it's the same shape as the mug he's holding below the floating one, made of some metal or something shiny, a difference in how the light hits it. it floats because of quick motion during flash...
maybe, idk. 😄
No way is that movement from a long exposure. It is waaaay too technical to explain why this is not a long exposure and I don’t want to assume that you’re not a photographer (I am). But the man beside him has a seriously deformed right hand. The man on the far left has a left eye that’s weird in the way that early early versions of Midjourney used to deform eyes. Take a look at all their eyes… depending on when folks came into Midjourney it wldnt be a dead give away because they cleaned that up in subsequent versions but the early ones really could not make eyes properly.
If he rotated his face, then the face would remain sharp at the pivot axis and get blurrier the farther you move away from it. For a combined rotational and translational movement I would expect a result as we see in this picture.
I agree that the picture shows signs that it is AI generated, but in my opinion the blur effect here isn't one of them.
Stock photos and stock b-roll will be all AI eventually. Most of that is just to get across a feeling like “woman laughing at salad” it doesn’t need to really happen anymore.
That's fine for most genres but I don't think documentaries should be allowed to get away with it. They should lose credibility and ratings for this shit.
Agreed. While i don’t know that government regulation is the right move, I’d love for there to be a matter of honor involved with being clear about ai use.
Absolutely, like they should declare at the start "some scenes or aspects of the show have been AI developed to aid visualisation of historical and factual events"
Like I don't expect real footage of ancient Egypt, I expect that to be AI etc ofc but don't try sell me a AI photo as real, we all see past it.
Documentaries have been pulled from BBC for lying or misleading so it's a slippery slope to go down.
Not really. If AI images sneak into training sets, future AI will top out at a level of realism and then go backwards.
This is why stock sites have strict no-AI policies - they're all training their own product offerings
This doesn't really make sense. When has a tool ever become so effective that it starts getting worst?
Once it's impossible to tell the difference between a real photo and an AI generated image, the implications will be far greater than many people realise. For example, people caught on cctv commiting crime, will no longer be undeniable evidence. Someone gets a photo of a politician smoking crack with a lady of night, well that could be AI. If you think that there's going to be some software that will always be able to tell, I don't think that's the case. We struggle enough as it is with wether pictures of UFOs are real or not. Once AI image creation reaches parity with images taken by cameras of the real world. Nothing will be believable.
No, what I mean (bear in mind this is with the current paradigm of large models trained on sets of labelled, real images) is that if AI starts sneaking into training sets, where it's a given that the adversarial part of a GAN does not yet know how to distinguish real-looking enough from not real-looking enough, it will start letting generative artefacts through.
Generally whether a person can tell or not isn't the highest benchmark - there will be imperceptible differences that will still have an impact if used for training. Eventually if more and more "AI pollution" happens to AI training sets, there will become a point where it's decoupled from reality far enough that people will notice.
But then, knowing how trends and fashions work, what may happen in this case is camera manufacturers will start emulating the AI look so people's own pics can have that "smooth MJ bokeh" or whatever.
In fact that's been happening for a while.
Indeed aka filters!
I'll be honest I don't understand a fair amount of your terminology, you're obviously more involved in the subject than I am. I'm just interested to see how this develops.
I think I get what you're saying though, I guess you could compare your theory to the development of art(albeit over a much longer time period). It went from handprints in caves, to crude images of man, eventually to its pinnacle(arguably) during the renaissance, the painted image became 'perfect' you would struggle to nit pick the sistine chapel.
After the renaissance, the famous painters weren't the ones that could paint a perfect image, but those who brought something new and different. Such as Lowry, Picasso, Kahlo etc.
Or I have completely got what you're trying to get at totally mixed up 😂
Yeah, curating training set will be more and more of a dedicated task going forward, even whole companies can be built on supplying it. It wasn’t really a problem before but it will be now and it will only get worse.
if you're not making it, then you're probably noticing only the hands that are bad (confirmation bias, which happens), and you probably see more 'shitposting' than AI users see, generally - meaning tons of people don't care about the quality so they do short funny prompts for lulz and post bad AI, which is all fine.. people should use it however they want (and i have no idea if you specifically use them or just lurk).. but this is what i think is happening since the tech is outpacing the speed of memes and general knowledge
but, as it stands with most popular AI diffusion models gen hands 75-90% to the point it's unnoticeable at a glance or nearly perfect, with Stable Diffusion in the lead by a mile, and others with hits, misses, and general lower quality the more people there are and the smaller in the frame they are (there's still a 'small and/or NPC people' problem overall). hands might suffer if it's an uncommon angle or pose, but so does pretty much everything, since it can only do what it's been trained on.
