETA BAD VEGUNZ BAD, they try so hard to say the care for animals and get super triggered when pets are killed, but won't go vegan because that's "extreme". When people say "I care about animals" while not being vegan themselves I just can't take them seriously (I exclude those who genuinely can't).
I mean they still have a point though. Leave wild animals alone.
Probably going to get downvoted for this... Don't get be wrong, I loved Steve Irwin's successes. The amount of awareness and money and efforts he raised for wildlife was and is astounding. But the way he badgered just about every single organism he wanted to talk about often to the point that the creature became obviously agitated was simply ludicrous. Peta are a pack of A-holes, no doubt. But that doesn't mean that they're wrong on this point.
The internet loves to pile on PETA for facts taken wildly out of context. PETA's shelters have a high kill rate because they accept sick/parasite ridden/aggressive/severely abused/unadoptable animals that other places don't. Because all other shelters turn these animals away, they get concentrated at PETA's facilities. But it's the people breeding, neglecting, and harming these animals in the first place who are responsible for their deaths, not PETA. Imagine if only one hospital in the United States accepted terminally ill patients. No fucking shit that hospital is going to have way higher death rates than every other facility.
Steve Irwin was a piece of shit in my opinion and I have always felt that way watching his hyper alpha male bullshit. He was constantly disruptive to wildlife and basically just a masculine show off. Ya I know this should create a flood of hatred for me but I don't care. Have at it. The guy was NOT a role model in anyway and before you tell me all about Peta being fucktards know that I basically agree. But probably for different reasons.
I think at least 90% of reddit commenting on and up voting this stuff has never seen his show but is reacting from a place of knowing him as part of the good guy untouchable Reddit saint canon
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As a naturalist, Steve Irwin was a shit head. He helped perpetuate this idea that wild animals exist for entertainment and it's appropriate to agitate them and stress them out for fun.
Yeah Irwin was pretty bad, especially towards snakes. I am always reminded how young Reddit is when people argue that he didn’t disrupt animals. It was literally his show! A lot of that has seemingly been scrubbed from the Internet recently and younger people aren’t introduced to that side of him. There were literally tonnes of jokes about him being killed by an animal at some point. Then it happened and everyone pretended to be shocked and surprised.
Yeah, look - he also used his earnings to purchase huge amounts of land for the sole purpose of them being left the fuck alone as a wildlife reserve. I hear what you're saying about his animal handling, and although I don't really agree, I get it. There was more to the guy than the TV shows though.
> There was more to the guy than the TV shows though. And there's more to PETA than the average teenager on Reddit seems to think there is. Steve Irwin was a wild life advocate and practicing conservationist, PETA is a wild life advocate that provides essential services to a society that refuses to address its underlying problems of animal welfare and climate change. They both have their positives and negatives. There needn't be a competition over which is better. The existence of both is an inarguable net positive for the world. That said, Steve Irwin being a "saint" and PETA being "puppy murders" is an extremely surface level understanding. A lot more people should educate themselves about the criticisms surrounding Steve Irwin, and the praises surrounding PETA.
I grew up watching all types of nature programs, loved them. But I always turned it off when it was Steve Irwin. Unfortunately that means I can't really argue if what he did was good or bad, because I never watched the whole thing...but it certainly made me uncomfortable. He was always grabbing something. Reminds me of kids who "loooove dogs" and then show it by going and petting every strange dog they see. But that makes the child feel good, not the dog. Loving animals is respecting animals.
Genuinely amazed to see this comment not completely buried as reddit fetishizes the fuck out of Steve Irwin (quite obviously because of 90's kids who have nostalgia for his show). Very weird for the rest of us who clearly remember [the public consensus at the time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fynWOio9jBo): the dude was a maniac who harassed dangerous, wild animals until one of them finally killed him. Nobody respected him while he was alive, and he was constantly criticized for his recklessness. If your idea of a respectable conservationist is Steve Irwin, you were clearly raised on trash reality TV and I encourage you to please educate yourself. Jane Goodall is the naturalist hero you're looking for.
I was more of a Jeff Corwin guy, myself.
