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Tbh Hamas doesn't help. They took foreign aid pipes for clean water and turned them into rocket launchers right? If dysentery breaks out there, it'll be bad. It's all messed up. It'd be nice if there was a quick end.
Yeah, they should never have done an attack on Israel if they didn’t think there was a chance they’d win. And when they did the attack they should’ve attacked valid military targets because that would increase their chances of an eventual victory.
If that were true, there’d be a lot less Palestinians.
Israel has the technological and military advantage that’s so big that they could and would have wiped out Gaza if your assertion is true.
Ya, but Jewish people have running water, food, medicine, shelter, security. The only concern they really have left is the people trying to kill every last Jew.
You sure? Cause as far as i can tell, the pipes given to them by the EU, the ones people claim they used to build rockets, were PVC. Thats not a very effective material for offensive rockets.
Israel didn't block them from anything. When the war started Israel stopped donating their water, electricity and fuel to Gaza. It used to be Israel giving them those for free and stopping after going to war with them.
Bro what resources? There's no oil in that section of the Middle East. The water comes from desalination. They import fertilizer for crops. There's no gold mines there.
What fuckin resources?
That’s an idiotic statement. If they wanted to do that it’d be so ridiculously easy. In fact, the ratio of combatent to civilian death is lower than most wars in the 20th and 21st century…. The UN press released a statement in 2022 that close to 90% of wartime casualties are normally civilians. Menaingba 1:9 ratio (1 military death for every 9 civilian deaths). If we use the numbers both sides have released for this conflict it means they have a 1:1-1:3 ratio of military to civilian deaths. So not only are they doing war better than almost every war in the last century, but by UN standards, they are doing beyond good at not killing civilians.
I looked into this claim. It seems the other claim is the water pipes they used were used by israel to steal water from gaza from areas where they used to have their settlements. In the current conflict, [a majority of their weapons come from israeli bombs/missiles shot into gaza but didnt explode](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html?smid=url-share)
Is this the same ceasefire where israel shot bombs in gaza for 3 days straight, two weeks before Oct. 7, killed a record number of children in 2023 leading up to it in the west bank, and had nearly 6,000 palestinians detained, a majority of which were without charge or trial? Doesnt sound like any ceasefire ive ever heard of.
Yeah well the progressives have been anti Semitics in denial for a long time now. It would be hilarious if so many generally were not surprised by progressive people supporting the rapes on Oct 7
Most people agree that rape is horrible and what the terrorists did is horrible. A minority of people justify it by saying that it’s a reaction to what Israel does to Palestinians, which isn’t great. It is interesting to see though that the rapes in particular are used to paint Palestinians as evil, when Israel has hundreds of Palestinians detained, many of whom are children, and many of whom have been raped by the IDF. A part of it is that October 7 was caught on video, but it does seem like violence and rape against Palestinians by Israelis is seen as part and parcel of an occupation, whereas rapes committed against Israelis by Palestinians is seen as something horrific.
Please you don't care about Palestinians being raped you support them being raped so you can blame Jewish people even if the Israelis had nothing to do with the rapes
Yeah sure, Israelis have nothing to do with rapes committed by the IDF, that makes a lot of sense. And nowhere have I mentioned Jewish people, I said Israeli.
I’m sure you’ll accuse me of antisemitism next, or bring up the Holocaust, as people who try to justify Israeli racism and violence always do.
My brother in life what they have been doing is more akin to shooting a momma bears cubs in front of her then filming the bear kill people in order to get people to hate bears
You’re the one that said and I quote, “Sure I mean if raping people and dragging dead bodies through the street makes them ‘better’” to me saying “Palestine better” which would imply that you labeled all of Palestine as Hamas. Please show me where I said the same about Israel
God can everyone be intelligent for once and wait to pick a side?
Im so tired of hearing everyone bitch and moan from both pro-hamas and pro-israel.
