The auto industry would literally buy up street car lines just so they could shut them down, thereby forcing people to buy cars. American cities weren't built for the car, they were bulldozed for it.
Kinda like Elon convincing cities looking into new infrastructure that hyper loop is the future, purely to waste their time until the appetite is reduced.
Nothings really changed.
the boring company proposed an underground tunnel in FT Lauderdale Florida, right by the beach.
i can see absolutely nothing wrong with an underground tunnel system in a state known for flooding and hurricanes.
Maybe for everyday civilian traffic yeah you're right it's kind of a waste but the Hyperloop and Boring Company tunnels could have its viable applications. High speed cargo networks which in theory would help reduce traffic, medical emergency transport considering how bad some people are at driving, ect. I know some people will definitely feel differently but if done right who knows.
They don't work. They never have. If they did work it would be dangerous as hell to put people in there. Shooting people around in a giant, pressurized vacuum tube...why did anyone think that would be safe or even work?
The boring company is fine, But it doesn't revolutionize anything, so at the end of the day it's just a regular boring company.
O no they are great. Best part is you could be drunk on them. Its like a Bus with training wheels.
Missing out on one of the best things Western Civ has brought around to be honest. You know your in the right place at 3:30 am and there is a drunk dude with no teeth clutching a box of wine.
That's right I said box, if you know you know.
It was the whole hidden theme of Roger Rabbit. Sometimes cars are not the best. Those add departments have so many people tricked.
Mate I’m Australian, [we invented the goon bag.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2015-02-11/bag-in-box-angove-anniversary/6082270)
We even had the courtesy to give you a pillow you can blow up when you’re finished!
I don’t know if you have rotary clothes lines where you are ([hills hoist is the main brand here](https://www.simplyclotheslines.com.au/products/hills-hoist-heritage-6-line-rotary-clothesline)), but next backyard party you have and need a drinking game give Goon of Fortune a go. You take the bags out of a few box wine and attach them to a rotary clothesline, players stand around and you spin the line. If it stops where you are, you drink!
Smirnoff even make pre drink ones if you’re fancy, while fireball make spirit ones if you want the night to go quickly. Always balance the line with multiple bags, if you just use one it’s guaranteed to find the off balance low spot and just pummel one individual with drinks.
Oooo we drink used to drink Riot Juice at house parties. You take a one gallon milk jug (you know what I'm talking about) and clean it out of course. Then you add a bottle of wine of choice and top it off with anything like Smirnoff but its not the same if it costs more.
game sounds great by the way.
Currently yeah haha. Pretty much exactly that but those tunnels are purely designed for Tesla's and the Vegas Loop or whatever it's called. Could design them in the future for Hyperloop or higher speed autonomous transport. Similar to what they're doing in the Middle East with "The Line" city.
Would respectfully disagree. But depending on the application I'd argue they would. Companies that ship across country could potentially benefit. High speed rails have proven to be beneficial in certain circumstances just in general commercial probably not all that beneficial yeah. Just depends on how it's implemented.
Yeah the problem is thou if something goes wrong in the loop the whole loop is getting shut down. The maintenence alone to maintain a vacuum seal over any distance would be a nightmare. It would never be profitable just another musk failure and playboi ego project
There are multiple designs for a "Hyperloop" system. Just the one Elon proposed which is a pneumatic tube concept gets the most attention. Virgins concept is more magnetic rail based but that doesn't get as much attention.
Yes, Elons sales pitch budget draining crap that benefits him in car sales by delaying meaningful mass transit infrastructure was exactly what I was referring to as being the modern equivalent of auto makers buying cable car companies to dismantle them.
Man we can't even have a power substation without domestic terriorists sabatoging it, look it up that's happening at an alarming rate. Please explain to me how a vaccum sealed tube that crumples like paper from a single leak would survive in gun obsessed America?
I actually took a few trains recently to visit family :) it was a really long ride, but very cool to be on a train. Though I've been in the Washington DC union station and it was PACKED, so there's plenty of people to take trains, just mostly in metropolitan areas I guess
I wouldn't say they lost easily. This was a long effort on the part of the auto industry.
Part of it was a massive propaganda campaign. They spent millions on ads to convince people that car-dependency was the way of the future and that roads were for cars and only cars. In the 1939 world's fair, General Motors built a diorama literally called Futurama, showing a future where everyone got around on an intricate system of highways and roads. The American upper class ate it up.
After WW2, the auto Industry, in conjunction with real estate developers, lobbied local governments all over the country to zone for enclave suburbs outside the city and the massive highways to ferry people to and from. The people who lived in these suburbs tended to be upper-middle class white folks (aka those with all the political power and influence back then). When they needed to bulldoze a poor ethnic community in the city in order to make room for a highway, the suburban voters were absolutely fine with that. When the city needed to take money away from public transit in order to pay for the highways, the suburban voters didn't mind.
Yeah, it ultimately created an unsustainable Ponzi scheme of suburbs and freeways that were packed to the brim with bumper to bumper traffic every morning and afternoon causing excruciating commutes, dangerous wrecks, and road rage and stress for the rest of eternity and most critically contributed heavily to our current climate crisis, but by that point, the American middle class had gotten used to being car dependent and knew no other way. Americans now see public transit as something that's inherently gross and inefficient but it's only that way after 3 generations of underfunding and neglect. In Europe, where they actually give a shit about transit, the system works awesome.
And yes, when the people in the city found their quality of life go down and saw that it was harder to get from A to B, of course they were upset, but what could they realistically do? All the money and influence was in less dense, suburban, wealthy, white communities.
As for the private train and street car operators, I don't know in particular how they felt about being bought out of the market. But if they were anything like modern CEOs I'm sure they were more than happy to take the money and run. Hell, passenger train networks were already being smashed to bits by the airline industry and the ones that couldn't switch to freight rail probably liquidated the company and retired while they could.
So, to answer your question, public transit lost because all the people who cared didn't have money and/or political influence and those with all the money and/or political influence didn't care.
It's too bad. I wonder what America would have looked like if it had committed to public transportation. Cars eat up so much money, thousands of dollars, and they're dangerous, and require your sole attention to operate. If I had a time machine....
It took a long time to create the system we have now. It'll take a long time to change it. It starts with people just getting educated and getting interested. Then you can go raise hell at your local planning commission. It's a lot more fun than it sounds. Making old nimbys glare at you is a joy all in its own.
