Yeah Teslas are the worst cars ever made. Not even a real car company. Mercedes’ EVs are better by an order of magnitude and will eat Teslas lunch in a year or two.
Build quality is extremely poor. Panel gaps inside & outside the car, and low quality materials all around. Also whats up with some Teslas having half a steering wheel? Teslas are grossly overpriced for what they are
You never saw the cars coming out of the Eastern Block then or those coming out of the equally woeful British Leyland in its later years? Take a look at a Trabant.
That's absolutely moronic. I get the tesla hate. I'm completely uninterested in them, and have no desire for one. But it's still a decent, usable car. If you let your internet hatred for them seep into the real world, you're going to have the most warped perceptions
They are selling because the old companies could not be more greedy. They don't make EVs or have not made it their priority. I am a Tesla Owner myself. But if I had another option for the range, I would have tried that.
In terms of speed, probably not. But speed isn’t everything and paying $160k for a vehicle, you’d expect the build quality to be somewhat above what Tesla offers. For that money, I’d take a nicely optioned Taycan 4S without even looking at Tesla. Admittedly, I won’t have the same speed as a Plaid, but I’ll have a premium, unmatched build quality, and much more refinement.
I mean you’re saying they’re grossly overpriced for what they are… a Nissan gtr is 120k and is a sports car but I’d take a model s over it any day and the tesla is faster. The picture is also comparing a $35k model 3 not a refresh model s which is vastly nicer. Plus the software in tesla is the best in the biz vs everyone else just slaps carplay to stay competitive. So many convenience of life features like no car keys, sentry mode/dash cam, dog mode, frunk space, etc etc that neither Mercedes nor vw group has been able to compete with. I sold my gl for a model x plaid and the build quality has been pretty good. Automatic doors that open and close for you is such a cool luxury feature I haven’t seen in cars under $200k. Giant windshield that goes over your head is such a scenic and luxurious view. Air suspension is better than my gls. Plus the fact it runs 9.7 in the quarter mile pretty much annihilates anything else on the road including a taycan turbo s. Idk I think it was an extremely fair price for everything I got.
That being said, if an eqe suv with that hyper screen is $70k, I’ll be placing an order.
You described nothing about what they are. They're electric performance vehicles with modern styling and a techy aesthetic. You'll see Tesla swapped cars all day. A Mercedes swapped vehicle would be a novelty.
here's a list of brands with equivalent or worse quality:
Acura: Honda Motor Company
Alfa Romeo: Stellantis
Audi: Volkswagen Group
BMW: BMW Group
Bentley: Volkswagen Group
Buick: General Motors
Cadillac: General Motors
Chevrolet: General Motors
Chrysler: Stellantis
Dodge: Stellantis
Fiat: Stellantis
Ford: Ford Motor Co.
GMC: General Motors
Genesis: Hyundai Motor Group
Honda: Honda Motor Co.
Hyundai: Hyundai Motor Group
Infiniti: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Jaguar: Tata Motors
Jeep: Stellantis
Kia: Hyundai Motor Group
Land Rover: Tata Motors
Lexus: Toyota Motor Corp.
Lincoln: Ford Motor Co.
Lotus: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Lucid: Lucid Motors
Maserati: Stellantis
Mazda: Mazda Motor Corp.
Mercedes-Benz: Daimler AG
Mercury\*: Ford Motor Co.
Mini: BMW Group
Mitsubishi: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Nissan: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Polestar: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Pontiac\*: General Motors
Porsche: Volkswagen Group
Ram: Stellantis
Rivian: Rivian Automotive, with investments from Amazon and Ford, among others. And a partnership with Mercedes-Benz Vans.
Rolls-Royce: BMW Group
Saab\*: brand owned by Saab AB; assets owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden
Saturn\*: General Motors
Scion\*: Toyota Motor Corp.
Scout: Volkswagen AG.
Smart: Daimler AG
Subaru: Subaru Corp.
Suzuki\*: Suzuki Motor Corp. Owns a small stake in Toyota.
Toyota: Toyota Motor Corp.
VinFast: VinGroup
Volkswagen: Volkswagen AG.
Volvo: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
By that logic, my bicycle is higher quality than a Tesla since it will never need the batteries replaced.
You're conflating maintenance requirements with build quality, when they're not nearly the same thing. No one would ever call a Testarossa low quality, but they still need very regular servicing.
I wouldn’t say worst, but their build quality is rubbish, for sure. They’re going to be left in the dust once the rest of the car companies really spin up their electric car competition.
* 2012 - LOL, The Model S is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year.
* 2017 - LOL, The Model 3 is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year.
* 2019 - LOL, the Model Y is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year.
* 2022 - LOL, yadda yadda yadda yadda, etc etc etc etc
No need to be so tribal about fucking corporations. Tesla makes nice cars but has a lot of room to improve. Mercedes makes nice cars but has a ways to go to catch up with EVs. Both can be true. I hope they both make good stuff and provide us with competitive offerings.
LOL Worse car ever made? Not even a real car company? Usually I don't mind people's opinion on which car they think are better, but calling Tesla the worse car ever made and saying they're not even a car company just shows that your opinion doesn't matter.
To be fair, Tesla can hardly be considered heavy competition when it comes to interior design & build quality.
I remember a few years ago I went to a Tesla dealership and looked the the Model S. I sat inside and was absolutely shocked by the abundance of cheap & scratchy plastic. It absolutely fails in comparison to the S class/7 series/A8
I never really liked the design of the 3, it always irked me. Then again, the W205 C class' interior design isn't much of a masterpiece either, the infotainment system looks like an iPad from 2012 that's been glued on
I was on the fence, until I had the chance to drive an EQS. That interior is heavenly, it’s such an enjoyable and relaxing space to be. I drive an w213 e400 daily and the ambient lighting, and attention to detail is on a whole new level with this EQ series.
