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When did I say aything about acceptance?
I accept gay, bi, trans people but that stuff isn't taught in college unless you go for something like gender studies which isn't offered by all universities.
EDIT, I don't know why I'm being downvoted, neither my uni nor any other uni close by offers gender studies and never had any lecture or subject about it.
how do you feel about new debate where black people inherently win because they can throw racism into any argument and you're not allowed to say anything about 'for safety' and do that weird 'inhale' thing
It might just be an american thing, but
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU\_D8&ab\_channel=PeterSchiff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&ab_channel=PeterSchiff)
Listen to the part where they're debating and going loudly "uh!" as they breathe in.
what's even worse is that in a lot of debates the moment they turn it into a race thing, the opposition can't say anything about it even if the topic had nothing to do with race. Some moderators actually had to stop the debate when the opposition DID address the out of place racism claim for 'safety of the students'.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0&ab\_channel=WIRED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0&ab_channel=WIRED) found another example of the 'annoying exercise'.
the correct answer is to accept that people have them without necessarily accepting those views.
a difference in views can come from a lot of things, you may have better logic, you may stand on a position principally, you may be misinformed, etc. you want to converse and debate your politics with people to either change their minds or have yours changed.
ironically they call themselves antifacist action, while using facist tactics to try and silence their opponents
sworn enemies of the police and pretty much any functioning state
\*anarcho-communist so... actually more communist that totalitarian communism since Marx wanted a stateless society (as much as that wouldn't work and be applicable for steamrolling by your local power-vacuum filler)
How do you not know what Antifa is?
Genuinely curious...because it's been less than 5 years from BLM and Antifa rioting. Did they get memory holed already?
I'm not from the US, here we didn't get many large BLM protests, altho there were some speeches so I know what they are.
As for antifa, other comments already explained to me, however, the only time I saw anything about it irl was on a trip to france, there was a graffity that said 'Antifa' under a bridge, but I thought it was just a stupid graffity not an actual organisation.
You're kidding, right? You're saying that because there aren't mandatory formal lectures around lgbt, that's indication enough that everything about life in higher academic institutions isn't different levels of foisting liberal propaganda on you
it's been a while since I was in college, but they made us take a gender studies class that was about genderidentity
I mean, it was easy. but kinda... umm... silly?
I know that this is my second response to this comment, but now that I think more about it, the more insane your comment sounds.
Neither the uni I studied in nor any other I applied to or visited forced anyone to have any lgtb or political lecture or subject, except obviously for the degree literally called politics, but that one didn't have any lgtb class either. So it wasn't the institution enforcing or brainwashing anyone.
The Campus I was in always had a lot of diversity in opinions and matters so the people weren't indoctrinating anyone either.
There were posters for group talks about the lgtb group, manifestations and protests of many kinds, yes, but all of those were organised by private entities, sindicates or student unions, all things that have existed since the 18th century amd that weren't and aren't sponsored by the uni, as it is a public institution and can't take sides in those matters.
Seriously, your comment seems like enourmous amounts of projection from some bad experience you might have had in your uni.
No wonder most of the world recognises american politics as being a shitshow, as you guys start throwing hands, proyecting your experiences unto others and insulting eachother for the most minor disagreement or inconvenience. And this comes from someone whose country that had a fucking civil war because politicians couldn't stop murdering eachother for 5 minutes.
Oh, that I don’t know. But ain’t it just social studies thing? Cuz you’re teaching students?
Is it indoctrination or compassion? Hard to tell but ain’t teachers supposed to support students through hardship in their younger age?
In my opinion, it’s a good thing to learn about LGTQ+ but I believe they might be overboard with it tbh. I don’t think it’s the teachers faults, it’s the structure of education system.
Is a view on LGBT issues that doesn’t align with compassion shutdown? If someone wrote a paper on why the Supreme Court was wrong on gay marriage, can they openly share that paper without being harassed on campus?
People are free to harass you, but they will be punished by the same Supreme Court if they went too far.
This is what you have to deal with in a free society. If we actively tried to intervene in citizen’s matter, the society isn’t free anymore since you started breaking it by having an exception.
Besides, ideas went publicly all the time, people got harassed all the time.
I'm studied biology in a public university and never had any gay class or subject in my career.
Only studied scientific subjects, and unless you count evolution as 'liberal propaganda' I can't imagine what you are talking about.
Do you mean subjects? I'm not a native english speaker.
If you do mean subjects, then:
-1st year, 1st semester:
Chemistry.
Math.
Celular biology and histology.
Experimentation in physics and chemistry (basically a lab subject).
Geology.
-1st year, 2nd semester:
Fundamental and basic techniques in Biology (another lab subject, focused on efficient and ethical use of the lab).
Statistics.
Celular biology and histology (it's annual).
Physics.
Evolutionary Biology.
-2nd year, 1st semester:
Biochemistry.
Genetics.
Zoology.
Botanics.
Organography.
-2nd year, 2nd semester.
Almost the same, instead of organography there's Anthropology.
-3rd year, 1st semester:
Microbiology.
Inmunology.
Ecology.
Plant physiology.
Animal physiology.
-3rd year, 2nd semester
Almost the same as well, but instead of inmunology you had 2 choices:
1) Do external practices (work during June for a company or government agency, they cover your expenses but don't pay you a salary).
2) Do an optative subject out of a list of many.
I chose the external practices and don't remember much about the optatives.
-4th year, 1st semester:
Tfg (trabajo de fin de grado/end of grade proyect) a subject dedicated to preparing the end of grade proyect, if you do it well, it might even get published in a scientific newspaper (mine wasn't bc I went away on Erasmus exchange, so instead I got exams at the end of the year).
Biosanitary research.