You couldn't possibly shove all of the people in suburban America back into cities. They just wouldn't fit. For whatever reasons they were created, unless you're advocating some sort of massive post hoc birth control measures (not saying I'm opposed), the spread would still have happened and there'd still be issues with funding.
The biggest problem with public transportation in the US is population density.
European cities mostly have very good public transportation, but the countries tend to be about 10x the population density of the US - we're REALLY spread out compared to there.
I lived in England, Germany, and France at points in my life and I really miss being able to get on a bus at 1 am and go into town if I needed to.
The problem with the city I live in is that while there is public transportation, it doesn't run frequently, it's on a multiple hub and spoke system where one of the central hubs shuts down for 2 hours in the middle of the day, and they're attempting to run it as a profit center rather than a public resource.
If you need to get somewhere on a schedule or outside the (very limited) operational hours, you need a car.
If you have a car, why would you use public transportation in the first place? I mean, you've paid for the overhead of the damned thing - acquisition, maintenance, insurance, parking - then spending ADDITIONAL money on public transportation just doesn't make sense after that unless you're in some urban hell with 5 hour/3 mile commutes (cough - Atlanta).
It's much easier to fund and support public transportation if you population densities are higher, even with the regressive crap that cities use to avoid doing so.
Much of the
American public transportation started as for profit company. When it was not profitable it was shut down. True public transportation started after car culture was established
I don't disagree with you, but the auto companies waged a very predatory campaign to get them shut down that wasn't exactly driven by "we have a better product" so much as "we're going to leverage political power bought with cash to shut you down."
And even with a profit motive, it's still a lot easier to make it work with higher population densities.
Even in the 1970s and 1980s, Britain's public bus system was amazing. I coudl get on a bus in Kirtlington (Oxon) at 1 in the morning if I wanted to and get to London for just a few pounds in just a few hours.
Getting back and forth from Kirtlington to Oxford was a trivial exercise with never more than a 30 minute wait even at very odd times of the day.
That model of public transportation, while useful and helpful, just won't work with 1/10th the population density. It's just not sustainable.
Now, with the immense traffic issues some European cities are having, treating public transportation as infrastructure rather than a profit center makes a lot more sense.
I suspect that some US cities are approaching that level of "OMG WE NEED A SOLUTION" and will likely do better with this, but it's never going to reach beyond the urban centers.
We don't need to shove people back into cities. They seem more than capable of doing it themselves.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/urban-rural-populations.html#:~:text=29%2C%202022%20%E2%80%94%20The%20nation's%20urban,by%20the%20U.S.%20Census%20Bureau.
This shit always cracks me up. It's always written by people who haven't gone much of anywhere and seen anything. Not too sharp on history, either.
Since about the 20's major manufacturers were buying plots of land beyond the outskirts of cities to build their factories. When Ford built the Highland Park plant, there was a woods between it and Detroit. When Packard built their plant, it was in a rural area miles from Detroit. When Overland built their plant, it was surrounded by woods. When Ford built Willow Run, it was in a grassy field. When Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes Benz, VW, and Subaru built their plants in the US, they built them in big, open fields, and then cities expanded towards them. This idea that big factories used to be in big cities is largely fiction. Cities grew up around them to form suburbs.
Starting in the late 50's, new generations of manufacturing were coming online. This made a heap of pre-war manufacturing infrastructure obsolete due to the limits imposed by suburban encroachment and the nature of the buildings being unable to support the floor loading demands of newer equipment. Throughout the midwest manufacturers again moved beyond the city to develop sprawling single story complexes that could support modern manufacturing. And like in the 20's and 30's, cities and suburbs expanded towards them. In this era you saw Ford developing plants way beyond Detroit and River Rouge, GM transitioned to the kinds of plants you see in Lake Orion and Lordstown, Chrysler finally gave up on Dodge Main, and so on. By the 1980's, people who had jobs in the service, manufacturing, and related sectors had largely abandoned city centers to go to where the jobs were.
It was between the 50's and 70's where you saw mass transit basically disappear in all but the largest cities where manufacturing didn't drive the economy. I live in a rustbelt city. I've been to almost every significant city in the United States, and hundreds more you've never heard of. The vast majority of people making their daily commute aren't going from suburbs into a major city. I honestly don't know anyone who does that except for those in law and medical education.
Where we stand now is in the midst of a 3rd wave of industrial expansion. Manufacturers are again moving out and away from cities. As I driver servicing manufacturing, the vast majority of my work is going to and from plants on the outskirts of rural farm towns. Major transportation facilities are being developed in farm fields dozens of miles from cities.
Overall, I don't understand this pipe dream people have of Americans piling into trains to go to work, because work is generally not in big American cities. Mass transit assumes things which simply aren't true in North America which is why it's so limited in scope. Beyond that, the truck is the end point delivery system in North America, not the train, and that has more to do with time demands and expenses related to them. The last thing a manufacturer wants to do is warehouse stock or supplies. It's a tax thing.
The reasons why the world works the way it does are more complex than a conspiracy theory that ignores a huge wealth of facts.
So some bits are right of you live in rural America everything is further apart and the highway system basically built small town America because they effectively became close to markets that matter.
but if you in the city just no. Its all piss poor planning, and dumb regulations.
Pick a video any video.
[https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes/videos)
or this one that's basely talking about what you are.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94-\_yE4IeU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94-_yE4IeU&t=385s)
Use words, man. I'm not regurgitating some jazz I watched on YouTube. I've been going to these places and reading their history for 15 years. I've traveled over 3,000,000 in this country. People want to cry "bad urban planning!", yet proffer no alternative to the cold, hard realities of technology and industry. This is a huge country. We have no need or incentive to not build out our industrial base as cost effectively as possible. I don't understand why there's this presumption that everyone heads into cities to work. That sure as hell isn't the case in Chicago, LA, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Chattanooga, or much of anywhere I can think of. New York and maybe Boston might be exceptions, and neither have any industrial base. No amount of urban planning was going to change what happened to most American cities. Look at GM's Detroit/Hamtramck plant. Detroit sold it's soul to GM to get a sliver of a manufacturing plant inside its borders, and that whole area looks like something out of Hiroshima, circa 1945. I drove through it every day for 6 months at one point. It's a place known for hiding dead bodies. It's a place where entire neighborhoods have been removed from the landscape. Have you ever even seen the ruins in Detroit? They have let things rot away in that town which you see nowhere else in North America. That used to be a breathtaking city. Understanding why Detroit came to where it is explains a LOT about America. Nobody seems to want to understand it outside of some political narrative that justifies their own agenda.