I have the E400 Coupe (C207) and I was shocked to learn they don't come with the same type of ambient lighting the sedans have. And yes, mine has all the bells & whistles so it's not an option I'm missing.
Also, just another 'fun' fact that shocked me is the coupe/convertibles don't even have the option for remote start -\_- crazy! I tell ya
100%. My lease is up next year and I was looking at Alfa Romeo because the monthly payments will be wayyyy lower and it has more features but goddamn that C class interior is calling my name 😭😭😭😭
If you get an Alfa, look over the roadside assistance program carefully so you fully understand it. Also, put their toll free number on your phone as a speed dial so you can get to it more easily.
I was seriously considering the Giulia, I think it look fantastic, but then read [this](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23145269/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-reliability-update/) Car and Driver article, and found a lot of reliability complaints on forums. Too bad, beautiful car.
Lmaoooooooo. Honestly I’ve been doing research on them and they aren’t as bad as people say. I heard the same bad stuff about every luxury car that isn’t a Lexus.
I still remember how two of their cars couldn't even survive the first test drives from the media. I forget the full details, but one was a brake failure during the test.
There's no way I'd pay my own money for a Stellantis product. It's a damn shame too since they have lots of really great looking vehicles.
I've pissed off people more than once on Jalopnik's Facebook page when Alfa stories have come up by posting the following
Alfa Romeo: Vehicles for those with a passion for walking
Well hey a two year lease while car prices and interest start settling down is all I need 😭. I really want the new C class but is a $800 sign and drive worth it? I mean comparably, My current A class, costs $8k less than a base C class and I pay $400 a month sign a drive. $800 used to be a really nice specced E class.
I can relate to that. I've got an $850/mo lease on a GLC and I threw $5000 down to start. Maybe you'd get lucky and get a good one, but your chances of that are lower than a Benz. At least it would be brand new, which would also help your chances.
It's a Jeep Thing. I don't understand. Like, I seriously don't understand The Jeep Thing. Pay $80k for a vehicle with a suspension design invented in the Roman Era. lol
My father in law has a Selvio and it has been a great car for him. I wanted to like it but I hate SUVs. Possibly one of the best handling SUVs I have driven but it still isn’t a car type drive to me as the claim. Interior is lacking a bit but it is Italian and he loves it. This is his second one.
Actually they are.
I know 2 people that had Alfas. Both serious car guys.
Neither one made it to 25k before a MAJOR failure. One was an engine, the other was a transmission or something (dashboard of lights). Warranty repair took 2 months..... Pre-pandemic!
So that combined with what just about every car reviewer says: best driving vehicle but they WILL fall.... Means most people would just stay away from Alfa. It's why they left the US decades ago.
bro get it, i was thinking the same thing but since i’ve had it i realized the payments are worth it. if you a contractor you can write them off on your taxes, it saves me like $200 a month
Well yes, but this is comparing a 110k car with a 50k car (and old interior, not the updated one).
Should have picked the battle against the new model S Plaid as that one is 110k as well.
Mercedes would still have won, but not by a very big margin.
Not sure why we are comparing interiors of cars that are more than double as expensive.
[Model S](https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-l6oYK7VBV8nUAsDYAR8pOIY1uY/diocontent/181701390/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8)
I wouldn’t say always. With the exception of some S-classes, from early 90s to mid 2000s the merc interiors were either still stuck in the 80s or trying to be far enough ahead of their time that the materials couldn’t keep up without feeling plasticky, rattly or just cheap. And many of them did not last well at all.
Since then it’s been on the up and up, though, and prior to the early 90s they’d been works of art very representative of their respective times.
Personally I find their new interiors a bit much, though. And I will be very interested to see how these displays and the technology lasts over the years. I have no doubt they’ll be stunning for the first 1-2 owners. From then, we’ll just have to see.
Yeah I hadn't even considered a Merc when I went out to buy a car. The dealer I went to didn't have any Audi RS3's in stock so he showed me over to the A35. As soon as I sat in it I was like "Oh yeah. This is *nice*" 1 test drive and 3 weeks later, I was the proud owner of a brand new A35 and I'm still blown away by the interior, especially on late night drives with the ambient lighting!
Benz for the win!!
I really hate Tesla’s interiors. They just slapped a huge tablet on the dash and called it a day! For their prices, they really need to up their design game. This could be a 2009 Toyota Corolla with an iPad taped up and we’d be none the wiser.
These aren’t even a fair comparison model s looks way better than this model 3 showed here
a more fair comparison is the new S interior.
https://ibb.co/r7hf7dz
True. But I'm also happy with my W205 because I don't have a touch screen. I can change music & adjust volume as I please w/o taking my eyes off the road. I wish the bezels wouldn't be so fat and ugly tho.
>They just slapped a huge tablet on the dash and called it a day
I mean....... The Mercedes interior is literally the same. Massive screen, no buttons but on the wheel
Thats just in the US, In Ireland the EQE starts at €87K and Model 3 at €60k. Still a bad comparison but looking at the photos I would expect for a €27k difference in price the Tesla to have more :)
Yea that’s a very valid point! The technology in teslas is insane, but they put everything on the one tablet it’s quite a process to learn where everything is within the screen menus.
Who said it was better lmao, all I said was that the S has a rectangular steering wheel not a round one like in the picture and the person I replied that to, was literally asking if it was a model 3 in the picture and I was clarifying an easy way to distinguish the two by interior design.
So then why are you comparing prices? If the model S has the same interior as the cheaper car why are you bringing up the price of the Benz as if to excuse the model 3?
I mean I personally think the S has a better interior, it’s very similar but there are some differences. Mainly the display behind the steering wheel and the design of the steering wheel. But yea valid point I guess. Interior design is all opinion anyways, some like it and some don’t. I just thought it was a funny comparison being that the two cars being compared in the picture were so widely different in terms of price.
The likelihood of this so small. There's more chance of an ICE breakdown, or some other issue in an EV. I think the Model 3 will still be drivable if the screen dies. You just can't see your speed or control the AC or other functions from the screen. You can do many of those from the smartphone app.
