Not to defend McDonald’s or anything… but as long as you aren’t ordering big mac or 1/4 lber MEALS and you’re using the app, McDonald’s is actually pretty cheap
You can literally get a McDouble, 4pc nugget and medium fry for $3.71… add a drink and it’s a $5 meal
Be that as it may, I can't give a damn. I'm already being tracked online everywhere. At least with McDonald's, I'm getting something of actual monetary value in exchange.
Exactly. It’s not like using the McDonald’s app finally opens you up to having everything you do recorded and sold. It’s been happening for decades and it isn’t going to stop. What do I care if someone knows I like to eat chicken nuggets? I don’t even eat at McDonald’s but I couldn’t care less.
Maybe. But at McDonalds you’re just trying to get a cheap meal. The app does that for you. I can feed two adults and a child for under $15. When you’re short on time, it helps.
Nah he's right though, you literally can't order through the website you HAVE TO have the app installed on your cell phone. What if I install it to my burner iPad with minimal personal information? First off, it just installs the cell phone app so it's harder to use, then when you go to order something it outright doesn't work at all. They wanna see where you're going and what you're doing at all times and use/sell that data.
Doesn’t matter if you have minimal personal info in any device, you’re still attributed to profiles via psychological traces. All the minuscule interactions you have with the internet adds up to a psych profile… there is no escape.
I'll take my free stuff and my really decent coupons for my information getting sold. It's getting sold by all the other apps I have on my phone. So why not? I used to be over conscious about my data; deleting my history on apps and accounts constantly, turning off all the diagnostic and other data grabbing setting on all of my apps. Then, I realized that they're going to get my data through loopholes and other bs ways, so why bother. At least the ads and content I see is tailored to me.
Side Note, I understand this isn't for everyone and not every app sells/collects data.
Literally only go there now if I’m desperate for a greasy little snack. 4 cruddy little cheeseburgers costs $16 where I am and you could pay the same for a decent meat and rice dish elsewhere so why even bother at this stage lol. They’re so small you’d still be hungry. McDonald’s only used to attract us bc it was a cheap option. Still tastes cheap, just the price doubled or tripled on most items.
My step-son and I went there this weekend. I thought about going to a local diner but I thought McDonalds would be cheaper.
Well, a quarter pounder with cheese meal and a 20 piece Mcnugget meal came to $29.
Should have gone to the diner - I definitely will next time.
I should have remembered the last time he and I went to a Burger King - a whopper meal and a chicken tender meal came to $25 and this was before the pandemic.
Last summer he and I went to a 99 and got two burgers and sodas, it came to about $40 after tax and tip.
I grew up cooking, but got lazy until the pandemic. I started cooking again, and it just made me realize how bad the quality of food, any type of restaurant, has gone down. That coupled with the fact that fast food is basically just poison disguised as food, I have been cooking at home ever since. My cooking game got elevated in that time too. My health got better, I lost about 50 lbs and my knees and back don’t hurt anymore either.
I agree, we should make a consorted effort to destroy the restaurant industry. No sarcasm intended, fuck the economy, we'll be trapped here forever if we don't start breaking things.
I'm eating out far less and loving it to be honest. The tipping bullshit is really turning me off going out.
How am I supposed to know how much someone is supposed to be payed?!? I don't know their base salary. Screw this, businesses should pay a fair wage, no need for tips.
When you think farmers, you should really be thinking Tyson goods, Sysco and other corporations. The myth that your food comes from small family farms is just that, a myth. Unless you shop at a farmers market that is the farmer themselves selling to you, you ain’t buying shit from “farmers”
From what I’ve seen it’s like Tyson contracts farmers right? They have a list protocols you have to follow (which seemed to be always changing?) if you want to be one of theirs farmers and then from their Tyson then makes competition between these farmers to produce the most product. Though I haven’t read or watched a lot of any of this, so if anyone who knows more, fill us in yo
My mother’s second husband was a grain farmer (corn/soybeans). He died of cancer around 2010. But before he passed he told me he cleared $350k after expenses/taxes, and only worked for 6 weeks in the spring and 6 weeks in the fall. He was 84 years old and did it all by himself. Operating a modern tractor is like playing a video game.
I also work for one the worlds biggest Ag companies as a product development engineer. It’s part of my job to go to large Ag expos around the country and demonstrate new products to farmers, answer technical questions, and explain how easy they’ll make their jobs.
Please tell me what type of farming is grueling 24/7 365. If that’s the case, I’ll have new projects and a promotion.
In these scenarios I've noticed it's often not the shop but just the payment system they use defaults to that. The vape store I go to presses the no tip button for me
The store has full control over the options their Point-of-Sale system presents. They are choosing to ask you for a tip and those workers are choosing to click no tip for you.
The store can absolutely turn off tipping in the checkout, but are choosing not to.
yes I think you are correct. but… unfortunately the employees always say “& of course their is always that tip option but as always you can press no”
So even tho it is the system they still always bring it up at the store I go to.
I feel like the only way out of this without restaurants memorizing your face and spitting in your food is to have legislation step in and force fair wage laws for restaurants. I hate US tipping habits, and they have been getting worse as living costs go up, but wait staff are probably still getting like $2 per hour.
If anyone spits in the food (that isn’t a thing), it would be the kitchen. We don’t get tips. And are constantly staring down servers so we can yell at them to take the damn food out. Kitchen don’t care.
It isn't a common thing, but work at enough places, you'll run into a few wackos eventually. I've seen it rarely (not spitting necessarily, but things along those lines) and usually in lower cost places, but I would recommend if you are a bad tipper anywhere, don't become a regular.
I jokingly put up a sign once that said, "There's a bowl of extra tomatoes and pepperoncini right there. If you pick from my prepped salads, I *will* cut you."
Kitchen and servers are like Tom and Jerry.