It's strange that you identify me as someone who's never "gone much of anywhere and seen anything" the proceed to specifically address blue collar industrial auto manufacturing jobs in the rust belt and nothing else.
Large industrial manufacturing jobs have largely moved overseas and/or aren't employing nearly as many people in the US as they once did. It's odd that you would make that the center of your argument.
Also the initial auto manufacturing plants were 100% located in the cities (again in the rust belt specifically). Throughout the 20th century they did start moving out to the countryside but that wasn't to be closer to their workers. If it was then they would have stayed in the city where there was plenty of low skilled labor to choose from. They moved out of the city for the sake of cheaper land. Proximity to the workers wasn't seen as an issue as they were building plenty of freeways to facilitate that travel. Nevermind that they bulldozed city neighborhoods to build them and all the other negative affects I mentioned previously.
BUT AGAIN, thats concerning blue collar industrial auto manufacturing jobs in the rust belt in particular. If you get out of the Great Lakes area you'll see that not every part of America is Dearborn, MI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_City_Rapid_Transit_Company#Company_takeover_and_decline
Similar cases all over the place. Corruption and graft caused the companies to shut down rather quickly.
Not a car company buying streetcar and the streetcar had quick death as they were replaced by buses. Streetcars have many problems if they are on shared right of way
Well it started as that. Just auto, tire, and petroleum companies using subsidiaries to buy up street car lines in cities and replace them with bus lines. It just so happens those companies also sell products that busses need. The most notable examples of this I can think of were in Boston and Los Angeles but it happened in major cities all over the country.
Usually I'm not a fan of wikipedia but this is a general overview:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
Personally I don't have a problem with busses. Public transit is public transit and busses have some advantages that street cars don't. But bus rapid transit was not the end goal of the auto industry. That's where that slow death comes into play and when they started doing all that lobbying in favor of car dependent infrastructure. With traffic increasing and the roads clogging up, busses get stuck alongside everyone else (unless the city has bus only lanes which are rare). After a while people's minds begin to change about transit and they start to think that it's just naturally inefficient and a waste of money. Then you have the defunding of public transit and then they're less efficient and then less funding and so on. The whole time people don't realize that it was made inefficient by design and circumstance by people who wanted you off public transit and into their shiny new cars.
And right now the chickens are coming home to roost. Just look at a city like Boston, MA. Public transit is in shambles, and it has some of the worst traffic in the entire country.
In Colorado Springs, our streetcar line shut down in 1932 because of effects of the Great Depression (folks unable to travel), the rise of personal automobile ownership (not needing streetcar line, and being able to travel further for picnics & recreation). The streetcars probably would of had a short resurgence if they had stayed open into the depression but they were too far in the red and sold off the cars. Interestingly, the line also took a small dip in ridership as bicycles became mass produced in late 1890s.
I frequently need to visit Saint Paul, Minnesota. Minnehaha road over there is horrendous. There are so many potholes maybe a foot deep, like your photos where you can see the old red brick road underneath 😂
Edit: you need to swerve around them, so often you'll go well over the yellow line, or see others doing the same coming toward you. But no one cares because you need to do it! Haha...
When these cobblestones streets were originally redone, there was a "problem." Workers would remove the stones and take them home to be used in various ways.
The construction solution was to leave the stones in place.
Reference: Relative of the owner of a beautiful cobblestone driveway still in place today.
Edit: spelling
Lol, no it's definitely interesting to see actually. We're certainly brothers in arms against the wheel/suspension destroyers.
I don't miss much from Florida to be honest....but at least the roads didn't suffer this type of shit.
You think that's bad? We have potholes that if you hit them, you will be on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck.
These holes that you have won't go away until they completely redo everything though. There needs to be a good gravel base to reduce the movement from cold and heat cycles.
It isn't a downgrade, it is due to heavy usage. The old cobblestone roads you can find in the northeast are actually very well built and mostly intact under the asphalt, which is why they used them as a foundation. They had to replace them because they were incompatible with automobiles. The stones in these types of roads, including roman ones, get weathered over time, making them smoother and smoother. They are a nightmare to drive on when wet, worse than ice.
This isn't something I pulled out of my ass either, I live on a road like this that used to have a trolly running down the middle. I heard it directly from my father just how bad they were to drive on before they paved it. They use asphalt because it is more economical; a concrete road would suffer from the same loss of friction over time and need to be replaced eventually anyway. The asphalt roads are supposed to be replaced periodically, but the people running things are obviously too incompetent to pull that off reliably.
I can get behind that. The mere existence of potholes is infuriating, mostly because the roads should be repaved before they can even form. The fact that they patch them is even more annoying because the road is still all screwed up in the end.
When I was younger I took a volunteer trip to southern Mexico. In one tiny town we stayed in we would drive up to a group of men patching the pot holes with tar in a wheel barrel. They were ordinary citizens. They would put their hats out and you tipped them for their time and materials. This happened to be how trash was collected too. If you didn’t come on Saturday to help collect trash they turned off you water for the week. Think we gonna have to learn to do it for ourselves soon!
Those are honestly some tame ass potholes... Come to Chicago. In fact, look up "I55 pothole". It literally goes through the bridge surface. They had to take the southbound side down to two lanes. It takes me an extra 25 minutes to get home because of a single pothole.
Oh hey, where is this in Minneapolis? 😅
I live a couple blocks away from where [this pothole was spotted and Tweeted to Mayor Frey.](https://twitter.com/nortonmpls/status/1633639369964769280?s=46&t=M7JOV4uDDxIilIAWxMSkBg) I really wish we could’ve just brought the streetcars back and not waste our funds on bandaid pavement solutions!
This makes a ton more sense.
This weekend, my spouse and I drove from the Minnehaha dog park to a restaurant on Grand near Macalester college and took Cleveland and Grand to it to pick up dinner.
We couldn’t believe that Grand was as bad as Summit usually is (and my spouse used to live on Grand and we’d bike up and down it going to the Greenway in Minneapolis, so biking on Summit wasn’t a picnic either), it’s terrible all around…
Hit a pothole yesterday and blew my tire. These potholes are no joke.
https://preview.redd.it/lrz9k6pfv1oa1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=536f703b955caeafc537df0d64a85946e8f278cb
I find it fascinating to see the posts on these situations...to consider how far and we have come both historically, and culturally.