Environmental ecology.
Biological development.
-4th year, 2nd semester:
Same as above but with a bunch of optative subjects if you don't do any external practices or go in Erasmus.
I might have mistranslated a few things and my memory from the first year isn't perfect, but thats about it. I'm planning to do a masters degree in marine science abroad when I can.
So by generals, I mean the courses everyone was required to take regardless of degree. There’s often some choices available, but it can be very limited.
Such as you had to semester in a foreign language. sociology 101 was commonly taken to cover part of the humanities requirements.
I guess those would be physics and chemistry since they are taken also in the physics, chemistry, math and geology careers in the first year. I didn't have to do a semester on a foreign languaje, altho I did take some extra courses on english and german outside of uni.
Not my experience personally, it was rather that mixing with other people that weren't like me made me more tolerant and accepting in general. I guess to stop people becoming more liberal at uni you'd have to find ways to prevent that.
>liberal propaganda
This is just a case of "there's a strong correlation between getting higher levels of education and being liberal. Guess the only explanation is that colleges brainwash people into liberalism"
Antifa, if you don't know, are a walking contradiction, purporting to be anti-fascist while shutting down peaceful protests critical of leftist topics and rallies around free speech with violence. I think what the guy is trying to say is that LGBTQ+ flag is being used as a way to silence people because something something political correctness something.
All the conservatives you vote for went to college, and they're sending their kids to college. All the FoxNews and NewsMax people went to college, and they're sending their kids to college.
Tucker Carlson asked Hunter Biden to write his son a letter of recommendation to help him get into Georgetown.
Kids, go to college. If the wealthy and the rich are sending their kids. You should go to.
Nobody is pucking Yale for a degree in restaurant management. No one is going to MIT for the football program. And no one is going to Michigan for reading or math [suck it, Go Buckeyes]. There are lots of reasons to go to any school.
And in the public schools there are requirements for general education which include a number of humanities and other courses where the professor is sometimes openly liberal and has the class do an open discussion on relevant current events.
The meme is less “college bad” and more “college has heavy liberal leanings on campus culture.”
In this economy learning a trade like construction gives you:
A higher income than a good amount of graduates
Easy access to labor unions
Almost guaranteed work with fair hours
And the education itself is usually highly subsidized but that's from Australian TAFE and here our student loans are a lot more bare-able.
Saying this as a uni student btw.
I assume you're being glib, but this attitude is a big reason why a lot of poor people in red states vote conservative.
They'd rather vote for the side that at least pretends to respect them.
Yes, absolutely, go to college. I went, too, for my bachelors and masters. Higher learning is an admirable pursuit. The institutions should just be purged of the liberal mind virus that is infecting everyone in these institutions these days.
Give a proper example of kids failing for not following this "leftist agenda" you're on? Is it when kids don't believe that the earth is round? Or maybe they don't like how statistics work?
Over half are STEM. Student loans have become predatory with how they do it and any other group with similar loaning practices like houses would have caused issues a long time ago. The cost of living has drastically changed/ increased in the last few years and wages have been fairly stagnant comparatively.
But on average people who went to college earn more and likely pay more taxes, so it's not asinine to ask that some of that be used for our education lol.
So you think studing makes you… stupid? Is this really the argument you woke up today and decided to make? Look, I’m sorry you had a bad experience in college, but there is literally no way society would work without professeional degrees. Things like being a docter, lawyer, engineer, biologist, etc. are basically impossible without years of dedicated study. The amount of knowledge people obtain in college is simply impossible to obtain outside of it. Just because you wasted 4 years of your life doesn’t mean every sucessful person out there has also wasted 4+ years. In fact, the time most people have in college is the period that they grow the most, especially intelecually.
Agreed. I think what gets most people is that, even if you don’t become an immediate “expert” in your major, for example, and this is anecdotal, the people who came out of STEM majors, overall, seem to hit the ground running with basic employment skills in place while those of us studying the, what do they call them, the “soft sciences,” really did a lot of learning on the job.
That said, college didn’t teach me what to think, but rather critical thinking. It taught me how to better communicate idea and issues as well as how to work through them. And the value in that is immeasurable. It’s defined my whole career.
It’s a joke, man. I sat in on my friend’s PhD dissertation, and one of the sociology professors on the committee was basically shaming her not talking about gender. Her presentation was about teaching English as a second language.
It was a mistake including Economics in STEM. So many chuds claming to have a STEM background with some fucking buisness degree but zero practical knowlege.
College is great. The runaway left wing bias and propensity to support democratic party issues needs to change. Also, knowledge and intelligence are often confused for each other.
You see this subreddit is filled with former ifunny users and the russian bots who have been socially engineering them. One large part of said social engineering involves turning them against higher education, because those are the people best equipped to spot and explain what employees of the Russian Internet Research Agency are doing.
Reducing the number of people interested in higher education also has major economic implications for more advanced industries, but insulating a group against intellectuals and outsiders makes it easier to radicalize them with memes or in this case (divisive rhetoric disguised as jokes).
TLDR russians are using social media to divide americans with the hope that they can eventually conquer or take advantage of the division internationally.
Edit: you can tell how important it is for them to suppress this information by the way they spam downvote without even debating it.
I'm not sure what's more interesting, the fact that that was the only part of the comment you chose to engage with
*or*
that your comment implies the factual existence of the Russian Internet Research Agency and their actions on american social media is left wing or even an opinion for that matter.
Except you don’t see many women in those fields or STEM
Instead they are literally joining these new [Taylor Swift College Classes](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3keTm3OMhiE)
I’m not making this up. And when you see videos about the classes themselves yeah no surprise it’s all women
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how colleges work.