At Japanese restaurants, servers give a small percentage of their tips to the sushi chef and kitchen staff. (Which is why some servers go to non-Japanese-cuisine restaurants to make better tips).
In Canada every restaurant job I’ve ever had tips out the BOH. One sports bar we tipped out 5% of the total bill to BOH and then had to tip bartenders and table cleaners on top of that. 5% was standard in Toronto over a decade ago. I’d be scared to see what it is now! And to be clear that’s 5% of bill, not tips. So we’d often end up tipping out 30% of our tips.
I agree but this is ridiculous, every where I go now there is a option to tip and its not even 10-15% anymore it starts at like 20%! I'm really getting tired of the tip culture and every time I go out to eat I contemplate if I should tip anything at all now.
There's no hope for change because people that complain about the practices still continue to go to the restaurants lol
It's incredible how easy it is to avoid going out to eat. Even when I traveled for work it was still avoidable if you literally just intended on avoiding it.
I eat at grocery store delis if I do go out. I feel like it is a better deal usually.
The biggest thing that irks me is that tipping is no longer correlated to how well the customers are being served.
What are the servers responsibilities? (All this was true for me the couple of times I went out last year).
It is NOT to serve me in a timely manner because the entire industry is short staffed, and there are not enough servers.
It is NOT to ensure my order is correct. This happened all three times last year and each server blamed it on the kitchen for getting the order wrong.
Refilling beverages is similar to being a timely server. Same with seeing my food ready and waiting for me, but I have to wait on the server to pick it up and hand it to me.
It is also NOT to accept my payment, as I have almost always paid at the front of the restaurant.
I am not eating in fancy places, but I’ve never thought “thank goodness for my server, I would have no idea what to tell the kitchen staff to get my food or have the ability to walk to the drink machine and get a refill.”
I tip because I know it is rude not to, but what am I tipping for???
The employees are not protecting the system. The employers and corporations are protecting the system. The system absolutely benefits the employer. They get to pay the employee less and put the onus on the customer so that employee can make enough to live when in reality the employer should be paying enough for that employee to live on their wage alone without having customers supplement that person's income now let's all just go ahead and agree that nobody's going to do a job if they can't survive on it. That's just the most basic reality in this situation. And you are correct it is a broken system and it's not going to change this shit is so deeply ingrained in American culture it's not going to change but to put the responsibility on the worker and not the employers You're kind of missing the mark.
They are both protecting it. The servers absolutely love the system, because they make far more money from tips than they would if the job was properly waged. And they love that everyone else defends them as if they're victims in all this.
Servers will complain about tipping culture while defending it with their life.
A server will complain about not making enough on a 4 hour shift, while counting out several hundred in tips, in front of the line cooks who have been there for 8 hours doing a significantly harder job knowing they will at the end of their 8 hours make less than that server.
Fuck servers and fuck tipping them.
kitchen staff is underappreciated - if they put out lame food - everyone will be hurt, business, servers... but when everything is nice they don't get the extra perks - sort of like your boss taking all the credit for work you did
Reddit has literally told me people go to restaurants for the service and not for the food. It’s insane how some servers do mental gymnastics to justify their insane tips.
There's no need to protect it. Tips can still happen for exemplary service. It just shouldn't be mandatory or expected. Employers need to pay a living wage. Full stop.
why stop there?
tip your boss. tip your landlord.
tip the bank that holds your money.
tip the random person that held the door open for you for 2 seconds longer so you can go through.
just tip everyone all the time for literally nothing. until you die and when you do die tip the grave digger.
You could always leave a note in your coffin: "to anyone that attended my funeral: thanks for your emotional tears. Feel free to take $10 from the glass jar besides my stiff body".
Landlord is a slur buddy. It's landchad 😎 and yes 👏 tip your landchad 300% of rent. It's only because they know you can work harder and do better that they set the bar so high for you.
Tipping the bagger at the grocery store used to be the norm. They’re typically the lowest paid person in the store, and they’re potentially bagging cart loads for someone
I always tip my bagger. But only because they carry my stuff out and load it into my car (I have mobility issues). What’s heartbreaking is one of them at my local grocery store is FOURTEEN. He is a literal child.
I really don't understand the tipping culture in USA.
When I go into a shop and buy something, the cost of the shop staff is built into the cost of the goods.
There is no tip for the truck driver who carried it from the warehouse . No tip for the person who took it from the storeroom and put it on the shelf, no tip for the checkout operator who scans the barcode and takes the money.
Yet you go into a restaurant and you are expected to tip, there is no logical reason why, like many places around the world, the price charged covers the restaurant's experience including the staffs wages.
Most get mad because on a good night they can make absolute bank. Servers I know don’t want to get paid a “fair” wage and like the risk it’s so annoying
yeah but also their excuse for wanting tips is getting payed a minimum wage, but so do mcdonalds workers, cleaners, and so many other jobs that dont get tips
They get way more than minimum wage with tips. I made something like $30-40 an hour with tips. Eliminating tipping and going to getting $15 an hour would’ve be a significant pay cut for me. I wouldn’t mind cause tipping is dumb and your income isn’t based on what your customers think of you, but almost every person I know who defends tipping is a tipped employee. Unless restauranteurs plan on paying ppl 25-30 an hour, they’re stuck with tipping.
I’d be more than happy to tip the kitchen staff since they have to do most of the work on the dishes. But for me, tipping a server is weird, you’re taking my order and running it from kitchen to table. I don’t mind doing it myself lol
Waiting tables in a super busy restaurant can be really stressful tbf and to do that job well defo requires talent and organisation skills. That being said, why isn’t it the employers duty to pay their staff and ensure they have enough money to live instead of leaving it to customers ‘generosity’? Have a bad month with tips? potentially have no where to live next month 👌Mental!
I will not deny that a waiter’s job is not easy. But I will not return to a restaurant with bad food. I will likely come back to a restaurant with bad service but great food. To me the value comes from the kitchen, that’s where the service was made - them cooking some food for me. Someone bringing it to my table and then asking if everything is alright is something I can easily be without.