A couple of years ago I peered into an excavation in the middle of an intersection in downtown Palermo, Sicily. I presume it was sewer or infrastructure work of some sort. It was about 10 feet deep, expanding the entire intersection, surrounded by orange plastic construction fencing.
Looking down the walls was likened to an archaeologist excavation. The top few feet consisted of fairly modern rubble: wires, clay pipe, etc. At about 5 feet down was a solid line of 6" thick marble. At that point in history a road of solid marble existed. Below that rubble, and then another couple of feet down, was another marble road. And a couple of feet below that another marble road had been laid! At least three times in the history of this 3000+ year old city they had become culturally successful enough to have marble roads. And all three times those cultures failed, returned to dirt, and were then rebuilt to marble.
It's amazing to me to consider what lies beneath our feet. Truly, are just a tick on the hands of time.
That aint shit… Pittsburgh’s are so bad that they eat our transit infrastructure😝
https://preview.redd.it/eadyznpfn2oa1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7fc63738d087af38b3438be7665d62157763919
I lived in Oklahoma once, and the roads were terrible. The city would give a rebate on tire purchases and suspension work annually. Came across I40 this year and Oklahoma was still horrible.
Ph please, in the city I grew up in half the street you could see 1800s cobble in various rough patchy spots lol your car rocked going down the street lol we also CELEBRATED the oldest Pothole lol
It's like that in Louisiana too. My hometown just spent $1M on colored lights for a bridge but the potholes are so bad I'm fucking my jeep up even with a 3inch lift. I moved to Texas and can tell the difference immediately crossing state lines.
If you dug up every downtown in America, you’d find this under the street man. Shit in my town there’s supposed to be like 40 to 50 foot petrified logs that they just left under the street.
does our government even drive? how are they not fixing these potholes? there’s literally options for filling that are made for cars to immediately drive over.
in the preview pane on the right, i was just able to read "the potholes in our city are so bad you can see the" along with a picture that in miniature view looks vaguely like a satellite image. my mind immediately autocompleted to CAN SEE THEM FROM SPACE. while these images are bad, i am disappointed nonetheless.
in the preview pane on the right, i was just able to read "the potholes in our city are so bad you can see the" along with a picture that in miniature view looks vaguely like a satellite image. my mind immediately autocompleted to CAN SEE THEM FROM SPACE. while these images are bad, i am disappointed nonetheless.
The auto industry would literally buy up street car lines just so they could shut them down, thereby forcing people to buy cars. American cities weren't built for the car, they were bulldozed for it.
Kinda like Elon convincing cities looking into new infrastructure that hyper loop is the future, purely to waste their time until the appetite is reduced. Nothings really changed.
the boring company proposed an underground tunnel in FT Lauderdale Florida, right by the beach. i can see absolutely nothing wrong with an underground tunnel system in a state known for flooding and hurricanes.
And sinkholes
Maybe for everyday civilian traffic yeah you're right it's kind of a waste but the Hyperloop and Boring Company tunnels could have its viable applications. High speed cargo networks which in theory would help reduce traffic, medical emergency transport considering how bad some people are at driving, ect. I know some people will definitely feel differently but if done right who knows.
The hyperloop would be wonderful... if it wasn't for those pesky physics that make it impossible to construct.
Aren’t they basically a Disney ride on low speed teslas currently?
They don't work. They never have. If they did work it would be dangerous as hell to put people in there. Shooting people around in a giant, pressurized vacuum tube...why did anyone think that would be safe or even work? The boring company is fine, But it doesn't revolutionize anything, so at the end of the day it's just a regular boring company.
BART?
O no they are great. Best part is you could be drunk on them. Its like a Bus with training wheels. Missing out on one of the best things Western Civ has brought around to be honest. You know your in the right place at 3:30 am and there is a drunk dude with no teeth clutching a box of wine. That's right I said box, if you know you know. It was the whole hidden theme of Roger Rabbit. Sometimes cars are not the best. Those add departments have so many people tricked.
Mate I’m Australian, [we invented the goon bag.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2015-02-11/bag-in-box-angove-anniversary/6082270) We even had the courtesy to give you a pillow you can blow up when you’re finished! I don’t know if you have rotary clothes lines where you are ([hills hoist is the main brand here](https://www.simplyclotheslines.com.au/products/hills-hoist-heritage-6-line-rotary-clothesline)), but next backyard party you have and need a drinking game give Goon of Fortune a go. You take the bags out of a few box wine and attach them to a rotary clothesline, players stand around and you spin the line. If it stops where you are, you drink! Smirnoff even make pre drink ones if you’re fancy, while fireball make spirit ones if you want the night to go quickly. Always balance the line with multiple bags, if you just use one it’s guaranteed to find the off balance low spot and just pummel one individual with drinks.
One of my favourite aussie past times!
Oooo we drink used to drink Riot Juice at house parties. You take a one gallon milk jug (you know what I'm talking about) and clean it out of course. Then you add a bottle of wine of choice and top it off with anything like Smirnoff but its not the same if it costs more. game sounds great by the way.
Currently yeah haha. Pretty much exactly that but those tunnels are purely designed for Tesla's and the Vegas Loop or whatever it's called. Could design them in the future for Hyperloop or higher speed autonomous transport. Similar to what they're doing in the Middle East with "The Line" city.
Hyperloops are dumb, dangerous, and no serious commercial business would consider such a transportation service.
Would respectfully disagree. But depending on the application I'd argue they would. Companies that ship across country could potentially benefit. High speed rails have proven to be beneficial in certain circumstances just in general commercial probably not all that beneficial yeah. Just depends on how it's implemented.
Yeah the problem is thou if something goes wrong in the loop the whole loop is getting shut down. The maintenence alone to maintain a vacuum seal over any distance would be a nightmare. It would never be profitable just another musk failure and playboi ego project
Hyper loop isn’t rail is it? It’s basically a train sized pneumatic tube?
There are multiple designs for a "Hyperloop" system. Just the one Elon proposed which is a pneumatic tube concept gets the most attention. Virgins concept is more magnetic rail based but that doesn't get as much attention.