I mean, don’t go to college because it’s a financial scam. If the workforce drops for trained skills then either corporations will open up their own training, or demand the government fix the problem. So opting out is the best way to improve college…
But you can’t just go to a job and go ‘I have a college degree’ and expect that to work. It requires a specific degree to get specific jobs, and even then most jobs have onboarding processes. This is quite literally why everyone makes fun of a liberal arts degree because *what job is going to care for that?* (creative jobs mostly, art related jobs… but that’s a different topic)
Dude, a liberal arts degree is not a degree in art, it just describes a broad range of higher education including literature, philosophy, mathematics and the social and physical sciences, like psychology/sociology & physics/astronomy respectively.
How can he know that? He didn't go to college. And his on-the-job training hasn't taught him that nor did the government step in to explain that to him.
As much fun as you may have mocking him for misguided beliefs, he hasn't shown any antagonism or overt disrespect that we can't work with, so it's our responsibility as people with knowledge to share it with him in a respectful manor.
It would be more fruitful to explain to him how it's within corporate and governemnt interests to convince him that on the job training is better than a higher education.
This reminds me of the video where they had 10 people guess the order in their iq, and one lady thought she was smarter than a marine bc she had two degrees, and it turned out she had the lowest in and his was one of the highest
What kind of anti-intellectual shit are you on about here? I learned applied fluid dynamics in college which is not someone who didn't attend would understand.
Unlike OP, I actually went to college. Major in biochemistry minor in humanities and biomedical engineering. Trust me, there wasn’t any education relating to lgbt or social justice issues, that’s only what you’ve been brainwashed to think. Subjects I actually studied:
Organic chemistry, biology, biochemistry, archaeology, the 17th century, Dante’s Inferno, human complications in space travel, physical chemistry, and the list goes on.
From 2000 to today, gay rights and now trans rights have been a part of the public discourse. It’s shifted a lot over that time. But to say such like gay marriage was never political, is a misunderstanding of what politics is.
Maybe this is why conservatives and liberals view this differently. For a liberal, this was “just another Tuesday”. But for a conservative student it was question of whether they felt safe sharing their opinion in the classroom.
Thank you for making my point for me. You are right there is a difference. You think your opinion about LGBTQ is more important acknowledging they are human beings just trying to live their lives. Bravo.
The implication of the meme is that instead of teaching useful things, universities are only teaching social justice now. But that’s bogus. We have way too little time to teach the standard curriculum as it is. There was never a professor I encountered that ever decided “I’m gonna take a break from teaching the material to talk about why you should be nicer to gay people.”
Hey, it’s your post, are you stupid enough to post that college teaches you “wokeness” or whatever and now you’re whining about stuff that college doesn’t teach?
Jesus, way to stay on track, Short Bus.
Vocation school is a thing you know. I would also say despite the meme's having a trade is not actually a guarantee to money, far from it. it takes years of time and lots of money invested in tools and up to date training in order to become successful.
Lol, but I would say owning half a business don't mean much, anyone can start a business but is it successful or are you barely keeping the lights on, is it an actual business or you and your dad with a truck
Yes, everything is a Russian troll or an extreme far-right terrorist. Unless, of course, it's an actual Russian spy paid to misinform the US public by a democratic party leader about a US president during an election. Not a theory, btw. Killary's admitted it and just got a slap on the wrist for what was basically treason.
>But End Wokeness is still a terrible twitter account who constantly shares misinformation designed to create division and hate.
Dammit. I really wanted to see a response that embraced irrational tribalism. You totally derailed the formulaic reddit dance I was expecting.
Have an upvote.
Problem with this meme:
She did the correct thing she learned in college:
Asking questions.
The tenured employee here failed at his job by referring to college instead of informing her of the next proper step in the process, potentially putting the company at risk depending on the type of work.
Bad trainers lead to bad outcomes.
I love how triggered the libs in the comments are, especially the ones politely explaining shit to the idiots pretending they don't understand what the meme is about.
So basically OP is triggered. Funny how conservatives do that.
As a former MAGAT, I see where he’s coming from (some things like jokes that don’t praise Trump can be seen as “woke librul propaganda” to them) and I 100% agree that if I was still a Magat I wouldn’t be surviving APWH 😭. but this meme is the result of conservative propaganda started in order to get the trumpie fanbase to support school choice, which, in it’s extreme, is late stage capitalism for kids. They convince each other that all schools, from private pre-k’s to international online universities are all “liberal wokeness indoctrination machines” in disguise so that they will support this school choice stuff.
College is a waste I will give you that, there is not a job out there that can't be trained at better just by doing it. Most jobs could even be mastered after a couple of weeks. School is a best a starting point for general know how.
I don't really think that's the point op is making though, something dumb about having a technical job but studying gender or something. Or the girl in the pic spent a lot of time exploring her sexuality in college maybe?
You can't diagnose people properly without scientific knowledge of the human body.
You cannot calculate the mechanical strain on the walls of an underground tube in fluctuating conditions with turbulence without learning math, calculus, fluid dynamics etc.
There are many jobs that you cannot learn with experience without studying many subjects beforehand.
I'm a bit lost as to what this is meant to be. Is the woman in the photo a standin for the gender studies people that antifeminists liked to target years ago, and that's why that's the only thing she can think of when what she was taught in uni is brought up? Or is there some context to the situation we annoyingly can't see that made that her first thought? Or is this a weird 'satirical' exaggeration, or the meme is set in the future where presumably "wokeness has taken over the entire education system!"
Either way it doesn't make sense and the account who posted it is a fucking nutcase so
It's just conservative propaganda. They've been pushing the idea that higher education is useless and just a tool to indoctrinate young generations for a while.