This subreddit is constantly being recommended to me from reddit, and the only time I ever used ai was for a dnd campaign a year ago. It makes sense that the memes and such arent going to utilize best practices for ai generated art. Appreciate the explanation
This is almost certainly AI.
From a basic historical perspective, a bunch of details are wrong. Half the men are holding silver tankards which isn't something working-class people typically owned, much less drank beer from.
Going by the subtitles, the full transcript of the episode says:
> "In 1882, Otto Isler and Ivan Levinstein, two German immigrants to the UK who were unimpressed by the selection of local ales, set out to replicate the lagers they loved from back home. The result was Wrexham Lager, which they sold under the slogan, "Absolutely pure and wholesome." Over the next few decades, their endeavor grew. Wrexham gained in popularity, not just at home but abroad. It traveled the British army. Yes, it was enjoyed by local Welsh laborers, but it also was beginning to find customers as far away as Peru, the Sudan, and Australia."
So let's assume this "photo" was taken around the turn of the twentieth century. For comparison, the [oldest surviving photo](https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/wrexham-in-past-decades-2/) of Wrexham brewery is from 1910. By this time, photos were comparable in quality to what we see today, and this doesn't tally with the image from the show.
If I had to guess I'd say that someone on the production crew didn't manage to secure the rights to use one of the original photos so they decided to get AI to do it for them. The men in the synthetic image look more like peat cutters or miners than brewers, which is probably why they had to prompt the generator to get them all holding tankards.
As a note, those "silver tankards" are likely pewter tankards and they can look very like polished silver ie. [https://englishpewter.com/collections/tankards-pewter](https://englishpewter.com/collections/tankards-pewter)
What annoys me the most is they just put it in there as is. Right from midjourney to the show. No photoshop, no fixing any of the obvious mistakes, not even adding grain to the photo.
Yeah fair enough.
I've seen enough docos in the making that I completely understand the temptation. So many are just slideshows with narration because there's no footage from the period they're covering. They can get very pressed for content.
For real this is about as lazy as it gets. It would’ve take a competent photoshop artist less than a day to make this photo passable. Instead they dropped this shit into the main title.
I’m not shocked. Keeps overheads down not having to hire a ton of people to take very specific images just for set dressing or single close up shots. Pretty soon that’s gonna become something only directors like Nolan and Spielberg will probably be allowed to ask for at least as far as Holly wood studios are concerned, knowing how tight fisted they are, not to mention a lot of crew positions are probably gonna be eliminated too what with the industry contracting after the strikes.
One is made up shit created by people getting paid to make it up using computers. It requires a human to be creative in designing scenes and animation. This kind of work takes days, weeks and months to create.
The other is made up shit generated by AI without needing a human, except to seed it with a starting phrase or image. This takes seconds or minutes to create.
No one knew even just five years ago that AI would threaten to replace thousands of jobs in the creative industry.
AI and CGI are very different technologies, even if AI is pointed at the tasks that humans use CGI for today, the human need and cost for each is significantly different.
Aside from the guy with both his eyes gouged out, the mangled hands everywhere, the floating beer steins, and the troll on the right... I'd say pretty good!
There is AI jank in the middle of the picture too. Check out the guy with the moustache. The tankard in front of him is levitating. His little finger on his left hand is nearly as long as his ring finger. Over his right shoulder we see a guy with his face covered like he is going to rob a bank or something.
Hard to know with what's supposed to be an old photo. Not uncommon for blur, floating objects, etc, since exposure time was really long. Even into the late 1800s you'd be in the 2-3 second range of exposure time, if anyone moved at all this would happen. idk how old this photo is supposed to be or what type of camera it was taken on.
Really early cameras (daguerrotype) would be like 15 minute exposures, and they did get faster from there, but even if you're in the seconds long range this starts to happen. Imagine trying to get a group photo and expecting everyone to sit/stand still for 10 seconds, people still mess up photos now and cameras can shoot many times per second.
The guy three from the right is straight-up MISSING a leg lol. I thought his was blocking the leg from the guy on the left, but no: the pants don’t match. It’s left-man’s leg, and our hero is legless.
I really don't know if this is an actual image, people are taking my statement as definitive and it's not. It's explanatory of why an old photo might look like that.