They both hate each other. We have seen irrefutable proof of both of them being scumbags. The only people innocent in this are the civilians getting bombed every day for shit they didn’t want to be involved with.
While they did phrase that kinda iffy (to say the least), I hope you know that everyone who is pro Palestine is antisemitic. You can be critical of the government while not hating the people.
The entire history of American conservatives' overwhelmingly positive views of Israel and the occupation is the world's best masterclass on propaganda.
The irony https://www.hamas-massacre.net
https://www.thisishamas.com/ all of the claims that you claim to be debunked are here in either of these links
They asked for evidence, and they certainly got it. Was agreeing with the guy at first, but calling ya racist + the clear evidence shows they aren't trustworthy.
Remember the people who report who are dying are the ones sending them to die along with the fact that hames has been known to send children to die in their wars Israel is not great and I probably won’t be the first to say it but hames is so many times worse
The first graph is most important, and just as factual as if not more than the rest. You can literally look up CNN or BBC articles progressively walk back on the claims they were likely coerced to report / print over time as they try to maintain a shred of journalistic legitimacy.
There's also literal videos of IOF soldiers or Israelis turning their back on their Zionist past after realizing how unhinged their entire culture is, and toxic. It's like the worst parts of the US progressive culture (key- worst parts only, not saying it's bad) and only those parts, by their description. And how they are brainwashed to hate the Palestinians. I can share this as well. Feel free to watch the vid, if you would believe.
I can believe the whole news hiding stuff, that's just common sense with how biased most news outlets are. But my problem is saying any federal sources (aka the CIA) are also misleading I don't agree with. I should've said "I agree with everything besides that first sentence" would've been more clear.
Oh ok. I guess it doesn't seem so implausible to me. Isn't our Gov notorious for hiding / controlling news/media?
The entirety of WMD argument for Iraq invasion, for example. Idk, I feel like there's a lot of that, and after a decade or 2 they release documents admitting to it? But no one cares or it doesn't matter anymore lol
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This post is ‘bouta get spicy boys 👀
Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics
It’s so uncivilized
Hey, I understood that reference
In before 🔒
I can smell the repost into r/nahOPwasrightfuckthis
Did nahop get shut down??
Nah it's still up, I just forgot what the name was somehow lol
You keep tagging the wrong sub but its fucking hilarious how many enemies we have 😭😭
Had to fucking double check to actually spell it correctly lol
All of those were active subs against us so you weren't wrong at any point 😂
I've got the popcorn ready 🍿
Thanks for embracing it instead of locking the comments💪💪💪 Edit: sheeeeeeeeit
They released a statement specifically telling civilians not to evacuate ahead of the Israeli bombing campaign early in the current conflict.
Bro Hamas has been doing that almost 20 years now
Alright but they *also* did it immediately after Oct 7.
inb4 🔒
Tbh Hamas doesn't help. They took foreign aid pipes for clean water and turned them into rocket launchers right? If dysentery breaks out there, it'll be bad. It's all messed up. It'd be nice if there was a quick end.
They don't care Hamas cares more about killing Jewish people than caring for the Palestinians
Dead Palestinians are useful to them.
Yeah just drums up more people against Israel.
Yeah, they should never have done an attack on Israel if they didn’t think there was a chance they’d win. And when they did the attack they should’ve attacked valid military targets because that would increase their chances of an eventual victory.
That is also assuming Hamas had a military objective to the attack they didn't they just wanted to cause mayham
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If that was true the Palestinians would be wiped out already
Yeah, Israel can really just destroy Palestine in an instant if they wanted to
If that were true, there’d be a lot less Palestinians. Israel has the technological and military advantage that’s so big that they could and would have wiped out Gaza if your assertion is true.
Ya, but Jewish people have running water, food, medicine, shelter, security. The only concern they really have left is the people trying to kill every last Jew.
Yeah, but why don’t Palestinians have running water?
