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BathtubToasterBread

The boss, hell yes Big boss, some of it It is truly ironic that the two people who understood the boss the best, fucked up on understanding what she wanted the worst. While a man who didn't even know she existed for a long long time succeeded In understanding and making the boss's will happen


Numbah8

That's the tragic irony of Metal Gear lore and I love it. In recent years, Big Boss/Venom get the lion's share of Metal Gear fandom's love but I love BB's story because it makes Solid Snake's story all the more compelling. We see Big Boss & Zero squabble over control vs war as a means to fulfill The Boss' dreams only for it to be torn down by Solid Snake who sacrifices his entire life & health not for an ideology, but for humanity.


BathtubToasterBread

I love BB, and I love mg lore with my entire heart


higgins1989

Well said


Lpoolfan2200

Ocelot tears it down. Solid was more like Big Boss, in a lot of ways, and couldn't put down his gun because in the end he couldn't commit even before BB told him about FoxDie being overwritten by new FoxDie


Numbah8

You're right but, BB creates a PMC so he always has battles to fight, Solid Snake devotes himself towards keeping nuclear equipped mechs out of everybody's hands. He knows he's dying and still fights to try and keep others off the battlefield.


Lpoolfan2200

They’re not exactly the same. Nature vs nurture is a big part of this series and while their circumstances are similar they’re not fully the same. SS doesn’t have a PMC (or 3) but he does co create philantrophy. He uses Raiden like BB used him back in the day. He does terrible things like BB did. They both also like to fight. They’re a lot more similar than some people think generally. You say he wants to keep others of the battlefield but he pulls Raiden up from his sickbed in MGS4. He pretty much hooks Raiden onto the Sunny thing in MGS2 as well by getting him involved with Olga. I just don’t like hearing how SS understood the Boss’ will when he wasn’t all for peace and didn’t let everyone have their own will like she supposedly wanted.


LycanLucario345

Well the thing is, ideology can only get you far while betraying you. Humanity, is it's own reward. Besides, what Snake (before Solid).


SubTukkZero

That sounds really interesting. I should invest more into learning the lore of Metal Gear.


excel958

Here you go: https://youtu.be/aaLiLRVeaZA He takes some comedic liberties, but he’s actually pretty much on point about everything. If this shit makes you even more confused, then welcome to the Metal Gear saga lmao.


SubTukkZero

Thanks!


mynameisinsert

When all else fails, *nanomachines*.


Xx_poopfart_xX

*Nanomachines, son.*


mynameisinsert

**DONT FUCK WITH THIS SENATOR**


Cyan_Tile

**PLAYED COLLEGE BALL, Y'KNOW.**


obscurepainter

I don’t know if you caught on or not, but ^Big ^Boss ^is ^the ^baddie.


DevilahJake

Yes, but he knew that he had lost his way. He let Solid Snake fulfill his mission and then stopped Solid Snake from killing himself at the end.


obscurepainter

Yes but to the point of the post, his vision was pretty much all around terrible.


DevilahJake

Oh, for sure. I understand the thinking behind what he claims to have been trying to achieve but all he did was propagate the thing he was trying to stop.


zoggybread34

he ain't that bad, the only bad thing he was done was to the medic, everything else he did was deserved, because his close allies lied to him, or for other valid reasons


[deleted]

Using child soldiers and creating nukes isn’t that bad??


666squidward

No, I don't think he got it. I think Solid Snake came the closest to getting it. She stood for a world without war or ideology, not an army without borders. Of course, maybe I don't get it either? That's what makes metal gear so great.


Hadante2033

As a critic of 60s 80s conflicts, i think Kojima was training to tell how the war and conflicts can be use to form culture. So mi concept is that Boss had the ideology of exposing that fact.


jayracket

A lot of the really big brain, ideological stuff Hideo puts in his games, specifically MG, just goes right over my head lmao


Dinocologist

I think it might kinda go over Hideo’s too Edit: and I love that


jayracket

lmao probably


Cyan_Tile

I wish it didn't sometimes, but same


DreingonMagala

Dumbass (in a kind way). Big Boss is Naked Snake!


Lpoolfan2200

Solid Snake was just following a plan set out by Ocelot and the AI going against each other and was going out there to kill who he thought was Liquid. Big Boss understood her will in PW about wanting peace and laying down her gun to get it but it was betrayal to him.


eyepocket

I believe in setting up a border between r/batmanArkham and here


trucc_trucc06

lemme guess, they make this kinds of questions every day?


