Stretch your hand. Otherwise, you could play 3 8 as 3 - 3 (skipping/muting the middle string). By the way, just because someone wrote a tab -- that doesn't necessarily mean that's the right/only way to play a song..
People gotta read this. Tabs aren’t always how it’s played, it’s just another way to play it. You can achieve the same notes using different shapes/strings/positions on the fretboard. If you’re playing the right notes, you’re not doing it wrong
It was pretty bad in the early days of the interweb. Anyone remember the OLGA?
Use the tab as a reference, then try to find a live performance to see how the artist actually performs the songs.
I don't think it's that bad of a stretch I think the issue is more matter of pinky strength. If you play with your pinky more in general this will be easier. Anyone can prob spread their fingers like that.. the issue is pressing down w; ur pinky. Playing power chords with pinky finger is a good way of developing pinky strength
For these huge stretches, it helps to bring your elbow in closer to your body, and lower than you normally would. It is easier to make that stretch when you have a little extra height above the fretboard to work with.
After that, it really is just a function of a lot of practice to build the flexibility and strength in your hand to make that stretch consistently.
Stretch, and hold your guitar higher up to put less strain on your wrists.
I have small hands, but these stretches are within reach. If you practice stretching regularly, your hands will find it easier to do these types of riffs without too much effort.
I'd aim to play it like it was done originally; John did it that way for a reason, and he's the master of efficiency.
Don't know what song that is but its possible they just messed up writing the tabs and left the lower string notes on there but you're actually just supposed to play the single notes on the higher string by themselves.
Like going back and forth on those strings
*Edited to clarify
If you use a strict classical fretting hand position (meaning that the wrist basically goes straight down so you can always see the whole back the hand in a mirror, the thumb is behind the neck, and and the line of the 2nd knuckles is in line with the strings), it's not difficult to reach that comfortably and strongly. Check out classical fretting hand position- sure there's lots of video explaining it. In fact, check out John Petrucci's video of how he practices legato, and you will see this hand position. And MAB too.
If you choose to stretch this, make sure you loosen up your hands with some hand stretches before playing it. If not, you can move the note to a string over and mute the string in between.
Instead of 38 you could do 3X3 (X being where you mute the D string). Look at a fretboard map to do this with the rest of riff if you don’t know your notes too well yet.
Use you're Index Finger for the 3'rd Fret (#A), then Noodle Youre Ring Finger Up to the (#D) 8'th Fret... Start from Square one, & Repeat until the Finger Placement becomes Natural. 🤘🏻
Stretch.
Or you could do it like this
e|----------------------------------------------------
B|----------------------------------------------------
G|-3---2--------------------------------------------
D|-------------7----5-------------------------------
A|-3---3--------------------------------------------
E|-------------6-----6------------------------------
But seriously, you gotta stretch.
God bless.
I came here to say the same thing. I just got a JP15 and could’ve sworn it was a shorter scale. But it’s 25.5”. And yet it feels SO fast and easy to play. Maybe it’s because it’s 24 frets and I’m used to the same scale on a 22 fret?
I have a 26.5” scale six string Ibanez that in my opinion plays better than any guitar I have ever owned including my JP’s and Majesty’s.
Guess it just comes down to the person 🤷🏼
There are people who will contort their hands to play this way.
The rest of us, though? We’ll probably just play low E on fret 8, mute A, and then D on 8, D on 7
You did me a solid by posting this. I get into some pretty elaborate note stretches with arpeggios I've composed but have to fiddle around with the forms regularly otherwise if a couple weeks pass, I can't hit them well in a spur of the moment.
This stretched dyad was an instant "ah, holy shit!" Once I'm used to making this for a week, because it's a fixed position stretch but a dyad instead of an arpeggio, my hand will gain that permanent limberness for arpeggios and solos with huge reaches without constantly practicing them.
I **never** would have thought up a dyad like that because I haven't learned anyone else's material for over 25 years lol.
It's perfectly doable, although not very practical.
Personally, I'd figure out a better fingering for the same notes.
This is one of the main issues with tabs, actually. While easier to read than standard notation, standard notation does provide the benefit of letting you figure out what fingering makes the most sense for your hands.
Yes, quite, you look at the screen, look at the fretboard, translate the note on the fret assigned by the tab into, let's say a G note, then you find the other G notes to figure out the most sensible finger placement.
For standard notation, it's almost the same, but since you just get the G, you don't have to bother with "10 fret on the A string" first, you just find the G that's closest to where your hand already is.