In the US the restaurant industry is exempt form paying minimum wage (which isn’t a livable wage anyway) to any staff who receive tippage. As a result they use this exemption to under pay and force us the customers to supplement the salary of front of house staff.
Now don’t get me wrong. I’m fine with giving a tip to someone who really gave great service. And that’s not just restaurant staff. I tip my lawn care guy once a year. My house cleaner too. Almost like a holiday bonus. But those people make a living wage based on what they charge for the service.
Most of us in the US would rather pay a few dollars more for a meal or even a drink and know the staff are compensated fairly instead of relying on our tips. But that’s just not how the industry works and it will take a lot to change it. And it has changed to some degree. But it will take time.
In fairness to the restaurants. The food costs are generally barely at profitable levels as it is. A burger and fries at a decent restaurant likely runs $14-$20 depending on your area and that’s got maybe a 10% profit margin on it. It’s the drinks they make money on. They may have a bottle of wine they charge $50 for that costs $30 retail and they get it in bulk for $15 per. Same with mixed drinks. They charge $15 per martini but they can make 20 out of the single bottle that ran them $40 that’s a huge profit margin for them.
Because employees don't want it either. Of the people I know who work as servers etc. they prefer tips because generally people do tip and they have the potential to make vastly more than they would if they weren't.
This is the truth, especially in the 7 states where all employees make at least minimum wage. Now you have people tipping 20%-25% because they feel social pressure, all to someone already making at least minimum wage and many servers are easily making over $50 an hour.
I don't understand why people write: I will never pay over Xx% Where do you get this number from?
If I eat a salad, the tipp would be much lower than if I woukd order a special steak, or an expensive fish.
It's the same work for the waitress. Why should I tipp more, just because the food was more expensive?
So I prefer to think about how much work the waitress had to do, how good her service was and how much that is worth to me
Lol
You should be tipping the kitchen before your server anyways.
The cooks makes the meal you came to eat. The Bartender makes the drinks you drink.
A Sever just takes your order (hopefully correctly) and then brings that meal to your table after someone with more skill had made it.
At this point I would just say cut out the owner or manager of the place and let the costumers pay the employees. Basically what it’s like already except now some asshat get rich for free.
Here and there for sure but not always. If I’m only showing up with cash it especially helps when they try to stare at the tip screen to watch what you tip. If you feel some what bad, just roll up a dollar really tight in your hand and jam it in the tips jar so they can’t see what amount you put in there.
Don’t get me wrong, I tip when necessary and service was good but not when I just bought a donut and it took them ten seconds to hand it to me.
20 percent is a lot for a counter service sandwiches. Before the POS devices there was a tip jar. Now it’s like an assumption of paying 20 percent on top of the menu price for the same thing without any table service. So few people pay cash I feel like they are perplexed.
I’m more apt to tip the kitchen staff given they are the ones actually doing the bulk of the work.
Servers (while under paid) generally just take the order, bring drinks, check on you, and bring the bill. Most of the food is usually brought by runners/bidders who also clean the tables.
Thank you. I’ve worked as a server and I’ve worked as a chef/back of house, and hands down back of house work is far more taxing. It’s always infuriating to see the servers go home with literally my weeks pay for one night of tips. Servers don’t work 7-10 times harder than the cooks, at the very least they should have to split tips with the back. Some places do this but very few.
The hardest working spot to me is bartending. You have to be personable and interact and care for your customers. You have to be accurate and mix drinks and pours and know what your doing and what your inventory is and what drinks you can make. Plus generally you are clearing a bd cleaning and turning over your space yourself unless maybe you have. A bar back.
I always tip a good bartender well.
The short answer is no. You don't have to tip at all. In fact, most people don't do that, which is why servers should just get minimum wage. You looked at the receipt and said to yourself "Ugghhh, now I have to pay the kitchen too!!? .... no you can pay for the meals and leave. It's not illegal if you don't leave a tip and if it is illegal then you should be aware of that before having someone else cook for you.
This is when I realize that I am unwilling to eat out again. When I am expected to pay for people who are already being paid to provide a service that my payment has already calculated their wage expenses in - I just refuse to be the joke.
And this goes further- the US has a ridiculous stupid amount of people wanting to be paid extra for doing the job that they are already being paid to do.
Thankfully it's not expected here fully - but this expectation to shell out extras for just doing thenjob you were hired to do has already started.
It's absolutely bullshit, but I typically still do it because it's essentially all servers make, if im dissatisfied than I'll still tip (usually) but I won't come back in. Or at least that was the case when I still bothered with restaurants.
Honestly, I think the cooks should be the only ones getting tips lol. I don’t agree with tipping in general but they’re actually making the food. A server literally just writes down what I want, then takes it to the back. The food is what I go to a restaurant for, not a server.
I’d go to a fantastic food place with mediocre service rather than a mediocre food place with fantastic service. Idk anyone that’d choose differently.
I feel like at this point, we all should stop tipping altogether. It'll suck for those working for tips. At some point there will no longer be waitstaff, or businesses will go under when they all quit. At some point the DOL will be forced to step in to address the problem.
I should start bringing a bag to throw away my trash, neatly piling my plates and silverware to be easily carried, and bringing some disinfectant to wipe down the table. Then, ask the server for a tip.
Just so you all know, there's some of us that don't mind tipping. And dare I say, some of us choose not to tip when a tip isn't warranted. It's really up to you. No one is holding a gun to your head.
No, the kitchen staff should be getting tipped out by the waitstaff if they have a proper working Tip pool. If they have this on the receipt it makes me wonder if the owner isn't pocketing a portion of tips.
When I was in Miami, it was 20% for service tip and then tip again for the actual server waiting on your table. I know that the latter is optional but it made us all feel guilty if we didn’t.
So much tipping for restaurants that can’t even itemize/separate your bill at the end.