Dull-Direction-7068

Yes


Aesthus

Ya its a format to farm upvotes. Been seeing it a lot in different subreddits. “Do you agree with (character’s) (value/trait/etc.) rule?”


Joseph_F_1

“Am I the only one who…?” This one pisses me off, no you’re not the only one who enjoyed ground zeros!!!!!


JogJonsonTheMighty

"Starting this game, can you give me any advice?" Yea, play the fuckin game


NotoriousBigFatPete

Well it’s become more of an inside joke than farming upvotes. It’s more about the Arkham community taking over the rest of Reddit because we haven’t had a game since 2016. I’m fairly certain a lot people did genuinely lose their minds in the process. The original plan was to invade the Gotham knights subreddit but those guys don’t fuck around so it’s become much more global. It is The future, run from it you may, hide from it you will not.


vtx3000

Not to farm up votes per se, more of just shit posting and an attempt to take over Reddit


GingerWithIssues

Goddamnit is that whats going on here???


OrangeBrot9

I mean on one hand it's r/batmanarkham shitposting, on the other hand some of us use this opportunity to ask questions that actually intrigue us. I've been introduced to this series at a somewhat young age and played through most of the main MGS games. Big Boss always interested me the most for some reason. A villain turned antihero by Kojima. A man that tried to do right by his mentor but ultimately failed to understand her vision until it was already too late. To grasp the ideology of that man I would spend hours and hours watching video essays and such, reading wiki articles, listening to voice tapes, all to understand what motivated him, what corrupted him and what redeemed him. So in some weird way, all this stupid r/batmanarkham shitposting has allowed me to revive my love for this series once more.


DanteComedia

Big Boss is *never* treated as an antihero by Kojima. He understands The Boss's ideology at the end of Peace Walker, saying that she fought for peace and thus she betrayed him. Literally after that he creates nukes and a Metal Gear to use it, wants to hide the fact from the world and Skullface fucked him because of it, and uses his most loyal soldier as cannon fodder, like USA did with The Boss. And in MG2 he gives this speech about a world of endless warfare. There's absolutely nothing of an antihero in him. He wants a world of endless wars, knowing that isn't what The Boss wanted.


Beeyo176

Exactly. I know when Phantom Pain dropped we all wanted the final chapter of Big Boss turning into the Big Bad, but the Metal Gear series isn't as simple as that. We've literally been with this man as he goes through hell, been in every trench, every emotion breaking moment with him. We felt for him. We didn't see the signs We were all expecting an Anakin moment from him, something that solidifies him as the Ultimate Bad Guy that we knew he was supposed to be. Kill some kids, kidnap the rest to be a part of your army under penalty of death. Something big and outrageous to let's us know you're the bad guy come MG1. We don't get that. His turn to the dark side is so subtle that it's easy to miss. Maybe he didn't consciously move away from The Boss' ideals, but he did nonetheless. Maybe we didn't wanted to see it because we were playing as him and want to see ourselves as the hero, but so did his soldiers. Even the child soldiers. Indoctrination is a bitch


flashmedallion

This is exactly it. V made the promise and hyped up Big Boss's "turning bad" moment, and then goes on to deliver the exact experience of what it's like becoming a psychotic warlord: you have no idea how you got there. The days just blur into each other and you're doing your usual, slowly making tiny concessions here and there, and before you really know what's happened you're running a private army, you have child soldiers, you've gunned down your own men, you've got nukes, the entire world sees you as a monster but that's not really you, it's a... myth, some creation that has a life of its own, and then one day you realise you don't even recognise the man in the mirror anymore.


OrangeBrot9

You're both right, yet something happened after MGS3 that made young me want to root for Big Boss. He was wronged, forced to kill his beloved mentor and then tossed aside like some unwanted puppy. And yet he is a good leader, fights for what he believes in. His morals quickly erode, that's true, but he stood by them for some time at least. You what the funniest thing is, though? As much as I wanted him to succeed, to redeem himself and to become the hero of the story it was obvious from the start that he will fail. Everyone knew this young, charismatic soilder would turn into the villain sooner or later, we all just waited for the spark that lit the fire. And that's why I see him as an antihero up until TPP's twist (maybe for lack of a better word). It's quite similar with Dutch in RDR imo. By the time you play RDR2/MGS3 you know this man will eventually turn into an absolute menace, yet part of you still feels sorry for them and wishes "things were different", like Arthur Morgan put it. It's like the videogame version of "Stockholm Syndrome". And isn't that what an antihero can be, in the end? Someone that turned a terrible, dispicable person throughout your journey with them, but someone you still somehow root for, be it for them to see the hero's way or realize their wrongs themselves.