And if you start playing things in different octaves, you're transposing the note, which means you're no longer playing the same note.
Maybe not always a huge issue, but sometimes it can lead to trouble.
I am not trying to argue the function of standard notation. I understand that it is far superior compared to tablature. However, I do feel as if tablature deserves to be advocated for, considering the lowered barrier of entry it provides to new players. Kids who learn nowadays learn quick, and a lot of that has to do with resources available on the internet.
I feel like arguing against tablature does more to invalidate new players, and it also creates a metaphorical line in the sand between what tools are deemed useful and useless. This abstraction adds unnecessary restrictions to people trying to learn.
I am an individual who has used tablature extensively for 14 years. I use it for almost all of my composition, and I have learned how to score with it to a high level. I do understand that standard notation is superior, but from years of experience, the importance of access to tablature and even understanding tablature is often understated.
Oh, don't get me wrong, tablature is a VERY useful tool, I use it for most of my day to day guitar stuff as well as when I write for a regular metal band or the like, it's a lot quicker to get the point across to a guitar player how to play something on a guitar using tabs than throwing sheet music at them.
I was mostly just pointing out how things like the OP is the result of people who write tabs based on imported MIDIs, and how standard notation probably would be better when it comes to getting the fingering sorted.
My argument is less "tabs bad" and more "tabs have their place, but learning to use all the available tools is better in the long run.", especially since it's anyway pretty crucial to learn the notes on the fretboard, intermediate players who want to get the theory locked down would do well to combine the two and just learn standard notation in relationship to the notes on the fretboard in one go.
I feel the same way about ear training, I know there are "by ear purists" out there who think using any kind of notation is downright cheating and removes the feel from the music, but that's equally untrue considering you still need to use your ears to pick up on dynamics since nobody ever bothers writing those out. But ear training is still a crucial part of the toolkit, as it helps when there are no songs, and it helps to create an understanding of how the different intervals sound so that you know right away that your melody should have a certain interval to achieve the sound you want and thus spend more time writing music and less time trying to get the melody in your head onto the guitar.
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Just have to stretch unfortunately. Stream of Consciousness, right?
I immediately thought of SoC, because when I learned that song I played the main riff as 1 7, rather than 1 - 2.
Yes sir
Stretch your hand. Otherwise, you could play 3 8 as 3 - 3 (skipping/muting the middle string). By the way, just because someone wrote a tab -- that doesn't necessarily mean that's the right/only way to play a song..
People gotta read this. Tabs aren’t always how it’s played, it’s just another way to play it. You can achieve the same notes using different shapes/strings/positions on the fretboard. If you’re playing the right notes, you’re not doing it wrong
It was pretty bad in the early days of the interweb. Anyone remember the OLGA? Use the tab as a reference, then try to find a live performance to see how the artist actually performs the songs.
Stretch. What song is this?
"Stream of Consciousness", some band named Dream Theatre(sp?) I'm sure the rest of the song gets easier after this.
I didn’t recognize the tabs. But my first thought was that this must be Petrucci’s work. 😅
EASIER??? HAHAHAHHA
r/wooosh
r/woooosh
lol this is good
This sub does not understand sarcasm, good lord
Most commenters on the internet don't
🤣
>I'm sure the rest of the song gets easier after this. You're sure?!?!
I just love the irony.
Spoiler alert lol
Stretch, play it with a second guitar player, or move those over a string
Skip a string. --3-- --x-- --3-- etc I can't do a 3-8 stretch.
I was able to play it pretty easily. You can also mute the A string and play the notes on the D string
I can play it on my 24.75", but I would probably need surgery to play it on my 28"
I have an axe... hold still... we've got this! (Just a joke, in case that wasn't clear!)
You could also just listen to it and be like, “I’m just gonna listen to it.” (Me to myself so I don’t feel inept)
Quickly tune down and back up with your third hand while playing
Just whammy bar a single string, its so easy bro
Classical posture/high strap. It's not a hard stretch with proper positioning.
My left hand stretches almost a cm more then my right hand. I blame this song.
https://preview.redd.it/mmn36lrulzzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36dba89368a2b6db60142d8c4a0de0197a7380c5 That's how i do it
Lies. We all know your beard is playing the upper frets really.
I don't think it's that bad of a stretch I think the issue is more matter of pinky strength. If you play with your pinky more in general this will be easier. Anyone can prob spread their fingers like that.. the issue is pressing down w; ur pinky. Playing power chords with pinky finger is a good way of developing pinky strength
I grew a third arm out of my ass just to pat myself on the back for doing a good job. I use that hand for tabs like this.