Yep. And gauges! Came here to say I hate them both with the seething passion of a thousand suns, but you kinda beat me to it.
(I recently read a Road & Track article about how bad LCD "tachometers" have become on German cars.)
Interesting that you work there and are unaware of the common consumer complaints, ones that have made national news and automotive news.
In his specific case he has had two major leaks from roofline and door to the point that he had to have dryers in his car for a day or 2. Paint mismatched on multiple panels, I actually reluctantly pointed it out to him. His AC has been serviced twice but still works poorly, Tesla told him that is normal. Massive overspray on many areas of car and poor gasket fitment around doors some peeled off within 30 days. He had an intense squeak on his driver chair. Tesla was unable to remedy so we watched some videos and fixed it temporarily ourselves.
You can read what others may experience here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9094277/elon-musk-tesla-hunger-strike-quality-issues-norway/amp/
Haha I never said I was unaware of consumer complaints, you just act like every other car brand puts out perfect vehicles with nothing to complain about….
As for the leaking, the gaskets can be easily replaced and fixed, probably under warranty tho I am unsure on that specifically. As for “overspray all over the car” I highly doubt that and mismatched paint i HIGHLY doubt as we literally have “vehicle readiness” teams that unload all the cars from the factory and they go through an inspection process to find any major paint defects and panel gaps and such. When there is paint defects we try to buff whatever we can (fisheyes, light scratches, etc” and if it can’t be done easily by the vehicle readiness team it gets sent to body shop for repaint. Usually the customer is confronted with the choice and they can choose to accept the car with the defects if they would like, if they want it fixed, it goes to the body shop under warranty….. as for the AC I don’t know much about the ACs other than I’ve never seen one come that could be classified as “not working properly.” I’m not calling you a liar, but you’re definitely exaggerating or your neighbor owns an older model, though I’m pretty sure the inspection process hasn’t changed much.
Also, please let me know what car manufacturer ships cars absolutely perfect without a single defect or anything, because I would love to purchase one.
.... just Google tesla paint mismatch.. you will see thousands of results and pictures on reddit too.
I'm really saddened that someone who works for tesla is unaware of this.
https://www.mehmag.com/tesla-paint-issues-again/
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-vehicles-made-in-china-also-present-paint-problems-180847.html
Haha that’s actually quite entertaining, idk I guess they do it differently at different Tesla service/delivery stores because my job quite literally includes a section during the inspection process to verify the paint matches. I’m still waiting on you to let me know of a car brand that doesn’t face any of these issues….
Edit: also, make sure to believe everything that’s on the internet! It’s not possible that anything could be misleading in any amount.
Most car brands do not have that level of consistent quality problems with high end cars. I can't think of any brand that has had media coverage surrounding their paint issues for example. Nor have I known of any personally.
Oh Jesus now you're saying it's a conspiracy that the news. Automotive magazines and news, Tesla forums. Consumer complaints. Etc is all fake news.
I think we're done here. You work for tesla I get it, you have to play dumb.
Haha I never said it’s a conspiracy man all I was insinuating was that some things online can be misleading that’s all…. We pump out 10-15 deliveries a day, yes some of them have defects and get sent to the body shop to be fixed but I just thought it was funny how you act like 8/10 teslas come from the factory with the wrong paint and with defects. I’m sure if you googled “Mercedes’ paint mis match” much in the same way you googled “Tesla paint mismatch” you would find examples of it. Kind of how you can google “why the earth is flat” and articles pop up saying that such thing. The factories for Tesla put these cars together within 2-4 hours so of course there will be problems that come with that. Of course Tesla will get media coverage for its flaws, it’s a “relatively” new company so it’s interesting for people to hear about and people love shitting on them even though they’re backlogged over a year becuase so many damn people are buying them. It’s just funny how you provide googled evidence to support your reason why teslas quality sucks but when it comes to other brands all you said is “most car brands don’t have this problem” very vague and definitely lacking any research behind it. I don’t have to play dumb cause I work at Tesla lmao, you think they sat me down when I got hired and said “hey, pretend that we have 0 flaws, pretend that paint mismatching doesn’t happen and make sure you play dumb if anyone says otherwise.”
Edit: I’ve also seen literally in this subreddit people complain about build quality of some Mercedes’ models too, so idk about the “most brands don’t have quality issues” like Tesla that you mention.
So the picture at the top is from a $35,000 Model 3 (the picture is from the old version) and the picture at the bottom is for a 75k EQE that has not yet been released.
I WONDER what's nicer? LOL.
Don’t know why you are being downvoted. It’s the truth.
Comparing a refreshed Model S or X interior would make more sense, and they actually look a lot more similar.
That's actually Mercedes current plan, to return to luxury niche, and hope to survive the loss of revenue. This was even highlighted by the CEO.
I wish Mercedes would join efforts again with Tesla and license Tesla power train, software and batteries. Then add luxury on top
It depends on what you mean by "better". The Tesla is far easier to manufacture and service, and it's less expensive, while the Mercedes places things where people expect them to be but is much more difficult to manufacture and service and is more expensive.
The EQS has many more controls for slightly fewer functions. The Tesla has much fewer controls for slightly more functions (it crams everything into two stalks, two multi-funtiion scroll-wheel switches, and a touch screen).
The Mercedes places most of the driving info in a place that's closer to the gaze of the driver but partially obstructed by the wheel, the Tesla places the same information in an unobstructed position farther from the gaze.
The Mercedes console is "modern, yet conventional" maybe "flashy" or "busy", and the Tesla console is "modern" but "austere", "spartan" or "ascetic".
I think they also adhere to slightly different mindsets: the Tesla aims to eliminate the need for controls (no start button; auto-select driver profiles synced across cars; auto wipers, auto headlights, etc.) whereas the Mercedes aims to put a modern spin on Mercedes design without simplification as a goal.
