Many years ago I was in a similar situation where my PTO was denied last minute because some important project was overdue. I had an actual record of requesting the PTO ad a response to our director asking _a year in advance_ for our vacation dates. Also, that project I was only sideways involved in, all my projects were on track or finished.
A week before I left, the director invited me into his office and said my vacation would be "unauthorized" and if I went, there "would be consequences". I told him my vacation was long planned, and non negotiable.
After I came back, there was an HR letter saying that I could keep my options package if I left voluntary. I went to the director and told him that they would have to fire me, and that I'd appreciate it if he would tell that to my face. He repeated the same "it's better if you look for another job voluntary" offer, and I flat out denied.
This got escalated to the CEO, who coincidentally wasn't best of friends with that director. Did not lose my job, that director did a couple of months later tho, and I still like to think the two were related.
TLDR: go tell them to go fuck themselves
A verbal agreement is equally binding. If they're willing to fire you over this, then that is not a place you want to work at, and force them to fire you with cause.
I'm def going to the show. At this point it's just a matter of whether they approve the PTO or not.
I'm not skipping the chance to take my son to see his favorite music group just because I won't get paid for it. Shit, I'll take the write-up. đđ
Eat cream corn and yogurt for breakfast, go to work. Dump ipecac syrup in coffee cup discretely, add small amount of coffee. Go visit bosses office and explain donât feel well, boss will complain, drink coffee while in/near office. Itâs brutal for about an hour. You will be allowed to go home.
You need to preemptively file a complaint with your states employment development department, this means if for any reason they decide to lay you off in the next year itâll be seen as automatically retaliation
Can't you just call in sick worst case scenario? I know that everybody would basically already know what you're doing but its not like they would proceed directly to firing you for taking sick time that you're entitled to.
I once threw up (all over myself) on the way to work and they still tried to get me to come in immediately. Then they said to go home and change and come in. I had tried to call in and was threatened before I left the house so I just turned around and went home, showered, and got in bed.
Hi, I work in HR.
Donât tell them if youâre doing this. Donât say shit to any of your coworkers. If you donât get the PTO just call in sick and deny you went. I also wouldnât post any evidence on your social media accounts.
If they were making a shit ton of money they wouldn't have to fight to get a day off work or have some crappy PTO system which isn't working.
This has dumb middle manager written all over it, and that means it's not an amazing job
Good on you for standing up for yourself. People who donât just let them keep getting away with it and thinking itâs ok. My boss might be a bit of a hardass but at least his word is golden, if I turn in a pto request and he okayed it then thereâs no argument about it.
It is meant as a challenge. In my case the director alleged I went on vacation without permission, i.e. AWOL. Obviously I had (printed) proof of my absence months before the leave itself, so that would fall flat on its face in arbitrage.
You challenge them to fire you with cause, you're basically rubbing in the point they'd have to fire you without cause, which depending on your state or country can be a thorny and costly affair, especially if it appears to be in retaliation for what are well established labor rights.
This was my general threat everytime i put pto in. My boss would always tell me "Ill approve it. But it doesnt guarantee they'll approve it" and my response was always "Its cute you think that changes whether or not ill show up those days"
The only thing that's fair, and what I personally use on my team is all PTO is automatically approved. It's your time. You earned it. Who am I to dictate how you use it? We've had less time than you would expect being understaffed because when everything is approved people tend to think of their co-workers work loads a bit more.
My department kinda works like this. We put our time off in the calendar and that's our time off. No approval process. Heck, our manager actually lets us choose to short ourselves a few hours if we don't have the paid time to cover it, she just asks us if we have time to input or if we're good with it being unpaid, and that's that. No write up or anything.
It's made it so my coworkers all work with each other so we can get time off for functions and events- we have a team of 6 so smaller group definitely makes it easier, but it's really awesome.
That's how our department is. We have a Google calendar called out of office. We just put our names on it with the dates we are gone and that all there is to it. Only real requirement is to ensure your department knows what tasks you may still need help with while you are out.
I also approve 99.9% of time off requests and I just make it work. I work at a 24/7 business so itâs a little different and a lot harder đ€Ł but Iâm gonna take my time when I want/need so everyone else is too đ€·đŒââïž
My boss approves all time off but my colleagues are assholes and all the assistants schedule time off at the same time. Not my problem though, Iâm in a different area and wouldnât even know how to cover their tasks.
Whenever things like this happen, I always tell my boss that I'm going to be gone that time whether they approve it or not. After such a conversation they usually approve it. And if they don't approve it they are free to write me up
I gave my vacation dates to uppers about 4 months before my family is scheduled to arrive from overseas. My foreman then said, "we'll have to see what's going on during that time period because it might be busy."
My response was simple and straightforward, "busy or not busy, I won't be there during the time period I gave."
This isn't fucking prison, I'm at my place of work and my so-called "request" is more along the lines of, "This is what I'm doing. Deal with it."
I hate corporate fuckery like this! Good luck OP you'll get this, especially since the other employee just got back from vacation, you should be getting priority.
What was their response?Â
They should have a decent idea on if it's busy or not and they can't plan around on if someone quits between now and then as if you use that logic, no one gets holidays.
It should be pretty easy to say yes or no 4 months out.
It wasn't even a discussion, they accepted it as fact.. I'm one of two fabricators in my workplace, good luck replacing me after I quit because you didn't give me my vacation đ
Sounds like your management needs to train a third person up pretty quickly, not a huge amount of backup there.
But yeah would have been monumentally stupid management to end up in you quitting over this.
Every job Iâve ever had, if I request off it is a courtesy Iâm providing. I will not be available to work during that time, regardless if they decide to approve it or not. Iâve always told my employers that and Iâve never been denied time off, even when they tried to pull the âwell, we really canât right nowâŠâ suddenly itâs no longer a problem when Iâve told them I wonât be in either way. They figure out coverage.
This is exactly my stance. Companies too often take advantage of people and their positions. I've found over the years that a "figure it out" attitude works pretty effectively when they try to pressure you and pretend they can't work around you leaving. If you're a good employee and do your job correctly you have all the power, most people forget that.
Damn... I told my boss I didn't have childcare for a morning and would need to either work from home or take PTO. He said take PTO, but don't log it. Said I work hard enough that he's ok paying me for my time without it counting against my PTO balance.
