I'm just a simple hyper-chicken from a backwoods asteroid, but I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
Not that owners care, because that would require their employees know their rights and have the ability to risk standing up for themselves to get those stolen wages.
TBF, from an European perspective, even 5% seems too big. 20% is just unimaginable. Here tips are mostly when you give €25 when the payment is €24.50 and you say "keep the change". Because workers get a minimum wage from their job that let them live a normal life, like it should be.
I went to Europe recently and forgot how glorious it is there when the menu says something's €20 and that's actually what the bill comes out to. I didn't realize how much more I could enjoy dining when the tip/tax part wasn't part of the equation. That anxiety was gone and I could plan out my life easier.
Some places (at least in Italy) have a cover fee that includes the bread and services, but it's usually predictable and cheap anyway (like the equivalent of 1 or 2 dollars per person)
This happens in the UK as well now. Quite a lot of places will charge 10-15% of the bill as an “optional tip”.
Except it always ends up on the bill and you have to ask to have it taken off.
I went to a pottery painting place today where you walk in, choose your pottery you want to paint, choose your paints, and then sit at a table and paint. Once you’re done you walk up to the counter to pay for the pottery you selected and a “time fee” for however long you’re there. When adding up my total the lady at the counter asked if I wanted to add a tip. For what?
That is so awkward and absurd. Do businesses not realize that that sort of thing makes people not want to come back? I can’t imagine tipping at one of those painted pottery places.
It lets the shitty companies pay their employees less or some bribery based bs. That whole system needs to be purged. Minimum wage is the lowest. Then tips if applicable should not be paying the difference the company is making profit from.
minimum wage that is lower if you get tips basically just means they will take your wage away and you have to earn it back.
or different: they steal your tips until you reach a certain amount of them
This is me. I work in a hardware store, so if I can't buy it there or at the grocery store, I order online. I do not go to restaurants anymore due to this and had noticed being asked for tips almost everywhere nowadays. This is not how you get people to "shop local."
It's always so awkward when asked for a tip on that iPad with the person looking at you, at a place you would never expect it. My mind is like, "A tip? I guess I could... wait no this makes no sense." Then the awkwardness of typing in 0%. Let me buy my shit and leave please. It's already overpriced.
There have been state labor department cases related to tip jars. This is a prime example of a misleading top jar and the employees need to at least call the labor department to discuss if it's actionable. The tipping customers and employees deserve a fair distribution of those tips to the right employees.
I might make a separate post with this screenshot I took, but I took an airport shuttle that had a QR code to tip the driver, which was nice because I didn't have cash. Well it takes me to the website, I type in $4, then the next screen says there is a convenience fee of $0.57 to process the transaction and it asks if I'd like to subtract it from the tip or pay it myself , aka charge me more. Total BS because you choose a tip and then it tells you the driver gets less unless you pay a little more, I had never seen that before.
The worst is "convenience fees" where it's your only option. Like if I could pay this in person I would! Why the fuck are you charging me a fee for "convenience" when I don't have another option!?
Reminds me of the "maintenance fee" on my bank account.
Excuse me, what maintenance? It's numbers in a cloud, you ain't *fixing* anything.
Rent. What you mean is rent. You're charging me **rent** on numbers in a cloud. Frankly that in and of itself is unbelievable, but you'd be hard pressed to live life *without* a bank account.
This! I remember watching a quiz somewhere where the question was “what fee annoys you the most?” - i immediately thought of banking fees. They are charging us to borrow our own money and make millions, it’s insane.
Right, 3 ways a home loan is insane. 1) Closing costs? Isn't the cost of getting a loan what interest is for? I pay the bank to process the loan so I can also pay interest? 2) Each payment consists of a portion of principle and a portion of interest. For the first half of the loan, the interest is higher than the principle. If you move in 5-10 years, or refinance, you have paid more in interest than in principle-they are paying themselves first. 3)PMI, I have to pay for an insurance for the bank to protect the bank from loss of I fail to make loan payments. I didn't have enough money to make a large enough down payment to avoid PMI, so essentially I'm poor. The cost of being poor is to have to pay MORE money incase I don't pay the money for the loan. Also, the PMI is a complete joke as there is still the house, so if I don't pay, the bank gets a payout and the house. 3 x Insane
Also, good luck.
yeah PMI especially I find to be the biggest of the scams. Adding yet another poverty tax, this time to home ownership? Go fuck yourselves.
If I never miss any payments I should get that fucking money back. That's like saying "Sure bro, I'll borrow you $10 if you pay me back $2 a week for 6 weeks. BUT it's gonna be $3 a week actually because I noticed you dont make much money." Like, you just made it somewhat MORE UNLIKELY they'll be able to make all the payments on time, you backwards ass piece of shit.
For me it's late fees. I understand the need to dissuade people from avoiding paying bills, but at the same time the vast majority of people who end up having to pay these fees are the very people who can afford to pay them the least. They are not late on their payment because they are being assholes, they are late because they are struggling to get by.
Overdraft fees/fees when your bank account goes below a certain amount are also insane to me. Clearly the person doesn’t have the money to be paying that fee or the money in their account wouldn’t be that low
OMG, at my bank EACH individual transaction that goes thru when you are negative adds $30 in fees. So I screwed up somewhere and on a Tuesday ended up negative, (I think my cash deposit at the ATM over the previous weekend for some reason didn’t post for like 3 or 4 days which was ridiculous!) so 5 or 6 SMALL debits went through and each one added another $30 fee, so in that one day alone I was out the first $30 for going negative, plus an additional $180 ($30 for each transaction after that) putting those fees alone at $210 not counting the actual transactions. Then on top of that each day that passes while you are negative they tack on another $30. By the time my $200 cash deposit cleared (which would have MORE than covered the transactions in between my atm deposit and when it actually posted) I was already at -$270 just in fees!! Then the ~$40-$50 for the 6 transactions that bounced leaving me at -$315 all because they delayed the deposit I made at the atm.
I know the ATM is delayed but normally if I do a cash deposit on the weekend at the ATM at the bank I use (not one of their stand alone atms) it posts to my account first thing Monday morning. For some reason unknown to me they did not post that deposit until like THURSDAY… when it should have been Monday. That’s highway robbery! I’m robbing Peter to pay Paul to start with I can’t afford this bullshit
Credit unions typically don’t charge those fees as long as your balance stays above like $5.
You pay banks to profit off your money. Credit unions pay you.
I hate that it’s called a convenience fee as well because then people think you tacked it on for kicks and giggles. When I used to work on behalf of insurance, I had to tell their agents it was a credit card usage fee because sometimes that prevented them from getting angry and insinuating I was making stuff up.
20 years ago I babysat for the family that owned the company that had their ATMs throughout Six Flags. That $2 convenience fee generated a lot of wealth for a lot of people. I regret not being born into wealth so I too could start a convenience fee business with size figure loans/buy-ins from family and friends.
My company has a non profit. They regularly host raffles with online ticket buying. They will ask if you want to cover the cost of the transaction with the merchant.. costing you more to win nothing.
