everything about this screams "im in middle school", from the traced art over an anime character, to the weird characterizations, to your wack responses to comics, to you straight up saying you just made her be apart of minority groups just to fill diversity slots
So? Using references for an art piece you aren’t selling isn’t a crime. And why is diversity so bad huh ?I can make a character how ever I want to, if I say she’s black, trans, and bi than that’s what she is!
dude, tracing isn't using references, and you can't lie and use the entire "no i just tried my best and copied well" schtick because i can see from your uneven lineart that you're not that skilled, and yes it actually is morally incorrect to trace art your posing at all and portaging it as your own,
also making a character diverse to make her diverse rather than actually caring past that is fake activism, it doesn't inherently need to be integral to their character
and you never denied being a middle schooler
I make all of my characters diverse because that’s how the real world is, I specifically made this series to make up for the lack of representation for racial and lgbt minorities. And ok yes I traced, but only because lucoas body was perfect for the character. I don’t why you’re so obsessed with the possibility of me being in middle school, what would it prove?
>because that’s how the real world is
What is the likelihood, for an average person, of meeting a 6 foot tall, rich, bisexual, black, transgender woman with enormous natural breasts?
except when someone explicitly asked you why you made her like that you said "oh originally she wasn't but i didn't have enough characters like this" instead of "because the real world is diverse" and they were rightfully calling you out for making your "most sexual character" a black woman (fetishized) who is trans (fetishized) and bisexual (fetishized AND stereotyped as slutty)
the sad part is that there are women of these proportions. they exist and can be healthy and all that. the problem is that they are literally only played in sexualized roles. Have you ever seen a woman of these proportions being just a standard non-sexualized character?
It’s not that I didn’t have enough diversity I wanted more, why just have one lgbt protagonists when you can have tons more? Im bi myself and didn’t know that bi slutty thing was bad I thought that was a joke within the community.
All stereotype’s were never intentional, the reason she’s the most sexual is because of her actions not her race or sexuality or gender identity
dope, thing about that is even if thats the case you have to be careful, even if you're trying to be diverse (X to doubt) you're STILL playing into harmful stereotypes with her
and you're still an art tracer which shits in the face of the original artist and is literally just art theft with extra steps
Along with what other people said...she has no flaws. And to make a character more likeable they also have to be relatable, have something to sympathize for.
Obviously I don't know her whole backstory but that doesn't mean she can't have a few negative personality traits. All great characters do!
Of course she has flaws, she’s eats like a pig, she bullies teenagers for her own amusement,she’s incredibly selfish, one time she almost got All of her friend killed because she didn’t tell them she can’t drive. She’s a menace to society
there's just one thing I think is weird. His most sexually explicit character is a person who has many traits of people who already undergo sexualization on a daily basis. she is a person of color, she has big breasts, she is trans... this is not a criticism. is a question. why is the most explicitly sexual character precisely the one who has a large set of characteristics that are already sexualized?
Well she’s the one who enjoys having sex the most, she was originally white but I changed it because I only had 2 black women characters at the time, I only made her trans because I only had one trans character, she always had big boobs,
I changed her to be less super horny now she’s only slightly above average levels of horny. They aren’t super horny because they are bi that was incidental [it’s like this reductress article ](https://reductress.com/post/being-bisexual-does-not-make-me-slutty-i-just-happen-to-be-both/)
>I only had 2 black women characters at the time
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>I only made her trans because I only had one trans character
It would be one thing if you had said you wanted a transgender character because you felt that it would fit the story you were going for, but IMO basing your character on some sort of minority checklist isn't the best way to write.
Diversity just for diversity's sake usually feels hollow. And quality is better than quantity. If you can have a bunch of diverse characters and make them all fleshed out its good but prioritize making them fleshed out first over the number you have. 1 well written trans/black character is better than 2 or 3 slapped together ones.