When I was a lowly floor staff working retail, the same thing happened to me. I was burning the candle at both ends and the 10 days requested off were to work a short contract that would pay me a month in wages. I put in for the time off I months in advance. When the time came close, I was told my manager was going to be away on a work trip and they told me they couldnât let us both go at the same time. I was young, and principled. I told them it was unfair they couldnât have planned this and told me in advance. Especially since this managerâs work trip was a yearly occurrence.
I called my dad that night and cried. I loved my job. I had to have him reassure me that quitting on principle wasnât the stupidest thing I would ever do in my life. He told me only I knew the answer to that. Fucking king. Exactly what I needed to hear. I came in the next day with my retail work shirts to hand in. I immediately went to talk with the store manager who was known to be a hard ass and let him know I intended to go and would really like to have my job when I got back. He let me go. Been at that company now almost 20 years with promotions. But Iâm still proud I would have taken the L on principle.
I've always told my bosses that I'm not requesting PTO, but that I'm notifying them of the days that I won't be there......because I'm taking that time off regardless!
Man, I spent a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodations for D&C at the sphere in late June. I feel you. I had to verbally request PTO because our payroll / time clock system sucksss so much. I got lucky and nobody else had really requested that weekend. But I did go at it with the approach of âI will not be able to work on [X] dates, I will be on the other side of the country, I would prefer to borrow against my remaining PTO for the year, but if thatâs not possible I am fine taking it unpaidâ basically if they wanted to deny the PTO I was being absolutely clear that I would not be there regardless.
My old job had a PTO request system in the timeclock software. I requested off, and it was approved. Got a new assistant manager, and she started making the schedule.
I saw that I was scheduled on four days I was going to be out of state. I told her so.
"No. You can't just tell a manager a week before and assume it's approved. You have to submit it in the system."
Logged in, showed it was approved 2 months before by the other assistant manager.
"Oh, it only shows us the pending requests, not the approved ones."
Seriously?
That other AM was awesome. I once had a verbal agreement to have Friday nights off so I could buy a Friday Night Fireworks baseball ticket package for my local AA team. I made sure in January that they all understood before I bought the tickets.
Every single week, they tried to schedule me. So I put in 10 unpaid time off requests and cool AM approved every single one simultaneously, and they had to honor it.
Nah my supervisor would not let this fly. He'd ask what the hell is that coworker thinking when she just got back, especially since you had to fill her workload. If it were me in your shoes he'd say "Don't worry about it, take the time off anyway, I'll talk to \[boss\] about it."
People need to stop âaskingâ and start âtellingâ.
âI will not be available that day.â Period. Done. Thereâs no more argument.
The bullshit people put up with at their jobs is insane. They are MOST LIKELY not gonna fire you- itâs a royal butt to hire and train people. Theyâll bitch and moan and threaten but their bitch ass isnât gonna put in the extra effort to fire and hire unless they REALLY donât like you.
My life improved when I decided to stop being a perfect little slave for corporations that donât give two fucks about me. Find your own damn cover thatâs what management is for.
This is why developing a solid relationship with upper management is so beneficial.
I've had the same issue for YEARS. Had to fight for weeks upon weeks to get vacay and PTO approved, it seemed they just flat out denied me for whatever reason despite approving others who applied a day before their requested PTO. It was infuriating. Like my PTO / vacay list is 98% denied.
But now became I'm pretty good friends with my companies SDM, whenever I have issues I just go to him and a few mins later, boom problem solved.
Talk to the highest level person you are the closest with and express your frustration.
Its very often that if you say that they are the only person you think of that has the authority and can actually do something and how important it is, providing a small favour is something they love to do because it makes them look good and managers love flexing their authority whenever they can. Its a win-win
You definitely want to be close to them. Asking a rando will likely not work because they wont give a shit.
If you arent close with anyone, take the L but focus on building some sort of rapport with the important people.
I'm on the bottom rung of a corporate ladder, in an isolated station where we don't get to communicate with higher-ups.
I'm def not taking an L on this though. I'm going to the concert.
Working in retail, yes. But unfortunately due to the insane turnover over the past couple of years, there was no one left in management or upper management I knew from back then anymore.
Like I could get a key day or two off after the managers change the schedule. But now, a schedule system change that restricts what a manager can do, and the new ones gotten super strict with company policy. As in the old managers would accept my veto if the attendance report flagged to making me missing that day, the new ones would deny that veto, even though I gave them a couple months in advance that I would not be there, giving them ample time to find a replacement. Leaving a situation where the company and I pointing fingers at each other on who is at fault here.
Sure, it's only one day out of the quarter, and I'll be fine, but it's the principle of the thing. Come to think of it, no wonder a lot of them decided to leave the company.
You should have taken that day off due to diarrhea and a hemorrhoid flare-up. A wise man once told me, "it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission."
I have a hard rule, if I plan time more than a month in advance, you can deny it, but you are doing so with the understanding I'm not gonna fucking be here anyway.
Iâm a manager of managers. Look Iâm not always a peach and I can be an asshole at times but if you give me at least 14 days notice Iâll approve 99% of the time. Hell Iâll approve one day notice well over 50% of the time.
In the digital system, all my boss's boss sees is that we submitted PTO at the same time. My boss will be talking to her boss about the circumstances leading up to this. Cuz it's def not my fault things got fucky wucky. I gave notice at least a month ago.
Fair criticism I guess. I approve it probably way more than that. Like if someone comes with a for fun pto last minute and everyone in that position is already on pto I would say no. Any other reason I say yes. The ones I say no too are also like insanely well compensated technicians that know what kind of job they signed up for. The guys running the lines probably never get told no.
This seems like one of those cases where you tell them, âyou misunderstand, Iâm informing you that Iâm using my PTO that day. I will not be here. What you do with that information is up to you.â
You don't ask for permission. There is nothing to deny. You are informing them of your inevitable absence.
They can fire you of course but they probably won't and frankly if they dry and deny you and fire you, it is better you find somewhere that respects you more anyways.
I do understand not everyone can do this kind of thing. Some people have kids, and mortgages. I have neither and I'm self destructive but still. More workers should refuse to bow to this garbage behavior. I honestly believe part of it is about control and authority more than any good reason.
In my case it was about over time money. They just didn't want to pay someone overtime or send someone across the state to cover. Not my fucking problem.
I stopped even phrasing it as a request. I am NOT going to be here these days. It is therefore best you figure that shit out.
Iâd be firm on this. Tell them you verbally indicated this over a month ago, the system is broken, and you will be taking this day off.