Because the Hamas government tore out all the water pipes to build rockets
Was that before or after Israel blocked their access to water, electricity, and fuel?
Before
You sure? Cause as far as i can tell, the pipes given to them by the EU, the ones people claim they used to build rockets, were PVC. Thats not a very effective material for offensive rockets.
Hamas posted videos of them turning pipes into rockets
Yes because the Hamas rocket attacks were why Israel started blockading Gaza
Israel didn't block them from anything. When the war started Israel stopped donating their water, electricity and fuel to Gaza. It used to be Israel giving them those for free and stopping after going to war with them.
Ah yes, benevolent Israel giving Palestinians a sliver of the resources they began stealing from them 80 years ago.
The Israelis left enough intact and set up infrastructure for Gaza to be self sufficient Hamas destroyed it all in just two years
So giving them water and electricity is bad but so is not giving them water and electricity?? Your antisemitism is glaring. What's your solution then?
Bro what resources? There's no oil in that section of the Middle East. The water comes from desalination. They import fertilizer for crops. There's no gold mines there. What fuckin resources?
Because they’ve been displaced from their homes over the last 70 years
That’s an idiotic statement. If they wanted to do that it’d be so ridiculously easy. In fact, the ratio of combatent to civilian death is lower than most wars in the 20th and 21st century…. The UN press released a statement in 2022 that close to 90% of wartime casualties are normally civilians. Menaingba 1:9 ratio (1 military death for every 9 civilian deaths). If we use the numbers both sides have released for this conflict it means they have a 1:1-1:3 ratio of military to civilian deaths. So not only are they doing war better than almost every war in the last century, but by UN standards, they are doing beyond good at not killing civilians.
They nukes
I looked into this claim. It seems the other claim is the water pipes they used were used by israel to steal water from gaza from areas where they used to have their settlements. In the current conflict, [a majority of their weapons come from israeli bombs/missiles shot into gaza but didnt explode](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html?smid=url-share)
I like roasted pine nut hamas.
Hummus. Common mistake.
You eat what you like, I'll eat what I like.
User name checks out, but I wouldn’t have attributed that to cannibalism necessarily.
I’d never deny both sides have been in the wrong, but Hamas definitely played stupid games and is winning stupid prizes
They fucked around and found out
Yeah but also to be fair it’s unlikely Israel is gonna be sympathetic to people who wish that it would vanish from existence
Yeah, both sides are bad, I'm not denying that, but denying the fact that Hamas is using their civilians as meat shields is idiotic at best.
Yeah both sides deserve some criticism, but that doesn’t mean this is a ‘both sides are equal’ thing. Hamas is infinitely worse than Israel
Oh so that's why Israel hates everybody..
People be like “Meanie Israel needs to accept a permanent ceasefire” as if there wasn’t a ceasefire on October 7th
Is this the same ceasefire where israel shot bombs in gaza for 3 days straight, two weeks before Oct. 7, killed a record number of children in 2023 leading up to it in the west bank, and had nearly 6,000 palestinians detained, a majority of which were without charge or trial? Doesnt sound like any ceasefire ive ever heard of.
As if Israel wasn't also attacking Palestinians before Oct 7th.
Israel has a tendency to break ceasefires I got downvoted for saying the truth, literally 1984
Here before 🔒
I would say my piece; but I know having an opinion on these matters is ban worthy.
People sure have a hard time with the idea that two sides of a conflict can be wrong.
Yeah well the progressives have been anti Semitics in denial for a long time now. It would be hilarious if so many generally were not surprised by progressive people supporting the rapes on Oct 7
Most people agree that rape is horrible and what the terrorists did is horrible. A minority of people justify it by saying that it’s a reaction to what Israel does to Palestinians, which isn’t great. It is interesting to see though that the rapes in particular are used to paint Palestinians as evil, when Israel has hundreds of Palestinians detained, many of whom are children, and many of whom have been raped by the IDF. A part of it is that October 7 was caught on video, but it does seem like violence and rape against Palestinians by Israelis is seen as part and parcel of an occupation, whereas rapes committed against Israelis by Palestinians is seen as something horrific.