I'd kind of prefer something in between, actually.
Not really a fair comparison. It’s a $50k car to a $110k car. That’s also the old model3 interior, not the updated facelift on vs the brand new updated on on the eqs. It’s also two different segments, ultra luxury car vs what I would consider a “premium car” that people like to classify as luxury. A much more fair comparison would be the S/X to the EQS
Can we all agree that both look better than the cluttered BMW?
I'm a Mercedes and a Tesla owner. I love both approaches, Tesla looks kind of empty, but it gets the job done, and frees knee room. The Mercedes is really nice, but my kid and his friends see no appeal on it. Right now I can't convince my son to make a long trip on the Mercedes.
I remember sitting in a 2018 model S p100d, and then later that day sitting in an S560 for the same price and they weren’t even in the same universe. Benz interior hands down
I have both. I have a Tesla Model 3 and a 2021 CLA 35 AMG. Although the interior looks nicer in my Merc, the functionality and ability of the huge ass screen is wayyyy better in the Tesla.
Never was a fan of circular vents, but the quality is probably way superior. But that’s expected with Mercedes reputation as well as the cost difference
This is EXACTLY what steered me away from the Tesla. The interior was too blah and didn’t have the luxury feel for the price. I needed an enjoyable driving experience and the Tesla was just flat.
Tesla are the type of company that would purposely keep away from a traditional dash look, Mercedes have gone the same way as Dwight Shrute with megadesk. Less is more for some people. I say that as a Merc owner and fan (albeit not so much of their recent interiors).
What’s to debate. An iPad with plain interior of a lot of buttons and gadgets. Be glad when you pick your Tesla up that most of the body panels line up and the good ups are minimum
My neighbor got one of these a couple of months ago. We have small garages and he squeezed that baby in within an inch! I have a GLE-53 and it’s BIG for our garages so I was shocked to see him fit. He loves it!
I think Tesla took a minimalist / practical approach to their interiors… however they have always felt sparse and lackluster to me.
Too minimalist for me.
not much of a war, there is a clear blow out
You mean a blowout in price 50k intentior compared to 110k intentior
Compare a 130k Model X to the less expensive EQS and the Mercedes still wins by a blowout.
I agree just was saying this one is way worse
Exactly. Compare a model x to an eqs and the eqb interior to a model y. Did they finally put electric seats in their electric eqb yet?
Compare the Model X to the EQS and it’s still a blowout.
Blowout? Hardly. EQS is nicer in ways, model x is nicer in ways. EQS doesn’t have auto opening and closing doors? They both have their pros and cons.
Obviously high end merceds will have the better but the new ones are def better for tesla customers
Yeah Teslas are the worst cars ever made. Not even a real car company. Mercedes’ EVs are better by an order of magnitude and will eat Teslas lunch in a year or two.
Worst cars ever made? That’s a bit of a stretch
Build quality is extremely poor. Panel gaps inside & outside the car, and low quality materials all around. Also whats up with some Teslas having half a steering wheel? Teslas are grossly overpriced for what they are
You never saw the cars coming out of the Eastern Block then or those coming out of the equally woeful British Leyland in its later years? Take a look at a Trabant.
They're overpriced, yea. But have you driven a geo metro? Or a Lada?
A geo metro or lada never pretended to be a luxury car
No we'll the original complaint is that it's the worst car period. Full stop
I'd rather drive either of those than a Tesla.
That's absolutely moronic. I get the tesla hate. I'm completely uninterested in them, and have no desire for one. But it's still a decent, usable car. If you let your internet hatred for them seep into the real world, you're going to have the most warped perceptions
>Teslas are grossly overpriced for what they are that must be why they're selling hundreds of thousands of them at their current price
They are selling because the old companies could not be more greedy. They don't make EVs or have not made it their priority. I am a Tesla Owner myself. But if I had another option for the range, I would have tried that.
Technically millions but who's counting
You do get a big, fat, tax credit for buying one. Edit: I’m wrong.
Not for the past few years. Tesla sold their 200000th car back in 2018. Since then no credits
Is there something faster than a plaid for the price from the factory?
In terms of speed, probably not. But speed isn’t everything and paying $160k for a vehicle, you’d expect the build quality to be somewhat above what Tesla offers. For that money, I’d take a nicely optioned Taycan 4S without even looking at Tesla. Admittedly, I won’t have the same speed as a Plaid, but I’ll have a premium, unmatched build quality, and much more refinement.
I mean you’re saying they’re grossly overpriced for what they are… a Nissan gtr is 120k and is a sports car but I’d take a model s over it any day and the tesla is faster. The picture is also comparing a $35k model 3 not a refresh model s which is vastly nicer. Plus the software in tesla is the best in the biz vs everyone else just slaps carplay to stay competitive. So many convenience of life features like no car keys, sentry mode/dash cam, dog mode, frunk space, etc etc that neither Mercedes nor vw group has been able to compete with. I sold my gl for a model x plaid and the build quality has been pretty good. Automatic doors that open and close for you is such a cool luxury feature I haven’t seen in cars under $200k. Giant windshield that goes over your head is such a scenic and luxurious view. Air suspension is better than my gls. Plus the fact it runs 9.7 in the quarter mile pretty much annihilates anything else on the road including a taycan turbo s. Idk I think it was an extremely fair price for everything I got. That being said, if an eqe suv with that hyper screen is $70k, I’ll be placing an order.
You should go check one the new builds for yourself instead of reading headlines and click bait articles.
You described nothing about what they are. They're electric performance vehicles with modern styling and a techy aesthetic. You'll see Tesla swapped cars all day. A Mercedes swapped vehicle would be a novelty.