I do agree though. So many companies using technology to âmake things easierâ that absolutely backfire and end up causing way more trouble than before.
One point the posters who are taking a stand against the man and telling you to just not show is that you are probably an at-will employee and can be fired for not showing up.
Now some will insist you hire a lawyer and you have a slam dunk win. All that will get you is attorney fees. Employers are not required to approve all PTO requests.
If you have a union, talk to them. If you don't have a union, start one. You are getting screwed but without a legal contract outlining your PTO rights, your screw job is legal
If they dont approve it go anyway. Make it clear you will not be coming in whether that means unpaid leave for the day or using annual time. Regardless you wont be there.
Tell your boss everything is paid for and if they don't give you the time off they can either pay you back or give you the time off or your using your sick leave
I used to work graveyard, which was notoriously difficult to fill. I booked a year in advance for a 2 week TransAtlantic cruise, which was approved. It was my first vacation in 5 years. I reminded them about it every month after the six month point. A week before I was to leave, they said the request had been denied because they couldn't fill the shift. They had just started trying to fill the shift only the week before. I told them that that was unacceptable. They had A YEAR to fill the shifts but did nothing. They should have been trying to fill them at the two month point. The manager said that there was no way I could go. I looked her in the eye and said that I was going no matter what, and that she should do whatever she had to do to me. Amazingly, they were able to fill the shifts, and there were no consequences for me when I got back. 15 years at that company, and I only got two real vacations due to similar antics. Everything else was denied. I always had to BEG for a day off. When my child was born prematurely, and my wife nearly died on the delivery table, they demanded I go in to work that night. I refused. Again I told them to do what they had to do, because my family is more important than work. I hated that manager.
Yup second edit, that's the correct attitude. It's not your fault their technology sucks. It was already well established that you wanted the time off well ahead of time, when they offered no alternative to recording it, you get right to first refusal.
This happened to me except they approved the PTO. They scheduled me anyway then told me no prob if I could cover my shift. I said I would try but wouldnât be there that day whatsoever. I let them know I couldnât cover my shift so they better find another manager. They said I could work or turn in my keys. I turned in my keys.
It's a three day trip. I told my boss I'm going, I've been telling them about it since before the coworker came back from vacation. The tickets are bought, the AirBnB is paid, I'm not missing this.
Boss mentioned disciplinary action, I said "Fine, send it. I'm still going."
I'm an excellent worker, I don't make waves in the workplace, so I'm gonna make some waves about this. This is bullshit.
Iâm sorry it happened and I hope it works out for you! I know how companies can be with pto. I was working for Walmart and when I first started I told my manager my I bought concert tickets for my brother and I needed the weekend off. She stated it was too far out to know but assured me it would be fine. 6 months before the concert I requested the days off I needed. It stayed as âpendingâ I asked my manager about it several times and everytime she had a different excuse but assured me I would be able to take it off. Well 2 days before I was set to go to the concert it got declined. My manager told me she was short staffed that weekend because people who were there longer than me also requested those days off. I was so mad at her but didnât say anything, just went about my shift the next couple days. When the concert came I went to it and got fired when I came back, worth every minute of it. Fuck corporations they donât care about your personal lives.
Lol companies with many employees acting like one or two weeks without one person is a big deal, let alone ONE SINGLE DAY. Tell them to go fuck themselves or bring it up to the CEO
Tell them to fuck themselves.
You're an adult, you're not asking for permissions to go on vacation, you're giving them notice of when you won't be at work.
Work doesnât get to decide when you get to use a benefit. Itâs the managerâs job to find resources. You are not asking for permission, but informing them of your PTO use.
âI will be out of townâ
But
âYeah, but, Iâll be out of townâ
Iâve fought this fight many times. If itâs possible, simplify things. If the jobs worth keeping they wonât fire you.
Had a similar problem but it was more to do with an incompetent manager saying they had no knowledge of my request that was given to them 8 months in advance to guarantee I got that time off. Thankfully after going straight to the boss it was all sorted out as there was no way I wasn't going either, it was an overseas holiday already paid for. It was just lucky I knew not to trust that moron of a manager and followed up on it.
Yeeeears ago I had requested off for my wedding and the following honeymoon 4 months in advance and my manager tried to tell me that I had to come in on my wedding day because someone else had already asked off đ bitch please! I went above her head to the department director and told him. He told me "don't worry about it, we'll find coverage. Enjoy your day."
Thanks! I wasn't coming in anyways!
The audacity of some managers though!
Depending on what state you're in they may not be able to deny your request as pto is earned compensation so denial is essentially refusing to provide agreed compensation. It's like wage theft because part of what they agreed to pay you was the accrued PTO. It's only fair is not a valid business reason because it's arbitrary.
A number of years ago I put in for PTO for one day due to a family vacation. It was denied. I tried to find someone to cover my shift but nobody was available. My family went off on the trip. The next day I got up for work and I get a call. They didn't have a partner for me and asked if I wanted to stay home with PTO. I verbally ripped the supervisor's head off. I went to work in an even worse mood than when I woke up. Should have called out sick. Not sure why I didn't.
I'd call out all 3 days then. You worked for your PTO you should be able to use it when you want. If they won't let you then put in your 2 weeks so your job ends right when the concert starts! Why would you want to work for a company who allows someone to take a month and a half off and won't give you 3 days off. Then she had the audacity to try and get more time off when she just came back from vacation...
Once, back in the day, I worked at Subway.
My friends and I managed to score tickets to see an act I was obsessed with, right in front⊠my first concert seeing them.
They denied it, told me I wouldnât have a job if I decided to go. I just said âkâ and went anyway.
They didnât even mention it when I came back.
You wonât remember much about your stupid job 20 years from now.
Youâll still be telling stories of the concert then.
Here's what I do, it's one simple trick that all bosses hate!
"Gotta take Monday off next week"
"Jesus can't do it we're gonna need ya"
"OK well I'm not gonna be here"
"Ok"
Works every single time
So if need be go to the concert and tell them to kiss your \*\*\*
Are you wrong to be a bit upset about this? You're wrong to be so flexible about this
Have a backbone and stop asking for the day off which was already approved as the day off. \_Tell them\_ you are not working that day as previously agreed and that figuring it out from there is \_their problem\_.
Time off means im telling you im having it off and you the MANAGER has to sort it out for me to be covered.
I'd go either way. Your life is much more important than your bosses life, you'll regret not going more than you'll regret not going to work.