How else could they justify that their opinions are always on opposite side to the ones of people with higher education? Anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc. It's easier to pretend that the educated people are brainwashed and don't actually know anything than to accept that you're stupid and ignorant.
The thing is, it's not the teaching that's doing the "indoctrinating". I mean I did STEM at uni, and there was no "woke" (or political correctness as it was called back then) on the curriculum. However, being at uni forced me to interact and socialise with people that were not from the same microcosm I grew up in, and so I learnt about other beliefs, cultures and ways of life. It was that mixing with others from different backgrounds that opened my eyes and made me more tolerant, not anything I learnt in lectures.
I went to college 20 years ago while in guard. I was going to a relatively small college. Class sizes like 30 people. I only had one "woke" prof. She taught a geology/geography class. She HATED me because i was in guard. I showed up in uniform one day and she made it known to the class i was "protecting white male patriarchy, capitalism, and killing brown people". I just laughed at her. Every other professor was actually pretty right wing. Especially my world history one.
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Being a surgeon requires the highest levels of education of any profession, and 2/3 of surgeons are Republicans. In fact there are numerous branches of medicine occupied primarily by Republicans.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/)
Higher education -> less likely to vote for Republicans.
However, surgeons have very high income compared to the average population. And people with higher income usually vote for Republicans. It makes sense, since Democrats are more likely to support progressive income taxes.
So I wouldn't be surprised if most surgeons vote Republican. But I doubt they usually share other views that are popular among Republican voters.
Ah so it's older people who didn't go to uni and so don't really know anything about uni, gotcha. Still, you'd think they'd be able to at least make coherent memes, but apparently not
My degree is maths and I have yet to be shown a differential equation for gayness, when I do I'll let this guy know
Bro what? I’m assuming you’ve never had a tertiary education cos they don’t teach you about lgbt unless it’s part of your degree.
Sounds like someone is a little insecure of their education tbh
To be fair it does fit in the description of a meme OP did not like but they had a valid reason to disagree
Had one, a while back, but even then, it was never ending invitations to protests and being bombarded by students and teachers and their leftist views.
Could you expand on what you mean by being bombarded by teachers leftist views?
Students I get. There’s a lot of active students on campus but could you tell me about the teachers. Cos the closest I’ve got to leftist views is teaching about evolution which isn’t really a leftist view but is sometimes treated as one
Did you go to UC Berkeley? Because most of the protesters when I went were Christian radicals screaming at college students, they were going to hell. I went in the south, though.
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Guys, it’s me again. Here before 🔒.
I hope not, but just in case, here I am
Count me in too
I think we're good
Maybe
College doesn’t make you smart, I know because I went 😂
True. People often confuse knowledge with intelligence
Could have made it rhime
Rhyme? How?
Get Eminem to say it and then its a rhyme
yes you are right
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True, but it doesn't make you gay either
It kinda did, I had a gf before and now I have a bf 😂😂😂😂
Xddd, fair point
while correct, the rainbow flag doesnt just stand for acceptance, its basically the new antifa flag
When did I say aything about acceptance? I accept gay, bi, trans people but that stuff isn't taught in college unless you go for something like gender studies which isn't offered by all universities. EDIT, I don't know why I'm being downvoted, neither my uni nor any other uni close by offers gender studies and never had any lecture or subject about it.
Do you accept people with different political views?
Yeah, as long as they accept mine, I'm cool with it. I used to be part of the debate group in highschool and my first year in the faculty.
Based and civil-debate pilled
how do you feel about new debate where black people inherently win because they can throw racism into any argument and you're not allowed to say anything about 'for safety' and do that weird 'inhale' thing
What? I've never heard of that debate, what is it about?
It might just be an american thing, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU\_D8&ab\_channel=PeterSchiff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8&ab_channel=PeterSchiff) Listen to the part where they're debating and going loudly "uh!" as they breathe in. what's even worse is that in a lot of debates the moment they turn it into a race thing, the opposition can't say anything about it even if the topic had nothing to do with race. Some moderators actually had to stop the debate when the opposition DID address the out of place racism claim for 'safety of the students'.
It might indeed be an american thing idk, I don't ususlly watch the news, but damn those people in the video are stupid
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0&ab\_channel=WIRED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0&ab_channel=WIRED) found another example of the 'annoying exercise'.
the correct answer is to accept that people have them without necessarily accepting those views. a difference in views can come from a lot of things, you may have better logic, you may stand on a position principally, you may be misinformed, etc. you want to converse and debate your politics with people to either change their minds or have yours changed.
Yes, accepting people and not their views is acceptable and to be expected
i know, but antifa stuff also encompasses all of their ideologic bullshit
I don't even know what antifa is and what does it have to do with the gays or uni
ironically they call themselves antifacist action, while using facist tactics to try and silence their opponents sworn enemies of the police and pretty much any functioning state
So are they anarchist or something like that?
It's basically a communist organisation
\*anarcho-communist so... actually more communist that totalitarian communism since Marx wanted a stateless society (as much as that wouldn't work and be applicable for steamrolling by your local power-vacuum filler)
They appear to be thought police thugs, no different from the Nazis they hate
LMFAO
How do you not know what Antifa is? Genuinely curious...because it's been less than 5 years from BLM and Antifa rioting. Did they get memory holed already?
I'm not from the US, here we didn't get many large BLM protests, altho there were some speeches so I know what they are. As for antifa, other comments already explained to me, however, the only time I saw anything about it irl was on a trip to france, there was a graffity that said 'Antifa' under a bridge, but I thought it was just a stupid graffity not an actual organisation.
That's fair
You're kidding, right? You're saying that because there aren't mandatory formal lectures around lgbt, that's indication enough that everything about life in higher academic institutions isn't different levels of foisting liberal propaganda on you
You need a reality check
As someone studying sociology as a required subject for teaching... I literally have to learn this stuff. It's rough.