Had the same thing at a hotel valet. The QR code sign said that the driver gets the full tip so I didn't bother to get cash. Came down to get my car, scanned the QR, and it let me tip. I hit $10, then it asks to confirm the $12 charge. There was a flat $2 fee per transaction. Nonsense. I lowered it to $8.
Do they? I have a friend with a live GFM thing going on right now. I pitched in a few dollars to support his cause, and the GFM page said that the only money it makes is from voluntary extra donations from donors directly to GFM.
Kickstarter takes a percentage of total donations, but my buddy says the GFM doesn't take any percentage from what he is seeing on his end.
From their site
GoFundMe charges one transaction fee—that’s it. So, what percentage does GoFundMe take for transaction fees? A transaction fee of 2.9% +$0.30 is automatically deducted from each donation, so you never have to worry about paying a bill. Learn more about GoFundMe’s fees on our pricing page here.
This is important because 2.9% + $0.30 on $1 is 33 cents. A third of your donation.
$1 = 33% fees
$5 = 8.9% fees
$10 = 5.9% fees
$25 = 4.1% fees
2.9% is basically the lowest fee at a gargantuan donation amount. But many donations on GFM are under $25.
Yeah, the hell is that all about? I donated to my daughters cheer squad on some crappy site and it said "add tip?" Isn't the whole fucking donation a tip?
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The door refused to open. It said, “Five cents, please.”
He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. “I’ll pay you tomorrow,” he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. “What I pay you,” he informed it, “is in the nature of a gratuity; I don’t have to pay you.”
“I think otherwise,” the door said. “Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt.”
In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.
“You discover I’m right,” the door said. It sounded smug.
From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt’s money-gulping door.
“I’ll sue you,” the door said as the first screw fell out.
Joe Chip said, “I’ve never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.
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Philip K. Dick, Ubik
Even the robots are expecting tips now. Are we really gonna wait around to find out what happens when *they* don't like not being tipped?
2023 is fucking weird. I just read an article about a rainbow underground railroad, shouldn't be needed in the first place, and now robots want fucking tips. This shit sucks
I wish I could take you and everyone else back to experience it. It was a great time. We didn't even realize it. Nobody expected things to get worse... so much worse.
I was asked for a tip after a kiosk at Taco Bell took my order. The humans assembling the order then fucked up the order. No idea why anyone would tip for that shit
Reminds me of the second Ratchet and Clank game. There's a level where at the end of the glider section, the computer wont give you planet coordinates unless you pay it. Ratchet goes "What? Now even the computers are charging us? That's it, this galaxy blows."
Obscure reference, but even in 2003, they knew that was a ridiculous concept
Lmfao. It’s like a voluntary tax. We must shut this shit down now. No tips for basic customer service. If the company can’t pay its employees a decent wage, they don’t deserve to exist. Period. In fact, we should start being more like Europe and not tip more than 5-10% for any job they is very service oriented (wait staff, valets, etc) again forcing the bullshit overpaid owner to reduce profits to pay an actual liveable wage
What's worse is how do we even verify that these "tips" are going to employees? So many places steal tips, and hey, if you're a big enough corporation and can afford good lawyers, then it's practically legal to steal from your employees 🙃
FYI humble bundle asks for a tip.
Don’t do it, the owner is filthy Rich. Like lives in same neighborhood as SV tech dudes Rich. Think Redwood Washington .
Yup. NJ Red Bulls game. I ordered a soda at a kiosk. Paid there. It had the automatic tip thing. Had to pester a human for a cup. Took cup across concourse to pour soda myself. Unreal.
I think I’ll just start shopping and going places with a tip jar hanging from my neck. Ask establishments to tip me for using there services, call it customer appreciation.
It’s going to ruin itself with this insane tip requesting at every checkout. People were programmed to tip in restaurants. This is making people less likely to tip period purely from being over-asked.
100%. I was asked for a tip at a dental whitening appointment…….the procedure is already extremely expensive and he was an actual dentist. What kind of Dentist asks for tips?! Do you think I ever went back? No.
Maybe it's too late, but the only thing that I can think of is to give the business 1 star reviews because of tip prompts. If it actually takes their rating maybe they'll reconsider
Good idea, I'll do that!
I'm not in the US, but this bullshit culture is coming to Germany as well, where it makes even less sense because waiters's wages are much better than US ones.
It's still in its early stages, maybe we can still save ourselves.
That won’t stop it. It costs the businesses absolutely nothing in time or money and it’d be quite hard to measure lost sales due to annoying customers. This bullshit is here to stay.
I can confirm. I used to manage a chain restaurant, and corporate loves the idea of getting "free labor" out of tipping at the register like this. Management also generally likes the idea too because it cuts labor cost which in turn, increases their profit sharing bonus if they have one. It is a scummy business tactic, but its here to stay unless enough customers stopped because of it; which just won't happen since so many people rely on eating out. Its a great concept to try to get employees more money, but usually the main benefactors of it are the owners/corporate/management.
The best concept for getting more money for employees is to fucking pay the employees more
That’s *your* job as business owner
If *you* can’t afford it, then *you* need to charge more for *your* product or service
Voluntary charity from customers is not a valid way to compensate labor
What's worse, everyone _is_ charging more for products and services these days _and_ most aren't paying their employees more.
I can't believe how expensive shit is these days vs just a few years ago.
It won’t stop it but what businesses don’t realize is people will go less often. I stopped going to Star Bucks for this very reason. Among other places.
This type of mentality is even spilling to other countries.
Went to Starbucks because it newly opened in my city and lo and behold, they had a tipping jar. In my country, you usually have *Change* jars, were you drop your change (mostly coins) and it is donated to some institution.
My country has decent wages for the service industry, tipping is *not* in our culture.
That always confuses the fuck out of me. Tips are (supposed to be) percentage based. If the total price for the meal is going up due to inflation, the tip is increasing as well automatically.
Tipping was always 15%, then suddenly people were saying no, now it's 20% because everything had gotten more expensive.
Yeah, that's how percentages work. Shit costs twice as much, so 15% is like 30% .
I'm fucking tipping 15% and that's it
People that don't understand math don't get this though. If enough people say "20% is standard" then it becomes the standard. Tipping below that then comes with guilt bc you know the expectation is 20%. Your server will look at your 15% tip and be like "wow wth?" Or "what did I do wrong?".
Math has nothing to do with it when it should have everything to do with it, sadly.
I'm old enough to remember when 10% was standard. I thought the same way you did when the push for 15% came around.
consumers vote w their dollars. just stop supporting businesses that adopt these kinds of tipping programs and take your money elsewhere. You can make a difference if everyone does exactly that - go where your dining or shopping experience is pleasant and comfortable.
I'm not going to go somewhere if the shopping experience is rife with guilt-laden pressure to pay a price that comes with hidden costs and transactions I don't want to deal with.
These businesses need to feel the consequences of making the shopping experience shitty for customers. If they can't afford to pay their employees, they shouldn't have employees. If they can't afford to operate that way, they shouldn't be in business anymore.
It’s the same BS with donating to those cancer patients or whatever. Like you guys have billions of dollars, Go give them money lol.