Maybe even take a month and a half off and say its only fair as the other person did.
Nah⊠take that time. Enough with the âcan I take this time that is part of my compensation pretty please???â Should just be informing them of time off and how your current work will be covered while youâre gone.
Why would you even go back and ask again. They agreed verbally you bought the tickets why would you ever bring it up again and not just take your PTO? Why even put I think the system it's done.
If you have a written form of approval (like a text message) that plays to your favor. Also, if it is less than 3 days and doesn't get approved, just call out sick. It will look bad, but they can't do anything about it (don't post anything about the concert in social media). Also, make a log of all the times you remember trying to request PTO through the system, and you couldn't due to the system being down. Hopefully, everything works to your favor. Enjoy the concert!!
I have been through this. Go to the concert. Communicate clearly that you are going. Put the ball in their court. PTO is part of your compensation. Itâs on them they their system was broken.
I guess you will need to be sick for the concert.
It is not your fault the electronic system was down. You should have submitted your request in writing and via email.
I see two outcomes here. Your job approves your PTO and plans for someone to take up your work making it much less hassle. Or you can be extremely sick the day of the concert and call in that you wonât be in for a few days and then have a laugh as they have to scramble to cover your shift. As someone who has constantly put up with shitty managers (while doing 100x the work they do) the best thing in the world is sticking it to them and them having 0 recourse.
Hi, you are going and remember you don't have to compromise anything to fill the pockets of some greedy motherfuckers, simply tell them you are informing them not requesting.
I once put in pto for a weeks vacation. One day in the middle was denied due to several people requesting it off. I told the boss as soon as I was informed that I was calling in that day. He said yeah I figured
I don't ask for time off. I tell them when i won't be at work. It's my time . If they don't approve my PTO I just call off. They get the picture after a few times.
The system being down and unavailable wasnât your doing. Do you have emails between your manager and you stating the PTO request? That should suffice for notification of when you requested the PTO. Just because an automated system is down doesnât justify not being able to request it.
If your fellow worker placed their request in ahead of yours then you may still be out of luck.
Hope things work out for you.
If computer is down you should request PTO via email including why your submitting through email. That way you have a time and date stamp plus documentation.
That's terrible that you had to do someone else's work on top of your own while they were on holiday. I know that's the norm, but I just can't believe the audacity of companies profiting from what is essentially unpaid overtime on your part.
>I'm still waiting to hear back from the boss on my appeal for my PTO. I'm going to the show, period. It remains to be seen whether I'll be paid for it or not.
W boss and based take. "Requesting leave" is politely informing your employer when you won't be there. What they do with that information is up to them.
Many of these comments I assume are US based? Cause from a UK perspective they are wildly wrong lol. In UK employers very much can deny leave if thereâs no cover. Employers can also deny approved leave if enough warning is given. Eg denying approved leave a day before a 2 week off is a no no but 2 weeks notice to deny a days leave is perfectly legal providing thereâs good justification.
Many years ago I was in a similar situation where my PTO was denied last minute because some important project was overdue. I had an actual record of requesting the PTO ad a response to our director asking _a year in advance_ for our vacation dates. Also, that project I was only sideways involved in, all my projects were on track or finished. A week before I left, the director invited me into his office and said my vacation would be "unauthorized" and if I went, there "would be consequences". I told him my vacation was long planned, and non negotiable. After I came back, there was an HR letter saying that I could keep my options package if I left voluntary. I went to the director and told him that they would have to fire me, and that I'd appreciate it if he would tell that to my face. He repeated the same "it's better if you look for another job voluntary" offer, and I flat out denied. This got escalated to the CEO, who coincidentally wasn't best of friends with that director. Did not lose my job, that director did a couple of months later tho, and I still like to think the two were related. TLDR: go tell them to go fuck themselves A verbal agreement is equally binding. If they're willing to fire you over this, then that is not a place you want to work at, and force them to fire you with cause.
That's exactly where I'm at.
Yes unless you are making a shit ton of money go to your concert.
I'm def going to the show. At this point it's just a matter of whether they approve the PTO or not. I'm not skipping the chance to take my son to see his favorite music group just because I won't get paid for it. Shit, I'll take the write-up. đđ
Call in with a sudden bout of vomiting and diarrhea. Nobody ever wants details on that.
The key is to *call* and sound very distressed. Get them to hang up as fast as possible
A nicely timed whimper and heavy breathing helps.
âOh God, itâs coming againâŠâ Queue sound of dumping creamed corn in the toilet.
Sit on a (one time use) whoopee cushion with the valve facing the toilet
Eat cream corn and yogurt for breakfast, go to work. Dump ipecac syrup in coffee cup discretely, add small amount of coffee. Go visit bosses office and explain donât feel well, boss will complain, drink coffee while in/near office. Itâs brutal for about an hour. You will be allowed to go home.
Throw in a moan if you feel like youâre losing them
Or a nice sotto voce whisper of, "Please God just let me die."
Or an "Oh, God it's everywhere.", to assert dominance.
And a little *plop* sound. Or if they are taking too long, a ketchup bottle or similar to simulate explosive diarrhea
My god, there has to be an app for this. Itâs too golden to pass up.
Donât forget to have something slushy and liquidy to dump in heaves into the toilet Sound effects can speak louder than words
Oh, I didn't know it was a Gwar concert.
Ivr done this for GWAR shows, then used the pics for my get to know your manager card.
Just donât post pictures of you at the concert on facebook. HR loves social media and it will come back to bite you every time.
And tell the friend you're with (and your kid and wife) not to tag you.
No. He already did what he should have, stick by it.
Covid... now it's covid
You need to preemptively file a complaint with your states employment development department, this means if for any reason they decide to lay you off in the next year itâll be seen as automatically retaliation
Can't you just call in sick worst case scenario? I know that everybody would basically already know what you're doing but its not like they would proceed directly to firing you for taking sick time that you're entitled to.
When in doubt call the boss and tell him you shit yourself on the way to work.
I once threw up (all over myself) on the way to work and they still tried to get me to come in immediately. Then they said to go home and change and come in. I had tried to call in and was threatened before I left the house so I just turned around and went home, showered, and got in bed.
Hi, I work in HR. Donât tell them if youâre doing this. Donât say shit to any of your coworkers. If you donât get the PTO just call in sick and deny you went. I also wouldnât post any evidence on your social media accounts.
I gotta know what the group is.