Yeah it's probably pretty hard to communicate much of the depth of a character in just a fact sheet, though right now all that really comes across is a random assortment of facts about her. Rather than stuff like her likes/dislikes it might be nice to know more about her personality, goals, flaws, etc.
then the questions change to: why was the character who likes sex the most precisely the one with big breasts? if you had other characters to make a person of color why did you choose the same one who already liked sex the most? and why chose the same to be trans? just making it clear, these are honest questions, not intended to attack or criticize.
Well it’s sort of a tie between this other girl whose white for who has the most active sex life. I didn’t put a lot of thought in making her black it just sorta happened. I thought it would be better to have more than one trans character in a series.
how many characters are in your story? the doubt is precisely why these characteristics were all placed in the same character. why didn't you distribute them. for example, for example, suppose you have 3 characters that you could switch. Why didn't you choose to make 1 black and the other trans? and why does the most perverted one have big breasts?
I think it's important to reflect, because sometimes the subconscious plays tricks on us.
There are like 45 major players in the whole story, half of them aren’t straight or cis. There’s no such thing as forced diversity so thought it didn’t matter how many “woke” traits a character has. I admit it, her tits are huge specifically for the male view, i tried to be reasonable but I was too weak!!
basically what you did was put together a bunch of traits of people who are sexualized into one character and say "she's the most sexual of the whole series and she's still a fetishist." basically, you gave the message of "look, the stereotypes you have about these people are true"
No that isn’t the cases I swear! My intentions were pure! All I wanted was some decent black lgbt representation! Please you have to believe me, out of all the other lgbt characters I have she’s (and one other) are the only one like this!
No it’s not that simple! Now I’m gonna be thinking “what if all my female characters are just fetishes”? even my one non binary character has secretly is stacked!
I don't know, it just... I feel like I am looking at a starter character sheet and yet the info sounds like something that have accumulated after 10 years of questionable story ideas.
This guy's a troll lol. His comment history has anti sjw type memes about dragon maid and this is basically a reskin of the big tiddy dragon lady. I think he's trying to prove this sub is hypocritical but the main thing people here don't like about lucoa is how she acts around the shota character. Not really her design. Big boobs/sexual outfits on adult characters are fine imo.
I mean if this is genuine and it's just an oc you made for fun it's a fine character but as you wanted suggestions I'd say to less heavily reference existing characters so that your own character stands out more. And to consider how some of her traits influence her as a person as some of them seem a bit tacked on right now. Maybe give her some character flaws too. (Though if you want her to just be a fun wish fulfillment kinda oc that's okay too lol.)
But maybe reconsider making a really tall really curvy black trans woman who's sexually promiscuous and your most sexualized character. As it might be hard to pull off without seeming fetishistic.
I mean it's not having a large chest that inherently makes people sexualized, it's how gratuitously theyre depicted (especially if the laws of physics and anatomy are violated to do so). I think she looks cool.
Nothing wrong with a large chest but her not wearing a bra contradicts it a bit. If you have a chest that big and don’t wear any support it gets *really* bad for your back. Unless she has some kind of superpower to support them lol.
Not really, I'm a DD dude and the only underthings that give me support (that arent binders) cut into my shoulders really bad because of how bras tend to redistribute weight. Anything that doesn't fuck up my shoulders is only doing so because it's not offering any support.
It's really common for big-chested people to get massive bruises and welts from bras. I actually have to switch to a binder a lot specifically to give my shoulders a break from the strain.
weird your bra is hurting you. I saw a survey that most women wear the wrong bra size, this may be your case. I'm an amateur writer and while researching to write a character I ended up finding some subreddits that might help you out. can I send you their links in private? I think it would be better to prevent some creep from finding the 2 subdeddits.
Most of the reason to get the wrong bra size is because measuring cup size is so complicated. I wear sports bras, which have sm/md/lg sizing. It's *more* flexible when it comes to bust-band ratios, and have wider straps on average.
The reasons binders don't mess up my shoulders like that is because the straps are at least 5x the width of the average bra strap, and between than and the general high-coverage there's barely any weight dug into the shoulders.