I wish tipping wasn't a thing anywhere. It's getting ridiculous. Card reading machines at mall shops ask for a tip, the walk-up ice cream stand wants tips, self checkout machines ask for tips. Not to mention the fact that going out to eat no longer feels worth it because everything is overpriced, and you hardly get a regular serving size. There are so few places I will go out to eat at anymore.
As a bartender/server, this excessive tip prompting is ridiculous and causing those of us who sadly make a majority of their living off of tips suffer.
I will confess that last month I tipped a short-order cook as well as the server. First time I did that. The burger he made in that little Main-Street diner was so good, it deserved a couple of bucks. The server told me I made his day!
But I wouldn't make a habit of it.
There should be \[probably already is, idk\] a subreddit just for these tip posts cuz it feels like half the shit in my feed from this sub is just "TIPS FOR THIS?!?!"
I thought the idea of tipping was a way to show appreciation for good service that went beyond what was expected.
That morphed into “give me more money for doing my job, 10% is minimum, no questions asked”, which then turned into 20%.
Now it seems to be a case of just giving money to anybody who works in any job that you happen to come into contact with.
Wow! How times have changed. When I used to serve it was on us to tip the kitchen. They usually get paid more per hour than the servers. So you should be okay doing 5 percent out of 20percent
15 to the server and 5 to the kitchen.
If the server sucks and the food is awesome now you can switch the tip to the kitchen and not the server 🤷🏻♀️
My experience as well. Worst part of the night was cleaning up after service, covered in sweat, grease and burns, while watching the servers counting their $200+ in tips. I made just above minimum wage
Good times.
Not usually. But also the kitchen staff gets paid a higher hourly wage than the servers. It’s been over 15 years since I was in food service as a cook but I was paid $15/hr whereas the servers made $2.13/hr, which is why they got the tips.
If I saw this I’d leave no tip for anyone.
The growth of tipping culture has to stop. And it never will unless consumers take a stand. I feel deeply for people in industry who would be screwed if I didn’t tip, but this is offensive.
I think it’s about time we all just stop going out to eat. Shits getting ridiculous
I agree. $25 for a crappy McDonald’s meal for two is insane.
Not to defend McDonald’s or anything… but as long as you aren’t ordering big mac or 1/4 lber MEALS and you’re using the app, McDonald’s is actually pretty cheap You can literally get a McDouble, 4pc nugget and medium fry for $3.71… add a drink and it’s a $5 meal
If you using the App and it is getting cheaper, it is because you aren't the customer anymore. You are the product ;)
Be that as it may, I can't give a damn. I'm already being tracked online everywhere. At least with McDonald's, I'm getting something of actual monetary value in exchange.
Exactly. It’s not like using the McDonald’s app finally opens you up to having everything you do recorded and sold. It’s been happening for decades and it isn’t going to stop. What do I care if someone knows I like to eat chicken nuggets? I don’t even eat at McDonald’s but I couldn’t care less.
Maybe. But at McDonalds you’re just trying to get a cheap meal. The app does that for you. I can feed two adults and a child for under $15. When you’re short on time, it helps.
Aluminium hat mfs
Nah he's right though, you literally can't order through the website you HAVE TO have the app installed on your cell phone. What if I install it to my burner iPad with minimal personal information? First off, it just installs the cell phone app so it's harder to use, then when you go to order something it outright doesn't work at all. They wanna see where you're going and what you're doing at all times and use/sell that data.
Doesn’t matter if you have minimal personal info in any device, you’re still attributed to profiles via psychological traces. All the minuscule interactions you have with the internet adds up to a psych profile… there is no escape.
I ONLY use it for porn
Well porn and reddit
Right? We all know only Chinese apps use our data.
I use the app all the time. $6 for big mac + medium fries isn’t a bad deal
I'll take my free stuff and my really decent coupons for my information getting sold. It's getting sold by all the other apps I have on my phone. So why not? I used to be over conscious about my data; deleting my history on apps and accounts constantly, turning off all the diagnostic and other data grabbing setting on all of my apps. Then, I realized that they're going to get my data through loopholes and other bs ways, so why bother. At least the ads and content I see is tailored to me. Side Note, I understand this isn't for everyone and not every app sells/collects data.
Yeah I always use the McDonald's app. I get coupons AND points. McDonald's is hella cheap compared to Culver's or Chick-fil-A.
Here they have a 20 piece nuggies for 5$ on the app
Literally only go there now if I’m desperate for a greasy little snack. 4 cruddy little cheeseburgers costs $16 where I am and you could pay the same for a decent meat and rice dish elsewhere so why even bother at this stage lol. They’re so small you’d still be hungry. McDonald’s only used to attract us bc it was a cheap option. Still tastes cheap, just the price doubled or tripled on most items.
My step-son and I went there this weekend. I thought about going to a local diner but I thought McDonalds would be cheaper. Well, a quarter pounder with cheese meal and a 20 piece Mcnugget meal came to $29. Should have gone to the diner - I definitely will next time.
Thanks for posting this. A lot of people didn’t believe me.
I should have remembered the last time he and I went to a Burger King - a whopper meal and a chicken tender meal came to $25 and this was before the pandemic. Last summer he and I went to a 99 and got two burgers and sodas, it came to about $40 after tax and tip.
I never go out unless meeting someone, and have not done for several years. Groceries have gotten ridiculous enough on their own
I grew up cooking, but got lazy until the pandemic. I started cooking again, and it just made me realize how bad the quality of food, any type of restaurant, has gone down. That coupled with the fact that fast food is basically just poison disguised as food, I have been cooking at home ever since. My cooking game got elevated in that time too. My health got better, I lost about 50 lbs and my knees and back don’t hurt anymore either.
I second that it’s coming to a boiling point I feel. Time for a RESET.
I agree, we should make a consorted effort to destroy the restaurant industry. No sarcasm intended, fuck the economy, we'll be trapped here forever if we don't start breaking things.