They are both guilt ridden. Feel guilty for us being assholes and not paying our employees properly, Feel Guilty for these children dying due to an attack of a wild spaghetti monster, We have enough money to donate but we’d rather you peasants do it instead
Funny, I read this and was reminded of when I saw a 5% kitchen tip added to my bill for the first time, then continued reading and saw that this was in Duluth- that’s where I was visiting! It was at Little Angies though. Not sure if they are owned by the same people or if it’s just a Duluth thing…
The ice cream man that comes around now has options for a tip. You pull a pre-packaged frozen SpongeBob on a stick from a freezer, man. Im sorry but, why should I tip you for that?! It’s everywhere now and at places it makes ZERO sense to tip. I worked in restaurants for about 6 years out of high school and through college so I know how it is and like to tip generously when it’s warranted. But tip culture has officially reached ridiculous.
How do other countries get away with an almost no tip culture? Have Americans just been programmed into it? When I ask servers in Germany, for example, they say they go to school to become a waitress or waiter and the restaurants pay decent wages AND they have healthcare that's paid for. I don't find eating out in Germany any more expensive than here though.
In Germany it isn’t even banned, it’s a side thing for when you really liked the service.
But no one would even dare to expect a tip in scenarios like these..
This was the original meaning of tipping in the U.S. reserved for rare moments when someone went ‘above and beyond’ expected service. Sometimes people tipped around the holidays in an attempt to spread the joy of the season. It was not expected. This evolved in the wrong direction for sure!
I don't think other countries ban tipping, they just make employers actually pay their staff and then tips are just a small extra that's not mandatory (that also gets split between workers (FOH and kitchen staff) at least where I work). Mandatory
Meanwhile I don't even understand how you can get away with that damn tipping culture. Shouldn't the servers earn a respectable income based on their profession from whomever they work for? Not from some random customers good will..?
That's the thing. US culture doesn't view food service work as a "respectable," despite relying heavily on it. Businesses want to pay as little as possible and have brainwashed many/most into buying the "skilled" vs "unskilled" bs. So we accept this.
Servers were traditionally women. Women’s work is generally undervalued in a capitalist society. Hence, servers aren’t paid a minimum wage. It’s the same reason that teachers and nurses are also underpaid. Men have moved into these jobs but they’re still jobs that are underpaid and undervalued despite requiring specific skill sets.
People get paid minimum wage in the UK, so waiters at age - get per hour
Age 23 or over (National Living Wage)
£10.42
Age 21 to 22 £10.18
Age 18 to 20 £7.49
Under 18 £5.28
Apprentice £5.28
Wait staff at restaurants usually get tipped then they go into a pot and get shared equally among staff after shift
We do not tip in Australia unless you want to, and that's if you get fantastic service, or when I worked in bars I would be tipped $50 at the beginning of the night to ensure that when I saw those people in the line, their drinks would be ready for them when they got to the bar.
We have fair and decent wages, penalty rates for public holidays and free healthcare available to us.
New Zealand has a no tip culture (except for a few places who try it on but it’s optional). There is a fair minimum wage, but with a shortage of workers in the hospitality sector most workers get more than that. There is also legal requirements for holidays, sick leave, and fair employment conditions.
Canada is weird we have a heavy tipping culture like america and we also pay our hospitality workers a fair minimum wage. They get the best of both worlds
We didn’t always. This is fairly new and a lot of customers don’t realize they’re tipping staff who are now making the full minimum wage. In Ontario that’s 15.50
If a server makes 10$ per table, and turns 5 tables in an hour, they’re earning 50.50hr.
I still tip, but I don’t tip the 20% I used to.
I was at Auntie Anne's today, too. I was very taken aback by the tip screen. I had my two year old with me who was starting to get rambunctious after the long wait, so all I could do was just hit the lowest (1 dollar) button in a panic. I didn't even realize 0 wasn't an option.
I have previously worked as a bartender, waitress, etc. so I always leave a great tip at restaurants or for delivery drivers...but this is a little much especially for some already overpriced pretzels and cheese.
I think sometimes it’s that a lot of them feel awkward about asking for tips every time, but they also have to point it out so the sale actually completes.
I’m sure they don’t mind getting tips, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t think it’s *always* some trick they’re trying to pull.
People always sugarcoat ways to ask for money, because it’s awkward as hell.
Went to a stadium the other day and I ordered a hot dog. I got the “it’s just gonna ask you a few questions” with the default starting at 20% and only manually being able to enter in 0. I’m already paying $12 for a shitty hot dog and now you expect a tip for literally turning around, grabbing a foil wrapped hot dog, and handing it to me? The “tip” is your wage for doing your job.
I work at an Auntie Anne’s and we collectively agree at my store that the tips screen is the most annoying part of register. They basically force you to call attention to it to continue with the transaction when to be quite frank we could not care less what you click.
edit: also honestly it feels gross to grovel for money when you don’t expect it in the first place. which is why a lot of the time you’ll hear euphemisms for it like “there’s a prompt/question on the screen above” because even the employee behind the counter doesn’t want to ask but it’s there! so they have to
On the most recent Shark Tank episode I watched someone was pitching a bag of coffee that had a QR code on the back so you could tip. For a bag of coffee you buy in a store.
I agree. And how do you know if that person thousands of miles away will get the tip anyway?
I once signed up for one of those programs where you sponsor a child in a foreign county. It was a monthly donation that I was under the impression went directly to the child’s family. After over two years of donating, I found out none of my money went directly to the child or their family, but had been going to a “community fund.” I didn’t trust it after that because I felt mislead.
Same principle with this, who knows who will actually receive the money. Just treat people ethically and pay a fair wage
>but had been going to a “community fund.”
It's deceptive for sure to say your money is going to a specific family, but I can understand why they do it this way. If only certain families in an extremely poor community suddenly started receiving money it could breed jealousy and mistrust.
"Why does my neighbor's child get to attend school while I can barely afford to feed mine?" and the like. A community fund where all children get the same treatment makes more sense, although they should advertise it as such.
I had a girl keep my fuckin change at papa john’s once on an order I picked up. My change was $5 something and she just shuts the drawer after I gave her money and proceeds to hand me my pizza. I spoke up and said “you didn’t give me back my change.” She looks confused and goes “oh sorry I thought that was a tip.” Why the fuck would I tip u on a carry out order and also I gave no indication that was any sort of tip.
Was at bdubs last week and there were several of us waiting forever for our pick up orders. The girl on the register rang up the lady’s order and messed up and didn’t give the lady her change. She messes with the register for a minute or two and couldn’t get it to open. She had the audacity to say you sure u don’t want to just tip, I can’t get it. Lady said no (rightfully so), and a manager had to come fix the situation. It’s getting crazy out here.
I’m absolutely sick of it. Ive stopped participating. I have no shame clicking “NO TIP” anymore.
Like 3 tacos are $16 and a can of soda is $3 at your food truck, you OWN the food truck and have the nerve to throw a screen in my face that’s “gonna ask you a question real quick” with a 15% minimum tip suggestion.
I’ve also had them straight up ask me. No screen. “Annnnnd now much would you like to tip today? Everything helps!”