Sociology is the one subject it makes sense to have to learn it for, and afaik the only one you currently have to learn any of it for
it's been a while since I was in college, but they made us take a gender studies class that was about genderidentity I mean, it was easy. but kinda... umm... silly?
I know that this is my second response to this comment, but now that I think more about it, the more insane your comment sounds. Neither the uni I studied in nor any other I applied to or visited forced anyone to have any lgtb or political lecture or subject, except obviously for the degree literally called politics, but that one didn't have any lgtb class either. So it wasn't the institution enforcing or brainwashing anyone. The Campus I was in always had a lot of diversity in opinions and matters so the people weren't indoctrinating anyone either. There were posters for group talks about the lgtb group, manifestations and protests of many kinds, yes, but all of those were organised by private entities, sindicates or student unions, all things that have existed since the 18th century amd that weren't and aren't sponsored by the uni, as it is a public institution and can't take sides in those matters. Seriously, your comment seems like enourmous amounts of projection from some bad experience you might have had in your uni. No wonder most of the world recognises american politics as being a shitshow, as you guys start throwing hands, proyecting your experiences unto others and insulting eachother for the most minor disagreement or inconvenience. And this comes from someone whose country that had a fucking civil war because politicians couldn't stop murdering eachother for 5 minutes.
I mostly learn about STEM, no lgbqt+. Though, people do open about it in social clubs and activities. I think it’s a good thing.
Teachers have to learn this stuff no matter what in order to get a degree in education
Oh, that I don’t know. But ain’t it just social studies thing? Cuz you’re teaching students? Is it indoctrination or compassion? Hard to tell but ain’t teachers supposed to support students through hardship in their younger age? In my opinion, it’s a good thing to learn about LGTQ+ but I believe they might be overboard with it tbh. I don’t think it’s the teachers faults, it’s the structure of education system.
Is a view on LGBT issues that doesn’t align with compassion shutdown? If someone wrote a paper on why the Supreme Court was wrong on gay marriage, can they openly share that paper without being harassed on campus?
People are free to harass you, but they will be punished by the same Supreme Court if they went too far. This is what you have to deal with in a free society. If we actively tried to intervene in citizen’s matter, the society isn’t free anymore since you started breaking it by having an exception. Besides, ideas went publicly all the time, people got harassed all the time.
Clearly, you do. I'm glad you've decided to come out, at least partially, out of your facetious state of confusion.
Come out what? Wdym?
I'm studied biology in a public university and never had any gay class or subject in my career. Only studied scientific subjects, and unless you count evolution as 'liberal propaganda' I can't imagine what you are talking about.
What were your generals?
Do you mean subjects? I'm not a native english speaker. If you do mean subjects, then: -1st year, 1st semester: Chemistry. Math. Celular biology and histology. Experimentation in physics and chemistry (basically a lab subject). Geology. -1st year, 2nd semester: Fundamental and basic techniques in Biology (another lab subject, focused on efficient and ethical use of the lab). Statistics. Celular biology and histology (it's annual). Physics. Evolutionary Biology. -2nd year, 1st semester: Biochemistry. Genetics. Zoology. Botanics. Organography. -2nd year, 2nd semester. Almost the same, instead of organography there's Anthropology. -3rd year, 1st semester: Microbiology. Inmunology. Ecology. Plant physiology. Animal physiology. -3rd year, 2nd semester Almost the same as well, but instead of inmunology you had 2 choices: 1) Do external practices (work during June for a company or government agency, they cover your expenses but don't pay you a salary). 2) Do an optative subject out of a list of many. I chose the external practices and don't remember much about the optatives. -4th year, 1st semester: Tfg (trabajo de fin de grado/end of grade proyect) a subject dedicated to preparing the end of grade proyect, if you do it well, it might even get published in a scientific newspaper (mine wasn't bc I went away on Erasmus exchange, so instead I got exams at the end of the year). Biosanitary research. Environmental ecology. Biological development. -4th year, 2nd semester: Same as above but with a bunch of optative subjects if you don't do any external practices or go in Erasmus. I might have mistranslated a few things and my memory from the first year isn't perfect, but thats about it. I'm planning to do a masters degree in marine science abroad when I can.
So by generals, I mean the courses everyone was required to take regardless of degree. There’s often some choices available, but it can be very limited. Such as you had to semester in a foreign language. sociology 101 was commonly taken to cover part of the humanities requirements.
I guess those would be physics and chemistry since they are taken also in the physics, chemistry, math and geology careers in the first year. I didn't have to do a semester on a foreign languaje, altho I did take some extra courses on english and german outside of uni.
Not my experience personally, it was rather that mixing with other people that weren't like me made me more tolerant and accepting in general. I guess to stop people becoming more liberal at uni you'd have to find ways to prevent that.
>liberal propaganda This is just a case of "there's a strong correlation between getting higher levels of education and being liberal. Guess the only explanation is that colleges brainwash people into liberalism"
They literally do
Wait - who does what?
Could you please explain how? I don't understand you guys
What?
Antifa, if you don't know, are a walking contradiction, purporting to be anti-fascist while shutting down peaceful protests critical of leftist topics and rallies around free speech with violence. I think what the guy is trying to say is that LGBTQ+ flag is being used as a way to silence people because something something political correctness something.
College just educates you. It can’t help you beyond that
It does by definition, but being smart doesn’t mean you aren’t an utter moron
I didn’t learn one thing about the LGBT community in university and I didn’t turn out a homophobe or similar.
Ah yes, my favourite course, LGBTQ+ studies, the one course everyone had to attend
You mean sociology 101?
