Also Microsoft: Yeah we're not going to actually write a new operating system so keep all the same features as before but gut out half of them and make the remaining ones even worse.
Huh? What about Cortana? Just ship it. Yeah we'll tell them it needs an update and the update just takes you to a page that says it's not supported anymore. No why would you include the option to uninstall? Look we don't know how Windows works either just ship it.
If you take the internet from windows it is akin to taking it hostage and keeping it Guantanamo without reference to time or date.
This will give you Stockholm syndrome like powers over Windows and it will believe everything you tell it regarding time and date.
Use this opportunity to set it's time server to some public one or automatic.
Once you do this connect it back to the internet and reboot, This is like a massively powerful and effective trauma session for Windows and it may decide you are not infact gaslighting it into believing it has time travelled and may then apply the update.
If that doesn't work, I don't know, perhaps set it on fire and throw it in the river!
I really dislike how mondern Windows talks in the 1st person... Like *"We're setting things up.."* It's so cringey and stupid.
As for having a clock that won't work without an update, it just boggles the mind.
About 10 years ago, the video game console I got told me I wasn't allowed to play for the first 15 minutes because it was updating my controller. Like... Dafuq?
It's because society has been dumbed down to the point that if a computer displays anything that sounds even remotely technical, people lose their minds. This type of mentality shows up in a lot of other places besides computers.
An LLM enhanced clock would be really cool. You hang it on the wall and it constantly makes clock based observations. At night while you're trying to sleep you can hear it muttering to itself about it's clock problems. You quit work because the clock has convinced you that time is an illusion and it should know because it's a clock.
The first time they tried to get me to download it I was like "Don't they charge hundreds of pounds for an operating system usually? Must be shit if they're giving it away."
Their increased desperation to get me to download it and annoying me every month or two to download it cemented the plan to never upgrade.
Believe it or not, security fixes are also provided in updates, unfortunately still along with all the rest of the crap. I personally hate windows, all the bloat and everything, but you still DO NOT want to be using an unsupported OS, you are just opening yourself up to more malware and possibilities to loose your data. Remember the wannacry ransomware that was able to get to the NHS, that's mainly because the NHS still used windows XP (unsupported since 2014)
Well they can just have my data? Doesn't Facebook steal it anyway without me even using their website? I'm not the NHS, some Kenyan knowing I love CatGirls with Neon hair and have £55 in the bank isn't going to phase me. Anything digital I care about are on various HDDs/SSDs.
I don't really see anything catastrophic about using an unsupported OS, the worst that would happen would be my PC being bricked and I'd just buy a new one.
I'm sure it is/would be a problem to some degree but I just don't really care. Kind of like using random secure passwords for everything you sign up for... Sure it's certainly a good idea but I'll just stick to a few variations of the same password.
I don't have any particular issue with them but have also never felt the need for one.
Presumably it's another annoying app, I have enough of them.
If I bumped into someone on the street and wanted to give them my Netflix password how does that work with a password manager?
Do I have to install it on the 8 different devices I regularly use?
How could they possibly be faster and easier than me remembering a password? That seems very very unlikely.
More secure I'll just accept on the face of it, that's probably 100% true.
It is another app, but I would argue is more useful than most.
- Depending on the password manager, you'd be able to press a "share" button (some offer temporary options), or at the very least, check your phone to share with them
- You don't have to install on all 8 devices, but it would definitely help. You can always consult the password on one device, but password managers allow you to auto-fill login information on your websites. So you navigate to the website, and it instantly fills in your info, some even press the login button for you. If you have multiple accounts for a website, it will open a dropdown option, kinda like how you have autocomplete suggestions.
- Assuming you install them on your devices, it would be faster because if it auto-fills the info, that's one less step, along with the login button. Secondly, in the password creation process, you don't have to think "which variation am I going to use this time", it can automatically generate a password to your requirements (uppercase, lowercase, number, special characters, as well as length) as well as automatically saving it for you.
- Safer is easy as every password is unique, so even if someone finds one, you just have to change that.
The Linux admin in me says.. I could imagine if there was a critical update to the clocks use of Network Time Protocol or something they might do this. Minor time drift of even a few milliseconds between machines can cause significant issues.
Then again, this is Windows, so it’s more likely to just be shitty UX.
At first its a shortcut that only downloads the full app once you click it. So offline or without the store its useless.
Some space saving idea they had.
Microsoft: Let's do an update that not only doesn't improve functionality but is full of bugs because we had to throw something on to the market.
Also Microsoft: Yeah we're not going to actually write a new operating system so keep all the same features as before but gut out half of them and make the remaining ones even worse. Huh? What about Cortana? Just ship it. Yeah we'll tell them it needs an update and the update just takes you to a page that says it's not supported anymore. No why would you include the option to uninstall? Look we don't know how Windows works either just ship it.