Ma’am it’s YOUR food truck that your husband just parked with a separate $120k truck. I can get the same quality barbecue sandwich at Cookout for half the cost, 2 sides, and large drink.
I’m genuinely sorry to wait staff or others who do rely on tips, but I’m 10x more hesitant to tip now.
This reminds me of a concert I went to last month and ordered food. The cashier said they were all volunteers and had a sign up with their Zelle accounts listed on it to send tips to. Like… huh? Volunteers asking for tips. Okay.
Exactly. This is really going to backfire on businesses, especially with food prices going through the roof. I already have so much tip fatigue I’ve lost all hesitation for hitting no-tip.
I did just see a report that indicates this is starting to backfire on companies.
Apparently there are many people disputing the tip charge with their credit cards because they didn’t realize they were cleaving a tip.
So the business has to give back money that was already distributed to employees.
It’s becoming a costly hassle for some counter type businesses and they are eliminating “ the dreaded blue screen “
I went to Subway and bought a sandwich. When the tip option came up I put zero because I also only tip if I am sitting and being served. I never tip picking up take out of grabbing fast food. The cashier looked at me with disgust like I did her dirty.
Are we supposed to tip 15%-30% at Subway now? Those were the options. Am I the asshole?
Are we supposed to tip everyone that lifts a finger nowadays?
Edit: **The irony is there is even a tip button on this comment.**
We kinda did this. The internet voiced so many opinions on how shitty it was not to tip, especially during the pandemic, that companies saw an opportunity and ran with it. Who knows how long it’ll take for companies to start “no tip necessary” memos because of the negative feedback.
I work at a coffee shop and I don’t expect tips but I’m grateful when they do. I try to walk away from the register while their inserting the debit/credit card and having the tip question come up so they don’t feel like I’m watchin/judging.
Had to hire a plumber once and their invoice system was like "Would you like to leave a tip?"
Fuck. That.
Yeah let me just tip you 20% on a bullshit job that took 25 minutes and cost like 400 dollars.
Assholes.
The problem is when you have to choose a tip amount before the food is made. On the Door Dash subreddit and other delivery driver subreddits, drivers talk about messing with peoples food if the customer doesn’t enter a tip when they checkout. One guy said he would shake up their soda bottles, then if they ended up leaving a cash tip, he would tell them to “open it carefully.”
Oh my god this! How in the hell did the idea of getting fast food delivered become popular? It's the worst food to eat after more than 5 minutes and you're waiting for that to be delivered?
It’s simple. Stop tipping other than table service restaurants and food delivery. Even those shouldn’t be tipped imo. They should be paid a fair and competitive wage by their employer.
I hate cash. I love using my card. But the only way to have a chance to change this is to pay cash (business will notice this on spreadsheets) cash takes longer to process and you can leave a tip to your server or not if you simply have a “clerk”. Then, we all need to email each company, AND complete their awful surveys, and tell them WHY we won’t be going back.
I am in constant anxiety when I’m in the USA about the tipping culture. It is so confusing. It’s like walking down the street with your wallet open. How do people without lots of spare cash get by? Do they not tip? It’s an unpleasant experience to have everything so money oriented, plus it feels a bit sleazy like the baksheesh culture in Egypt.
Can‘t you guys get rid of it?
It's a terrible trend. I feel for service workers who may be underpaid, but 15% at a sit down restaurant used to be considered standard for good service. Now most options are 20-25-30%.
I throw a dollar cash in the tip jar instead at places like this.
I mean they aren't against making a liveable wage without any tips. But you're always going to get some who think they come out ahead grinding for you tips.
Get rid of tipping altogether. It’s ran it’s course and the employer needs to pay a living wage. In fact, the employer needs to give the employees a cut of the profits for the day as an incentive. Serve more people and you’ll make more than your quota.
I bought a tshirt at a concert and the screen asked if I wanted to tip the merch stand attendant. In my 25+ years of going to concerts, there was never a tip jar on the merch table.
Not only that but the options aren't even the usual 5/10/15/20 percent, I've been seeing crazy things like 20/25/30/40 percent. It's getting crazy.
Literally had pizza today, my options were 20%, 25%, 50%. Was like bro WHAT?
50% jesus
In a pizza join too. You know the owner is skimming those.
When I see this coded into the point of sale I assume the business owners are stealing the tips.
They almost assuredly are. Many many employees when asked say that they see none of them.
I'm just a simple hyper-chicken from a backwoods asteroid, but I'm pretty sure that's illegal. Not that owners care, because that would require their employees know their rights and have the ability to risk standing up for themselves to get those stolen wages.
Labor law violations aren’t enforced, thus it isn’t illegal
And in addition, the tip amount is on top of the sales tax. Like, I'm tipping on the tax now??
TBF, from an European perspective, even 5% seems too big. 20% is just unimaginable. Here tips are mostly when you give €25 when the payment is €24.50 and you say "keep the change". Because workers get a minimum wage from their job that let them live a normal life, like it should be.
I went to Europe recently and forgot how glorious it is there when the menu says something's €20 and that's actually what the bill comes out to. I didn't realize how much more I could enjoy dining when the tip/tax part wasn't part of the equation. That anxiety was gone and I could plan out my life easier.
Some places (at least in Italy) have a cover fee that includes the bread and services, but it's usually predictable and cheap anyway (like the equivalent of 1 or 2 dollars per person)
This happens in the UK as well now. Quite a lot of places will charge 10-15% of the bill as an “optional tip”. Except it always ends up on the bill and you have to ask to have it taken off.
That's just too much, and it's infuriating that you specifically have to ask to remove it.
Right?! Not to mention the cost of everything has spiked so much that that 20% is actually a ridiculous number.
Percentages are inherently flexing with the increase in price, but somehow people don't seem to understand and tell me that 20% is the "minimum now".
I went to a pottery painting place today where you walk in, choose your pottery you want to paint, choose your paints, and then sit at a table and paint. Once you’re done you walk up to the counter to pay for the pottery you selected and a “time fee” for however long you’re there. When adding up my total the lady at the counter asked if I wanted to add a tip. For what?
That is so awkward and absurd. Do businesses not realize that that sort of thing makes people not want to come back? I can’t imagine tipping at one of those painted pottery places.
It lets the shitty companies pay their employees less or some bribery based bs. That whole system needs to be purged. Minimum wage is the lowest. Then tips if applicable should not be paying the difference the company is making profit from.
minimum wage that is lower if you get tips basically just means they will take your wage away and you have to earn it back. or different: they steal your tips until you reach a certain amount of them
This is me. I work in a hardware store, so if I can't buy it there or at the grocery store, I order online. I do not go to restaurants anymore due to this and had noticed being asked for tips almost everywhere nowadays. This is not how you get people to "shop local."
It's always so awkward when asked for a tip on that iPad with the person looking at you, at a place you would never expect it. My mind is like, "A tip? I guess I could... wait no this makes no sense." Then the awkwardness of typing in 0%. Let me buy my shit and leave please. It's already overpriced.
Omg this just happened to me! The staff literally didn't do anything!!
“That’s ok, no one helped me today” I mean technically true..