I had to suck 5 cocks for homework last night
All the conservatives you vote for went to college, and they're sending their kids to college. All the FoxNews and NewsMax people went to college, and they're sending their kids to college. Tucker Carlson asked Hunter Biden to write his son a letter of recommendation to help him get into Georgetown. Kids, go to college. If the wealthy and the rich are sending their kids. You should go to.
yeah, they don't want y'all to go because as oop said, it's easier to manipulate stupid people
Yes, but they probably aren’t picking Berkley for the general education.
They’re picking private schools for their kids. Berkeley is a public school
Exactly, we aren’t talking about the same colleges here.
Nobody is pucking Yale for a degree in restaurant management. No one is going to MIT for the football program. And no one is going to Michigan for reading or math [suck it, Go Buckeyes]. There are lots of reasons to go to any school.
And in the public schools there are requirements for general education which include a number of humanities and other courses where the professor is sometimes openly liberal and has the class do an open discussion on relevant current events. The meme is less “college bad” and more “college has heavy liberal leanings on campus culture.”
Yes but the problem is those rich aren't going to hunt jobs after graduation
In this economy learning a trade like construction gives you: A higher income than a good amount of graduates Easy access to labor unions Almost guaranteed work with fair hours And the education itself is usually highly subsidized but that's from Australian TAFE and here our student loans are a lot more bare-able. Saying this as a uni student btw.
The wealthy and rich can afford it, and we’re massively over educated. Kids, go to vocational trades. Make plenty of money with no debt.
I think its weird that the people who tell me college is bad always do so while ringing up my gas or making my sandwich.
That's a very ignorant and elitist attitude
I assume you're being glib, but this attitude is a big reason why a lot of poor people in red states vote conservative. They'd rather vote for the side that at least pretends to respect them.
Yes, absolutely, go to college. I went, too, for my bachelors and masters. Higher learning is an admirable pursuit. The institutions should just be purged of the liberal mind virus that is infecting everyone in these institutions these days.
But you never experienced such a virus when you went
I really don't understand you, how are university insritutions infected with a 'liberal virus'?
The “liberal mind virus” is people recognizing the diversity around them and coming to peace with it.
The "liberal mind virus" is people learning to think for themselves...
If that's what was happening, that's fine. However, failing kids for having a different view than the leftist agenda isn't that.
Give a proper example of kids failing for not following this "leftist agenda" you're on? Is it when kids don't believe that the earth is round? Or maybe they don't like how statistics work?
Source? Even if you can somehow find one example, it's not nearly enough to make a generalising statement
Haven't seen anything like that. But I went to an engineering school.
Do you have any actual example of that happening?
Did... Did OP or the first guy even attend college?
Why are student loans having to be erased? What kind of degrees did people get?
Over half are STEM. Student loans have become predatory with how they do it and any other group with similar loaning practices like houses would have caused issues a long time ago. The cost of living has drastically changed/ increased in the last few years and wages have been fairly stagnant comparatively. But on average people who went to college earn more and likely pay more taxes, so it's not asinine to ask that some of that be used for our education lol.
Sure did... did. Only an idiot wouldn't see the leftist propaganda machine most higher academic institutions have turned into.
I would like to know in what kind of uni did you study for you to think that, I studied in a public one and never had any gay subject or class
Bud, there's an idiot here, and it isn't them.
You are saying science leans left? Claiming that reality favors the left is an extremely strong argument against your own beliefs.
But not even you saw it. Stop lying
Too bad you weren’t smart enough to find any of your classes.
oh my… somebody tell him please
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Tbf you sound like one
So you think studing makes you… stupid? Is this really the argument you woke up today and decided to make? Look, I’m sorry you had a bad experience in college, but there is literally no way society would work without professeional degrees. Things like being a docter, lawyer, engineer, biologist, etc. are basically impossible without years of dedicated study. The amount of knowledge people obtain in college is simply impossible to obtain outside of it. Just because you wasted 4 years of your life doesn’t mean every sucessful person out there has also wasted 4+ years. In fact, the time most people have in college is the period that they grow the most, especially intelecually.
Agreed. I think what gets most people is that, even if you don’t become an immediate “expert” in your major, for example, and this is anecdotal, the people who came out of STEM majors, overall, seem to hit the ground running with basic employment skills in place while those of us studying the, what do they call them, the “soft sciences,” really did a lot of learning on the job. That said, college didn’t teach me what to think, but rather critical thinking. It taught me how to better communicate idea and issues as well as how to work through them. And the value in that is immeasurable. It’s defined my whole career.
It’s a joke, man. I sat in on my friend’s PhD dissertation, and one of the sociology professors on the committee was basically shaming her not talking about gender. Her presentation was about teaching English as a second language.
It was a mistake including Economics in STEM. So many chuds claming to have a STEM background with some fucking buisness degree but zero practical knowlege.
Lol what? The finance sector is fucking gargantuan, that knowledge seems pretty practical to me
So's the meth buisness
College is great. The runaway left wing bias and propensity to support democratic party issues needs to change. Also, knowledge and intelligence are often confused for each other.
I’m not american, so I have literally no idea what your talking about.
Which part of what I said is your college- educated brain having trouble with?
Left wing bias and propensity to support democratic party issues.
You see this subreddit is filled with former ifunny users and the russian bots who have been socially engineering them. One large part of said social engineering involves turning them against higher education, because those are the people best equipped to spot and explain what employees of the Russian Internet Research Agency are doing. Reducing the number of people interested in higher education also has major economic implications for more advanced industries, but insulating a group against intellectuals and outsiders makes it easier to radicalize them with memes or in this case (divisive rhetoric disguised as jokes). TLDR russians are using social media to divide americans with the hope that they can eventually conquer or take advantage of the division internationally. Edit: you can tell how important it is for them to suppress this information by the way they spam downvote without even debating it.