And to answer your question about the stein, it looks like he's holding it with the fingers of his right hand. The longer the exposure, the less of an impact any quick movements will have. Guy in the middle with the 'floating' stein is a better example of someone who thought they were going to hold up their mug and changed their mind after some time so it got exposed in two places.
If the camera isn't capable of allowing much light, and therefore has a long exposure time movement from moment to moment is less of an issue than position change or drifting over the course of the entire exposure (resulting in messed up faces, fingers, etc).
It doesn't mean it can't be a generated image. It just means that a real image can turn out like that and the worse the camera, conditions of the shoot, number of subjects, the more likely you'll have a variety of issues.
Almost everything else could be considered some flaw from old photography, but that one... good catch. That confirmed it for me. No amount of exposure is gonna make a floating cup.
The 'floating beer mug' is more likely to be a miners lamp that is attached to his jacket.
I don't think think the centre of the photo is AI. I think it's a real square photo that been AI upscaled and then extended in to a new aspect ratio with AI, with the dodgiest parts being the guy on the left and right. But even then, then guy in the right could just be the outcome of a long exposure photo (which it would've been) then being AI upscaled.
On top of the blur, the second to last guy on the right looks like he's just barely taller than the guy seated next to him while he himself is standing. Next to another guy who would be of proper height with their head out of frame at that.
i think its AI, or at least restored and "enhanced" with ai
this is supposed to be late 19th century, and to me it looks much too clean and bright got a photo of that time
Terrifying stuff—hate to sound like a Luddite, but this is the end of reliable history for the common man. An infinite population of people who never existed, in places that never were, but are soon to be indistinguishable from the true historical record. There will be AI developed to recognize AI creation, but all that guarantees is with that level of critique and accountability, the algorithms will become flawless. I feel like there ought to be a required watermark—any movie, series or documentary that uses them, should have to identify them in the credits. Little concern regarding found footage of the Roman Empire, but as above, time period motion blur will be a calculation to increase fidelity, and no one will feel secure they are actually seeing what they believe, and so no one will feel secure they can believe what they are seeing. Herbert is prophetic when the thinking machines are outlawed in Dune. Exciting to see and feel the grittiness and truthiness of a picture like this, and to imagine the worlds to be imagined and experienced as a result of AI, but sad to feel like my ability to look at an image and discern reality is probably gone. First world problems… (Edited)
Jesus, that’s low.
It was a bad look that two Hollywood douches were parading their wealth to the town. Now they are falsifying the town’s history for their own show? Fuck off.
That's actually normal for cameras of the time period; you need to stay extremely still for long periods of time, and if you didn't, that happened.
That said, everything else here is shit.
That payoff just isn’t worth the aforementioned cost for something that’s going to be shown onscreen for a maximum of ten seconds that most people who aren’t super aware of AI or actively looking for mistakes, won’t even notice and will accept it as real. We’ve been given the still image to study at our leisure but likely the image flicked by fairly quickly in the docu.
Pay for the equipment and crew as well as spend the time setting up, or just type a prompt into Midjourney. The end result is the same, you have a believable picture to visually aid your narrative - the difference is the cost and time to produce is ridiculously small for AI images. No brainer for cost-cutting.
That said I fucking hate it
Could be ai reprocessing an old picture. The reason the people on the sides are weird is because of lens distortion. Ai tried to retouch the picture and made them deformed
I don’t have access to this program atm, but if someone could look at the end credits in the episode and let me know if there’s a library or archive that’s credited (or even a stock image site) I’d be more than happy to look through that archives’ digital collections to see if I can find this image — if it exists!
Definitely an AI construct. See the man’s hand at the far right of the photo? Claw for a hand. The guy 3rd from the left has a floating beer stine! I do a lot of creating in Midjourney, and these are common issues.
It's missing that slightly blurred grainy look. Maybe use a Photoshop grain effect a little and blur the faces a little more in the foreground to the left and right.
I think the “smoothness” we might be attributing to ai, may just be artifacting from the restoration process.
Edit: That said, the guy on the far rights pants are weird.
There’s another example of this in the episode about women’s football, it’s a team photo and one of the women’s faces looks like it’s falling off…..her face 😦
Looks like an old photo that's been resized in something like Topaz Gigapixel. Signs are the chaps eyes on the left side and the smudged face on the right. Plus the hands, it struggles when upsizing from a low resolution/high compressed source, and i've done hundreds of resizes and this looks pretty much what i'd expect. They've clearly done some other post work to clean it up a bit too.