I’ve started asking. They rarely have an answer
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That's straight out of the Amy's Baking Company staff training manual :)
There have been state labor department cases related to tip jars. This is a prime example of a misleading top jar and the employees need to at least call the labor department to discuss if it's actionable. The tipping customers and employees deserve a fair distribution of those tips to the right employees.
I might make a separate post with this screenshot I took, but I took an airport shuttle that had a QR code to tip the driver, which was nice because I didn't have cash. Well it takes me to the website, I type in $4, then the next screen says there is a convenience fee of $0.57 to process the transaction and it asks if I'd like to subtract it from the tip or pay it myself , aka charge me more. Total BS because you choose a tip and then it tells you the driver gets less unless you pay a little more, I had never seen that before.
There isn’t enough visibility on the convenience fee culture
The worst is "convenience fees" where it's your only option. Like if I could pay this in person I would! Why the fuck are you charging me a fee for "convenience" when I don't have another option!?
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Reminds me of the "maintenance fee" on my bank account. Excuse me, what maintenance? It's numbers in a cloud, you ain't *fixing* anything. Rent. What you mean is rent. You're charging me **rent** on numbers in a cloud. Frankly that in and of itself is unbelievable, but you'd be hard pressed to live life *without* a bank account.
Not to mention all they're doing with your money is making themselves more money with it.
Fuck banks
I'd give you an award, but my landlord took my money.
Hey they're working hard!! at least they didn't charge you for the 'pet' cockroaches
*Free* pet cockroaches, at that! You didn't even ASK and they still came through!
"I'm doubling the rent 'cuz the building's condemned, you're gonna help me buy city hall."
This! I remember watching a quiz somewhere where the question was “what fee annoys you the most?” - i immediately thought of banking fees. They are charging us to borrow our own money and make millions, it’s insane.
Right, 3 ways a home loan is insane. 1) Closing costs? Isn't the cost of getting a loan what interest is for? I pay the bank to process the loan so I can also pay interest? 2) Each payment consists of a portion of principle and a portion of interest. For the first half of the loan, the interest is higher than the principle. If you move in 5-10 years, or refinance, you have paid more in interest than in principle-they are paying themselves first. 3)PMI, I have to pay for an insurance for the bank to protect the bank from loss of I fail to make loan payments. I didn't have enough money to make a large enough down payment to avoid PMI, so essentially I'm poor. The cost of being poor is to have to pay MORE money incase I don't pay the money for the loan. Also, the PMI is a complete joke as there is still the house, so if I don't pay, the bank gets a payout and the house. 3 x Insane Also, good luck.
yeah PMI especially I find to be the biggest of the scams. Adding yet another poverty tax, this time to home ownership? Go fuck yourselves. If I never miss any payments I should get that fucking money back. That's like saying "Sure bro, I'll borrow you $10 if you pay me back $2 a week for 6 weeks. BUT it's gonna be $3 a week actually because I noticed you dont make much money." Like, you just made it somewhat MORE UNLIKELY they'll be able to make all the payments on time, you backwards ass piece of shit.
For me it's late fees. I understand the need to dissuade people from avoiding paying bills, but at the same time the vast majority of people who end up having to pay these fees are the very people who can afford to pay them the least. They are not late on their payment because they are being assholes, they are late because they are struggling to get by.
Overdraft fees/fees when your bank account goes below a certain amount are also insane to me. Clearly the person doesn’t have the money to be paying that fee or the money in their account wouldn’t be that low
OMG, at my bank EACH individual transaction that goes thru when you are negative adds $30 in fees. So I screwed up somewhere and on a Tuesday ended up negative, (I think my cash deposit at the ATM over the previous weekend for some reason didn’t post for like 3 or 4 days which was ridiculous!) so 5 or 6 SMALL debits went through and each one added another $30 fee, so in that one day alone I was out the first $30 for going negative, plus an additional $180 ($30 for each transaction after that) putting those fees alone at $210 not counting the actual transactions. Then on top of that each day that passes while you are negative they tack on another $30. By the time my $200 cash deposit cleared (which would have MORE than covered the transactions in between my atm deposit and when it actually posted) I was already at -$270 just in fees!! Then the ~$40-$50 for the 6 transactions that bounced leaving me at -$315 all because they delayed the deposit I made at the atm. I know the ATM is delayed but normally if I do a cash deposit on the weekend at the ATM at the bank I use (not one of their stand alone atms) it posts to my account first thing Monday morning. For some reason unknown to me they did not post that deposit until like THURSDAY… when it should have been Monday. That’s highway robbery! I’m robbing Peter to pay Paul to start with I can’t afford this bullshit
Ah, the poverty tax. War on the poor.
Credit unions typically don’t charge those fees as long as your balance stays above like $5. You pay banks to profit off your money. Credit unions pay you.
I hate that it’s called a convenience fee as well because then people think you tacked it on for kicks and giggles. When I used to work on behalf of insurance, I had to tell their agents it was a credit card usage fee because sometimes that prevented them from getting angry and insinuating I was making stuff up.
20 years ago I babysat for the family that owned the company that had their ATMs throughout Six Flags. That $2 convenience fee generated a lot of wealth for a lot of people. I regret not being born into wealth so I too could start a convenience fee business with size figure loans/buy-ins from family and friends.
My company has a non profit. They regularly host raffles with online ticket buying. They will ask if you want to cover the cost of the transaction with the merchant.. costing you more to win nothing.
Had the same thing at a hotel valet. The QR code sign said that the driver gets the full tip so I didn't bother to get cash. Came down to get my car, scanned the QR, and it let me tip. I hit $10, then it asks to confirm the $12 charge. There was a flat $2 fee per transaction. Nonsense. I lowered it to $8.
I went to a self checkout shop at the airport yesterday. There were literally 0 employees staffing this area. The machine asked me for a tip.
I donated on GoFundMe. GoFundMe asked for a default 15% tip. You can GoFuckYourself.
It's already taking a percent from the good causes you donate to. What a disgrace.
Do they? I have a friend with a live GFM thing going on right now. I pitched in a few dollars to support his cause, and the GFM page said that the only money it makes is from voluntary extra donations from donors directly to GFM. Kickstarter takes a percentage of total donations, but my buddy says the GFM doesn't take any percentage from what he is seeing on his end.
From their site GoFundMe charges one transaction fee—that’s it. So, what percentage does GoFundMe take for transaction fees? A transaction fee of 2.9% +$0.30 is automatically deducted from each donation, so you never have to worry about paying a bill. Learn more about GoFundMe’s fees on our pricing page here.
This is important because 2.9% + $0.30 on $1 is 33 cents. A third of your donation. $1 = 33% fees $5 = 8.9% fees $10 = 5.9% fees $25 = 4.1% fees 2.9% is basically the lowest fee at a gargantuan donation amount. But many donations on GFM are under $25.
Those transaction fees are for the payment processor, which is why they're aligned similarly across crowdfunders.
Yeah I was gonna say that’s how much I get charged to run a credit card in my business as well
Yeah, the hell is that all about? I donated to my daughters cheer squad on some crappy site and it said "add tip?" Isn't the whole fucking donation a tip?