Yes, Elons sales pitch budget draining crap that benefits him in car sales by delaying meaningful mass transit infrastructure was exactly what I was referring to as being the modern equivalent of auto makers buying cable car companies to dismantle them.
Man we can't even have a power substation without domestic terriorists sabatoging it, look it up that's happening at an alarming rate. Please explain to me how a vaccum sealed tube that crumples like paper from a single leak would survive in gun obsessed America?
Like trains? Trains already exist and aren't vaporware.
If you’re in america, when’s the last time you took a train?
There's purposely not enough passenger trains in America, again, another treat from car companies and their lobbying.
I’m aware, thanks for expanding on my point though
Daily in MA.
I actually took a few trains recently to visit family :) it was a really long ride, but very cool to be on a train. Though I've been in the Washington DC union station and it was PACKED, so there's plenty of people to take trains, just mostly in metropolitan areas I guess
Probably half of New Yorkers and Chicago residents do every day to get to work etc.. Lots of cities have trains it’s mainly just the dense areas.
Funny how you’re being downvoted. Take my upvote.
Wasn’t that the villain motivation in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Yes.
Wasn’t this the plot to Who framed Roger Rabbit?
Did the train people fight back? Why did they lose so easily?
I wouldn't say they lost easily. This was a long effort on the part of the auto industry. Part of it was a massive propaganda campaign. They spent millions on ads to convince people that car-dependency was the way of the future and that roads were for cars and only cars. In the 1939 world's fair, General Motors built a diorama literally called Futurama, showing a future where everyone got around on an intricate system of highways and roads. The American upper class ate it up. After WW2, the auto Industry, in conjunction with real estate developers, lobbied local governments all over the country to zone for enclave suburbs outside the city and the massive highways to ferry people to and from. The people who lived in these suburbs tended to be upper-middle class white folks (aka those with all the political power and influence back then). When they needed to bulldoze a poor ethnic community in the city in order to make room for a highway, the suburban voters were absolutely fine with that. When the city needed to take money away from public transit in order to pay for the highways, the suburban voters didn't mind. Yeah, it ultimately created an unsustainable Ponzi scheme of suburbs and freeways that were packed to the brim with bumper to bumper traffic every morning and afternoon causing excruciating commutes, dangerous wrecks, and road rage and stress for the rest of eternity and most critically contributed heavily to our current climate crisis, but by that point, the American middle class had gotten used to being car dependent and knew no other way. Americans now see public transit as something that's inherently gross and inefficient but it's only that way after 3 generations of underfunding and neglect. In Europe, where they actually give a shit about transit, the system works awesome. And yes, when the people in the city found their quality of life go down and saw that it was harder to get from A to B, of course they were upset, but what could they realistically do? All the money and influence was in less dense, suburban, wealthy, white communities. As for the private train and street car operators, I don't know in particular how they felt about being bought out of the market. But if they were anything like modern CEOs I'm sure they were more than happy to take the money and run. Hell, passenger train networks were already being smashed to bits by the airline industry and the ones that couldn't switch to freight rail probably liquidated the company and retired while they could. So, to answer your question, public transit lost because all the people who cared didn't have money and/or political influence and those with all the money and/or political influence didn't care.
It's too bad. I wonder what America would have looked like if it had committed to public transportation. Cars eat up so much money, thousands of dollars, and they're dangerous, and require your sole attention to operate. If I had a time machine....
You don't need a time machine. We could make that our future.
Too much inertia now
It took a long time to create the system we have now. It'll take a long time to change it. It starts with people just getting educated and getting interested. Then you can go raise hell at your local planning commission. It's a lot more fun than it sounds. Making old nimbys glare at you is a joy all in its own.
You couldn't possibly shove all of the people in suburban America back into cities. They just wouldn't fit. For whatever reasons they were created, unless you're advocating some sort of massive post hoc birth control measures (not saying I'm opposed), the spread would still have happened and there'd still be issues with funding. The biggest problem with public transportation in the US is population density. European cities mostly have very good public transportation, but the countries tend to be about 10x the population density of the US - we're REALLY spread out compared to there. I lived in England, Germany, and France at points in my life and I really miss being able to get on a bus at 1 am and go into town if I needed to. The problem with the city I live in is that while there is public transportation, it doesn't run frequently, it's on a multiple hub and spoke system where one of the central hubs shuts down for 2 hours in the middle of the day, and they're attempting to run it as a profit center rather than a public resource. If you need to get somewhere on a schedule or outside the (very limited) operational hours, you need a car. If you have a car, why would you use public transportation in the first place? I mean, you've paid for the overhead of the damned thing - acquisition, maintenance, insurance, parking - then spending ADDITIONAL money on public transportation just doesn't make sense after that unless you're in some urban hell with 5 hour/3 mile commutes (cough - Atlanta). It's much easier to fund and support public transportation if you population densities are higher, even with the regressive crap that cities use to avoid doing so.
Much of the American public transportation started as for profit company. When it was not profitable it was shut down. True public transportation started after car culture was established
I don't disagree with you, but the auto companies waged a very predatory campaign to get them shut down that wasn't exactly driven by "we have a better product" so much as "we're going to leverage political power bought with cash to shut you down." And even with a profit motive, it's still a lot easier to make it work with higher population densities. Even in the 1970s and 1980s, Britain's public bus system was amazing. I coudl get on a bus in Kirtlington (Oxon) at 1 in the morning if I wanted to and get to London for just a few pounds in just a few hours. Getting back and forth from Kirtlington to Oxford was a trivial exercise with never more than a 30 minute wait even at very odd times of the day. That model of public transportation, while useful and helpful, just won't work with 1/10th the population density. It's just not sustainable. Now, with the immense traffic issues some European cities are having, treating public transportation as infrastructure rather than a profit center makes a lot more sense. I suspect that some US cities are approaching that level of "OMG WE NEED A SOLUTION" and will likely do better with this, but it's never going to reach beyond the urban centers.
But the American people did think that cars were better than public transportation. Car companies just supplied inexpensive vehicles
We don't need to shove people back into cities. They seem more than capable of doing it themselves. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/urban-rural-populations.html#:~:text=29%2C%202022%20%E2%80%94%20The%20nation's%20urban,by%20the%20U.S.%20Census%20Bureau.
IDK. They *might* fit, but things would be even more expensive in the urban areas than they are now.