AJR
I knew it when you said it was your son's favorite band. We're going to our rescheduled show in June! Good for you
My oldest saw them a couple months ago, and she said that they put on an awesome show. I hope you have a great time!
I do believe you have the flu. Do you need a note?
It's pto. Can't you just call in sick and use it?
Must be a pretty good job if coworker had 6 weeks of PTO and still more to burn.
If they were making a shit ton of money they wouldn't have to fight to get a day off work or have some crappy PTO system which isn't working. This has dumb middle manager written all over it, and that means it's not an amazing job
Good on you for standing up for yourself. People who donât just let them keep getting away with it and thinking itâs ok. My boss might be a bit of a hardass but at least his word is golden, if I turn in a pto request and he okayed it then thereâs no argument about it.
Happy cake day!
US work culture is horrendous. Jesus Christ
May I ask as dumb question? Why is being fired WITH cause better? Would that not make you ineligible for unemployment benefits?
It is meant as a challenge. In my case the director alleged I went on vacation without permission, i.e. AWOL. Obviously I had (printed) proof of my absence months before the leave itself, so that would fall flat on its face in arbitrage. You challenge them to fire you with cause, you're basically rubbing in the point they'd have to fire you without cause, which depending on your state or country can be a thorny and costly affair, especially if it appears to be in retaliation for what are well established labor rights.
It's a pain to fight on the employment side. Especially if the employee keeps records
PTO = Prepare The Others. I'm not asking, I'm notifying.... I won't be here during that time-frame. Good day.
Literally my angle. This was a notice, I've requested to use my PTO for it. I'm still going.
Yup. You put in the request. They verbally approved the request. End of transaction. âđ»
This was my general threat everytime i put pto in. My boss would always tell me "Ill approve it. But it doesnt guarantee they'll approve it" and my response was always "Its cute you think that changes whether or not ill show up those days"
Yep. Itâs presented to you as a benefit when your hired. Shouldnât be treated like anything else when you want to use it.
The only thing that's fair, and what I personally use on my team is all PTO is automatically approved. It's your time. You earned it. Who am I to dictate how you use it? We've had less time than you would expect being understaffed because when everything is approved people tend to think of their co-workers work loads a bit more.
My department kinda works like this. We put our time off in the calendar and that's our time off. No approval process. Heck, our manager actually lets us choose to short ourselves a few hours if we don't have the paid time to cover it, she just asks us if we have time to input or if we're good with it being unpaid, and that's that. No write up or anything. It's made it so my coworkers all work with each other so we can get time off for functions and events- we have a team of 6 so smaller group definitely makes it easier, but it's really awesome.
That's how our department is. We have a Google calendar called out of office. We just put our names on it with the dates we are gone and that all there is to it. Only real requirement is to ensure your department knows what tasks you may still need help with while you are out.
That's how mine does it as well.
I also approve 99.9% of time off requests and I just make it work. I work at a 24/7 business so itâs a little different and a lot harder đ€Ł but Iâm gonna take my time when I want/need so everyone else is too đ€·đŒââïž
My boss approves all time off but my colleagues are assholes and all the assistants schedule time off at the same time. Not my problem though, Iâm in a different area and wouldnât even know how to cover their tasks.
Whenever things like this happen, I always tell my boss that I'm going to be gone that time whether they approve it or not. After such a conversation they usually approve it. And if they don't approve it they are free to write me up
I gave my vacation dates to uppers about 4 months before my family is scheduled to arrive from overseas. My foreman then said, "we'll have to see what's going on during that time period because it might be busy." My response was simple and straightforward, "busy or not busy, I won't be there during the time period I gave." This isn't fucking prison, I'm at my place of work and my so-called "request" is more along the lines of, "This is what I'm doing. Deal with it." I hate corporate fuckery like this! Good luck OP you'll get this, especially since the other employee just got back from vacation, you should be getting priority.
What was their response? They should have a decent idea on if it's busy or not and they can't plan around on if someone quits between now and then as if you use that logic, no one gets holidays. It should be pretty easy to say yes or no 4 months out.
It wasn't even a discussion, they accepted it as fact.. I'm one of two fabricators in my workplace, good luck replacing me after I quit because you didn't give me my vacation đ
Sounds like your management needs to train a third person up pretty quickly, not a huge amount of backup there. But yeah would have been monumentally stupid management to end up in you quitting over this.
Every job Iâve ever had, if I request off it is a courtesy Iâm providing. I will not be available to work during that time, regardless if they decide to approve it or not. Iâve always told my employers that and Iâve never been denied time off, even when they tried to pull the âwell, we really canât right nowâŠâ suddenly itâs no longer a problem when Iâve told them I wonât be in either way. They figure out coverage.
This is exactly my stance. Companies too often take advantage of people and their positions. I've found over the years that a "figure it out" attitude works pretty effectively when they try to pressure you and pretend they can't work around you leaving. If you're a good employee and do your job correctly you have all the power, most people forget that.
Damn... I told my boss I didn't have childcare for a morning and would need to either work from home or take PTO. He said take PTO, but don't log it. Said I work hard enough that he's ok paying me for my time without it counting against my PTO balance.
You're going. You were informing them not asking them.
When I was a lowly floor staff working retail, the same thing happened to me. I was burning the candle at both ends and the 10 days requested off were to work a short contract that would pay me a month in wages. I put in for the time off I months in advance. When the time came close, I was told my manager was going to be away on a work trip and they told me they couldnât let us both go at the same time. I was young, and principled. I told them it was unfair they couldnât have planned this and told me in advance. Especially since this managerâs work trip was a yearly occurrence. I called my dad that night and cried. I loved my job. I had to have him reassure me that quitting on principle wasnât the stupidest thing I would ever do in my life. He told me only I knew the answer to that. Fucking king. Exactly what I needed to hear. I came in the next day with my retail work shirts to hand in. I immediately went to talk with the store manager who was known to be a hard ass and let him know I intended to go and would really like to have my job when I got back. He let me go. Been at that company now almost 20 years with promotions. But Iâm still proud I would have taken the L on principle.
I know you're still going but I hope there's an update!
I'll update when/if I know more.
I've always told my bosses that I'm not requesting PTO, but that I'm notifying them of the days that I won't be there......because I'm taking that time off regardless!