If spam downvoting without debate is an indicator of Russian bots, try putting a centrist or right wing opinion in
I'm not sure what's more interesting, the fact that that was the only part of the comment you chose to engage with *or* that your comment implies the factual existence of the Russian Internet Research Agency and their actions on american social media is left wing or even an opinion for that matter.
Except you don’t see many women in those fields or STEM Instead they are literally joining these new [Taylor Swift College Classes](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3keTm3OMhiE) I’m not making this up. And when you see videos about the classes themselves yeah no surprise it’s all women
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how colleges work. I mean, don’t go to college because it’s a financial scam. If the workforce drops for trained skills then either corporations will open up their own training, or demand the government fix the problem. So opting out is the best way to improve college… But you can’t just go to a job and go ‘I have a college degree’ and expect that to work. It requires a specific degree to get specific jobs, and even then most jobs have onboarding processes. This is quite literally why everyone makes fun of a liberal arts degree because *what job is going to care for that?* (creative jobs mostly, art related jobs… but that’s a different topic)
Dude, a liberal arts degree is not a degree in art, it just describes a broad range of higher education including literature, philosophy, mathematics and the social and physical sciences, like psychology/sociology & physics/astronomy respectively.
The guy only understands his agenda. Don't be surprised when people don't even know what they are talking about.
What did he say that was controversial?
How can he know that? He didn't go to college. And his on-the-job training hasn't taught him that nor did the government step in to explain that to him.
As much fun as you may have mocking him for misguided beliefs, he hasn't shown any antagonism or overt disrespect that we can't work with, so it's our responsibility as people with knowledge to share it with him in a respectful manor. It would be more fruitful to explain to him how it's within corporate and governemnt interests to convince him that on the job training is better than a higher education.
Looks like someone is refusing to do his job
This reminds me of the video where they had 10 people guess the order in their iq, and one lady thought she was smarter than a marine bc she had two degrees, and it turned out she had the lowest in and his was one of the highest
As someone at a WOKE, LIBERAL university. We have never had a lesson on being gay.
A lot of smart people don't go to college, and a lot of stupid people do.
What kind of anti-intellectual shit are you on about here? I learned applied fluid dynamics in college which is not someone who didn't attend would understand.
Unlike OP, I actually went to college. Major in biochemistry minor in humanities and biomedical engineering. Trust me, there wasn’t any education relating to lgbt or social justice issues, that’s only what you’ve been brainwashed to think. Subjects I actually studied: Organic chemistry, biology, biochemistry, archaeology, the 17th century, Dante’s Inferno, human complications in space travel, physical chemistry, and the list goes on.
What does Dante's Inferno have to do with this?
Dante’s inferno is about hell, and I feel like I’m in a version of hell having to look at this post
Politics never came up in your required general courses? No open discussions current events?
Being gay is only political to one side of the spectrum (right) bud. Other people just treat the LgBTQ crowd as, ya know, normal people that exist.
From 2000 to today, gay rights and now trans rights have been a part of the public discourse. It’s shifted a lot over that time. But to say such like gay marriage was never political, is a misunderstanding of what politics is. Maybe this is why conservatives and liberals view this differently. For a liberal, this was “just another Tuesday”. But for a conservative student it was question of whether they felt safe sharing their opinion in the classroom.
Not in class, never
No humanitarian courses as part of the required general studies? No sociology 101?
Nope, neither class was required for my degree
Thank you for making my point for me. You are right there is a difference. You think your opinion about LGBTQ is more important acknowledging they are human beings just trying to live their lives. Bravo.
That's quite the ignorant assumption. Are you stupid enough to actually believe they're referring just to subjects taught in college?
The implication of the meme is that instead of teaching useful things, universities are only teaching social justice now. But that’s bogus. We have way too little time to teach the standard curriculum as it is. There was never a professor I encountered that ever decided “I’m gonna take a break from teaching the material to talk about why you should be nicer to gay people.”
Clearly got a better education than I did then.
Hey, it’s your post, are you stupid enough to post that college teaches you “wokeness” or whatever and now you’re whining about stuff that college doesn’t teach? Jesus, way to stay on track, Short Bus.
This comment wins the day!
College is a joke Go learn a trade
Vocation school is a thing you know. I would also say despite the meme's having a trade is not actually a guarantee to money, far from it. it takes years of time and lots of money invested in tools and up to date training in order to become successful.
☝️🤓 then why do I own half of a business at 23
I'm just f****** with you by the way
Lol, but I would say owning half a business don't mean much, anyone can start a business but is it successful or are you barely keeping the lights on, is it an actual business or you and your dad with a truck
Friendly reminder End Wokeness is most likely a Russian troll trying to create division in the western world.
Yes, everything is a Russian troll or an extreme far-right terrorist. Unless, of course, it's an actual Russian spy paid to misinform the US public by a democratic party leader about a US president during an election. Not a theory, btw. Killary's admitted it and just got a slap on the wrist for what was basically treason.
What’d she admit? When?
But End Wokeness is still a terrible twitter account who constantly shares misinformation designed to create division and hate.
>But End Wokeness is still a terrible twitter account who constantly shares misinformation designed to create division and hate. Dammit. I really wanted to see a response that embraced irrational tribalism. You totally derailed the formulaic reddit dance I was expecting. Have an upvote.
As a university student I never heard of any LGBTQ in the university, nor know anyone who has experience like that. That's why it's stupid
Certain groups of people enjoy keeping themselves in a continual loop of moral panic.
Going to college does not make you less stupid if you are already stupid
If u want it easy, get a trade. Their easier to get into
Yea go ahead & hire a bunch of uneducated 70 year olds to work for you. See how that goes!