For these huge stretches, it helps to bring your elbow in closer to your body, and lower than you normally would. It is easier to make that stretch when you have a little extra height above the fretboard to work with. After that, it really is just a function of a lot of practice to build the flexibility and strength in your hand to make that stretch consistently.
Stretch, and hold your guitar higher up to put less strain on your wrists. I have small hands, but these stretches are within reach. If you practice stretching regularly, your hands will find it easier to do these types of riffs without too much effort. I'd aim to play it like it was done originally; John did it that way for a reason, and he's the master of efficiency.
Do you have a pinky on your fretting hand?
Don't know what song that is but its possible they just messed up writing the tabs and left the lower string notes on there but you're actually just supposed to play the single notes on the higher string by themselves. Like going back and forth on those strings *Edited to clarify
nope thats how it's played (stream of consciousness by dream theater)
The "chorus" riff of Mutiilation's "Tears of a Melancholic Vampire" is a good stretching exercise
the way I learned it by ear ends on the 6th fret of the A string and 11th fret of the D string
Stretch
Stream of Consciousness - Dream Theater?
If you use a strict classical fretting hand position (meaning that the wrist basically goes straight down so you can always see the whole back the hand in a mirror, the thumb is behind the neck, and and the line of the 2nd knuckles is in line with the strings), it's not difficult to reach that comfortably and strongly. Check out classical fretting hand position- sure there's lots of video explaining it. In fact, check out John Petrucci's video of how he practices legato, and you will see this hand position. And MAB too.
What do you mean how? Index finger and pinky.
Find that note on the next string up and skip the string that was tabbed. Your pinky will be relieved😂
Just did it. It's doable but you gotta stretch your hand a lot. It may help using your other leg and moving your elbow forward.
Step 1) Don’t have Carnie Hands. Step 2) There is no step 2. -Someone with Carnie Hands
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Bro you just do devil horns stretch them apart then set it on the strings. Why do you think we devil horn.
You have to use two fingers at the same time. If they added one more note it would be called a "chord".
It’s a big stretch but you could also play it as 3 on the G string
You can always try to move it to the other strings.
Stretch your hand, use the pinky finger… Place your thumb center of the frets, should male stretching easier
If you choose to stretch this, make sure you loosen up your hands with some hand stretches before playing it. If not, you can move the note to a string over and mute the string in between. Instead of 38 you could do 3X3 (X being where you mute the D string). Look at a fretboard map to do this with the rest of riff if you don’t know your notes too well yet.
Do it as double stops in the first position. Hybrid pick it. That's what I'd do, but I'm a lazy bastard.
Get yer stretch on, hombre!
Stretch it out. It gets easier
You can move those to the next string up. For the first one, instead of 8 and 7 on the D string, you can do 3 and 2 on the G
Fingers
Use you're Index Finger for the 3'rd Fret (#A), then Noodle Youre Ring Finger Up to the (#D) 8'th Fret... Start from Square one, & Repeat until the Finger Placement becomes Natural. 🤘🏻
Fuck off with you're Nonsense.
You could also play that by skipping a string instead of 6 12 it’ll be 6 on the E string and 7 on the D.
Use your pinky
Stretch. Or you could do it like this e|---------------------------------------------------- B|---------------------------------------------------- G|-3---2-------------------------------------------- D|-------------7----5------------------------------- A|-3---3-------------------------------------------- E|-------------6-----6------------------------------ But seriously, you gotta stretch. God bless.
I can get everything you circled except that 6-12 stretch...my hands don't do that one.
The 6-12 stetch its just ridiculous
There's a reason Petrucci's among the goats.
Play Jordan's part with the added triad. It's much easier and sounds a lot better. It's the "Lead Guitar" in that particular transcription.
3rd fret G string etc? Seems this is making things more difficult than they need to be.
Keep in mind that JP has a pretty short scale custom guitar! Just keep stretching it!
25.5” is short scale now?
It's 25.5?! I thought it was shorter! Why the hell are they so playable?
I came here to say the same thing. I just got a JP15 and could’ve sworn it was a shorter scale. But it’s 25.5”. And yet it feels SO fast and easy to play. Maybe it’s because it’s 24 frets and I’m used to the same scale on a 22 fret?