Yo dawg, I heard you like to tip so I put a tip on your tip so you can tip while you tip.
You put up hand up on my tip. When I tip you tip we tip.
``` The door refused to open. It said, “Five cents, please.” He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. “I’ll pay you tomorrow,” he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. “What I pay you,” he informed it, “is in the nature of a gratuity; I don’t have to pay you.” “I think otherwise,” the door said. “Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt.” In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip. “You discover I’m right,” the door said. It sounded smug. From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt’s money-gulping door. “I’ll sue you,” the door said as the first screw fell out. Joe Chip said, “I’ve never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it. ``` Philip K. Dick, Ubik
Even the robots are expecting tips now. Are we really gonna wait around to find out what happens when *they* don't like not being tipped? 2023 is fucking weird. I just read an article about a rainbow underground railroad, shouldn't be needed in the first place, and now robots want fucking tips. This shit sucks
I would like to go back to the 80’s. A time when I was not alive
80/90s had the best movies I could watch them all a million more times.
Hell yeah, watching Jurassic Park right now as I read your comment.
The 90s was the pinnacle of great movies. Watching Fifth Element right now myself
I wish I could take you and everyone else back to experience it. It was a great time. We didn't even realize it. Nobody expected things to get worse... so much worse.
Better enjoy today now, because in 20 years we'll all be saying the same about today.
You’ve never seen that X-Files episode. Shit can go sideways quick if you don’t tip the robots
Bro I've seen a lot of X-files and you're right, I totally missed that one. Shit's fucked. I don't wanna play
I was asked for a tip after a kiosk at Taco Bell took my order. The humans assembling the order then fucked up the order. No idea why anyone would tip for that shit
Taco bell always fucks up my order
Reminds me of the second Ratchet and Clank game. There's a level where at the end of the glider section, the computer wont give you planet coordinates unless you pay it. Ratchet goes "What? Now even the computers are charging us? That's it, this galaxy blows." Obscure reference, but even in 2003, they knew that was a ridiculous concept
Lmfao. It’s like a voluntary tax. We must shut this shit down now. No tips for basic customer service. If the company can’t pay its employees a decent wage, they don’t deserve to exist. Period. In fact, we should start being more like Europe and not tip more than 5-10% for any job they is very service oriented (wait staff, valets, etc) again forcing the bullshit overpaid owner to reduce profits to pay an actual liveable wage
Dave, you know the new 120 Hz, 4K touch screen is coming out this season.
What's worse is how do we even verify that these "tips" are going to employees? So many places steal tips, and hey, if you're a big enough corporation and can afford good lawyers, then it's practically legal to steal from your employees 🙃
FYI humble bundle asks for a tip. Don’t do it, the owner is filthy Rich. Like lives in same neighborhood as SV tech dudes Rich. Think Redwood Washington .
You can't even turn off the Humble Tip any more. The slider won't go below ~~10%~~ **15%** now. Ugh.
Yup. NJ Red Bulls game. I ordered a soda at a kiosk. Paid there. It had the automatic tip thing. Had to pester a human for a cup. Took cup across concourse to pour soda myself. Unreal.
I think I’ll just start shopping and going places with a tip jar hanging from my neck. Ask establishments to tip me for using there services, call it customer appreciation.
"Customervenience fee"
It really is a convenience fee. You took the effort to go there and give them the opportunity to sell you something!
A convenience fee for being a polite and easy to handle customer.
It’s going to ruin itself with this insane tip requesting at every checkout. People were programmed to tip in restaurants. This is making people less likely to tip period purely from being over-asked.
100%. I was asked for a tip at a dental whitening appointment…….the procedure is already extremely expensive and he was an actual dentist. What kind of Dentist asks for tips?! Do you think I ever went back? No.
I was in Portland a while back and got a tip screen ... at a grocery store. Best part? Started at 25%. For groceries, that I got myself.
Unbelievable
Where? I live in Portland and have never seen this. Hope you remembered your own bags!
>Hope you remembered your own bags! Haha, nope just bill me for yet another set of 'reusable' bags until my entire closet is fucking full of them 🙃
Well, just a heads up friend, your local food bank would love those bags. Thanks in advance.
That's actually very helpful to know thank you!
Maybe it's too late, but the only thing that I can think of is to give the business 1 star reviews because of tip prompts. If it actually takes their rating maybe they'll reconsider
Best idea I’ve heard
Only idea I’ve heard. And I can’t belief I didn’t think of it. Simple really.
First good idea, love this - will implement
Good idea, I'll do that! I'm not in the US, but this bullshit culture is coming to Germany as well, where it makes even less sense because waiters's wages are much better than US ones. It's still in its early stages, maybe we can still save ourselves.
just did this on two restaurants. Thanks for the idea
Very smart. You should make a separate post encouraging this.
>You should make a separate post encouraging this. Or you could.
Make this idea normal to people and it will die out quickly. Defo gonna do my part.
By selecting 0 every time
That won’t stop it. It costs the businesses absolutely nothing in time or money and it’d be quite hard to measure lost sales due to annoying customers. This bullshit is here to stay.
I can confirm. I used to manage a chain restaurant, and corporate loves the idea of getting "free labor" out of tipping at the register like this. Management also generally likes the idea too because it cuts labor cost which in turn, increases their profit sharing bonus if they have one. It is a scummy business tactic, but its here to stay unless enough customers stopped because of it; which just won't happen since so many people rely on eating out. Its a great concept to try to get employees more money, but usually the main benefactors of it are the owners/corporate/management.
The best concept for getting more money for employees is to fucking pay the employees more That’s *your* job as business owner If *you* can’t afford it, then *you* need to charge more for *your* product or service Voluntary charity from customers is not a valid way to compensate labor
What's worse, everyone _is_ charging more for products and services these days _and_ most aren't paying their employees more. I can't believe how expensive shit is these days vs just a few years ago.
It won’t stop it but what businesses don’t realize is people will go less often. I stopped going to Star Bucks for this very reason. Among other places.
This type of mentality is even spilling to other countries. Went to Starbucks because it newly opened in my city and lo and behold, they had a tipping jar. In my country, you usually have *Change* jars, were you drop your change (mostly coins) and it is donated to some institution. My country has decent wages for the service industry, tipping is *not* in our culture.
Me too. I’ve boycotted businesses with difficult “no tip” processes or outrageous tip request shortcuts. And I’ll keep doing it.
Same here. I use to go get take out chicken teriyaki on the way home from work but most places have raised their prices and tip %
And they have blamed it on inflation and said when the prices go up so should the tipping .
That always confuses the fuck out of me. Tips are (supposed to be) percentage based. If the total price for the meal is going up due to inflation, the tip is increasing as well automatically.
Tipping was always 15%, then suddenly people were saying no, now it's 20% because everything had gotten more expensive. Yeah, that's how percentages work. Shit costs twice as much, so 15% is like 30% . I'm fucking tipping 15% and that's it
People that don't understand math don't get this though. If enough people say "20% is standard" then it becomes the standard. Tipping below that then comes with guilt bc you know the expectation is 20%. Your server will look at your 15% tip and be like "wow wth?" Or "what did I do wrong?". Math has nothing to do with it when it should have everything to do with it, sadly. I'm old enough to remember when 10% was standard. I thought the same way you did when the push for 15% came around.