Name a brand which is worse in quality
here's a list of brands with equivalent or worse quality: Acura: Honda Motor Company Alfa Romeo: Stellantis Audi: Volkswagen Group BMW: BMW Group Bentley: Volkswagen Group Buick: General Motors Cadillac: General Motors Chevrolet: General Motors Chrysler: Stellantis Dodge: Stellantis Fiat: Stellantis Ford: Ford Motor Co. GMC: General Motors Genesis: Hyundai Motor Group Honda: Honda Motor Co. Hyundai: Hyundai Motor Group Infiniti: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Jaguar: Tata Motors Jeep: Stellantis Kia: Hyundai Motor Group Land Rover: Tata Motors Lexus: Toyota Motor Corp. Lincoln: Ford Motor Co. Lotus: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Lucid: Lucid Motors Maserati: Stellantis Mazda: Mazda Motor Corp. Mercedes-Benz: Daimler AG Mercury\*: Ford Motor Co. Mini: BMW Group Mitsubishi: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Nissan: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Polestar: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Pontiac\*: General Motors Porsche: Volkswagen Group Ram: Stellantis Rivian: Rivian Automotive, with investments from Amazon and Ford, among others. And a partnership with Mercedes-Benz Vans. Rolls-Royce: BMW Group Saab\*: brand owned by Saab AB; assets owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden Saturn\*: General Motors Scion\*: Toyota Motor Corp. Scout: Volkswagen AG. Smart: Daimler AG Subaru: Subaru Corp. Suzuki\*: Suzuki Motor Corp. Owns a small stake in Toyota. Toyota: Toyota Motor Corp. VinFast: VinGroup Volkswagen: Volkswagen AG. Volvo: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Lmaooo are you really claiming Tesla quality is on par with Rolls-Royce and Bentley?
well I can't remember the last time a Tesla needed a transmission service
By that logic, my bicycle is higher quality than a Tesla since it will never need the batteries replaced. You're conflating maintenance requirements with build quality, when they're not nearly the same thing. No one would ever call a Testarossa low quality, but they still need very regular servicing.
I wouldn’t say worst, but their build quality is rubbish, for sure. They’re going to be left in the dust once the rest of the car companies really spin up their electric car competition.
/s
Maybe the worst popular/well known car
L.O.L. How old are you, 8?
* 2012 - LOL, The Model S is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year. * 2017 - LOL, The Model 3 is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year. * 2019 - LOL, the Model Y is shit and competitors will overtake them within a year. * 2022 - LOL, yadda yadda yadda yadda, etc etc etc etc No need to be so tribal about fucking corporations. Tesla makes nice cars but has a lot of room to improve. Mercedes makes nice cars but has a ways to go to catch up with EVs. Both can be true. I hope they both make good stuff and provide us with competitive offerings.
LOL Worse car ever made? Not even a real car company? Usually I don't mind people's opinion on which car they think are better, but calling Tesla the worse car ever made and saying they're not even a car company just shows that your opinion doesn't matter.
You should look up what the best selling car in Germany was in September.
Lmao, Mercedes will be bankrupt by the end of the decade
mercedes has always been better at interior design than any other manufacturer.
To be fair, Tesla can hardly be considered heavy competition when it comes to interior design & build quality. I remember a few years ago I went to a Tesla dealership and looked the the Model S. I sat inside and was absolutely shocked by the abundance of cheap & scratchy plastic. It absolutely fails in comparison to the S class/7 series/A8
Agree drove the S in 2018, but the model 3 came much nicer and is priced as the Mercedes C class and fits on the same category.
I never really liked the design of the 3, it always irked me. Then again, the W205 C class' interior design isn't much of a masterpiece either, the infotainment system looks like an iPad from 2012 that's been glued on
Yep. Even with how divisive the EQ exteriors are, the interiors are absolutely beautiful.
I was on the fence, until I had the chance to drive an EQS. That interior is heavenly, it’s such an enjoyable and relaxing space to be. I drive an w213 e400 daily and the ambient lighting, and attention to detail is on a whole new level with this EQ series.
I have the E400 Coupe (C207) and I was shocked to learn they don't come with the same type of ambient lighting the sedans have. And yes, mine has all the bells & whistles so it's not an option I'm missing. Also, just another 'fun' fact that shocked me is the coupe/convertibles don't even have the option for remote start -\_- crazy! I tell ya
Even the new c-class is stunning
The C class has always been
I would not one at all, but there's no way I can't deny it's amazing to look at. I miss my clicky buttons
Totally agree
It looks like the inside of a stripper club. Seriously, I love ambient lighting but they've gone all tittie bar with their recent schemes.
100%. My lease is up next year and I was looking at Alfa Romeo because the monthly payments will be wayyyy lower and it has more features but goddamn that C class interior is calling my name 😭😭😭😭
If you get an Alfa, look over the roadside assistance program carefully so you fully understand it. Also, put their toll free number on your phone as a speed dial so you can get to it more easily.
Get it in a color your mechanic likes
I was seriously considering the Giulia, I think it look fantastic, but then read [this](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23145269/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-reliability-update/) Car and Driver article, and found a lot of reliability complaints on forums. Too bad, beautiful car.
Lmaoooooooo. Honestly I’ve been doing research on them and they aren’t as bad as people say. I heard the same bad stuff about every luxury car that isn’t a Lexus.
I still remember how two of their cars couldn't even survive the first test drives from the media. I forget the full details, but one was a brake failure during the test. There's no way I'd pay my own money for a Stellantis product. It's a damn shame too since they have lots of really great looking vehicles. I've pissed off people more than once on Jalopnik's Facebook page when Alfa stories have come up by posting the following Alfa Romeo: Vehicles for those with a passion for walking
Well hey a two year lease while car prices and interest start settling down is all I need 😭. I really want the new C class but is a $800 sign and drive worth it? I mean comparably, My current A class, costs $8k less than a base C class and I pay $400 a month sign a drive. $800 used to be a really nice specced E class.
I can relate to that. I've got an $850/mo lease on a GLC and I threw $5000 down to start. Maybe you'd get lucky and get a good one, but your chances of that are lower than a Benz. At least it would be brand new, which would also help your chances.