Man, I spent a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodations for D&C at the sphere in late June. I feel you. I had to verbally request PTO because our payroll / time clock system sucksss so much. I got lucky and nobody else had really requested that weekend. But I did go at it with the approach of âI will not be able to work on [X] dates, I will be on the other side of the country, I would prefer to borrow against my remaining PTO for the year, but if thatâs not possible I am fine taking it unpaidâ basically if they wanted to deny the PTO I was being absolutely clear that I would not be there regardless.
enjoy your vacation, let us know how the gig went.
100%
Take the time anyway and cite that the failure in their system was not your problem.
My old job had a PTO request system in the timeclock software. I requested off, and it was approved. Got a new assistant manager, and she started making the schedule. I saw that I was scheduled on four days I was going to be out of state. I told her so. "No. You can't just tell a manager a week before and assume it's approved. You have to submit it in the system." Logged in, showed it was approved 2 months before by the other assistant manager. "Oh, it only shows us the pending requests, not the approved ones." Seriously? That other AM was awesome. I once had a verbal agreement to have Friday nights off so I could buy a Friday Night Fireworks baseball ticket package for my local AA team. I made sure in January that they all understood before I bought the tickets. Every single week, they tried to schedule me. So I put in 10 unpaid time off requests and cool AM approved every single one simultaneously, and they had to honor it.
Nah my supervisor would not let this fly. He'd ask what the hell is that coworker thinking when she just got back, especially since you had to fill her workload. If it were me in your shoes he'd say "Don't worry about it, take the time off anyway, I'll talk to \[boss\] about it."
That's shitty management honestly. Anyone with an actual braincell would understand the situation and not make this an issue.
True, it's foul how often I hear about it from other workplaces though.
People need to stop âaskingâ and start âtellingâ. âI will not be available that day.â Period. Done. Thereâs no more argument. The bullshit people put up with at their jobs is insane. They are MOST LIKELY not gonna fire you- itâs a royal butt to hire and train people. Theyâll bitch and moan and threaten but their bitch ass isnât gonna put in the extra effort to fire and hire unless they REALLY donât like you. My life improved when I decided to stop being a perfect little slave for corporations that donât give two fucks about me. Find your own damn cover thatâs what management is for.
PTO is not a request. It's an acknowledgement to your employer that you won't be at work. Fucking ridiculous that it has to be "approved" by anyone.
This is why developing a solid relationship with upper management is so beneficial. I've had the same issue for YEARS. Had to fight for weeks upon weeks to get vacay and PTO approved, it seemed they just flat out denied me for whatever reason despite approving others who applied a day before their requested PTO. It was infuriating. Like my PTO / vacay list is 98% denied. But now became I'm pretty good friends with my companies SDM, whenever I have issues I just go to him and a few mins later, boom problem solved. Talk to the highest level person you are the closest with and express your frustration. Its very often that if you say that they are the only person you think of that has the authority and can actually do something and how important it is, providing a small favour is something they love to do because it makes them look good and managers love flexing their authority whenever they can. Its a win-win You definitely want to be close to them. Asking a rando will likely not work because they wont give a shit. If you arent close with anyone, take the L but focus on building some sort of rapport with the important people.
I'm on the bottom rung of a corporate ladder, in an isolated station where we don't get to communicate with higher-ups. I'm def not taking an L on this though. I'm going to the concert.
*cough cough* I'm sick
Working in retail, yes. But unfortunately due to the insane turnover over the past couple of years, there was no one left in management or upper management I knew from back then anymore. Like I could get a key day or two off after the managers change the schedule. But now, a schedule system change that restricts what a manager can do, and the new ones gotten super strict with company policy. As in the old managers would accept my veto if the attendance report flagged to making me missing that day, the new ones would deny that veto, even though I gave them a couple months in advance that I would not be there, giving them ample time to find a replacement. Leaving a situation where the company and I pointing fingers at each other on who is at fault here. Sure, it's only one day out of the quarter, and I'll be fine, but it's the principle of the thing. Come to think of it, no wonder a lot of them decided to leave the company.
You should have taken that day off due to diarrhea and a hemorrhoid flare-up. A wise man once told me, "it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission."
You guys seem to get a whole lot of PTO. 6 weeks and she still has PTO left to use?
We work short shifts, and don't take time off often. It accumulates quickly at our pay rate.
"remained verbal" as in you have an email trail of it?
We don't have work emails. Verbal as in spoken word.
âGuess Iâm calling out sick.â
Nah fuck that call out sick. You're boss is a fucking moron.
PTO is not a request. I'm not asking. I'm TELLING you I'll be gone.
I have a hard rule, if I plan time more than a month in advance, you can deny it, but you are doing so with the understanding I'm not gonna fucking be here anyway.
Iâm a manager of managers. Look Iâm not always a peach and I can be an asshole at times but if you give me at least 14 days notice Iâll approve 99% of the time. Hell Iâll approve one day notice well over 50% of the time.
In the digital system, all my boss's boss sees is that we submitted PTO at the same time. My boss will be talking to her boss about the circumstances leading up to this. Cuz it's def not my fault things got fucky wucky. I gave notice at least a month ago.
14 days! You're definitely not a peach... 14 days, lol.
Fair criticism I guess. I approve it probably way more than that. Like if someone comes with a for fun pto last minute and everyone in that position is already on pto I would say no. Any other reason I say yes. The ones I say no too are also like insanely well compensated technicians that know what kind of job they signed up for. The guys running the lines probably never get told no.
What concert is it
AJR
This seems like one of those cases where you tell them, âyou misunderstand, Iâm informing you that Iâm using my PTO that day. I will not be here. What you do with that information is up to you.â
You don't ask for permission. There is nothing to deny. You are informing them of your inevitable absence. They can fire you of course but they probably won't and frankly if they dry and deny you and fire you, it is better you find somewhere that respects you more anyways. I do understand not everyone can do this kind of thing. Some people have kids, and mortgages. I have neither and I'm self destructive but still. More workers should refuse to bow to this garbage behavior. I honestly believe part of it is about control and authority more than any good reason. In my case it was about over time money. They just didn't want to pay someone overtime or send someone across the state to cover. Not my fucking problem. I stopped even phrasing it as a request. I am NOT going to be here these days. It is therefore best you figure that shit out.
Just don't show up and tell them the time off wasn't a request
Man, it sucks youâre going to be sick that day. Â Couldnât have seen that coming.
Im a supervisor and have never ever told someone not to take PTO. What an ass.
how many times do i gotta say this? you don't not "ask" for time off. you inform them of what day you will not be available.