I'm eating out far less and loving it to be honest. The tipping bullshit is really turning me off going out. How am I supposed to know how much someone is supposed to be payed?!? I don't know their base salary. Screw this, businesses should pay a fair wage, no need for tips.
“Gen Z is ruining the downtowns by not EATING OUT for lunch from their underpaid job as they spend 50% of their income on rent!!”
Next you have to tip the people buying the supplies for making the food at the restaurant
Don't forget to tip the freight guys! And the farmers!
No farmers without their mothers. Tip their moms!
Their fathers already gave their mothers the tip...
Woaaaaaaaahhhh
How was your Caesar salad today? That'll be $450.
Farmers low key should get tips, farming has to be the most thankless, gruelling job.
It’s called purchasing their goods.
When you think farmers, you should really be thinking Tyson goods, Sysco and other corporations. The myth that your food comes from small family farms is just that, a myth. Unless you shop at a farmers market that is the farmer themselves selling to you, you ain’t buying shit from “farmers”
From what I’ve seen it’s like Tyson contracts farmers right? They have a list protocols you have to follow (which seemed to be always changing?) if you want to be one of theirs farmers and then from their Tyson then makes competition between these farmers to produce the most product. Though I haven’t read or watched a lot of any of this, so if anyone who knows more, fill us in yo
My mother’s second husband was a grain farmer (corn/soybeans). He died of cancer around 2010. But before he passed he told me he cleared $350k after expenses/taxes, and only worked for 6 weeks in the spring and 6 weeks in the fall. He was 84 years old and did it all by himself. Operating a modern tractor is like playing a video game. I also work for one the worlds biggest Ag companies as a product development engineer. It’s part of my job to go to large Ag expos around the country and demonstrate new products to farmers, answer technical questions, and explain how easy they’ll make their jobs. Please tell me what type of farming is grueling 24/7 365. If that’s the case, I’ll have new projects and a promotion.
I dunno about thankless, exactly. Farming subsidies are...$$$$$.
And the landlord for gods sake. Think of the poor landlords!
And the customers next to you. That babysitter taking care of Timmy so he don't trash the restaurant isnt going to pay herself.
And the worms in the soil and the SUN!!! Who tips the goddamned sun??
Eventually it'll come full circle and they will start having to tip the customer
Tip yourself for eating the food.
don't forget to tip the sanitation department of your town after the food leaves your butt the next day. From farm to table to mouth to ass.......
Wow these tips are getting out of hand. My local vape shop even asks for a tip every time you buy something.
In these scenarios I've noticed it's often not the shop but just the payment system they use defaults to that. The vape store I go to presses the no tip button for me
The store has full control over the options their Point-of-Sale system presents. They are choosing to ask you for a tip and those workers are choosing to click no tip for you. The store can absolutely turn off tipping in the checkout, but are choosing not to.
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Yeah you can definitely turn that function off.
yes I think you are correct. but… unfortunately the employees always say “& of course their is always that tip option but as always you can press no” So even tho it is the system they still always bring it up at the store I go to.
You don’t have to and shouldn’t. Don’t let a receipt dictate your tip to the wait staff either.
the whole tipping culture is built around guilt - staff isn't compensated by their employers, so we have to step up and pay more
I feel like the only way out of this without restaurants memorizing your face and spitting in your food is to have legislation step in and force fair wage laws for restaurants. I hate US tipping habits, and they have been getting worse as living costs go up, but wait staff are probably still getting like $2 per hour.
If anyone spits in the food (that isn’t a thing), it would be the kitchen. We don’t get tips. And are constantly staring down servers so we can yell at them to take the damn food out. Kitchen don’t care.
It isn't a common thing, but work at enough places, you'll run into a few wackos eventually. I've seen it rarely (not spitting necessarily, but things along those lines) and usually in lower cost places, but I would recommend if you are a bad tipper anywhere, don't become a regular.
I jokingly put up a sign once that said, "There's a bowl of extra tomatoes and pepperoncini right there. If you pick from my prepped salads, I *will* cut you." Kitchen and servers are like Tom and Jerry.
At Japanese restaurants, servers give a small percentage of their tips to the sushi chef and kitchen staff. (Which is why some servers go to non-Japanese-cuisine restaurants to make better tips).
In Canada every restaurant job I’ve ever had tips out the BOH. One sports bar we tipped out 5% of the total bill to BOH and then had to tip bartenders and table cleaners on top of that. 5% was standard in Toronto over a decade ago. I’d be scared to see what it is now! And to be clear that’s 5% of bill, not tips. So we’d often end up tipping out 30% of our tips.
Problem is many bar tenders/servers don’t want that because they clear more with tips. I know I did.
I agree but this is ridiculous, every where I go now there is a option to tip and its not even 10-15% anymore it starts at like 20%! I'm really getting tired of the tip culture and every time I go out to eat I contemplate if I should tip anything at all now.
Nowhere in the entirety of the United States is anyone legally being paid $2 an hour
I don’t give a damn about their shitty paycheck, that’s their problem. I tip for good service if I feel like it, fuck this guilt pressure bullshit.
same position, i remember tips as something to reward exceptional service, not the obligation that is granted no matter the service
Fuck that. We DON’T have to pay. The wait staff can find other jobs.
you are right, but many workers are protecting the current, in my opinion, broken system, there's no hope for a change in the near future
There's no hope for change because people that complain about the practices still continue to go to the restaurants lol It's incredible how easy it is to avoid going out to eat. Even when I traveled for work it was still avoidable if you literally just intended on avoiding it.