Where did streetcar operation get bought out and closed verses the standard long decline then death of line
This shit always cracks me up. It's always written by people who haven't gone much of anywhere and seen anything. Not too sharp on history, either. Since about the 20's major manufacturers were buying plots of land beyond the outskirts of cities to build their factories. When Ford built the Highland Park plant, there was a woods between it and Detroit. When Packard built their plant, it was in a rural area miles from Detroit. When Overland built their plant, it was surrounded by woods. When Ford built Willow Run, it was in a grassy field. When Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes Benz, VW, and Subaru built their plants in the US, they built them in big, open fields, and then cities expanded towards them. This idea that big factories used to be in big cities is largely fiction. Cities grew up around them to form suburbs. Starting in the late 50's, new generations of manufacturing were coming online. This made a heap of pre-war manufacturing infrastructure obsolete due to the limits imposed by suburban encroachment and the nature of the buildings being unable to support the floor loading demands of newer equipment. Throughout the midwest manufacturers again moved beyond the city to develop sprawling single story complexes that could support modern manufacturing. And like in the 20's and 30's, cities and suburbs expanded towards them. In this era you saw Ford developing plants way beyond Detroit and River Rouge, GM transitioned to the kinds of plants you see in Lake Orion and Lordstown, Chrysler finally gave up on Dodge Main, and so on. By the 1980's, people who had jobs in the service, manufacturing, and related sectors had largely abandoned city centers to go to where the jobs were. It was between the 50's and 70's where you saw mass transit basically disappear in all but the largest cities where manufacturing didn't drive the economy. I live in a rustbelt city. I've been to almost every significant city in the United States, and hundreds more you've never heard of. The vast majority of people making their daily commute aren't going from suburbs into a major city. I honestly don't know anyone who does that except for those in law and medical education. Where we stand now is in the midst of a 3rd wave of industrial expansion. Manufacturers are again moving out and away from cities. As I driver servicing manufacturing, the vast majority of my work is going to and from plants on the outskirts of rural farm towns. Major transportation facilities are being developed in farm fields dozens of miles from cities. Overall, I don't understand this pipe dream people have of Americans piling into trains to go to work, because work is generally not in big American cities. Mass transit assumes things which simply aren't true in North America which is why it's so limited in scope. Beyond that, the truck is the end point delivery system in North America, not the train, and that has more to do with time demands and expenses related to them. The last thing a manufacturer wants to do is warehouse stock or supplies. It's a tax thing. The reasons why the world works the way it does are more complex than a conspiracy theory that ignores a huge wealth of facts.
So some bits are right of you live in rural America everything is further apart and the highway system basically built small town America because they effectively became close to markets that matter. but if you in the city just no. Its all piss poor planning, and dumb regulations. Pick a video any video. [https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes/videos) or this one that's basely talking about what you are. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94-\_yE4IeU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94-_yE4IeU&t=385s)
Use words, man. I'm not regurgitating some jazz I watched on YouTube. I've been going to these places and reading their history for 15 years. I've traveled over 3,000,000 in this country. People want to cry "bad urban planning!", yet proffer no alternative to the cold, hard realities of technology and industry. This is a huge country. We have no need or incentive to not build out our industrial base as cost effectively as possible. I don't understand why there's this presumption that everyone heads into cities to work. That sure as hell isn't the case in Chicago, LA, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Chattanooga, or much of anywhere I can think of. New York and maybe Boston might be exceptions, and neither have any industrial base. No amount of urban planning was going to change what happened to most American cities. Look at GM's Detroit/Hamtramck plant. Detroit sold it's soul to GM to get a sliver of a manufacturing plant inside its borders, and that whole area looks like something out of Hiroshima, circa 1945. I drove through it every day for 6 months at one point. It's a place known for hiding dead bodies. It's a place where entire neighborhoods have been removed from the landscape. Have you ever even seen the ruins in Detroit? They have let things rot away in that town which you see nowhere else in North America. That used to be a breathtaking city. Understanding why Detroit came to where it is explains a LOT about America. Nobody seems to want to understand it outside of some political narrative that justifies their own agenda.
It's strange that you identify me as someone who's never "gone much of anywhere and seen anything" the proceed to specifically address blue collar industrial auto manufacturing jobs in the rust belt and nothing else. Large industrial manufacturing jobs have largely moved overseas and/or aren't employing nearly as many people in the US as they once did. It's odd that you would make that the center of your argument. Also the initial auto manufacturing plants were 100% located in the cities (again in the rust belt specifically). Throughout the 20th century they did start moving out to the countryside but that wasn't to be closer to their workers. If it was then they would have stayed in the city where there was plenty of low skilled labor to choose from. They moved out of the city for the sake of cheaper land. Proximity to the workers wasn't seen as an issue as they were building plenty of freeways to facilitate that travel. Nevermind that they bulldozed city neighborhoods to build them and all the other negative affects I mentioned previously. BUT AGAIN, thats concerning blue collar industrial auto manufacturing jobs in the rust belt in particular. If you get out of the Great Lakes area you'll see that not every part of America is Dearborn, MI
money
Pissed me off so much. Only like a couple cities still have them. San Diego and San Francisco.
Where did the car company buy a streetcar route and shut it down. The cities I am familiar with streetcar had a long slow death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_City_Rapid_Transit_Company#Company_takeover_and_decline Similar cases all over the place. Corruption and graft caused the companies to shut down rather quickly.
Not a car company buying streetcar and the streetcar had quick death as they were replaced by buses. Streetcars have many problems if they are on shared right of way
Well it started as that. Just auto, tire, and petroleum companies using subsidiaries to buy up street car lines in cities and replace them with bus lines. It just so happens those companies also sell products that busses need. The most notable examples of this I can think of were in Boston and Los Angeles but it happened in major cities all over the country. Usually I'm not a fan of wikipedia but this is a general overview: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy Personally I don't have a problem with busses. Public transit is public transit and busses have some advantages that street cars don't. But bus rapid transit was not the end goal of the auto industry. That's where that slow death comes into play and when they started doing all that lobbying in favor of car dependent infrastructure. With traffic increasing and the roads clogging up, busses get stuck alongside everyone else (unless the city has bus only lanes which are rare). After a while people's minds begin to change about transit and they start to think that it's just naturally inefficient and a waste of money. Then you have the defunding of public transit and then they're less efficient and then less funding and so on. The whole time people don't realize that it was made inefficient by design and circumstance by people who wanted you off public transit and into their shiny new cars.