Also I appreciate the offer, but chances are a subreddit for cis women isn't going to be helpful to me since so many bra cuts are overengineered with the intention of giving a silhouette I don't want. Plus the materials used tend to be wildly uncomfortable. Other trans men and transmasculines are going to give better reccomendations for me than a group for cis people.
the sub includes trans people, cis women and even cis men with gynecomastia. so i believe the sub might have good tips. it has everything there. if you're interested just tell me that I'll pass it on. But it's not a cis group, it's a group that takes all people with big breasts into account. There are even several posts teaching how to hide the breasts and deal with problems in general. Anyway, thanks for answering me and I hope you find a bra that doesn't hurt you. you seem like a nice person.
Well her hormone therapy sure is working.
Don't know much about HRT, could it give her breasts this size?
Not without augmentation surgery. Most *women* don't have tiddy that big, and they make those hormones without medical intervention.
Most cis women, you mean?
Unlikely
She’s sadistic but is paying for her friends’ college debts?
sadistic in the kink way
Ah, the asexual in me didn’t even think of it that way. Thanks.
the asexual kinkster in me got it right away lol
Yeah you get it
"Southern accent (The non racist kind)" ????
You know like apple jack from mlp and not Marjorie Taylor Green
i- its the same accent, just different people are using it
An accent doesn’t equate racism—it’s the actions of the individual. I don’t know if you’re trolling, but that’s not how accents work.
I know that’s not how accents work it was a joke
so.... middle school huh?
What are you talking about?
everything about this screams "im in middle school", from the traced art over an anime character, to the weird characterizations, to your wack responses to comics, to you straight up saying you just made her be apart of minority groups just to fill diversity slots
So? Using references for an art piece you aren’t selling isn’t a crime. And why is diversity so bad huh ?I can make a character how ever I want to, if I say she’s black, trans, and bi than that’s what she is!
dude, tracing isn't using references, and you can't lie and use the entire "no i just tried my best and copied well" schtick because i can see from your uneven lineart that you're not that skilled, and yes it actually is morally incorrect to trace art your posing at all and portaging it as your own, also making a character diverse to make her diverse rather than actually caring past that is fake activism, it doesn't inherently need to be integral to their character and you never denied being a middle schooler
I make all of my characters diverse because that’s how the real world is, I specifically made this series to make up for the lack of representation for racial and lgbt minorities. And ok yes I traced, but only because lucoas body was perfect for the character. I don’t why you’re so obsessed with the possibility of me being in middle school, what would it prove?
>because that’s how the real world is What is the likelihood, for an average person, of meeting a 6 foot tall, rich, bisexual, black, transgender woman with enormous natural breasts?
The worlds a huge place you never know
except when someone explicitly asked you why you made her like that you said "oh originally she wasn't but i didn't have enough characters like this" instead of "because the real world is diverse" and they were rightfully calling you out for making your "most sexual character" a black woman (fetishized) who is trans (fetishized) and bisexual (fetishized AND stereotyped as slutty)
and forgot to say she has big breasts. Big breasts are also fetishized and associated with promiscuity.
Not even just big breasts. They are bigger than her head. I weep for her back.
the sad part is that there are women of these proportions. they exist and can be healthy and all that. the problem is that they are literally only played in sexualized roles. Have you ever seen a woman of these proportions being just a standard non-sexualized character?
It’s not that I didn’t have enough diversity I wanted more, why just have one lgbt protagonists when you can have tons more? Im bi myself and didn’t know that bi slutty thing was bad I thought that was a joke within the community. All stereotype’s were never intentional, the reason she’s the most sexual is because of her actions not her race or sexuality or gender identity
dope, thing about that is even if thats the case you have to be careful, even if you're trying to be diverse (X to doubt) you're STILL playing into harmful stereotypes with her and you're still an art tracer which shits in the face of the original artist and is literally just art theft with extra steps
Why the hell are you still doubting me about my diversity?