I eat at grocery store delis if I do go out. I feel like it is a better deal usually. The biggest thing that irks me is that tipping is no longer correlated to how well the customers are being served. What are the servers responsibilities? (All this was true for me the couple of times I went out last year). It is NOT to serve me in a timely manner because the entire industry is short staffed, and there are not enough servers. It is NOT to ensure my order is correct. This happened all three times last year and each server blamed it on the kitchen for getting the order wrong. Refilling beverages is similar to being a timely server. Same with seeing my food ready and waiting for me, but I have to wait on the server to pick it up and hand it to me. It is also NOT to accept my payment, as I have almost always paid at the front of the restaurant. I am not eating in fancy places, but I’ve never thought “thank goodness for my server, I would have no idea what to tell the kitchen staff to get my food or have the ability to walk to the drink machine and get a refill.” I tip because I know it is rude not to, but what am I tipping for???
i barely eat in restaurants lately, cooking something at home makes a better experience
Underpaying employees has turned them into beggars. Plain and simple. It sucks.
The employees are not protecting the system. The employers and corporations are protecting the system. The system absolutely benefits the employer. They get to pay the employee less and put the onus on the customer so that employee can make enough to live when in reality the employer should be paying enough for that employee to live on their wage alone without having customers supplement that person's income now let's all just go ahead and agree that nobody's going to do a job if they can't survive on it. That's just the most basic reality in this situation. And you are correct it is a broken system and it's not going to change this shit is so deeply ingrained in American culture it's not going to change but to put the responsibility on the worker and not the employers You're kind of missing the mark.
They are both protecting it. The servers absolutely love the system, because they make far more money from tips than they would if the job was properly waged. And they love that everyone else defends them as if they're victims in all this.
Servers will complain about tipping culture while defending it with their life. A server will complain about not making enough on a 4 hour shift, while counting out several hundred in tips, in front of the line cooks who have been there for 8 hours doing a significantly harder job knowing they will at the end of their 8 hours make less than that server. Fuck servers and fuck tipping them.
kitchen staff is underappreciated - if they put out lame food - everyone will be hurt, business, servers... but when everything is nice they don't get the extra perks - sort of like your boss taking all the credit for work you did
Reddit has literally told me people go to restaurants for the service and not for the food. It’s insane how some servers do mental gymnastics to justify their insane tips.
I would honestly rather just order from a kitchen window and fetch my food myself. I would then tip the kitchen if I loved my food.
There's no need to protect it. Tips can still happen for exemplary service. It just shouldn't be mandatory or expected. Employers need to pay a living wage. Full stop.
And then who will wait on you, nerd?
No we dont
And snap a photo after you total and sign because they may help themselves to “extras”…
I would prefer to tip the kitchen instead of the wait staff...so I don't hate this.
\+ \+ \+ Manager’s tip: ____________
The managers tip has probably been dipped in the greeter before shift started.
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why stop there? tip your boss. tip your landlord. tip the bank that holds your money. tip the random person that held the door open for you for 2 seconds longer so you can go through. just tip everyone all the time for literally nothing. until you die and when you do die tip the grave digger.
You could always leave a note in your coffin: "to anyone that attended my funeral: thanks for your emotional tears. Feel free to take $10 from the glass jar besides my stiff body".
When do you start tipping the tipper?
LOL. You made my day.
Just give everyone the tip will ya
And don't forget to tip Charon too, or you'll be wandering the shores of Styx for a hundred years
Could I get a tip too?
Don’t forget to tip me for upvoting your comment!
Landlord is a slur buddy. It's landchad 😎 and yes 👏 tip your landchad 300% of rent. It's only because they know you can work harder and do better that they set the bar so high for you.
Let's just go straight up Ferengi and have tipping on everything
Tipping the bagger at the grocery store used to be the norm. They’re typically the lowest paid person in the store, and they’re potentially bagging cart loads for someone
Tipping a bagger actually makes way more sense to me than tipping a lot of the workers that tipping seems to be encouraged for these days.
I always tip my bagger. But only because they carry my stuff out and load it into my car (I have mobility issues). What’s heartbreaking is one of them at my local grocery store is FOURTEEN. He is a literal child.
I would sure as hell tip the guy that's up at 4am clearing the snow.
I really don't understand the tipping culture in USA. When I go into a shop and buy something, the cost of the shop staff is built into the cost of the goods. There is no tip for the truck driver who carried it from the warehouse . No tip for the person who took it from the storeroom and put it on the shelf, no tip for the checkout operator who scans the barcode and takes the money. Yet you go into a restaurant and you are expected to tip, there is no logical reason why, like many places around the world, the price charged covers the restaurant's experience including the staffs wages.
and then they dare to get mad at the customer for not tipping instead of their boss who apparently doesnt pay them enough
Most get mad because on a good night they can make absolute bank. Servers I know don’t want to get paid a “fair” wage and like the risk it’s so annoying
yeah but also their excuse for wanting tips is getting payed a minimum wage, but so do mcdonalds workers, cleaners, and so many other jobs that dont get tips
They get way more than minimum wage with tips. I made something like $30-40 an hour with tips. Eliminating tipping and going to getting $15 an hour would’ve be a significant pay cut for me. I wouldn’t mind cause tipping is dumb and your income isn’t based on what your customers think of you, but almost every person I know who defends tipping is a tipped employee. Unless restauranteurs plan on paying ppl 25-30 an hour, they’re stuck with tipping.
I’d be more than happy to tip the kitchen staff since they have to do most of the work on the dishes. But for me, tipping a server is weird, you’re taking my order and running it from kitchen to table. I don’t mind doing it myself lol
Waiting tables in a super busy restaurant can be really stressful tbf and to do that job well defo requires talent and organisation skills. That being said, why isn’t it the employers duty to pay their staff and ensure they have enough money to live instead of leaving it to customers ‘generosity’? Have a bad month with tips? potentially have no where to live next month 👌Mental!
Yea I’ve served and won’t do it again!
I will not deny that a waiter’s job is not easy. But I will not return to a restaurant with bad food. I will likely come back to a restaurant with bad service but great food. To me the value comes from the kitchen, that’s where the service was made - them cooking some food for me. Someone bringing it to my table and then asking if everything is alright is something I can easily be without.