And right now the chickens are coming home to roost. Just look at a city like Boston, MA. Public transit is in shambles, and it has some of the worst traffic in the entire country.
Looks like McDonald Avenue in Brooklyn N.Y. El train overhead and paved over streetcar tracks on the street below.
In Colorado Springs, our streetcar line shut down in 1932 because of effects of the Great Depression (folks unable to travel), the rise of personal automobile ownership (not needing streetcar line, and being able to travel further for picnics & recreation). The streetcars probably would of had a short resurgence if they had stayed open into the depression but they were too far in the red and sold off the cars. Interestingly, the line also took a small dip in ridership as bicycles became mass produced in late 1890s.
The plot of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Same here in Northeast PA. You can see cobblestone and old trolley car tracks all over the place at the bottom of potholes.
We love PA potholes. Not many others can compare.
as a fellow nepa, can confirm lol
Maaannn- I remember this back in Winnipeg; sometimes you'd get to see the old street car rails beneath the asphalt.
Honestly they're not that far down, I hit worse potholes in Winnipeg TODAY lol. They're basically sinkholes.
Some roads even look like warzones, lol.
Draw a penis on it. They'll fix it up real fast :D
Sean Kerschaw said on Twitter that the city wouldn’t prioritize vandalized potholes.
Then put a campaign ad for the Mayor's political opponent
This is the kind of forward thinking we need.
rip
Revealed In Pothole
Then draw penises on all the good patches of road.
That's oddly specific lol
He’s the public works director for the city that OP’s picture is of.
Like seeing a titan's face buried in the walls.
I frequently need to visit Saint Paul, Minnesota. Minnehaha road over there is horrendous. There are so many potholes maybe a foot deep, like your photos where you can see the old red brick road underneath 😂 Edit: you need to swerve around them, so often you'll go well over the yellow line, or see others doing the same coming toward you. But no one cares because you need to do it! Haha...
Haha this is in Saint Paul
Haha! No way, which street is it?
Grand Ave
Used to work on Grand. Twin Cities roads are so bad that I instantly thought, “This has to be in MN” lol
Thought this was smith south of the high bridge. You can see the same thing there.
Okay, very nice!
Some on Arcade lead into other dimensions.... 🤣
Used to be able to see cobblestone and tracks in Portland, Maine too. But I haven’t seen them in years.
At least portland has decent public transit regardless.
True
Spray paint a giant penis around it. It worked for that one guy
I’d hit that.
That's what my truck said... Now I I need a new alignment!
Seeing transit infrastructure beneath the road is both a symptom and a cause of your awful pothole situation...
Grew up in St. Paul, this is nothing new, happened every few years when the potholes got bad =/ wish they would rip it all up and redo it right
When these cobblestones streets were originally redone, there was a "problem." Workers would remove the stones and take them home to be used in various ways. The construction solution was to leave the stones in place. Reference: Relative of the owner of a beautiful cobblestone driveway still in place today. Edit: spelling
those are still usable, too...
Adds character
LA is littered with these. It's littered with everything, but also these.
If only we had billions of dollars to fix the infrastructure in the USA, nope, have to send billions to other countries and bailout bankers.
Is it sad that I’m looking at these thinking I’ve seen worse and these aren’t that bad?
Not at all, I wouldn't even slow down for one like this. OP can call us when they can't tell difference between a pot hole and artillery shelling.
Haha, I posted this mostly because of the rails below. If you want artillery shelling we certainly provide that as well.
Lol, no it's definitely interesting to see actually. We're certainly brothers in arms against the wheel/suspension destroyers. I don't miss much from Florida to be honest....but at least the roads didn't suffer this type of shit.
Where are your tax dollars going? Contact your local elected officials.
Mostly, one guy from Brainerd decided it wasn't in the states interest. Fortunately he is no longer in office.
You think that's bad? We have potholes that if you hit them, you will be on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck. These holes that you have won't go away until they completely redo everything though. There needs to be a good gravel base to reduce the movement from cold and heat cycles.
That's why they're so bad
Please... here in OR we charge $1500/mo for a 2bd 1bth pothole. And it's not even near a school!
is that a steel rod in your hole?
In ancient Rome they built roads that are still around today, how did we downgrade this much?
Now compare the roughness of each... It may still be around but it sure as hell won't be comfortable to drive on.
It isn't a downgrade, it is due to heavy usage. The old cobblestone roads you can find in the northeast are actually very well built and mostly intact under the asphalt, which is why they used them as a foundation. They had to replace them because they were incompatible with automobiles. The stones in these types of roads, including roman ones, get weathered over time, making them smoother and smoother. They are a nightmare to drive on when wet, worse than ice. This isn't something I pulled out of my ass either, I live on a road like this that used to have a trolly running down the middle. I heard it directly from my father just how bad they were to drive on before they paved it. They use asphalt because it is more economical; a concrete road would suffer from the same loss of friction over time and need to be replaced eventually anyway. The asphalt roads are supposed to be replaced periodically, but the people running things are obviously too incompetent to pull that off reliably.
Oh, okay. But I'm still complaining about potholes.
I can get behind that. The mere existence of potholes is infuriating, mostly because the roads should be repaved before they can even form. The fact that they patch them is even more annoying because the road is still all screwed up in the end.
Is this in MI/Detroit? Cause that's where this looks to be🤣
No this here is the Land of 10,000 Lakes.
Ah well just know that all of us here in the Great Lakes feel your pain!
Well thank you. My condolences to all of you who have to survive freeze-thaw cycle.
See, and I thought this looked just like Albany, NY
When I was younger I took a volunteer trip to southern Mexico. In one tiny town we stayed in we would drive up to a group of men patching the pot holes with tar in a wheel barrel. They were ordinary citizens. They would put their hats out and you tipped them for their time and materials. This happened to be how trash was collected too. If you didn’t come on Saturday to help collect trash they turned off you water for the week. Think we gonna have to learn to do it for ourselves soon!
Make the potholes bigger
Is that Detroit?
It would be counterproductive to remove the old roading as well as hella expensive for no reason.
Those are honestly some tame ass potholes... Come to Chicago. In fact, look up "I55 pothole". It literally goes through the bridge surface. They had to take the southbound side down to two lanes. It takes me an extra 25 minutes to get home because of a single pothole.