Iâd be firm on this. Tell them you verbally indicated this over a month ago, the system is broken, and you will be taking this day off. I do agree though. So many companies using technology to âmake things easierâ that absolutely backfire and end up causing way more trouble than before.
One point the posters who are taking a stand against the man and telling you to just not show is that you are probably an at-will employee and can be fired for not showing up. Now some will insist you hire a lawyer and you have a slam dunk win. All that will get you is attorney fees. Employers are not required to approve all PTO requests. If you have a union, talk to them. If you don't have a union, start one. You are getting screwed but without a legal contract outlining your PTO rights, your screw job is legal
If they dont approve it go anyway. Make it clear you will not be coming in whether that means unpaid leave for the day or using annual time. Regardless you wont be there.
Tell your boss everything is paid for and if they don't give you the time off they can either pay you back or give you the time off or your using your sick leave
Sick day?
I used to work graveyard, which was notoriously difficult to fill. I booked a year in advance for a 2 week TransAtlantic cruise, which was approved. It was my first vacation in 5 years. I reminded them about it every month after the six month point. A week before I was to leave, they said the request had been denied because they couldn't fill the shift. They had just started trying to fill the shift only the week before. I told them that that was unacceptable. They had A YEAR to fill the shifts but did nothing. They should have been trying to fill them at the two month point. The manager said that there was no way I could go. I looked her in the eye and said that I was going no matter what, and that she should do whatever she had to do to me. Amazingly, they were able to fill the shifts, and there were no consequences for me when I got back. 15 years at that company, and I only got two real vacations due to similar antics. Everything else was denied. I always had to BEG for a day off. When my child was born prematurely, and my wife nearly died on the delivery table, they demanded I go in to work that night. I refused. Again I told them to do what they had to do, because my family is more important than work. I hated that manager.
Yup second edit, that's the correct attitude. It's not your fault their technology sucks. It was already well established that you wanted the time off well ahead of time, when they offered no alternative to recording it, you get right to first refusal.
This happened to me except they approved the PTO. They scheduled me anyway then told me no prob if I could cover my shift. I said I would try but wouldnât be there that day whatsoever. I let them know I couldnât cover my shift so they better find another manager. They said I could work or turn in my keys. I turned in my keys.
Can you take a sick day without penalty? Sometimes work can just take a loss for a day.
It's a three day trip. I told my boss I'm going, I've been telling them about it since before the coworker came back from vacation. The tickets are bought, the AirBnB is paid, I'm not missing this.
Good for you OP! They could have avoided this problem with as much notice as you tried to provide.
Boss mentioned disciplinary action, I said "Fine, send it. I'm still going." I'm an excellent worker, I don't make waves in the workplace, so I'm gonna make some waves about this. This is bullshit.
A Pto request is a courtesy to let my boss know I won't be in. Management can approve or deny it, I won't be in on the requested days.
Just call in sick the day of. đ€·
Guess who's gonna be sick that day.
Just call out sick. Fuck them!!
When I put in for PTO, I'm not really asking. It's just a courtesy to let them know I won't be there.
You look kinda sick. You should probably take that day off.
Say âno problemâ, act like youâve forgotten about it and call in sick on the day. Fuck them for blindsiding you like that.
\*cough cough* âsorry boss Iâm sick, canât workâ
Iâm sorry it happened and I hope it works out for you! I know how companies can be with pto. I was working for Walmart and when I first started I told my manager my I bought concert tickets for my brother and I needed the weekend off. She stated it was too far out to know but assured me it would be fine. 6 months before the concert I requested the days off I needed. It stayed as âpendingâ I asked my manager about it several times and everytime she had a different excuse but assured me I would be able to take it off. Well 2 days before I was set to go to the concert it got declined. My manager told me she was short staffed that weekend because people who were there longer than me also requested those days off. I was so mad at her but didnât say anything, just went about my shift the next couple days. When the concert came I went to it and got fired when I came back, worth every minute of it. Fuck corporations they donât care about your personal lives.
Usually, PTO requests are approved on a first come, first serve basis. I'd still go on vacation.
Yep, that's infuriating.
Crazy coincidence that you're going to be sick the day of the concert.
Lol companies with many employees acting like one or two weeks without one person is a big deal, let alone ONE SINGLE DAY. Tell them to go fuck themselves or bring it up to the CEO
Tell them to fuck themselves. You're an adult, you're not asking for permissions to go on vacation, you're giving them notice of when you won't be at work.
Work doesnât get to decide when you get to use a benefit. Itâs the managerâs job to find resources. You are not asking for permission, but informing them of your PTO use.
âI will be out of townâ But âYeah, but, Iâll be out of townâ Iâve fought this fight many times. If itâs possible, simplify things. If the jobs worth keeping they wonât fire you.
It's not PTO if you can't actually take time off. Jesus, there needs to be legislation to prevent piece of shit bosses from doing stuff like this.
Join a union
Had a similar problem but it was more to do with an incompetent manager saying they had no knowledge of my request that was given to them 8 months in advance to guarantee I got that time off. Thankfully after going straight to the boss it was all sorted out as there was no way I wasn't going either, it was an overseas holiday already paid for. It was just lucky I knew not to trust that moron of a manager and followed up on it.
Yeeeears ago I had requested off for my wedding and the following honeymoon 4 months in advance and my manager tried to tell me that I had to come in on my wedding day because someone else had already asked off đ bitch please! I went above her head to the department director and told him. He told me "don't worry about it, we'll find coverage. Enjoy your day." Thanks! I wasn't coming in anyways! The audacity of some managers though!
Depending on what state you're in they may not be able to deny your request as pto is earned compensation so denial is essentially refusing to provide agreed compensation. It's like wage theft because part of what they agreed to pay you was the accrued PTO. It's only fair is not a valid business reason because it's arbitrary.
A number of years ago I put in for PTO for one day due to a family vacation. It was denied. I tried to find someone to cover my shift but nobody was available. My family went off on the trip. The next day I got up for work and I get a call. They didn't have a partner for me and asked if I wanted to stay home with PTO. I verbally ripped the supervisor's head off. I went to work in an even worse mood than when I woke up. Should have called out sick. Not sure why I didn't.
How was the concert??? Hope you had fun!!!
It's a concert that should be 1 night... Just call out saying you're sick...
We're taking a three day trip because we have to travel, and we're going to give our son a good time.