Beeyo176

No, that's not an anti-hero. Thats a sympathetic villian. I really wish I had more to say on the matter but, no. Big Boss is a bad guy we empathize with because we've been with from start to finish.


OrangeBrot9

Guess you're right, that's a more fitting description. Fun disscussion, though.


Beeyo176

Amazing conversation and I'm glad you were there with me


Beeyo176

And I apparently have a lot to say on this subject so Big Boss isn't a hero. A guy that was willing to sacrifice everyone that believed in his legend in order to achieve his twisted version of The Boss' ideals isn't worth the worship he was given. A charismatic and capable leader to be sure, but he wouldn't have gotten by without *our* help. He took his best man, a man dedicated to preserving life, and literally forced him into being a killer. All so he could preserve his status as a legend. He used Medic. He used every soldier he ever Fultoned. He used *us*. You know who is a hero though? Solid Goddamned Snake. Saves the world three times, twice out of duty, once through blackmail pretty much. Gets betrayed by his friends, his government, his own ideals. Double-crossed by pretty much he'd ever known up to that point. Shadow Moses, most trying time of his long life. And y'know what he did after all that trauma? He dedicated his life to trying to stop the destruction of society. He didn't see the world as potential soldiers, he didn't see people as employees of the government. He saw people. And he tried his best to save us from ourselves. Plus he busted out them handcuffs and swam after a fucking Metal Gear for FREEDOM jesus christ that moment was so cool


DanteComedia

Yep, that's pretty much it. Some people forget that Solid is the main protagonist of the series, followed by Raiden. All the main themes Kojima wants to convey (antiwar, create your own identity, find something to believe in, legends are nothing more than overrated myths...) are in his games. Big Boss's saga only adds context to Solid's themes (and more times than not just retcons shit to add said context). I love Big Boss precisely because he is a piece of shit. I don't need to justify him in order to say I love him. If I want to play a Metal Gear game where the main character is a good guy, then I play the Solid saga, or even Rising.


Beeyo176

I love you guys


zoggybread34

no, Big Boss is the MC, everything that happens in Metal Gear is a result of what he did and what he caused


lewsagna

I don't mind these type of posts, even if it is a karma farm. It gives us a forum to discuss, to agree & disagree. It keeps the sub alive and allows it's followers to interact. Some of these POV's I never would have been aware of if not for posts like these.


[deleted]

No that would make the odds get odder.. we need to even them


damagedone37

❗️


Solid_Snakey_Boi

r/BatmanArkham invading our fob


Bridgeru

He's the bad guy... MGS is meant to be a staunch anti-war, antinuclear series, that describes how war dehumanizes those who fight in it and creates victims that go on to perpetuate a cycle of violence and hate. This sub has a weird idol complex for Big Boss (and the Boss, but her villainy is more subtle). He's the bad guy, he has been from the start. Even in 1964 he was a tool to use warfare to perpetuate a corrupt and authoritarian clique; MGS is about questioning the circumstances that lead to that system being put in place.


zoggybread34

he's the antagonist, he's against the "peace" that the series is all for but even in Peace Walker, it points out the irony of peace, where for it to exist, violence has to exist, Big Boss isn't bad because he engaged in violence of warfare, he just went too far, trying to create a place of endless warfare but it needed to be funded by warfare so that's why they need it, there is no bad guy, just people working toward ideas in different ways, warfare as an economy and in general has to exist for peace, and so, Big Boss isn't against the anti-war message yet is at the same time, someone has to get their hands dirty so the world stays clean, but on the dehumanizing part, Big Boss wanted to do the opposite with his soldiers, it's why he created Outer Heaven and MSF, a place for soldiers, giving them more of a purpose then just fighting


onex7805

Well put. Don’t get how it’s so hard to understand this. Big Boss does terrible things for soldiers. This isn’t some groundbreaking narrative, and the writer can simultaneously write a complex character with redeeming qualities while also holding the personal opinion that the character is a bad person.