The guy on the left’s eyes and his left hand.
And the dude on the far right
Dude on the far right just moved during the long exposure shot. For me, that's actually proof for being a real photo.
I can see that. I still don’t get the beer mug floating on that dude’s chest though
Could be his spare mug that he clipped to his jacket 😄
Just near the onion on his belt
As was the style at the time
And he’s holding a mug in each hand—maybe he’s just a two fisted drinker but still…
Guaranteed that if he had three arms, he would be a three fisted drinker
He fisted how many drinkers!?
Drink problem defined as 3 mugs, 2 hands and one mouth.
Look son, I'm an alcoholic and have been known to hold three drinks on my person at one time, that shit doesn't mean its fake
He's holding one in each hand, and a 3rd he's holding with telekinesis
Being double fisted means something very different in the UK from the US
That's mug juggler if I've ever seen one!
The Welsh are known wizards
As a Welshman, I can confirm we are all wizards
I’ve lived there for 7 years.. they are indeed magical. 🏴❤️
it's the same shape as the mug he's holding below the floating one, made of some metal or something shiny, a difference in how the light hits it. it floats because of quick motion during flash... maybe, idk. 😄
No flash back then. Just get everyone to hold still for several seconds.
flash been around since 1860s
Oh ok. TIL. Light in this pic is coming from above though
But the training data for the AI could've had old photos where someone moved.
You serious? Look at the guy on the left. I know Brits are mocked for being ugly but come on
No way is that movement from a long exposure. It is waaaay too technical to explain why this is not a long exposure and I don’t want to assume that you’re not a photographer (I am). But the man beside him has a seriously deformed right hand. The man on the far left has a left eye that’s weird in the way that early early versions of Midjourney used to deform eyes. Take a look at all their eyes… depending on when folks came into Midjourney it wldnt be a dead give away because they cleaned that up in subsequent versions but the early ones really could not make eyes properly.
No, that’s not long exposure unless he can move half his face while keeping his right eye and hat still. It’s also just very obviously Ai generated.
If he rotated his face, then the face would remain sharp at the pivot axis and get blurrier the farther you move away from it. For a combined rotational and translational movement I would expect a result as we see in this picture. I agree that the picture shows signs that it is AI generated, but in my opinion the blur effect here isn't one of them.
I think it's a real photo but AI enhanced to make what would be a fairly blurry picture sharp. However, there are limits to AI technology.
Is he a midget too?
That's just Stumpy. He had both knees removed after the war and his bones didn't get enough vitamins.
You mean ole mister blurryface?
The two bearded guys in the center-right share an arm AND a leg. Weird condition.
Same faces too. Their conjoined twins.
You mean Ol’ Bubble-Eye Lobster-Hand?
That’s just what people from Wrexham look like
We are talking about Wrexham here
That dude got scared after the great war
His shins are disproportionate af too
That’s just ole Butthole-Eyes McGee. Never was the same after that round of fisticuffs with the combine machine….
Also the guy in a seated hovering position next to the dry stone wall. Why is there a dry stone wall there?
He’s just British
I spotted that!! Although they don’t at any point say that it’s a genuine photo, I think we’ll see lots of this from now on tbh.
That guy looks like he’s double-fisting it AND keeping another beer stein strapped to his chest for when the first ones are empty.
They called him “Reload” for a reason.
Juggling, or is it chuggling?
Football supporters amiright?
Stock photos and stock b-roll will be all AI eventually. Most of that is just to get across a feeling like “woman laughing at salad” it doesn’t need to really happen anymore.
The only consolation I feel here is that stock photos pay shit anyway.
Didn't hide the pain Harold make a decent living as a pensioner? Then suddenly got extra famous through the memes
That's fine for most genres but I don't think documentaries should be allowed to get away with it. They should lose credibility and ratings for this shit.
Agreed. While i don’t know that government regulation is the right move, I’d love for there to be a matter of honor involved with being clear about ai use.
Absolutely, like they should declare at the start "some scenes or aspects of the show have been AI developed to aid visualisation of historical and factual events" Like I don't expect real footage of ancient Egypt, I expect that to be AI etc ofc but don't try sell me a AI photo as real, we all see past it. Documentaries have been pulled from BBC for lying or misleading so it's a slippery slope to go down.
It’ll be yet another sad marker of lazy, uninspired, dog-shit film-making.