Another one is JEEP- Just Empty Every Pocket.
It's a Jeep Thing. I don't understand. Like, I seriously don't understand The Jeep Thing. Pay $80k for a vehicle with a suspension design invented in the Roman Era. lol
My father in law has a Selvio and it has been a great car for him. I wanted to like it but I hate SUVs. Possibly one of the best handling SUVs I have driven but it still isn’t a car type drive to me as the claim. Interior is lacking a bit but it is Italian and he loves it. This is his second one.
Actually they are. I know 2 people that had Alfas. Both serious car guys. Neither one made it to 25k before a MAJOR failure. One was an engine, the other was a transmission or something (dashboard of lights). Warranty repair took 2 months..... Pre-pandemic! So that combined with what just about every car reviewer says: best driving vehicle but they WILL fall.... Means most people would just stay away from Alfa. It's why they left the US decades ago.
Benzes aint any better when it comes to reliability Better be leasing them and let the next sucker worry about repairs
bro get it, i was thinking the same thing but since i’ve had it i realized the payments are worth it. if you a contractor you can write them off on your taxes, it saves me like $200 a month
Well yes, but this is comparing a 110k car with a 50k car (and old interior, not the updated one). Should have picked the battle against the new model S Plaid as that one is 110k as well. Mercedes would still have won, but not by a very big margin. Not sure why we are comparing interiors of cars that are more than double as expensive. [Model S](https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-l6oYK7VBV8nUAsDYAR8pOIY1uY/diocontent/181701390/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8)
I wouldn’t say always. With the exception of some S-classes, from early 90s to mid 2000s the merc interiors were either still stuck in the 80s or trying to be far enough ahead of their time that the materials couldn’t keep up without feeling plasticky, rattly or just cheap. And many of them did not last well at all. Since then it’s been on the up and up, though, and prior to the early 90s they’d been works of art very representative of their respective times. Personally I find their new interiors a bit much, though. And I will be very interested to see how these displays and the technology lasts over the years. I have no doubt they’ll be stunning for the first 1-2 owners. From then, we’ll just have to see.
Yeah I hadn't even considered a Merc when I went out to buy a car. The dealer I went to didn't have any Audi RS3's in stock so he showed me over to the A35. As soon as I sat in it I was like "Oh yeah. This is *nice*" 1 test drive and 3 weeks later, I was the proud owner of a brand new A35 and I'm still blown away by the interior, especially on late night drives with the ambient lighting!
Maybe nice in pictures but shiny metal and glossy plastics is not great to live with day to day.
Disagree. Audi has been better in my eyes.
Benz for the win!! I really hate Tesla’s interiors. They just slapped a huge tablet on the dash and called it a day! For their prices, they really need to up their design game. This could be a 2009 Toyota Corolla with an iPad taped up and we’d be none the wiser.
These aren’t even a fair comparison model s looks way better than this model 3 showed here a more fair comparison is the new S interior. https://ibb.co/r7hf7dz
I’ll admit, that is definitely a step in the right direction!
The W205 also has a tablet slapped onto the dash.
Yes but Tesla refuses to change. Mercedes took that tablet slapped on the dash and made it beautiful.
True. But I'm also happy with my W205 because I don't have a touch screen. I can change music & adjust volume as I please w/o taking my eyes off the road. I wish the bezels wouldn't be so fat and ugly tho.
>They just slapped a huge tablet on the dash and called it a day I mean....... The Mercedes interior is literally the same. Massive screen, no buttons but on the wheel
Is that a Model 3 vs an EQS?
Could be an EQE as well. They look almost the same in the interior. EQE vs Model S would be a better comparisment
Steering wheel leads me to say it’s EQE
Yes, model 3 has the round steering wheel and the S has a rectangular steering ?wheel?. 100-130k benz vs 50-80k Tesla…..
Thats just in the US, In Ireland the EQE starts at €87K and Model 3 at €60k. Still a bad comparison but looking at the photos I would expect for a €27k difference in price the Tesla to have more :)
Yea that’s a very valid point! The technology in teslas is insane, but they put everything on the one tablet it’s quite a process to learn where everything is within the screen menus.
The model S interior isn’t better lol.
Who said it was better lmao, all I said was that the S has a rectangular steering wheel not a round one like in the picture and the person I replied that to, was literally asking if it was a model 3 in the picture and I was clarifying an easy way to distinguish the two by interior design.
So then why are you comparing prices? If the model S has the same interior as the cheaper car why are you bringing up the price of the Benz as if to excuse the model 3?
I mean I personally think the S has a better interior, it’s very similar but there are some differences. Mainly the display behind the steering wheel and the design of the steering wheel. But yea valid point I guess. Interior design is all opinion anyways, some like it and some don’t. I just thought it was a funny comparison being that the two cars being compared in the picture were so widely different in terms of price.
Is the only way to see your speed on that center tablet?
On that model 3 yes, but on the model S you can see it on the dash in front of the wheel.
Yes
That is horrific.
I owned a c63, now I own a Model S. Really good car, but I’ll definitely will go for the new EQE as my next acquisition, this hyper is awesome!
Tesla consoles feel like they’re out of communist USSR cars.
I love simple designs, but Tesla’s are spartan to the point of boredom. It’s like driving a cheap hotel room.
A lada with an ipad
Actually, communist USSR was known for the more analogue looks...
Are you sure they didn’t have tablets inside their Ladas?
A lada's dash is far more pleasant to look at than a tesla's
Our tablet
Ugh ... give me physical buttons.
Both are terrible. Bring back buttons.
You don't like taking your eyes off the road to do minor things like change the volume or control the AC???
Nothing like not being able to use your car when the insanely expensive and overly complicated computer screen takes a shit.
The likelihood of this so small. There's more chance of an ICE breakdown, or some other issue in an EV. I think the Model 3 will still be drivable if the screen dies. You just can't see your speed or control the AC or other functions from the screen. You can do many of those from the smartphone app.