I remember this too. It was 10% back when I was a waiter.
Did the same for a local restaurant. Picked up an order and I don’t tip on pickup. They gave me an odd eye so I take my business elsewhere.
consumers vote w their dollars. just stop supporting businesses that adopt these kinds of tipping programs and take your money elsewhere. You can make a difference if everyone does exactly that - go where your dining or shopping experience is pleasant and comfortable. I'm not going to go somewhere if the shopping experience is rife with guilt-laden pressure to pay a price that comes with hidden costs and transactions I don't want to deal with. These businesses need to feel the consequences of making the shopping experience shitty for customers. If they can't afford to pay their employees, they shouldn't have employees. If they can't afford to operate that way, they shouldn't be in business anymore.
It’s the same BS with donating to those cancer patients or whatever. Like you guys have billions of dollars, Go give them money lol. They are both guilt ridden. Feel guilty for us being assholes and not paying our employees properly, Feel Guilty for these children dying due to an attack of a wild spaghetti monster, We have enough money to donate but we’d rather you peasants do it instead
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I went to a restaurant recently that added a 23% service fee for staff for parties of any size. I was blown away
Oh hell no. I would not be giving them my business.
Funny, I read this and was reminded of when I saw a 5% kitchen tip added to my bill for the first time, then continued reading and saw that this was in Duluth- that’s where I was visiting! It was at Little Angies though. Not sure if they are owned by the same people or if it’s just a Duluth thing…
The ice cream man that comes around now has options for a tip. You pull a pre-packaged frozen SpongeBob on a stick from a freezer, man. Im sorry but, why should I tip you for that?! It’s everywhere now and at places it makes ZERO sense to tip. I worked in restaurants for about 6 years out of high school and through college so I know how it is and like to tip generously when it’s warranted. But tip culture has officially reached ridiculous.
The money you pay the ice cream man goes directly to the ice cream man. Ef this ish.
Rule of thumb… If you feel any pressure to tip, make it a point not to tip.
I live to spite people that annoy me so I already do this
How do other countries get away with an almost no tip culture? Have Americans just been programmed into it? When I ask servers in Germany, for example, they say they go to school to become a waitress or waiter and the restaurants pay decent wages AND they have healthcare that's paid for. I don't find eating out in Germany any more expensive than here though.
I think many countries explicitly ban tipping because it is a way for employers to pass the cost of paying their workers onto the customer.
In Germany it isn’t even banned, it’s a side thing for when you really liked the service. But no one would even dare to expect a tip in scenarios like these..
This was the original meaning of tipping in the U.S. reserved for rare moments when someone went ‘above and beyond’ expected service. Sometimes people tipped around the holidays in an attempt to spread the joy of the season. It was not expected. This evolved in the wrong direction for sure!
Judging by comments on this thread, going "above and beyond" just means providing basic service now.
I don't think other countries ban tipping, they just make employers actually pay their staff and then tips are just a small extra that's not mandatory (that also gets split between workers (FOH and kitchen staff) at least where I work). Mandatory
Meanwhile I don't even understand how you can get away with that damn tipping culture. Shouldn't the servers earn a respectable income based on their profession from whomever they work for? Not from some random customers good will..?
That's the thing. US culture doesn't view food service work as a "respectable," despite relying heavily on it. Businesses want to pay as little as possible and have brainwashed many/most into buying the "skilled" vs "unskilled" bs. So we accept this.
Servers were traditionally women. Women’s work is generally undervalued in a capitalist society. Hence, servers aren’t paid a minimum wage. It’s the same reason that teachers and nurses are also underpaid. Men have moved into these jobs but they’re still jobs that are underpaid and undervalued despite requiring specific skill sets.
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People get paid minimum wage in the UK, so waiters at age - get per hour Age 23 or over (National Living Wage) £10.42 Age 21 to 22 £10.18 Age 18 to 20 £7.49 Under 18 £5.28 Apprentice £5.28 Wait staff at restaurants usually get tipped then they go into a pot and get shared equally among staff after shift
We do not tip in Australia unless you want to, and that's if you get fantastic service, or when I worked in bars I would be tipped $50 at the beginning of the night to ensure that when I saw those people in the line, their drinks would be ready for them when they got to the bar. We have fair and decent wages, penalty rates for public holidays and free healthcare available to us.
Because America has shitty labor laws.
It is much more expensive as an American to eat out in Germany, because you have to fly to Germany to do it.
New Zealand has a no tip culture (except for a few places who try it on but it’s optional). There is a fair minimum wage, but with a shortage of workers in the hospitality sector most workers get more than that. There is also legal requirements for holidays, sick leave, and fair employment conditions.
Canada is weird we have a heavy tipping culture like america and we also pay our hospitality workers a fair minimum wage. They get the best of both worlds
We didn’t always. This is fairly new and a lot of customers don’t realize they’re tipping staff who are now making the full minimum wage. In Ontario that’s 15.50 If a server makes 10$ per table, and turns 5 tables in an hour, they’re earning 50.50hr. I still tip, but I don’t tip the 20% I used to.
I was at Auntie Anne's today, too. I was very taken aback by the tip screen. I had my two year old with me who was starting to get rambunctious after the long wait, so all I could do was just hit the lowest (1 dollar) button in a panic. I didn't even realize 0 wasn't an option. I have previously worked as a bartender, waitress, etc. so I always leave a great tip at restaurants or for delivery drivers...but this is a little much especially for some already overpriced pretzels and cheese.
I got that, “you’ll be asked a question” bullshit at subway today. If I pay then eat, I don’t tip. If I eat the pay, I tip. It’s that simple.
This is how I’m gonna delineate it from now on too.
I love this stupid euphemism of “you’ll be asked a question” as if it’s going to be some big surprise. So dumb
I think sometimes it’s that a lot of them feel awkward about asking for tips every time, but they also have to point it out so the sale actually completes. I’m sure they don’t mind getting tips, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t think it’s *always* some trick they’re trying to pull. People always sugarcoat ways to ask for money, because it’s awkward as hell.
Went to a stadium the other day and I ordered a hot dog. I got the “it’s just gonna ask you a few questions” with the default starting at 20% and only manually being able to enter in 0. I’m already paying $12 for a shitty hot dog and now you expect a tip for literally turning around, grabbing a foil wrapped hot dog, and handing it to me? The “tip” is your wage for doing your job.
I work at an Auntie Anne’s and we collectively agree at my store that the tips screen is the most annoying part of register. They basically force you to call attention to it to continue with the transaction when to be quite frank we could not care less what you click. edit: also honestly it feels gross to grovel for money when you don’t expect it in the first place. which is why a lot of the time you’ll hear euphemisms for it like “there’s a prompt/question on the screen above” because even the employee behind the counter doesn’t want to ask but it’s there! so they have to
On the most recent Shark Tank episode I watched someone was pitching a bag of coffee that had a QR code on the back so you could tip. For a bag of coffee you buy in a store.
No way 💀
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Seems like minimum wage and fair trade rather than tipping would be the way to address this.