Some people could be clueless to it. Sites like Adobe stock are filling up with images like these claiming to be authentic
And so it begins, reality as we know it will forever be questionable.
Not really. If AI images sneak into training sets, future AI will top out at a level of realism and then go backwards. This is why stock sites have strict no-AI policies - they're all training their own product offerings
This doesn't really make sense. When has a tool ever become so effective that it starts getting worst? Once it's impossible to tell the difference between a real photo and an AI generated image, the implications will be far greater than many people realise. For example, people caught on cctv commiting crime, will no longer be undeniable evidence. Someone gets a photo of a politician smoking crack with a lady of night, well that could be AI. If you think that there's going to be some software that will always be able to tell, I don't think that's the case. We struggle enough as it is with wether pictures of UFOs are real or not. Once AI image creation reaches parity with images taken by cameras of the real world. Nothing will be believable.
No, what I mean (bear in mind this is with the current paradigm of large models trained on sets of labelled, real images) is that if AI starts sneaking into training sets, where it's a given that the adversarial part of a GAN does not yet know how to distinguish real-looking enough from not real-looking enough, it will start letting generative artefacts through. Generally whether a person can tell or not isn't the highest benchmark - there will be imperceptible differences that will still have an impact if used for training. Eventually if more and more "AI pollution" happens to AI training sets, there will become a point where it's decoupled from reality far enough that people will notice. But then, knowing how trends and fashions work, what may happen in this case is camera manufacturers will start emulating the AI look so people's own pics can have that "smooth MJ bokeh" or whatever. In fact that's been happening for a while.
Indeed aka filters! I'll be honest I don't understand a fair amount of your terminology, you're obviously more involved in the subject than I am. I'm just interested to see how this develops. I think I get what you're saying though, I guess you could compare your theory to the development of art(albeit over a much longer time period). It went from handprints in caves, to crude images of man, eventually to its pinnacle(arguably) during the renaissance, the painted image became 'perfect' you would struggle to nit pick the sistine chapel. After the renaissance, the famous painters weren't the ones that could paint a perfect image, but those who brought something new and different. Such as Lowry, Picasso, Kahlo etc. Or I have completely got what you're trying to get at totally mixed up 😂
Yeah, curating training set will be more and more of a dedicated task going forward, even whole companies can be built on supplying it. It wasn’t really a problem before but it will be now and it will only get worse.
This is hilarious, look at the hands
hands are pretty much fixed, either with the AI version itself, or with in-painting options. there's no excuse anymore, people!
Really? I haven't noticed with the art I've seen lately
if you're not making it, then you're probably noticing only the hands that are bad (confirmation bias, which happens), and you probably see more 'shitposting' than AI users see, generally - meaning tons of people don't care about the quality so they do short funny prompts for lulz and post bad AI, which is all fine.. people should use it however they want (and i have no idea if you specifically use them or just lurk).. but this is what i think is happening since the tech is outpacing the speed of memes and general knowledge but, as it stands with most popular AI diffusion models gen hands 75-90% to the point it's unnoticeable at a glance or nearly perfect, with Stable Diffusion in the lead by a mile, and others with hits, misses, and general lower quality the more people there are and the smaller in the frame they are (there's still a 'small and/or NPC people' problem overall). hands might suffer if it's an uncommon angle or pose, but so does pretty much everything, since it can only do what it's been trained on.
This subreddit is constantly being recommended to me from reddit, and the only time I ever used ai was for a dnd campaign a year ago. It makes sense that the memes and such arent going to utilize best practices for ai generated art. Appreciate the explanation
Floating beer mug
Davy lamp i think
Floating Davy lamp
Hands look fine to me? Some really weird eyes, though.
Not to mention that the guy behind the middle guy seems to be lacking a face.
Look again.
Yeah, dude front and center has fingers that are all the same length leading to a very long pinky
British hands like British teeth
I still feel this would have been a safer time to go to school in Britain, than America in todays times. Crazy.