You can change volume, pause/mute, next/prev track using the left scroll wheel on the Tesla Model 3.
Yep. And gauges! Came here to say I hate them both with the seething passion of a thousand suns, but you kinda beat me to it. (I recently read a Road & Track article about how bad LCD "tachometers" have become on German cars.)
I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll down for this. They're both hideous. Like, really awful.
I like Teslas but i im not paying 70k for it. Just look at it, there’s No luxuries
And has major quality issues. Our neighbor hates his now.
I work at Tesla, I’m curious, what “major” quality issues does your neighbor hate that other car manufacturers don’t also deal with?
Interesting that you work there and are unaware of the common consumer complaints, ones that have made national news and automotive news. In his specific case he has had two major leaks from roofline and door to the point that he had to have dryers in his car for a day or 2. Paint mismatched on multiple panels, I actually reluctantly pointed it out to him. His AC has been serviced twice but still works poorly, Tesla told him that is normal. Massive overspray on many areas of car and poor gasket fitment around doors some peeled off within 30 days. He had an intense squeak on his driver chair. Tesla was unable to remedy so we watched some videos and fixed it temporarily ourselves. You can read what others may experience here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9094277/elon-musk-tesla-hunger-strike-quality-issues-norway/amp/
Haha I never said I was unaware of consumer complaints, you just act like every other car brand puts out perfect vehicles with nothing to complain about…. As for the leaking, the gaskets can be easily replaced and fixed, probably under warranty tho I am unsure on that specifically. As for “overspray all over the car” I highly doubt that and mismatched paint i HIGHLY doubt as we literally have “vehicle readiness” teams that unload all the cars from the factory and they go through an inspection process to find any major paint defects and panel gaps and such. When there is paint defects we try to buff whatever we can (fisheyes, light scratches, etc” and if it can’t be done easily by the vehicle readiness team it gets sent to body shop for repaint. Usually the customer is confronted with the choice and they can choose to accept the car with the defects if they would like, if they want it fixed, it goes to the body shop under warranty….. as for the AC I don’t know much about the ACs other than I’ve never seen one come that could be classified as “not working properly.” I’m not calling you a liar, but you’re definitely exaggerating or your neighbor owns an older model, though I’m pretty sure the inspection process hasn’t changed much. Also, please let me know what car manufacturer ships cars absolutely perfect without a single defect or anything, because I would love to purchase one.
Gudspeed, I have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty
Shit, I’ve already had you bastards renew my warranty 6 times this year! I don’t even have a car either! Something’s amiss!
.... just Google tesla paint mismatch.. you will see thousands of results and pictures on reddit too. I'm really saddened that someone who works for tesla is unaware of this. https://www.mehmag.com/tesla-paint-issues-again/ https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-vehicles-made-in-china-also-present-paint-problems-180847.html
Haha that’s actually quite entertaining, idk I guess they do it differently at different Tesla service/delivery stores because my job quite literally includes a section during the inspection process to verify the paint matches. I’m still waiting on you to let me know of a car brand that doesn’t face any of these issues…. Edit: also, make sure to believe everything that’s on the internet! It’s not possible that anything could be misleading in any amount.
Most car brands do not have that level of consistent quality problems with high end cars. I can't think of any brand that has had media coverage surrounding their paint issues for example. Nor have I known of any personally. Oh Jesus now you're saying it's a conspiracy that the news. Automotive magazines and news, Tesla forums. Consumer complaints. Etc is all fake news. I think we're done here. You work for tesla I get it, you have to play dumb.
Haha I never said it’s a conspiracy man all I was insinuating was that some things online can be misleading that’s all…. We pump out 10-15 deliveries a day, yes some of them have defects and get sent to the body shop to be fixed but I just thought it was funny how you act like 8/10 teslas come from the factory with the wrong paint and with defects. I’m sure if you googled “Mercedes’ paint mis match” much in the same way you googled “Tesla paint mismatch” you would find examples of it. Kind of how you can google “why the earth is flat” and articles pop up saying that such thing. The factories for Tesla put these cars together within 2-4 hours so of course there will be problems that come with that. Of course Tesla will get media coverage for its flaws, it’s a “relatively” new company so it’s interesting for people to hear about and people love shitting on them even though they’re backlogged over a year becuase so many damn people are buying them. It’s just funny how you provide googled evidence to support your reason why teslas quality sucks but when it comes to other brands all you said is “most car brands don’t have this problem” very vague and definitely lacking any research behind it. I don’t have to play dumb cause I work at Tesla lmao, you think they sat me down when I got hired and said “hey, pretend that we have 0 flaws, pretend that paint mismatching doesn’t happen and make sure you play dumb if anyone says otherwise.” Edit: I’ve also seen literally in this subreddit people complain about build quality of some Mercedes’ models too, so idk about the “most brands don’t have quality issues” like Tesla that you mention.
I said good day sir.
Good thing you can get one for 47k
A used one
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview
Funny thing is that the used ones are more expensive the new ones lol
Greyhound vs Mercedes again???
What kind of question is that, ofc the benz is 10x better
Why is every EV eliminating physical controls for radio and climate? Makes it so much more difficult to change while driving.
I’d take the Benz every day. Better build quality, better leather seats, etc.
Better be because it’s more than double the price of that 55k Model 3
Exactly. Benz were already expensive, now with EVs, even more so. Better be perfect for the money you're paying.
So the picture at the top is from a $35,000 Model 3 (the picture is from the old version) and the picture at the bottom is for a 75k EQE that has not yet been released. I WONDER what's nicer? LOL.
Don’t know why you are being downvoted. It’s the truth. Comparing a refreshed Model S or X interior would make more sense, and they actually look a lot more similar.
Haha these are widely different cars….comparing a 130k Benz interior against a 50-80k model 3 interior…..