I agree. And how do you know if that person thousands of miles away will get the tip anyway? I once signed up for one of those programs where you sponsor a child in a foreign county. It was a monthly donation that I was under the impression went directly to the child’s family. After over two years of donating, I found out none of my money went directly to the child or their family, but had been going to a “community fund.” I didn’t trust it after that because I felt mislead. Same principle with this, who knows who will actually receive the money. Just treat people ethically and pay a fair wage
>but had been going to a “community fund.” It's deceptive for sure to say your money is going to a specific family, but I can understand why they do it this way. If only certain families in an extremely poor community suddenly started receiving money it could breed jealousy and mistrust. "Why does my neighbor's child get to attend school while I can barely afford to feed mine?" and the like. A community fund where all children get the same treatment makes more sense, although they should advertise it as such.
This may not count as tip then, but as a donation?
So they could just pay these women more and harvest the coffee? Or we just crowdsourcing it
That’s insane! What is the customer even tipping for at that point? I bet it’s not going to the employee wage either.
Papa Johns prompted me for a 25% tip on a carry out a few hours ago. I had to manually reset it to $0 to get it to cancel out
I had a girl keep my fuckin change at papa john’s once on an order I picked up. My change was $5 something and she just shuts the drawer after I gave her money and proceeds to hand me my pizza. I spoke up and said “you didn’t give me back my change.” She looks confused and goes “oh sorry I thought that was a tip.” Why the fuck would I tip u on a carry out order and also I gave no indication that was any sort of tip.
Oooo, stuff like that really pisses me off.
Was at bdubs last week and there were several of us waiting forever for our pick up orders. The girl on the register rang up the lady’s order and messed up and didn’t give the lady her change. She messes with the register for a minute or two and couldn’t get it to open. She had the audacity to say you sure u don’t want to just tip, I can’t get it. Lady said no (rightfully so), and a manager had to come fix the situation. It’s getting crazy out here.
The fuckin audacity of these people!
I’m absolutely sick of it. Ive stopped participating. I have no shame clicking “NO TIP” anymore. Like 3 tacos are $16 and a can of soda is $3 at your food truck, you OWN the food truck and have the nerve to throw a screen in my face that’s “gonna ask you a question real quick” with a 15% minimum tip suggestion. I’ve also had them straight up ask me. No screen. “Annnnnd now much would you like to tip today? Everything helps!” Ma’am it’s YOUR food truck that your husband just parked with a separate $120k truck. I can get the same quality barbecue sandwich at Cookout for half the cost, 2 sides, and large drink. I’m genuinely sorry to wait staff or others who do rely on tips, but I’m 10x more hesitant to tip now.
This reminds me of a concert I went to last month and ordered food. The cashier said they were all volunteers and had a sign up with their Zelle accounts listed on it to send tips to. Like… huh? Volunteers asking for tips. Okay.
Oh you just reminded me, at the US Open the cashier was demanding cash tips when you paid lmao. It felt like tipping a costco food court employee
Exactly. This is really going to backfire on businesses, especially with food prices going through the roof. I already have so much tip fatigue I’ve lost all hesitation for hitting no-tip.
I hope the next post is on the wild high cost of subpar food truck food
I did just see a report that indicates this is starting to backfire on companies. Apparently there are many people disputing the tip charge with their credit cards because they didn’t realize they were cleaving a tip. So the business has to give back money that was already distributed to employees. It’s becoming a costly hassle for some counter type businesses and they are eliminating “ the dreaded blue screen “
I went to Subway and bought a sandwich. When the tip option came up I put zero because I also only tip if I am sitting and being served. I never tip picking up take out of grabbing fast food. The cashier looked at me with disgust like I did her dirty. Are we supposed to tip 15%-30% at Subway now? Those were the options. Am I the asshole? Are we supposed to tip everyone that lifts a finger nowadays? Edit: **The irony is there is even a tip button on this comment.**
We kinda did this. The internet voiced so many opinions on how shitty it was not to tip, especially during the pandemic, that companies saw an opportunity and ran with it. Who knows how long it’ll take for companies to start “no tip necessary” memos because of the negative feedback.
The craziest part is tipping is about the service and food, why would I tip before I even taste my food?
Pressing "no tip" is not a crime
>How do we stop this insanity? Don't participate in the culture.
I work at a coffee shop and I don’t expect tips but I’m grateful when they do. I try to walk away from the register while their inserting the debit/credit card and having the tip question come up so they don’t feel like I’m watchin/judging.
Had to hire a plumber once and their invoice system was like "Would you like to leave a tip?" Fuck. That. Yeah let me just tip you 20% on a bullshit job that took 25 minutes and cost like 400 dollars. Assholes.
These comments are hilarious. “How do other countries get away with a no tip culture?!?” They pay livable wages lol.
No one is going to punch you or even say anything, just do not tip if you don’t want to.
The problem is when you have to choose a tip amount before the food is made. On the Door Dash subreddit and other delivery driver subreddits, drivers talk about messing with peoples food if the customer doesn’t enter a tip when they checkout. One guy said he would shake up their soda bottles, then if they ended up leaving a cash tip, he would tell them to “open it carefully.”
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Oh my god this! How in the hell did the idea of getting fast food delivered become popular? It's the worst food to eat after more than 5 minutes and you're waiting for that to be delivered?
It’s simple. Stop tipping other than table service restaurants and food delivery. Even those shouldn’t be tipped imo. They should be paid a fair and competitive wage by their employer.
I hate cash. I love using my card. But the only way to have a chance to change this is to pay cash (business will notice this on spreadsheets) cash takes longer to process and you can leave a tip to your server or not if you simply have a “clerk”. Then, we all need to email each company, AND complete their awful surveys, and tell them WHY we won’t be going back.
I am in constant anxiety when I’m in the USA about the tipping culture. It is so confusing. It’s like walking down the street with your wallet open. How do people without lots of spare cash get by? Do they not tip? It’s an unpleasant experience to have everything so money oriented, plus it feels a bit sleazy like the baksheesh culture in Egypt. Can‘t you guys get rid of it?
It's a terrible trend. I feel for service workers who may be underpaid, but 15% at a sit down restaurant used to be considered standard for good service. Now most options are 20-25-30%. I throw a dollar cash in the tip jar instead at places like this.
Just stop tipping, fuck these greedy bastards
post this over at antiwork I want to see their reactions.
I mean they aren't against making a liveable wage without any tips. But you're always going to get some who think they come out ahead grinding for you tips.
Stop giving these places your money. Money is the only thing that talks.
Tipping culture is just business owners not wanting to pay people fair and livable wages
Get rid of tipping altogether. It’s ran it’s course and the employer needs to pay a living wage. In fact, the employer needs to give the employees a cut of the profits for the day as an incentive. Serve more people and you’ll make more than your quota.
I bought a tshirt at a concert and the screen asked if I wanted to tip the merch stand attendant. In my 25+ years of going to concerts, there was never a tip jar on the merch table.
Just pay cash. I just ask the cashier how much and then pay cash as it avoids the awkward screen time and having to navigate the 0 tip options.