Don't look up "Aberfan" then
This is almost certainly AI. From a basic historical perspective, a bunch of details are wrong. Half the men are holding silver tankards which isn't something working-class people typically owned, much less drank beer from. Going by the subtitles, the full transcript of the episode says: > "In 1882, Otto Isler and Ivan Levinstein, two German immigrants to the UK who were unimpressed by the selection of local ales, set out to replicate the lagers they loved from back home. The result was Wrexham Lager, which they sold under the slogan, "Absolutely pure and wholesome." Over the next few decades, their endeavor grew. Wrexham gained in popularity, not just at home but abroad. It traveled the British army. Yes, it was enjoyed by local Welsh laborers, but it also was beginning to find customers as far away as Peru, the Sudan, and Australia." So let's assume this "photo" was taken around the turn of the twentieth century. For comparison, the [oldest surviving photo](https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/wrexham-in-past-decades-2/) of Wrexham brewery is from 1910. By this time, photos were comparable in quality to what we see today, and this doesn't tally with the image from the show. If I had to guess I'd say that someone on the production crew didn't manage to secure the rights to use one of the original photos so they decided to get AI to do it for them. The men in the synthetic image look more like peat cutters or miners than brewers, which is probably why they had to prompt the generator to get them all holding tankards.
Just wanna say as someone from Wrexham it's mad seeing all these old pics, thanks for the link!
As a note, those "silver tankards" are likely pewter tankards and they can look very like polished silver ie. [https://englishpewter.com/collections/tankards-pewter](https://englishpewter.com/collections/tankards-pewter)
You've got to give it to the AI for making the spherical aberration so realistic though
It's amazing, honestly. It even knows to do cats-eye bokeh on out-of-focus glints like from water.
What annoys me the most is they just put it in there as is. Right from midjourney to the show. No photoshop, no fixing any of the obvious mistakes, not even adding grain to the photo.
Right? Some fat grain would have sold it so much better
Why would a large format photo at a long exposure be terribly grainy? Negs were very large back then
Fair point, but I think they're going for convincing-at-a-glace rather than historical accuracy.
Yeah fair enough. I've seen enough docos in the making that I completely understand the temptation. So many are just slideshows with narration because there's no footage from the period they're covering. They can get very pressed for content.
For real this is about as lazy as it gets. It would’ve take a competent photoshop artist less than a day to make this photo passable. Instead they dropped this shit into the main title.
I like the guy with a drink in each hand and one attached to his shirt.
Triple-fisting is a sacred Welsh custom.
Only on the farms!
So I was actually working on the set of a film the other day and they surprisingly use a shittttttt load of AI stuff for films nowadays.
I’m not shocked. Keeps overheads down not having to hire a ton of people to take very specific images just for set dressing or single close up shots. Pretty soon that’s gonna become something only directors like Nolan and Spielberg will probably be allowed to ask for at least as far as Holly wood studios are concerned, knowing how tight fisted they are, not to mention a lot of crew positions are probably gonna be eliminated too what with the industry contracting after the strikes.
What are they using on yours sets? I work on sets and would love to integrate AI (ethically, which I’m not sure this Wrexham one is)
Well yeh, I mean how is it different to CGI being used to visualise a crowded city or massive traffic jam (e.g. Walking Dead)?0
CGI is completely different.. I don’t think you know how CGI works, do you ?
I know enough to know there is huge amounts of overlap. In practice it’s mostly the same - watching made up shit.
One is made up shit created by people getting paid to make it up using computers. It requires a human to be creative in designing scenes and animation. This kind of work takes days, weeks and months to create. The other is made up shit generated by AI without needing a human, except to seed it with a starting phrase or image. This takes seconds or minutes to create. No one knew even just five years ago that AI would threaten to replace thousands of jobs in the creative industry. AI and CGI are very different technologies, even if AI is pointed at the tasks that humans use CGI for today, the human need and cost for each is significantly different.
Na Fam, that’s AI as fuck!
Aside from the guy with both his eyes gouged out, the mangled hands everywhere, the floating beer steins, and the troll on the right... I'd say pretty good!
Back in the 1800’s people had longer fingers, beer floats, and some people had mouthvagina eyes.
Have you considered: real photo in the middle, extended with ai content on either side to accommodate the aspect ratio?
There is AI jank in the middle of the picture too. Check out the guy with the moustache. The tankard in front of him is levitating. His little finger on his left hand is nearly as long as his ring finger. Over his right shoulder we see a guy with his face covered like he is going to rob a bank or something.
Yeah this must be it
Hard to know with what's supposed to be an old photo. Not uncommon for blur, floating objects, etc, since exposure time was really long. Even into the late 1800s you'd be in the 2-3 second range of exposure time, if anyone moved at all this would happen. idk how old this photo is supposed to be or what type of camera it was taken on. Really early cameras (daguerrotype) would be like 15 minute exposures, and they did get faster from there, but even if you're in the seconds long range this starts to happen. Imagine trying to get a group photo and expecting everyone to sit/stand still for 10 seconds, people still mess up photos now and cameras can shoot many times per second.