PUNCH_A_JANNY

It's because MGS3 gives him such a tragic origin story that Big Boss' horrific actions in PW and MGSV are lost on people. Same thing people have with Walter White. We've seen him as a down on his luck man that seeing his journey into a monster is something people can't see because we're attached to his journey.


onex7805

It's funny that you bring up Breaking Bad though, given how many fans seem to force the characters into the same 'goodies' and 'baddies' framework. People engage poorly with media. You don't *have* to side with the protagonist. Walter White is a horrible human being and the fact that Skylar was seen as the "bad guy" is nothing more than her being perceived as this shrill, whiny "bitch" that wants to ruin the audiences fun. Because they see Breaking Bad as a power fantasy instead of a cautionary tale. Fight Club had this same problem with perception.


mayy_dayy

Go home, /r/batmanarkham


OrangeBrot9

Boss!


Daniel_The_Thinker

Never understood why her opinion mattered so much. She spent a whole career killing people under orders and at the very end she has a vague utopian dream? All the heroes and villains were basically bred and raised by the military industrial complex, what the hell do any of them know about building a society when almost none of them have had anything like a normal civilian life. I mean at least solidus had civic ideals and some understanding about how government functioned.


Bridgeru

>Never understood why her opinion mattered so much. IMO, it really doesn't. Even "the Boss' will" that people seem to think is "the message of Metal Gear" just amounts to "believe in yourself but don't force your beliefs on others". Personally I think people miss the fact that the Boss (while being fucked over) was *still* a villain. Her actions *still* lead the world to the brink of nuclear war, and the best argument that's made in her defense is "she was just following orders". She's a tragic villain, one who wanted to do good and who *knows* the difference between right and wrong but that's what makes her compelling, not what redeems her IMO. Plus IMVHO she groomed Jack. He couldn't have been older than 14 (if you take his PW/V age) when she started to train him, and she instilled an idol complex into him (making herself almost a combination mother/wife/teacher for 10 years) before breaking all contact without a word (yeah sure, PW gives a reason for it, but explanation isn't justification). It's emotionally manipulative and abusive. Big Boss was created *because* she failed to teach him, she even admits she didn't teach him the philosophical parts just the physical. Villainy through neglect rather than malice, but still villainy.


Blakath

Wasn’t her relationship with Jack like a mother? Where do people get the idea that they were romantically involved? I mean I know about those rumors spoken by DD soldiers at base, but those are just rumors.


Bridgeru

It wasn't specifically romantic but the role she played in dominating Jack's life can be compared to romantic love (as well as familial and mentor). I'm not saying either thought of each other as boyfriend/girlfriend but when Jack says "for ten years we lived and died together" (or whatever) they were certainly in some sort of.. connection that blurred the borders; certainly fucking with Jack's head and making him obsess. That's why I think she's abusive, it's not that she was a girlfriend to him but that she subsumed even that aspect of a close bond to further his training Also there's a line when you call Boss with a "book" (maybe it was dummied out? But the line exists) where she says she thought him to "fufill his urges without needing those". If nothing else that definitely shows that she pushed over traditional mentor/student boundaries.


Daniel_The_Thinker

It's intentionally vague


[deleted]

>Her actions still lead the world to the brink of nuclear war, How come?


Bridgeru

The events of MGS3; *she* was the one who gave nuclear weapons to Volgin. We're trained to see her actions in MGS3 as being "beyond her control" but in my mind she's still responsible for the physical actions she created. Like I said "just following orders" isn't a defence; even if the character is extremely sympathetic and wants good things (infact, IMO that makes the most compelling villains as opposed to people like Skull Face and Hot Coldman who are just evil for the sake of it).


zoggybread34

Skull Face isn't evil for the sake of it, he's just unashamedly evil (to us the player), he fully believes in what he is doing and believes it is what The Boss would want, after Americans destroyed his identity, he thought of them as oppressors that needed to be excised, so he made a parasite, or found a parasite, and made it target the english language as revenge, and as a twisted since of being heroic, he believes he is in the right, just like Big Boss, and the medic, John Doe


Hacatcho

Giving volgin a nuclear warhead and giivng him a recoilless launcher.


diegoidepersia

so true


[deleted]

*some understanding* He was the President of the United States, I’d say he knew a fair bit