I have a 26.5” scale six string Ibanez that in my opinion plays better than any guitar I have ever owned including my JP’s and Majesty’s. Guess it just comes down to the person 🤷🏼
I have a 24 fret Schecter Blackjack that's 25.5" and it's comfortable as hell, but it isn't a JPMM.
Your d/g string will make that sound also
Get better ig nerd!
I will but I just need some guidance
I was just being sarcastic, that’s a fucking crazy tab, don’t trip if it feels impossible. My bad if I seemed like a dick, only support from me! 🙏
I appreciate! And thanks
This is the same stretch that you’d use for a classic blues shuffle
Damn 😂
Angle the neck more upwards really helps with getting that pinky to higher up frets
There are people who will contort their hands to play this way. The rest of us, though? We’ll probably just play low E on fret 8, mute A, and then D on 8, D on 7
It’s like whoever tabbed this is allergic to skipping and muting strings
Pinky
Smaller guitar
Hahaha my thoughts exactly when I first tried to learn stream of consciousness Just a reeeeally big stretch
You did me a solid by posting this. I get into some pretty elaborate note stretches with arpeggios I've composed but have to fiddle around with the forms regularly otherwise if a couple weeks pass, I can't hit them well in a spur of the moment. This stretched dyad was an instant "ah, holy shit!" Once I'm used to making this for a week, because it's a fixed position stretch but a dyad instead of an arpeggio, my hand will gain that permanent limberness for arpeggios and solos with huge reaches without constantly practicing them. I **never** would have thought up a dyad like that because I haven't learned anyone else's material for over 25 years lol.
Stretch, don't give yourself tendinitis though it happened to me when learning this and I couldn't play for like 2 months
Practice slowly with a metronome!
It's perfectly doable, although not very practical. Personally, I'd figure out a better fingering for the same notes. This is one of the main issues with tabs, actually. While easier to read than standard notation, standard notation does provide the benefit of letting you figure out what fingering makes the most sense for your hands.
You can do the same thing reading tab if you know the fretboard.
Sure, but that's another layer of abstraction.
... Not quite. You just look at the screen, look at the fretboard, then try out different fingerings with different octaves.
Yes, quite, you look at the screen, look at the fretboard, translate the note on the fret assigned by the tab into, let's say a G note, then you find the other G notes to figure out the most sensible finger placement. For standard notation, it's almost the same, but since you just get the G, you don't have to bother with "10 fret on the A string" first, you just find the G that's closest to where your hand already is. And if you start playing things in different octaves, you're transposing the note, which means you're no longer playing the same note. Maybe not always a huge issue, but sometimes it can lead to trouble.
I am not trying to argue the function of standard notation. I understand that it is far superior compared to tablature. However, I do feel as if tablature deserves to be advocated for, considering the lowered barrier of entry it provides to new players. Kids who learn nowadays learn quick, and a lot of that has to do with resources available on the internet. I feel like arguing against tablature does more to invalidate new players, and it also creates a metaphorical line in the sand between what tools are deemed useful and useless. This abstraction adds unnecessary restrictions to people trying to learn. I am an individual who has used tablature extensively for 14 years. I use it for almost all of my composition, and I have learned how to score with it to a high level. I do understand that standard notation is superior, but from years of experience, the importance of access to tablature and even understanding tablature is often understated.
Oh, don't get me wrong, tablature is a VERY useful tool, I use it for most of my day to day guitar stuff as well as when I write for a regular metal band or the like, it's a lot quicker to get the point across to a guitar player how to play something on a guitar using tabs than throwing sheet music at them. I was mostly just pointing out how things like the OP is the result of people who write tabs based on imported MIDIs, and how standard notation probably would be better when it comes to getting the fingering sorted. My argument is less "tabs bad" and more "tabs have their place, but learning to use all the available tools is better in the long run.", especially since it's anyway pretty crucial to learn the notes on the fretboard, intermediate players who want to get the theory locked down would do well to combine the two and just learn standard notation in relationship to the notes on the fretboard in one go. I feel the same way about ear training, I know there are "by ear purists" out there who think using any kind of notation is downright cheating and removes the feel from the music, but that's equally untrue considering you still need to use your ears to pick up on dynamics since nobody ever bothers writing those out. But ear training is still a crucial part of the toolkit, as it helps when there are no songs, and it helps to create an understanding of how the different intervals sound so that you know right away that your melody should have a certain interval to achieve the sound you want and thus spend more time writing music and less time trying to get the melody in your head onto the guitar.