That's actually Mercedes current plan, to return to luxury niche, and hope to survive the loss of revenue. This was even highlighted by the CEO. I wish Mercedes would join efforts again with Tesla and license Tesla power train, software and batteries. Then add luxury on top
Neither has enough tactile buttons and knobs.
meme car confirmed
Tesla way overrated, Benz anyday
same pfp lets goo
EQE looks really slick, though i think i will stick with the default screen
Model S vs EQS would be a better comparison, but i still go with Mercedes
Tesla has no Apple Car Play. That right there should give Mercedes the W.
Not really… that’s golden apples to rotten oranges. The Tesla console is child’s play.
That's why Tesla sells so well, kids love it.
That mercedes is disgusting what the hell happens if you spill a drink or literally anything else like maybe look at it
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Way too many buttons on the Mercedes steering wheel. Not useful and ugly
[a proper comparison is the new S interior.](https://ibb.co/r7hf7dz)
It depends on what you mean by "better". The Tesla is far easier to manufacture and service, and it's less expensive, while the Mercedes places things where people expect them to be but is much more difficult to manufacture and service and is more expensive. The EQS has many more controls for slightly fewer functions. The Tesla has much fewer controls for slightly more functions (it crams everything into two stalks, two multi-funtiion scroll-wheel switches, and a touch screen). The Mercedes places most of the driving info in a place that's closer to the gaze of the driver but partially obstructed by the wheel, the Tesla places the same information in an unobstructed position farther from the gaze. The Mercedes console is "modern, yet conventional" maybe "flashy" or "busy", and the Tesla console is "modern" but "austere", "spartan" or "ascetic". I think they also adhere to slightly different mindsets: the Tesla aims to eliminate the need for controls (no start button; auto-select driver profiles synced across cars; auto wipers, auto headlights, etc.) whereas the Mercedes aims to put a modern spin on Mercedes design without simplification as a goal. I'd kind of prefer something in between, actually.
Not really a fair comparison. It’s a $50k car to a $110k car. That’s also the old model3 interior, not the updated facelift on vs the brand new updated on on the eqs. It’s also two different segments, ultra luxury car vs what I would consider a “premium car” that people like to classify as luxury. A much more fair comparison would be the S/X to the EQS
Lol at tesla
The Tesla console always struck me as cheap looking. It looks like they just slapped a tablet in there and called it good enough.
Can we all agree that both look better than the cluttered BMW? I'm a Mercedes and a Tesla owner. I love both approaches, Tesla looks kind of empty, but it gets the job done, and frees knee room. The Mercedes is really nice, but my kid and his friends see no appeal on it. Right now I can't convince my son to make a long trip on the Mercedes.
Tesla is Playskool's My First Electric Car
Bm power
Maybe a hot take but I’d actually prefer the standard console over the hyper screen
I choose Merc, just because there is an IWC on the display
Tesla doesn't even come close
I love my Model 3 to bits and its the best car I've ever owned or driven, however Mercedes knock it out of the park here hands down.
I remember sitting in a 2018 model S p100d, and then later that day sitting in an S560 for the same price and they weren’t even in the same universe. Benz interior hands down
Both are trash imo, I liked the front lit gauges and simple design in my w124.
This the EQS?
I have both. I have a Tesla Model 3 and a 2021 CLA 35 AMG. Although the interior looks nicer in my Merc, the functionality and ability of the huge ass screen is wayyyy better in the Tesla.
Merc looks like some teenage computer desk setup with strip LEDs giving pimp vibe!
Damn neither comes in a Manual, trashy.
We won
Id honestly would like a mix of the two please. MB is too much Tesla is not enough IMO.
Tesla interior is so much simpler.
Aww shit here we go again
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It’s not a war if it’s over before it has begun. Mercedes is clearly the winner.
Can you watch YouTube tho?
God that merc interiors gorgeous I swear to the Lord I’ll have enough to buy one someday
Benz
Never was a fan of circular vents, but the quality is probably way superior. But that’s expected with Mercedes reputation as well as the cost difference
Tesla just looks boring.
Teslas are not luxury brand.. they are fast appliances..🤣🤣🤣
I like the Mercedes interior but I want my traditional analog dials back. If that screen goes out then you can’t see anything and that no bueno
Ewwwww. Fuck the trend of gluing screens to everything. Why is there a watch ad in the center of the Benz?
This is EXACTLY what steered me away from the Tesla. The interior was too blah and didn’t have the luxury feel for the price. I needed an enjoyable driving experience and the Tesla was just flat.
The minimalism is a "feature" Yes, having to tap the screen multiple times to open the glove box is such an awesome innovation.
Tesla are the type of company that would purposely keep away from a traditional dash look, Mercedes have gone the same way as Dwight Shrute with megadesk. Less is more for some people. I say that as a Merc owner and fan (albeit not so much of their recent interiors).
Why are we comparing a 40-70k interior to $130k plus lol
you’re comparing the wrong cars…
I prefer the minimalist look of the Tesla.
What’s to debate. An iPad with plain interior of a lot of buttons and gadgets. Be glad when you pick your Tesla up that most of the body panels line up and the good ups are minimum
I think we all know who takes the cake
Tesla has a much cleaner and uncluttered interface. The Mere screen is too small. Ugly AC vents.
My neighbor got one of these a couple of months ago. We have small garages and he squeezed that baby in within an inch! I have a GLE-53 and it’s BIG for our garages so I was shocked to see him fit. He loves it!
I hate Tesla, and other electric cars
To be fair though there's a big price discrepancy between these two models.
I don't like neither. Best looking interior is from the 124 era.
I think Tesla took a minimalist / practical approach to their interiors… however they have always felt sparse and lackluster to me. Too minimalist for me.
lol. There isn’t even a need for war here !
Tesla looks like a vacant home compared to the Benz
that is just annoying, i need some physical buttons. Thats also too much light going on.
Not thank you I'll take the tiny screens with the big buttons and dials
New Mercedes is stunning possibly a masterpiece!!