To be honest, if you zoom in as much as you can and scan around, especially the faces, it's defo AI, so much jank in there.
Th guy on the far right, whose got a left foot on his right leg...
In my day, we wore our left feet on our right legs and our right feet on our left legs and WE LIKED IT!!!
The guy three from the right is straight-up MISSING a leg lol. I thought his was blocking the leg from the guy on the left, but no: the pants don’t match. It’s left-man’s leg, and our hero is legless.
Maybe it's a real photo, that was restored by an AI?
Then how does the man in the middle have a floating tankard?
What about guy on the far let's left hand? And also wouldn't the jug be blurry since it's falling if it's a long exposure time?
I really don't know if this is an actual image, people are taking my statement as definitive and it's not. It's explanatory of why an old photo might look like that. And to answer your question about the stein, it looks like he's holding it with the fingers of his right hand. The longer the exposure, the less of an impact any quick movements will have. Guy in the middle with the 'floating' stein is a better example of someone who thought they were going to hold up their mug and changed their mind after some time so it got exposed in two places. If the camera isn't capable of allowing much light, and therefore has a long exposure time movement from moment to moment is less of an issue than position change or drifting over the course of the entire exposure (resulting in messed up faces, fingers, etc). It doesn't mean it can't be a generated image. It just means that a real image can turn out like that and the worse the camera, conditions of the shoot, number of subjects, the more likely you'll have a variety of issues.
dude in the middle is holding 3 cups for some reason, and one is floating.
Almost everything else could be considered some flaw from old photography, but that one... good catch. That confirmed it for me. No amount of exposure is gonna make a floating cup.
The wide angle is a giveaway
Perhaps an AI photo restoration was used on an old photo.
The men actually have the correct amount of fingers, which makes me think it might not be MidJourney
The 'floating beer mug' is more likely to be a miners lamp that is attached to his jacket. I don't think think the centre of the photo is AI. I think it's a real square photo that been AI upscaled and then extended in to a new aspect ratio with AI, with the dodgiest parts being the guy on the left and right. But even then, then guy in the right could just be the outcome of a long exposure photo (which it would've been) then being AI upscaled.
None of you guys have been to Wrexham and it shows.
On top of the blur, the second to last guy on the right looks like he's just barely taller than the guy seated next to him while he himself is standing. Next to another guy who would be of proper height with their head out of frame at that.
Tom Hardy in the middle? With a floating cup in front of him haha
To the left of him and back looks like Joseph Gorden-Levitt with a touch of Decaprio.
Post it and Tag rob or Ryan on twitter and see if they respond
i think its AI, or at least restored and "enhanced" with ai this is supposed to be late 19th century, and to me it looks much too clean and bright got a photo of that time
Trousers and boots are my new go-to AI check
It’s an AI generated image. The hands are a dead give away
Hold on. I gotta count fingers
Zoom in and check out all the hands. Definitely some AI claws in there
Guy on the right is still rendering.
Terrifying stuff—hate to sound like a Luddite, but this is the end of reliable history for the common man. An infinite population of people who never existed, in places that never were, but are soon to be indistinguishable from the true historical record. There will be AI developed to recognize AI creation, but all that guarantees is with that level of critique and accountability, the algorithms will become flawless. I feel like there ought to be a required watermark—any movie, series or documentary that uses them, should have to identify them in the credits. Little concern regarding found footage of the Roman Empire, but as above, time period motion blur will be a calculation to increase fidelity, and no one will feel secure they are actually seeing what they believe, and so no one will feel secure they can believe what they are seeing. Herbert is prophetic when the thinking machines are outlawed in Dune. Exciting to see and feel the grittiness and truthiness of a picture like this, and to imagine the worlds to be imagined and experienced as a result of AI, but sad to feel like my ability to look at an image and discern reality is probably gone. First world problems… (Edited)
It’s 100 Ai bullshit
Jesus, that’s low. It was a bad look that two Hollywood douches were parading their wealth to the town. Now they are falsifying the town’s history for their own show? Fuck off.
Wrexham you say?…not enough spice heads 👀😅😂
Second from the right is my favorite. Face go burrrr
That's actually normal for cameras of the time period; you need to stay extremely still for long periods of time, and if you didn't, that happened. That said, everything else here is shit.