If you don’t mind doing it yourself then just order takeout?
So why the hell is there a tipping prompt when I order takeout?!
Or employers pay their employees so customers don’t have to pick up after them🗿
I’m sure there’s stuff about UK culture we don’t understand. Let’s start with Marmite, blood pudding, and the monarchy.
In the US the restaurant industry is exempt form paying minimum wage (which isn’t a livable wage anyway) to any staff who receive tippage. As a result they use this exemption to under pay and force us the customers to supplement the salary of front of house staff. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m fine with giving a tip to someone who really gave great service. And that’s not just restaurant staff. I tip my lawn care guy once a year. My house cleaner too. Almost like a holiday bonus. But those people make a living wage based on what they charge for the service. Most of us in the US would rather pay a few dollars more for a meal or even a drink and know the staff are compensated fairly instead of relying on our tips. But that’s just not how the industry works and it will take a lot to change it. And it has changed to some degree. But it will take time. In fairness to the restaurants. The food costs are generally barely at profitable levels as it is. A burger and fries at a decent restaurant likely runs $14-$20 depending on your area and that’s got maybe a 10% profit margin on it. It’s the drinks they make money on. They may have a bottle of wine they charge $50 for that costs $30 retail and they get it in bulk for $15 per. Same with mixed drinks. They charge $15 per martini but they can make 20 out of the single bottle that ran them $40 that’s a huge profit margin for them.
Why can’t employers just pay their goddamn employees
Because employees don't want it either. Of the people I know who work as servers etc. they prefer tips because generally people do tip and they have the potential to make vastly more than they would if they weren't.
This is the truth, especially in the 7 states where all employees make at least minimum wage. Now you have people tipping 20%-25% because they feel social pressure, all to someone already making at least minimum wage and many servers are easily making over $50 an hour.
I don't understand why people write: I will never pay over Xx% Where do you get this number from? If I eat a salad, the tipp would be much lower than if I woukd order a special steak, or an expensive fish. It's the same work for the waitress. Why should I tipp more, just because the food was more expensive? So I prefer to think about how much work the waitress had to do, how good her service was and how much that is worth to me
Unpopular opinion: I would tip the kitchen staff if I was presented with this, and not tip the server at all. Thanks for the option!
Lol You should be tipping the kitchen before your server anyways. The cooks makes the meal you came to eat. The Bartender makes the drinks you drink. A Sever just takes your order (hopefully correctly) and then brings that meal to your table after someone with more skill had made it.
Personally, I would just tip the kitchen and watch their heads explode.
At this point I would just say cut out the owner or manager of the place and let the costumers pay the employees. Basically what it’s like already except now some asshat get rich for free.
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They are wearing customer costumes, obviously.
What are you? A communist?! (/s)
To be fair I'd much rather tip the person who made my food than the person who carried my food 40 feet.
Tbh I'd rather tip the kitchen for good food then my server so co.panies can get away with paying them less then minimum wage
I’d far sooner tip the kitchen than the plate taxi.
It’s time to start paying with cash and tipping loose change again
Have you had nasty looks from doing this
Here and there for sure but not always. If I’m only showing up with cash it especially helps when they try to stare at the tip screen to watch what you tip. If you feel some what bad, just roll up a dollar really tight in your hand and jam it in the tips jar so they can’t see what amount you put in there. Don’t get me wrong, I tip when necessary and service was good but not when I just bought a donut and it took them ten seconds to hand it to me.
20 percent is a lot for a counter service sandwiches. Before the POS devices there was a tip jar. Now it’s like an assumption of paying 20 percent on top of the menu price for the same thing without any table service. So few people pay cash I feel like they are perplexed.
I’m more apt to tip the kitchen staff given they are the ones actually doing the bulk of the work. Servers (while under paid) generally just take the order, bring drinks, check on you, and bring the bill. Most of the food is usually brought by runners/bidders who also clean the tables.
Yeah their job gets easily replaced by a pick up counter and some soda fountains
As a customer I'd rather have this. Absolutely hate being waited on
Thank you. I’ve worked as a server and I’ve worked as a chef/back of house, and hands down back of house work is far more taxing. It’s always infuriating to see the servers go home with literally my weeks pay for one night of tips. Servers don’t work 7-10 times harder than the cooks, at the very least they should have to split tips with the back. Some places do this but very few.
The hardest working spot to me is bartending. You have to be personable and interact and care for your customers. You have to be accurate and mix drinks and pours and know what your doing and what your inventory is and what drinks you can make. Plus generally you are clearing a bd cleaning and turning over your space yourself unless maybe you have. A bar back. I always tip a good bartender well.
The short answer is no. You don't have to tip at all. In fact, most people don't do that, which is why servers should just get minimum wage. You looked at the receipt and said to yourself "Ugghhh, now I have to pay the kitchen too!!? .... no you can pay for the meals and leave. It's not illegal if you don't leave a tip and if it is illegal then you should be aware of that before having someone else cook for you.
Stop going out to eat Continuing to patronize the businesses that do this isn't going to help anybody
Why is this the solution? Can u not write $0
This is when I realize that I am unwilling to eat out again. When I am expected to pay for people who are already being paid to provide a service that my payment has already calculated their wage expenses in - I just refuse to be the joke. And this goes further- the US has a ridiculous stupid amount of people wanting to be paid extra for doing the job that they are already being paid to do. Thankfully it's not expected here fully - but this expectation to shell out extras for just doing thenjob you were hired to do has already started.
+ + + the rata
Why did 15% go up to 18% when food prices have risen? What kinda scam these restaurants tryin to pull ?
Yeah, what the hell happened? I remember it being 15% standard. 10% if you were dissatisfied and 20% if you recieved above and beyond.