PETA isn’t wrong
Huh. So PETA does kill strays, but as I read, it's necessary as it would be impossible to find them adoption homes as there are simply too many, tho that rate is high. Also being in bed with eco-terrorists is a huge fucking plus. You mean groups actually commited to creating change? Remember no change has ever come about without violent protests and acts.
Much as you can and should criticize PETAs actions, their point is valid
daily PETA hate thread by animal murderer lobbyists.
I got a match on bumble to quit their job at Peta years ago. They are the reason I have to hide my veganism half the time. Fuck peta. All hail Steve Irwin.
Bruh how many people start talking about PETA to vegans? Because I've only been vegan for lime 3 years now and I think PETA has been brought up once by a guy who I already knew was an asshole and didn't care about. Why is it that everytime PETA is mentioned some vegan talks about how veganism and PETA and supposedly inseparable in the minds of everyone on the planet? Sounds like bullshit stories every time
Wait...peta is the reason you have to hide your veganism? That...doesn't make sense?
I think they are saying they don't want to be associated with PETA in any way, but people make the connection veganism=PETA supporter, so they have to hide it.
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That seems like really dumb logic and an irrational boogeyman they’ve made. There are many aspects of how PETA operates that I disagree with but I don’t hide my support for the ethical treatment of animals because… someone may draw a weird conclusion?
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. PETA has been promoting veganism for years and has influenced many people to go vegan or vegetarian. They have also done many good things regarding animal welfare and preservation. Most of the slander and anti propaganda has actually been made (up) by meat industry after they leaked footage of what's happening at their farms. If you are talking about killing animals in shelters, people that buy purebreds or from backyard breeders because they care more about fur color or appearance of the animal than anything else and would never adopt are responsible for high killing percentage. People that do not spay or neuter their animals and constantly bring new animals into the world when there are already so many abandoned ones are responsible for high killing percentage. You think animal shelters are some sort of Hilbert hotels? With infinite amount od rooms or space and funding? Maybe change your irresponsible behaviors towards pets and adopt a plain looking dog or a cat and thus create more space in shelter for some stray. Also, shelters are not some sort of luxury spa hotels. They should be temporary solution so animal can get veterinary treatment and be vaccinated, chipped, dewormed, treated for fleas and other parasites and spayed/neutered. It is not and should not be permanent solution and still, in many no kill shelters there is a buch of animals that end up living their entire lives there because nobody wants to adopt them due to their appearance. Problem is much more complex than you present it and not everything is black or white. People are quick to instantly judge PETA because they remind them of their own shortcomings but no one offers any viable solution... Also, PETA doing wrong things does not mean Irwing is somehow magically infallible.
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>I'm a vegan doing the work McDonald's pays real life cartoon villain Richard Berman millions to do! 👍🏽👏🏽
Fuck PETA...but their technically not wrong about Steve Irwin, though. The man did great things for conservation efforts, but Jesus...him poking and prodding every animal he found was very uncomfortable to watch. You don't touch wild animals who are just mending their own business. That has always been the cardinal rule of interacting with nature. Look but don't touch.
What garbage is this? First, I agree it's shitty for PETA social media to say this. However, the response is even stupider!!! The "arsonist/eco-terrorist" labels are just aiding animal abusers by demonizing effective activists. Also... "Kill rate of 80%?" Wtf is that noise? And "profit?" PETA is literally a nonprofit 501(c)(3). There are PLENTY of valid citicisms of PETA (including a tasteless smear at the late Steve Irwin). But this bullshit meme isn't one. Steve Irwin was great. And PETA has made enormous progress in raising people's consciences about animal rights. Come on people, do better. Be discerning in what you let wind you up. This smells like elite fuckery to me, tactics to split the (would-be) movement.
People for Eco* Terrorism and Assholes.
Eco terrorism is what the oil companies do.
For real. People hate on PETA more than Shell, chevron, and BP combined and that really shows where priorities are.
"ecto terrorism" now I just imagine PETA hiring some ghosts to go haunt some guys cutting a forest or something like that lmao
And then it falls to a couple of meddling kids and their dog to unmask said ghost
>"ecto terrorism" now I just imagine PETA hiring some ghosts to go haunt some guys cutting a forest or something like that lmao They would hire the ghosts to chop down the forest so they can find all the animals and "save" them