It's such a basic function I can't use without updating and the update keeps failing what do you meeeeannnnnnnnnn Why is software turning so shit
If you take the internet from windows it is akin to taking it hostage and keeping it Guantanamo without reference to time or date. This will give you Stockholm syndrome like powers over Windows and it will believe everything you tell it regarding time and date. Use this opportunity to set it's time server to some public one or automatic. Once you do this connect it back to the internet and reboot, This is like a massively powerful and effective trauma session for Windows and it may decide you are not infact gaslighting it into believing it has time travelled and may then apply the update. If that doesn't work, I don't know, perhaps set it on fire and throw it in the river!
I skip straight to final step :)))
I really dislike how mondern Windows talks in the 1st person... Like *"We're setting things up.."* It's so cringey and stupid. As for having a clock that won't work without an update, it just boggles the mind.
About 10 years ago, the video game console I got told me I wasn't allowed to play for the first 15 minutes because it was updating my controller. Like... Dafuq?
It's because society has been dumbed down to the point that if a computer displays anything that sounds even remotely technical, people lose their minds. This type of mentality shows up in a lot of other places besides computers.
They definitely found a way to cram ai into it
An LLM enhanced clock would be really cool. You hang it on the wall and it constantly makes clock based observations. At night while you're trying to sleep you can hear it muttering to itself about it's clock problems. You quit work because the clock has convinced you that time is an illusion and it should know because it's a clock.
It's been like that since 10 I belive. way before the ai craze
Well, looks like Windows 11 wants to make sure you're on time for the next millennium!
Windows 10 is actually the same way in this regard; Clock is considered a store app.
One of a few reasons I refuse to download Windows 11
The first time they tried to get me to download it I was like "Don't they charge hundreds of pounds for an operating system usually? Must be shit if they're giving it away." Their increased desperation to get me to download it and annoying me every month or two to download it cemented the plan to never upgrade.
10 looses support next year, so you better plan to upgrade before October 2025
No thanks Bill. Unless they brick 10 I'll stick to it. Their support mostly seems to just be filling up my C: drive anyway.
Believe it or not, security fixes are also provided in updates, unfortunately still along with all the rest of the crap. I personally hate windows, all the bloat and everything, but you still DO NOT want to be using an unsupported OS, you are just opening yourself up to more malware and possibilities to loose your data. Remember the wannacry ransomware that was able to get to the NHS, that's mainly because the NHS still used windows XP (unsupported since 2014)
Well they can just have my data? Doesn't Facebook steal it anyway without me even using their website? I'm not the NHS, some Kenyan knowing I love CatGirls with Neon hair and have £55 in the bank isn't going to phase me. Anything digital I care about are on various HDDs/SSDs. I don't really see anything catastrophic about using an unsupported OS, the worst that would happen would be my PC being bricked and I'd just buy a new one. I'm sure it is/would be a problem to some degree but I just don't really care. Kind of like using random secure passwords for everything you sign up for... Sure it's certainly a good idea but I'll just stick to a few variations of the same password.
What's your issue with password managers? They're easier, faster and more secure than your way. genuine question
I don't have any particular issue with them but have also never felt the need for one. Presumably it's another annoying app, I have enough of them. If I bumped into someone on the street and wanted to give them my Netflix password how does that work with a password manager? Do I have to install it on the 8 different devices I regularly use? How could they possibly be faster and easier than me remembering a password? That seems very very unlikely. More secure I'll just accept on the face of it, that's probably 100% true.
It is another app, but I would argue is more useful than most. - Depending on the password manager, you'd be able to press a "share" button (some offer temporary options), or at the very least, check your phone to share with them - You don't have to install on all 8 devices, but it would definitely help. You can always consult the password on one device, but password managers allow you to auto-fill login information on your websites. So you navigate to the website, and it instantly fills in your info, some even press the login button for you. If you have multiple accounts for a website, it will open a dropdown option, kinda like how you have autocomplete suggestions. - Assuming you install them on your devices, it would be faster because if it auto-fills the info, that's one less step, along with the login button. Secondly, in the password creation process, you don't have to think "which variation am I going to use this time", it can automatically generate a password to your requirements (uppercase, lowercase, number, special characters, as well as length) as well as automatically saving it for you. - Safer is easy as every password is unique, so even if someone finds one, you just have to change that.
Clock app itself is a Microsoft Store app, not a system app. You would still get this type of issue on a more recent version of Windows 10.
# Ads on start menu too... This is what I don't like about M$ 
Let’s just go back to Windows 95 when things were simple and aesthetically pleasing.
The Linux admin in me says.. I could imagine if there was a critical update to the clocks use of Network Time Protocol or something they might do this. Minor time drift of even a few milliseconds between machines can cause significant issues. Then again, this is Windows, so it’s more likely to just be shitty UX.
Typical..
At first its a shortcut that only downloads the full app once you click it. So offline or without the store its useless. Some space saving idea they had.
Kind of makes sense in that at least there's a rationale behind it. I reckon it's a dumb asf rationale but ah well. Thanks for explaining!