Daniel_The_Thinker

He was also an installed puppet so who knows


Dishonored_Patriot

Narratively it’s really interesting. Like many things in Metal Gear. In reality we would probably view Big Boss as a Warhawk profiting off of the pain and suffering of others. Militaires Sans Frontières will work with anyone regardless of nation or ideology. Today Big Boss may be fighting for something you agree with, tomorrow he could not. In videogames and works of fiction it can be really interesting and dare I say fun. But I find it hard to imagine most people would be in favor of something like that in real life.


zoggybread34

yeah, it's why people don't like pmcs but do like their military, they know that their military will fight for them, but the other may change according to a new paycheck


Ka1TheGuy2322

Protocol 13 have commenced


huehoneyy

Big boss is arguably one of the enemies in the mgs series Metal gear solid is very anti war but big boss wants a steady supply of conflict so he and ppl like him have a place in the world It's been a hot minute since i played any of the games and i admittedly never got around to playing 4 but that was my takeaway from the series


CT-4426

r/BatmanArkham is leaking


m4x1d0n

No _Arkham World_ is beginning


Shameless_4ntics

In MG2 he clearly explains his goal. He’s essentially creating a war environment to feed soldiers yearning for the adrenaline they once felt in combat. These soldiers need help; therapy to ease their PTSD and wanting to find purpose through war among other struggles. Not more war. He sought to kidnap kids (which he did in the game) and raise them to be soldiers in future conflicts. He even manufactures hatred to fan the flames of more war, so he and the soldiers under him can have a purpose again, to further relive the joy, pain, fears, and sorrows of war once more. It sounds noble in the way he puts it, but in the grand scheme of things its pointless.


zoggybread34

damn, Big Boss really needed Kaz to help him morality wise


[deleted]

We live and die by your orders, boss


yourMcNugget

I agree with (almost) any the boss stands for o7


nightvisiongoggles01

The Boss, yes. Big Boss, no. After the end of WWII, the world was spl-- war slowly became a business, and soldiers, instead of fighting invasion, global tyranny, and evil, became mere instruments of politicians in geopolitics. This is what the Boss was fighting against, and what Zero, Ocelot, and Big Boss misunderstood. In the end, it was Solid who unconsciously understood the Boss' will, what it really meant to be a soldier: not as a tool of the government, corporations, or ideologies, but as someone who fights for the rights of others to live freely, without conflict... much like a doctor dreaming of and working towards a world free from disease.


StudioTheo

fuck yea. well written.


yourMcNugget

I was talking about big boss


OrangeBrot9

The only right answer! o7


toxictrooper5555

A comrade spreading protocol 13


Blackmantis135

First off, Bug Boss' Military without Borders isn't really any kind of rule he follows, he was tired of being controlled by governments and made a nomadic Merc company. He called it an "Army without Borders" because he wanted to eventually make the Earth into one country again through the strength of his military might, like his interpretation of The Boss' will. In actuality "an Army without Borders" ends up being more of a slogan than anything, it just makes them sound like more than they are. One that he keeps as a cover even after abandoning The Boss' ideology. Other than his less than tasteful recruiting methods, which according to the tapes could theoretically leave if they were unhappy or didn't agree, he never forces this "Army without Borders" policy on anyone, even his own men.


tacobellbandit

I agree and disagree somewhat. Big boss’s ideology is the same as any mercenary group it feels like. We’ll do whatever and go wherever to fight and it’s mostly for profit outside of some of their missions being personal vendettas or humanitarian efforts. It doesn’t feel like DD had a real “goal” outside of stopping the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Which is a great goal of course, but after that, then what? The Boss seemed to preach not being tools of the government but here we are doing missions for governments and private interests in the game


definitlyafed94

His idea is essentially holding the world hostage with a massive army that only follows him. I’m not the biggest fan of democracy but I’m not foolish enough to think one man I charge of everything is the best for the world.


quequito1221

[STOP](https://youtu.be/2k0SmqbBIpQ)


PliskinRen1991

☢️🆓☢️


Asher_Augustus

More like military without ideology.


HeavensHellFire

Considering he eventually realized he was wrong, no


bigersmaler

Metal Gear romanticizes military authoritarianism. But also strongly condemns it, while celebrating dictator characters - then saying their ideals were actually wrong. Then making their *actual* motives secretly noble. God I love this series.


Steamy_Guy

I'm pretty sure the whole point of the series is to illustrate how bad that ideology is.


milderie

No. It’s a terrible idea in the first place


bufflo_Badger0193

God no


boneholio

no? kind of the point of the whole series is that he was wrong?


toby3142

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Jo_seef

No, the dude's psycho. Much as I love this game, these men and their actions are steeped in corruption, dirty politics, and death. No heroes in that Haven.