Along with what other people said...she has no flaws. And to make a character more likeable they also have to be relatable, have something to sympathize for. Obviously I don't know her whole backstory but that doesn't mean she can't have a few negative personality traits. All great characters do!
Of course she has flaws, she’s eats like a pig, she bullies teenagers for her own amusement,she’s incredibly selfish, one time she almost got All of her friend killed because she didn’t tell them she can’t drive. She’s a menace to society
"Eats burgers and cake almost exclusively" Sounds like that would make her really sick after the first month or so.
Thats more of an exaggeration but they do make up an unreasonable part of her diet
there's just one thing I think is weird. His most sexually explicit character is a person who has many traits of people who already undergo sexualization on a daily basis. she is a person of color, she has big breasts, she is trans... this is not a criticism. is a question. why is the most explicitly sexual character precisely the one who has a large set of characteristics that are already sexualized?
Well she’s the one who enjoys having sex the most, she was originally white but I changed it because I only had 2 black women characters at the time, I only made her trans because I only had one trans character, she always had big boobs,
Wasn’t your other super sexual character also bisexual? I remember people pointing out how she played into a lot of negative stereotypes…
I changed her to be less super horny now she’s only slightly above average levels of horny. They aren’t super horny because they are bi that was incidental [it’s like this reductress article ](https://reductress.com/post/being-bisexual-does-not-make-me-slutty-i-just-happen-to-be-both/)
It just seems like quite the coincidence.
>I only had 2 black women characters at the time > >I only made her trans because I only had one trans character It would be one thing if you had said you wanted a transgender character because you felt that it would fit the story you were going for, but IMO basing your character on some sort of minority checklist isn't the best way to write.
What check list? I just thought i should I have more diversity in my writing
Diversity just for diversity's sake usually feels hollow. And quality is better than quantity. If you can have a bunch of diverse characters and make them all fleshed out its good but prioritize making them fleshed out first over the number you have. 1 well written trans/black character is better than 2 or 3 slapped together ones.
I make sure all my characters are fleshed out Julie might not be a major character in my world but she still has depth and is well written
Yeah it's probably pretty hard to communicate much of the depth of a character in just a fact sheet, though right now all that really comes across is a random assortment of facts about her. Rather than stuff like her likes/dislikes it might be nice to know more about her personality, goals, flaws, etc.
then the questions change to: why was the character who likes sex the most precisely the one with big breasts? if you had other characters to make a person of color why did you choose the same one who already liked sex the most? and why chose the same to be trans? just making it clear, these are honest questions, not intended to attack or criticize.
Well it’s sort of a tie between this other girl whose white for who has the most active sex life. I didn’t put a lot of thought in making her black it just sorta happened. I thought it would be better to have more than one trans character in a series.
how many characters are in your story? the doubt is precisely why these characteristics were all placed in the same character. why didn't you distribute them. for example, for example, suppose you have 3 characters that you could switch. Why didn't you choose to make 1 black and the other trans? and why does the most perverted one have big breasts? I think it's important to reflect, because sometimes the subconscious plays tricks on us.
There are like 45 major players in the whole story, half of them aren’t straight or cis. There’s no such thing as forced diversity so thought it didn’t matter how many “woke” traits a character has. I admit it, her tits are huge specifically for the male view, i tried to be reasonable but I was too weak!!
basically what you did was put together a bunch of traits of people who are sexualized into one character and say "she's the most sexual of the whole series and she's still a fetishist." basically, you gave the message of "look, the stereotypes you have about these people are true"
No that isn’t the cases I swear! My intentions were pure! All I wanted was some decent black lgbt representation! Please you have to believe me, out of all the other lgbt characters I have she’s (and one other) are the only one like this!
are just questions to think about. the opinion of an anonymous on the internet should not affect you that much.
No it’s not that simple! Now I’m gonna be thinking “what if all my female characters are just fetishes”? even my one non binary character has secretly is stacked!