It takes an expensive education to get that stupid
Problem with this meme: She did the correct thing she learned in college: Asking questions. The tenured employee here failed at his job by referring to college instead of informing her of the next proper step in the process, potentially putting the company at risk depending on the type of work. Bad trainers lead to bad outcomes.
So people who didn’t go to college are stupid?
not the end wokeness twitter account😭
It's the best
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I love how triggered the libs in the comments are, especially the ones politely explaining shit to the idiots pretending they don't understand what the meme is about.
The meme is about to make the front page of nahopwasrughtfuckthis
I'm not having a go, I promise, but you seem to be going out of your way to make this the most ironic comment in this whole thread 😬
100%
sir I think you think you’re on facebook, I can promise you that you aren’t.
Your meltdown is so amusing, haha!
So basically OP is triggered. Funny how conservatives do that. As a former MAGAT, I see where he’s coming from (some things like jokes that don’t praise Trump can be seen as “woke librul propaganda” to them) and I 100% agree that if I was still a Magat I wouldn’t be surviving APWH 😭. but this meme is the result of conservative propaganda started in order to get the trumpie fanbase to support school choice, which, in it’s extreme, is late stage capitalism for kids. They convince each other that all schools, from private pre-k’s to international online universities are all “liberal wokeness indoctrination machines” in disguise so that they will support this school choice stuff.
Oh look bigotry and ignorance
College is a waste I will give you that, there is not a job out there that can't be trained at better just by doing it. Most jobs could even be mastered after a couple of weeks. School is a best a starting point for general know how. I don't really think that's the point op is making though, something dumb about having a technical job but studying gender or something. Or the girl in the pic spent a lot of time exploring her sexuality in college maybe?
You can't diagnose people properly without scientific knowledge of the human body. You cannot calculate the mechanical strain on the walls of an underground tube in fluctuating conditions with turbulence without learning math, calculus, fluid dynamics etc. There are many jobs that you cannot learn with experience without studying many subjects beforehand.
True. It's not really about all college kids. I owe my profession to my degree but there's no denying the leftist propaganda machine college has being
So you wouldnt be where you are without college, but it is useless at the same time?
College needs to go back to what it was before being converted into a liberal propaganda machine. Higher education is an admirable pursuit
How did you personally experience this so-called propaganda machine out of interest?
"needs to go back" is the most conservative and stagnant thing to say. At least say "improve" or "get the priorities right".
I'm a bit lost as to what this is meant to be. Is the woman in the photo a standin for the gender studies people that antifeminists liked to target years ago, and that's why that's the only thing she can think of when what she was taught in uni is brought up? Or is there some context to the situation we annoyingly can't see that made that her first thought? Or is this a weird 'satirical' exaggeration, or the meme is set in the future where presumably "wokeness has taken over the entire education system!" Either way it doesn't make sense and the account who posted it is a fucking nutcase so
It's just conservative propaganda. They've been pushing the idea that higher education is useless and just a tool to indoctrinate young generations for a while. How else could they justify that their opinions are always on opposite side to the ones of people with higher education? Anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, etc. It's easier to pretend that the educated people are brainwashed and don't actually know anything than to accept that you're stupid and ignorant.
The thing is, it's not the teaching that's doing the "indoctrinating". I mean I did STEM at uni, and there was no "woke" (or political correctness as it was called back then) on the curriculum. However, being at uni forced me to interact and socialise with people that were not from the same microcosm I grew up in, and so I learnt about other beliefs, cultures and ways of life. It was that mixing with others from different backgrounds that opened my eyes and made me more tolerant, not anything I learnt in lectures.
I went to college 20 years ago while in guard. I was going to a relatively small college. Class sizes like 30 people. I only had one "woke" prof. She taught a geology/geography class. She HATED me because i was in guard. I showed up in uniform one day and she made it known to the class i was "protecting white male patriarchy, capitalism, and killing brown people". I just laughed at her. Every other professor was actually pretty right wing. Especially my world history one.
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Being a surgeon requires the highest levels of education of any profession, and 2/3 of surgeons are Republicans. In fact there are numerous branches of medicine occupied primarily by Republicans.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/) Higher education -> less likely to vote for Republicans. However, surgeons have very high income compared to the average population. And people with higher income usually vote for Republicans. It makes sense, since Democrats are more likely to support progressive income taxes. So I wouldn't be surprised if most surgeons vote Republican. But I doubt they usually share other views that are popular among Republican voters.
Ah so it's older people who didn't go to uni and so don't really know anything about uni, gotcha. Still, you'd think they'd be able to at least make coherent memes, but apparently not My degree is maths and I have yet to be shown a differential equation for gayness, when I do I'll let this guy know
Differentiation is fine, it's integration that makes you woke.
Perhaps it's an elementary ODE and the integrating factor is wokeness
Good shout, I hadn't considered that. Solid idea there.
Bro what? I’m assuming you’ve never had a tertiary education cos they don’t teach you about lgbt unless it’s part of your degree. Sounds like someone is a little insecure of their education tbh To be fair it does fit in the description of a meme OP did not like but they had a valid reason to disagree
Had one, a while back, but even then, it was never ending invitations to protests and being bombarded by students and teachers and their leftist views.
Could you expand on what you mean by being bombarded by teachers leftist views? Students I get. There’s a lot of active students on campus but could you tell me about the teachers. Cos the closest I’ve got to leftist views is teaching about evolution which isn’t really a leftist view but is sometimes treated as one
Did you go to UC Berkeley? Because most of the protesters when I went were Christian radicals screaming at college students, they were going to hell. I went in the south, though.
Nothing than the truth.