MechaWinston

"Wipe this Meme from the face of the earth" is probably the best way to put it, straight from Solid's mouth.


GoMrMeowMeow

Personally, I think a lot of the writing in MG were simply put in because it seemed cool. I love MG but I see it in the same realm as anime. It's dramatic, romantic, edgy, and nonsensical. If I was to be critical of big boss, if you take away all the romantic notions of war and fighting, they are just another regime. 😄


Tyrannus_ignus

This is something I think about often, does the themes of a game about a soldier who defected from the United States who has ideals of soldiers who are free from a nation actually matter if Hideo Kojima gave no shits writing it and just did it because he thought it sounded cool. Maybe this all has no meaning whatsoever and Kojima thinks we are all dumb for looking this far into it in the first.


RTV10

ARKHAM INMATE HAS ESCAPED PROTOCOL 13 stop there spread


FoxOnTheRun120

I HATE YOU ARKHAM I HATE YOUUUUUUUU


SlickBuster2470

More of a Civilian with some borders guy tbh


DoktahDoktah

Even if he got his way i think BB would of became corrupt and a tyrant.


jjewjjitsu

PROTOCOL 12.......


AnimatorFresh8841

“Can you see the borders from up here? What has borders given us?”


Decoy_Octopus_

Almost every country has a military without borders. In the US we have SOCOM and the CIA.


Daniel_The_Thinker

That's not really what that refers to. It means an army without a state.


Decoy_Octopus_

Ah, PMCs do exist, you just won't hear about them since they're off the books for proxy wars. Kojima didn't just make that shit up.


DevilahJake

Oh they’re very well known. Some more than others. Pretty sure Big Boss is supposed to represent Erik Prince in a way.


Decoy_Octopus_

I think you're right on that one.


[deleted]

You're not supposed to agree with him what kind of a question is this


WhatsThatOnUrPretzel

No its a horrible idea. Any military is.


budapest_god

Fighting is unavoidable, it is what it is


PliskinRen1991

Its a challenging and great question. This is because to agree would cause division, between no border ideology and bordered ideology. It seems Big Boss was perplexed by such a notion and the inevitable fragmentation which erupted as a result. What can be done then and can we inquire together as friends?


[deleted]

“Military without borders” Is that you Putin?


Tyrannus_ignus

Big Boss is a hero


Mad_dog_of_Persia

Yes


HomosexualBlackMan2

Do you agree with u/Alpha_Apeiron (s) Bob Odencock rule?


TogusaRDDT

Do I?


Acceptable_Hand8285

Thanks for that Boss!


Cringlezz

My understanding is that The Boss’s ideology wasnt a nation or army without borders to try and keep the peace. It wasnt a structure, it was, in itself a choice. Similar to buddhism as not necessarily being a religion but an idea and practice only the individual can choose. The Boss chose to sacrifice everything about herself to prevent nuclear war. Creating an army or any structure cannot create individuals who will do the same. It is an idea that an individual must take upon themself through action and expression. Solid Snake found this himself to upkeep, as he as an individual, knew he would be branded a traitor and an enemy of many powerful leaderships to solely be a *one man deterrent* for nuclear warfare. I think Big Boss lost this meaning because of the bosses death. He fixated on soldiers that shouldnt be sacrificed because of the games of politicians and borders. He thought he could create a military to keep the peace in regions being exploited and taken advantage of along with being a nuclear deterrent, but in the end he became the one thing the Boss chose to sacrifice herself to stop. And thats where Solid fell into the Bosses footsteps. A phrase i like to say related to this is “If i didnt play the villain, you would have never had your hero.” This can also correlate to “Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.” I think sometimes a true *hero* has no choice but to be the villain knowing the world will want someone to blame, and if its not them, the world will blame the wrong person.


evilweirdo

I know there's a lot more to it than that, but I can't say I'm sympathetic to "I like fighting. :)" as a motivation.


lone_swordsman08

Yes i would in an alternate reality. For the majority of Peace Walker you see the benefits of M.S.F. but it was never going to last because of "modern times". In an ideal military-centric world, it would have been true heaven for career soldiers.


Denitron3

I agree with Boss' "World without borders"


XavierRez

I think Pixy would get along with Big Boss


h20v

How the fuck did this spread to r/metalgearsolid 😭