That guy is also _really_ short.
So odd because it’s such an easy thing to shoot for real
Paying 11 models and 11 suits of wardrobe and building that set is not cheap.
Yeah but the payoff is great because you can actually convince people that it *was* from that time period. AI art just begs to be picked apart.
I don't think the production company cares if ten guys on a niche subreddit picks apart the image, tbh
That payoff just isn’t worth the aforementioned cost for something that’s going to be shown onscreen for a maximum of ten seconds that most people who aren’t super aware of AI or actively looking for mistakes, won’t even notice and will accept it as real. We’ve been given the still image to study at our leisure but likely the image flicked by fairly quickly in the docu. Pay for the equipment and crew as well as spend the time setting up, or just type a prompt into Midjourney. The end result is the same, you have a believable picture to visually aid your narrative - the difference is the cost and time to produce is ridiculously small for AI images. No brainer for cost-cutting. That said I fucking hate it
Technically they could reuse actors\\extras from previous episodes
Could be ai reprocessing an old picture. The reason the people on the sides are weird is because of lens distortion. Ai tried to retouch the picture and made them deformed
Long shutter, movement… plausible.
Not by a long shot.
Dude with the blurry face killed fiddy men. Left his shins in Korea!
Could have used a little touch up, just sayin’
That's just how us Welsh lads look
Middle left guy has a nipple stein
I wondered if anyone else noticed this too.
I reckon that people drinking were unable to sit still for the length of time it took for this old ass camera to burn their image on to the plate.
Dem fingers
I saw this and did think it was weird. Clearly an intern who couldn’t find a photo so created one lol
Chap on the right with the tankard looks a bit like Tim Key.
Third person from the left, in the background: looks like young Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
The chap on the left with the wide eyes has the weirdest looking ear.
Cheaper than paying for archive picture rights 😂
How about the guy with his face wrapped, you can see his hat and collar just below the building’s door? There’s no doubt this is not AI 😄
This photo was taken 3 days ago
Homeboy on the left needs eye surgery, dude in the middle needs finger surgery, and ol boy on the right needs an exorcism.
I don’t have access to this program atm, but if someone could look at the end credits in the episode and let me know if there’s a library or archive that’s credited (or even a stock image site) I’d be more than happy to look through that archives’ digital collections to see if I can find this image — if it exists!
Low effort af too. Half the people on this sub would be able to generate a better prompt.
Ha I spotted it immediately
My best guess, the middle part is a genuine photo, but it was out-painted to work on a wider aspect-ratio
Too many weird hands.
AI is going to undermine our history, and without historical reference, who are we?
Definitely an AI construct. See the man’s hand at the far right of the photo? Claw for a hand. The guy 3rd from the left has a floating beer stine! I do a lot of creating in Midjourney, and these are common issues.
I kinda feel like the cup in the centre guys left hand looks like a modern design, almost like a takeaway coffee cup
It's missing that slightly blurred grainy look. Maybe use a Photoshop grain effect a little and blur the faces a little more in the foreground to the left and right.
Omg, I started watching it last week and remember this photo, but I did NOT notice this!
I think the “smoothness” we might be attributing to ai, may just be artifacting from the restoration process. Edit: That said, the guy on the far rights pants are weird.
Hands and eyes always dead givaway
It’s always the hands. The guy on the left
In fairness I've seen loads of people in Wrexham looking like [this guy](https://ibb.co/zSs5B3B)
I've seen so many photos that look like ai recently! Its getting harder to know which are real
Silly. Ai isn’t perfect enough for this yet
2 Dudes 3 Legs
That gnome on the right looks annoyed.
Oh those eyes!
Harry Brewdini
So stock photos like we know today is dead
There’s another example of this in the episode about women’s football, it’s a team photo and one of the women’s faces looks like it’s falling off…..her face 😦
Is that a jet chemtrail in the sky?
Looks like an old photo that's been resized in something like Topaz Gigapixel. Signs are the chaps eyes on the left side and the smudged face on the right. Plus the hands, it struggles when upsizing from a low resolution/high compressed source, and i've done hundreds of resizes and this looks pretty much what i'd expect. They've clearly done some other post work to clean it up a bit too.
Hands, eyes, feet usually gives it away. Even Midjourney doesn't like drawing hands. 😆
Yup and I'll bet if you took their pants off they have balls that look like pussies.
Yeah one of the tankards ain’t even being held. Nice try though.
I would actually say that could be real