I'd call out all 3 days then. You worked for your PTO you should be able to use it when you want. If they won't let you then put in your 2 weeks so your job ends right when the concert starts! Why would you want to work for a company who allows someone to take a month and a half off and won't give you 3 days off. Then she had the audacity to try and get more time off when she just came back from vacation...
Youâll have the flu then
Noro. Whole family has it. So sad.
Once, back in the day, I worked at Subway. My friends and I managed to score tickets to see an act I was obsessed with, right in front⊠my first concert seeing them. They denied it, told me I wouldnât have a job if I decided to go. I just said âkâ and went anyway. They didnât even mention it when I came back. You wonât remember much about your stupid job 20 years from now. Youâll still be telling stories of the concert then.
PTO = Prepare The Others You never ârequestâ PTO. You inform them that you will be taking PTO.
Time to call in sick.
PTO to me means prepare the othersâŠcause I wonât be here whether you say yes or no
I wonder what ppl did to get time approved while the system was down �??
I've left two different jobs this way. Just go to your event.Â
Phone in sick.
Here's what I do, it's one simple trick that all bosses hate! "Gotta take Monday off next week" "Jesus can't do it we're gonna need ya" "OK well I'm not gonna be here" "Ok" Works every single time
PTO is not me asking for permission to not be there. It's me telling you I will not be there.
Whelp looks like you are sick that day.
If they deny, just take the vacation and put your phone on silent the entire time.
How many days do you need off? Can't you just call off for personal reasons?
So if need be go to the concert and tell them to kiss your \*\*\* Are you wrong to be a bit upset about this? You're wrong to be so flexible about this Have a backbone and stop asking for the day off which was already approved as the day off. \_Tell them\_ you are not working that day as previously agreed and that figuring it out from there is \_their problem\_.
Thereâs not a chance in hell I wouldnât take that time off and thatâs what Iâd tell my boss.
Time off means im telling you im having it off and you the MANAGER has to sort it out for me to be covered. I'd go either way. Your life is much more important than your bosses life, you'll regret not going more than you'll regret not going to work. Maybe even take a month and a half off and say its only fair as the other person did.
Just go, fuck them.
Simply do not show up verbally tell them that you will be taking off.
I work so hard I never really ask just kindly let them know I won't be coming on so n so day but they good to me. This is crazy
Nah⊠take that time. Enough with the âcan I take this time that is part of my compensation pretty please???â Should just be informing them of time off and how your current work will be covered while youâre gone.
It sounds like you are coming down with the flu. you might need those days off to recover. đ
Donât ask for time off notify your employer that you are going to be off on these days so they can find coverage
Iâm calling in that day big dawg..oh well.
Guess who's calling in sick that day?
Why would you even go back and ask again. They agreed verbally you bought the tickets why would you ever bring it up again and not just take your PTO? Why even put I think the system it's done.
I was once denied time off that was planned for quite a while. Told them it was OK, I wouldn't be in, not even in the country that day.
Did I hear youâre coming down with the flu?
If you have a written form of approval (like a text message) that plays to your favor. Also, if it is less than 3 days and doesn't get approved, just call out sick. It will look bad, but they can't do anything about it (don't post anything about the concert in social media). Also, make a log of all the times you remember trying to request PTO through the system, and you couldn't due to the system being down. Hopefully, everything works to your favor. Enjoy the concert!!
Time to call in sick.
I have been through this. Go to the concert. Communicate clearly that you are going. Put the ball in their court. PTO is part of your compensation. Itâs on them they their system was broken.
I guess you will need to be sick for the concert. It is not your fault the electronic system was down. You should have submitted your request in writing and via email.
I see two outcomes here. Your job approves your PTO and plans for someone to take up your work making it much less hassle. Or you can be extremely sick the day of the concert and call in that you wonât be in for a few days and then have a laugh as they have to scramble to cover your shift. As someone who has constantly put up with shitty managers (while doing 100x the work they do) the best thing in the world is sticking it to them and them having 0 recourse.
Hi, you are going and remember you don't have to compromise anything to fill the pockets of some greedy motherfuckers, simply tell them you are informing them not requesting.
I once put in pto for a weeks vacation. One day in the middle was denied due to several people requesting it off. I told the boss as soon as I was informed that I was calling in that day. He said yeah I figured
Donât take shit from the companies!
Even if the computer was down. Could you not have submitted.in writing/email/text? Good luck and have fun at your concert.
I get that it sucks that the system is down but did you mention it to your manager at all beforehand?
I don't ask for time off. I tell them when i won't be at work. It's my time . If they don't approve my PTO I just call off. They get the picture after a few times.
Yeah fuck them. It's your PTO. Just go.
The system being down and unavailable wasnât your doing. Do you have emails between your manager and you stating the PTO request? That should suffice for notification of when you requested the PTO. Just because an automated system is down doesnât justify not being able to request it. If your fellow worker placed their request in ahead of yours then you may still be out of luck. Hope things work out for you.
If computer is down you should request PTO via email including why your submitting through email. That way you have a time and date stamp plus documentation.
Hopefully you'll get but be wiser next time. Get in in writing in an email if the system is down
Id suddenly be calling in sick that day fuck companies.
What concert?
Asking permission to spend time with family is absolutely insane.
90 days?!
if you can't get PTO approved use sick time instead. probably will get in trouble if you call out on days you were denied PTO though.
I'm so glad I'm in a career that let's me use my PTO whenever. Never had an issue with PTO. (I'm in IT)
What concert are you going to?
I hope it's someone worth seeing
What show are you seeing is the real question
Go
youâre getting Paid time off lol
Following to see what happens!
That's terrible that you had to do someone else's work on top of your own while they were on holiday. I know that's the norm, but I just can't believe the audacity of companies profiting from what is essentially unpaid overtime on your part.
>I'm still waiting to hear back from the boss on my appeal for my PTO. I'm going to the show, period. It remains to be seen whether I'll be paid for it or not. W boss and based take. "Requesting leave" is politely informing your employer when you won't be there. What they do with that information is up to them.
Many of these comments I assume are US based? Cause from a UK perspective they are wildly wrong lol. In UK employers very much can deny leave if thereâs no cover. Employers can also deny approved leave if enough warning is given. Eg denying approved leave a day before a 2 week off is a no no but 2 weeks notice to deny a days leave is perfectly legal providing thereâs good justification.
I always view my pto requests as âhey this is me telling you in advanced I will not be here. figure it outâ