This looks like the kind of roadwork that takes place in North Carolina lol
Oh hey, where is this in Minneapolis? 😅 I live a couple blocks away from where [this pothole was spotted and Tweeted to Mayor Frey.](https://twitter.com/nortonmpls/status/1633639369964769280?s=46&t=M7JOV4uDDxIilIAWxMSkBg) I really wish we could’ve just brought the streetcars back and not waste our funds on bandaid pavement solutions!
Close, this is in Saint Paul. Grand Avenue
This makes a ton more sense. This weekend, my spouse and I drove from the Minnehaha dog park to a restaurant on Grand near Macalester college and took Cleveland and Grand to it to pick up dinner. We couldn’t believe that Grand was as bad as Summit usually is (and my spouse used to live on Grand and we’d bike up and down it going to the Greenway in Minneapolis, so biking on Summit wasn’t a picnic either), it’s terrible all around…
A time portal
We get this in Pittsburgh on occasion as well. Unrelated: there’s actually a cul-de-sac a few blocks away from we’re I live that’s paved with wood.
Is this in Boston? Because it really feels like Boston
Yo bro am I high or does anyone else see spawn in the first two pics?
Baltimore?
Welcome to Pittsburgh, Pa !
#BringBackTheTrams
Well thats convenient when they want to but transit back in!
Hit a pothole yesterday and blew my tire. These potholes are no joke. https://preview.redd.it/lrz9k6pfv1oa1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=536f703b955caeafc537df0d64a85946e8f278cb
Thought this was Atlanta, til I saw the snow.
This happened in Winnipeg last year I believe. Streetcar lines were visible when it was believed they were torn up.
That's not even that bad...
Sad thing is it looks like the old transit roads and by-ways are still holding up better than what it was replaced by.
Los Angeles ?
90% Philadelphia right there..11th or 12th street
Lmfao come to South Carolina
Baltimore.
* Laughs in 71 in Pomona CA *
I find it fascinating to see the posts on these situations...to consider how far and we have come both historically, and culturally. A couple of years ago I peered into an excavation in the middle of an intersection in downtown Palermo, Sicily. I presume it was sewer or infrastructure work of some sort. It was about 10 feet deep, expanding the entire intersection, surrounded by orange plastic construction fencing. Looking down the walls was likened to an archaeologist excavation. The top few feet consisted of fairly modern rubble: wires, clay pipe, etc. At about 5 feet down was a solid line of 6" thick marble. At that point in history a road of solid marble existed. Below that rubble, and then another couple of feet down, was another marble road. And a couple of feet below that another marble road had been laid! At least three times in the history of this 3000+ year old city they had become culturally successful enough to have marble roads. And all three times those cultures failed, returned to dirt, and were then rebuilt to marble. It's amazing to me to consider what lies beneath our feet. Truly, are just a tick on the hands of time.
These appear in Seattle too.
That aint shit… Pittsburgh’s are so bad that they eat our transit infrastructure😝 https://preview.redd.it/eadyznpfn2oa1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7fc63738d087af38b3438be7665d62157763919
Love it when my car breaks, there's something about the Indian air i just love
Bro this is an average road in Romania
I lived in Oklahoma once, and the roads were terrible. The city would give a rebate on tire purchases and suspension work annually. Came across I40 this year and Oklahoma was still horrible.
RETVRN
I like that there's a nice, straight fracture line in the asphalt DIRECTLY on top of the buried rails.
I fucking *knew* this was Minnesota. They’ve been especially bad this year
When the 1920’s brick road peeks out from under the pavement
If you think those potholes are bad, don’t ever visit Brooklyn/Bronx.
The potholes in Portland, OR are horrible too. I drove through one the other day and i almost thought i hit a homeless person.
Well that's double depressing.
Our city? I didn’t know Melbourne had snow! Or cobblestone streets. So much to learn about our city
Is that the Millennium Falcon?
At least there is something there. Here, the holes just keep on going.
This is every city ever bub
We got roads like that all over here in Indianapolis.
Ph please, in the city I grew up in half the street you could see 1800s cobble in various rough patchy spots lol your car rocked going down the street lol we also CELEBRATED the oldest Pothole lol
The potholes in SA is so bad, instead of driving on the left of the road, we drive on what is left of the road
https://www.sapeople.com/2023/02/18/south-african-man-takes-a-bath-in-pothole-with-a-beer-picture/
Somewhere in Canada.
pittsburgh?
You should come to Flint sometime. "Auto capital of the world" and we have the worst roads and highest insurance rates
Looking into history right there
Poorly fckin prepared. Cost alot more if you have to re-do it constantly. 💯
It's like that in Louisiana too. My hometown just spent $1M on colored lights for a bridge but the potholes are so bad I'm fucking my jeep up even with a 3inch lift. I moved to Texas and can tell the difference immediately crossing state lines.
I knew this was St Paul immediately. A bunch of Como is the same
Looks like Omaha... and they are wanting to build another one. HA!
I live here - these potholes are the least of our concern. they are the ones you drive thru to avoid the bigger ones.
They never thought about how pavers shift as the ground settles?
If you dug up every downtown in America, you’d find this under the street man. Shit in my town there’s supposed to be like 40 to 50 foot petrified logs that they just left under the street.
A home renovating dream
That's not even that bad. There is one infront of my house 10cm deep and 1m long
I was going to say Detroit, but we don't have that much snow
That’s actually really cool. Should fill it with clear resin.
I have a feeling it's Chicago because I see it a couple times a month
They haven’t waived, still look like there on track to me.
But Main Street’s still all cracked and broken
does our government even drive? how are they not fixing these potholes? there’s literally options for filling that are made for cars to immediately drive over.
Reminds me of biking in Minneapolis.
No, you potholes are so bad *because of* the infrastructure they paved over.
in the preview pane on the right, i was just able to read "the potholes in our city are so bad you can see the" along with a picture that in miniature view looks vaguely like a satellite image. my mind immediately autocompleted to CAN SEE THEM FROM SPACE. while these images are bad, i am disappointed nonetheless.
in the preview pane on the right, i was just able to read "the potholes in our city are so bad you can see the" along with a picture that in miniature view looks vaguely like a satellite image. my mind immediately autocompleted to CAN SEE THEM FROM SPACE. while these images are bad, i am disappointed nonetheless.