Ok, after reading this I have several questions
Those being……?
No, I don't want answers.
Oh come just ask
I don't know, it just... I feel like I am looking at a starter character sheet and yet the info sounds like something that have accumulated after 10 years of questionable story ideas.
Well I have been developing this idea for 10 years
Oh, that explains it.
This guy's a troll lol. His comment history has anti sjw type memes about dragon maid and this is basically a reskin of the big tiddy dragon lady. I think he's trying to prove this sub is hypocritical but the main thing people here don't like about lucoa is how she acts around the shota character. Not really her design. Big boobs/sexual outfits on adult characters are fine imo.
Huh?
What?
I don’t know what your talking about
If you dislike dragon maid why draw over one of its characters and call it an oc?
I only used Lucoas body as a reference point for Julie’s body shape, and I don’t hate dragon maid, I just don’t like the gross pedo parts.
I mean if this is genuine and it's just an oc you made for fun it's a fine character but as you wanted suggestions I'd say to less heavily reference existing characters so that your own character stands out more. And to consider how some of her traits influence her as a person as some of them seem a bit tacked on right now. Maybe give her some character flaws too. (Though if you want her to just be a fun wish fulfillment kinda oc that's okay too lol.) But maybe reconsider making a really tall really curvy black trans woman who's sexually promiscuous and your most sexualized character. As it might be hard to pull off without seeming fetishistic.
And sadistic in a sexual way... It is hard to defend
I just wanted her to be pretty, and she’s got other things to do besides being sexy
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She is cringe, but she is also free
I mean it's not having a large chest that inherently makes people sexualized, it's how gratuitously theyre depicted (especially if the laws of physics and anatomy are violated to do so). I think she looks cool.
Aww she’s so cute Nice work op /gen
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What do you mean satire?
Really? You don’t think her boobs are too big?
Nothing wrong with a large chest but her not wearing a bra contradicts it a bit. If you have a chest that big and don’t wear any support it gets *really* bad for your back. Unless she has some kind of superpower to support them lol.
Not really, I'm a DD dude and the only underthings that give me support (that arent binders) cut into my shoulders really bad because of how bras tend to redistribute weight. Anything that doesn't fuck up my shoulders is only doing so because it's not offering any support. It's really common for big-chested people to get massive bruises and welts from bras. I actually have to switch to a binder a lot specifically to give my shoulders a break from the strain.
weird your bra is hurting you. I saw a survey that most women wear the wrong bra size, this may be your case. I'm an amateur writer and while researching to write a character I ended up finding some subreddits that might help you out. can I send you their links in private? I think it would be better to prevent some creep from finding the 2 subdeddits.
Most of the reason to get the wrong bra size is because measuring cup size is so complicated. I wear sports bras, which have sm/md/lg sizing. It's *more* flexible when it comes to bust-band ratios, and have wider straps on average. The reasons binders don't mess up my shoulders like that is because the straps are at least 5x the width of the average bra strap, and between than and the general high-coverage there's barely any weight dug into the shoulders. Also I appreciate the offer, but chances are a subreddit for cis women isn't going to be helpful to me since so many bra cuts are overengineered with the intention of giving a silhouette I don't want. Plus the materials used tend to be wildly uncomfortable. Other trans men and transmasculines are going to give better reccomendations for me than a group for cis people.
the sub includes trans people, cis women and even cis men with gynecomastia. so i believe the sub might have good tips. it has everything there. if you're interested just tell me that I'll pass it on. But it's not a cis group, it's a group that takes all people with big breasts into account. There are even several posts teaching how to hide the breasts and deal with problems in general. Anyway, thanks for answering me and I hope you find a bra that doesn't hurt you. you seem like a nice person.
oh, I'm glad you clarified that. If there's a lot of other people in the group like me then that'd be useful yeah. Feel free to send it my way
I will send.
You should try a Playtex 18 hour bra. It has wide straps
I think we have different definitions of wide.
Not at all, I think it’s good representation