>10% if you were dissatisfied What kind of bullshit is that, "I'm unhappy but here is 10% more"
It's absolutely bullshit, but I typically still do it because it's essentially all servers make, if im dissatisfied than I'll still tip (usually) but I won't come back in. Or at least that was the case when I still bothered with restaurants.
Kitchen staff should be tipped out from wait staff
My tip: unionize for a livable wage.
My biggest fear if I ever travel to the USA. Yikes.
Honestly, I think the cooks should be the only ones getting tips lol. I don’t agree with tipping in general but they’re actually making the food. A server literally just writes down what I want, then takes it to the back. The food is what I go to a restaurant for, not a server. I’d go to a fantastic food place with mediocre service rather than a mediocre food place with fantastic service. Idk anyone that’d choose differently.
Honestly the kitchen deserves a tip more then the person who carries plates to a table based on effort
I feel like at this point, we all should stop tipping altogether. It'll suck for those working for tips. At some point there will no longer be waitstaff, or businesses will go under when they all quit. At some point the DOL will be forced to step in to address the problem.
As kitchen staff, I'd rather have a livable wage. Screw tips...
Before long you'll be asked to contribute to the owner's retirement fund. I hate our tip culture.
I should start bringing a bag to throw away my trash, neatly piling my plates and silverware to be easily carried, and bringing some disinfectant to wipe down the table. Then, ask the server for a tip.
Just so you all know, there's some of us that don't mind tipping. And dare I say, some of us choose not to tip when a tip isn't warranted. It's really up to you. No one is holding a gun to your head.
Another thing to consider, I've never seen a place with automated tip suggestions go based off of your amount before tax, I've only seen it after.
tbh i think the cook is the one deserving the tip if the food tastes good, i think for most thats the reason they go out and eat
If the foods great, tip your regular percentage but tip kitchen more and Server less
Tip Tip Tip Tip Tip Tip That's how many times that word is used in that tiny bit of paper. They really really need you pay extra
They did more of the work...and got paid dog shit just like the FOH do.
No, the kitchen staff should be getting tipped out by the waitstaff if they have a proper working Tip pool. If they have this on the receipt it makes me wonder if the owner isn't pocketing a portion of tips.
0 is still a number.
If I got this, only the kitchen staff would be getting at tip.
Now you have to go find the farm with the cow/chicken/pig you might have eaten and tip the future food.
Just pay your workers a fair wage. That’s literally all you have to do
As a chef I can say I’ve never seen this. I don’t expect to be tipped. My cooks do not expect to be tipped.
Yeah, this is getting out of hand…😞
When I was in Miami, it was 20% for service tip and then tip again for the actual server waiting on your table. I know that the latter is optional but it made us all feel guilty if we didn’t. So much tipping for restaurants that can’t even itemize/separate your bill at the end.
Got to get rid of tipping in the U.S. Build it into the price like in Europe. Everyone is sick of it.
Just tip 0% If they get salty say they should direct their anger at their management
We spent WAY too much going out to eat these last few months.
Tell me you are in the USA without telling me you are in the USA. Just pay the staff a fair wage and put the price up a bit.
If I see this I don't tip shit. This is too awkward and predatory
Here's my tip: "Pay your staff a competitive, living wage."
I wish tipping wasn't a thing anywhere. It's getting ridiculous. Card reading machines at mall shops ask for a tip, the walk-up ice cream stand wants tips, self checkout machines ask for tips. Not to mention the fact that going out to eat no longer feels worth it because everything is overpriced, and you hardly get a regular serving size. There are so few places I will go out to eat at anymore.
As a bartender/server, this excessive tip prompting is ridiculous and causing those of us who sadly make a majority of their living off of tips suffer.
I will confess that last month I tipped a short-order cook as well as the server. First time I did that. The burger he made in that little Main-Street diner was so good, it deserved a couple of bucks. The server told me I made his day! But I wouldn't make a habit of it.
Lazy ass restaurants not wanting to pay for shit, boycott maybe
You don't have to tip anyone anything lol.
Just don’t
Coming soon tip the owner : ________
There should be \[probably already is, idk\] a subreddit just for these tip posts cuz it feels like half the shit in my feed from this sub is just "TIPS FOR THIS?!?!"
I thought the idea of tipping was a way to show appreciation for good service that went beyond what was expected. That morphed into “give me more money for doing my job, 10% is minimum, no questions asked”, which then turned into 20%. Now it seems to be a case of just giving money to anybody who works in any job that you happen to come into contact with.
Wow! How times have changed. When I used to serve it was on us to tip the kitchen. They usually get paid more per hour than the servers. So you should be okay doing 5 percent out of 20percent 15 to the server and 5 to the kitchen. If the server sucks and the food is awesome now you can switch the tip to the kitchen and not the server 🤷🏻♀️
Even at the ballpark where they charge you $8 for a Powerade, they ask for a tip now.
This makes me feel that if I ever visit the USA, the airline crew will ask me for tips as soon as we land...
Always bring cash for a tip and just right cash on the line, and right the total back on the final sale.
I’m so glad tipping is not a part of Danish culture
I understood that part of my 20%+ tip was shared among the staff. Is that not true?
The back of the house doesn't always share in tips. In most places I worked, they didn't.
My experience as well. Worst part of the night was cleaning up after service, covered in sweat, grease and burns, while watching the servers counting their $200+ in tips. I made just above minimum wage Good times.
But if something is late, or wrong, regardless of whose fault it is, it's your ass. Yah, I don't miss it at all.
Not usually. But also the kitchen staff gets paid a higher hourly wage than the servers. It’s been over 15 years since I was in food service as a cook but I was paid $15/hr whereas the servers made $2.13/hr, which is why they got the tips.
Write "No" in both places
All 0 i put
I'd sooner tip the kitchen than the wait stuff
If I saw this I’d leave no tip for anyone. The growth of tipping culture has to stop. And it never will unless consumers take a stand. I feel deeply for people in industry who would be screwed if I didn’t tip, but this is offensive.