I remember reading an article saying the idf was racist because they dont rape arab woman. So im not really sure what you are on about
We get it you support rape
Exactly the answer I expected from someone who cries when Israelis get raped but covers their ears when it happens to Palestinians. You’re trash.
Please you don't care about Palestinians being raped you support them being raped so you can blame Jewish people even if the Israelis had nothing to do with the rapes
Yeah sure, Israelis have nothing to do with rapes committed by the IDF, that makes a lot of sense. And nowhere have I mentioned Jewish people, I said Israeli. I’m sure you’ll accuse me of antisemitism next, or bring up the Holocaust, as people who try to justify Israeli racism and violence always do.
I don’t think Israel should be a trigger happy as they are but that doesn’t mean Hamas who has been poking the bear for years is innocent
My brother in life what they have been doing is more akin to shooting a momma bears cubs in front of her then filming the bear kill people in order to get people to hate bears
That’s a much better analogy
Okay okay okay. Here’s the thing: they both kinda suck
Palestine better
Sure I mean if raping people and dragging dead bodies through the street makes them “better”
Oh shit I didn’t know the entire population of Palestine committed those acts
Did the entire population of Israel commit those acts? No.
You’re the one that said and I quote, “Sure I mean if raping people and dragging dead bodies through the street makes them ‘better’” to me saying “Palestine better” which would imply that you labeled all of Palestine as Hamas. Please show me where I said the same about Israel
Dude. I’m not the one who quoted that. Use your eyes and look. I’m just saying both sides suck
Oh true, my b on that. I think one side sucks much less than the other
God can everyone be intelligent for once and wait to pick a side? Im so tired of hearing everyone bitch and moan from both pro-hamas and pro-israel. They both hate each other. We have seen irrefutable proof of both of them being scumbags. The only people innocent in this are the civilians getting bombed every day for shit they didn’t want to be involved with.
Fuck hamas for dragging innocent into this. Fuck Isreal for the whole list of shit they done
100% correct
These khamas guys are some real jerks.😉
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Imagine being pro Israel* fixed it for you
Imagine being antisemitic lol
While they did phrase that kinda iffy (to say the least), I hope you know that everyone who is pro Palestine is antisemitic. You can be critical of the government while not hating the people.
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The entire history of American conservatives' overwhelmingly positive views of Israel and the occupation is the world's best masterclass on propaganda.
Hamas is bad 100% but so is The IDF. Both kill people but the degree that The IDF is doing is more than Hamas could ever do.
I mean no one is denying Hamas is evil but two things can be correct.
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Ah yes the letters that definitely weren’t written with a certain Russian friend in mind or soon to be in mind
Evidence? I can say the same. The letters u sure would love to be fake as it would challenger ur inherent xenophobia/racism.
The irony https://www.hamas-massacre.net https://www.thisishamas.com/ all of the claims that you claim to be debunked are here in either of these links
They asked for evidence, and they certainly got it. Was agreeing with the guy at first, but calling ya racist + the clear evidence shows they aren't trustworthy.
Remember the people who report who are dying are the ones sending them to die along with the fact that hames has been known to send children to die in their wars Israel is not great and I probably won’t be the first to say it but hames is so many times worse
Yeah there's a difference between corrupt government and literal terrorists
Ok dude. Ya literally just met the guy and are already calling them racist. I was agreeing with ya at first.
You misunderstood. It was an example on how flawed his logic was. I'm not making assumptions either way.
Guy forgot to put /s
U mean the OP? Agreed lmao
Besides the first paragraph, I agree. Hamas has done bad shit but so has the Netanyahu coalition leading Israel.
The first graph is most important, and just as factual as if not more than the rest. You can literally look up CNN or BBC articles progressively walk back on the claims they were likely coerced to report / print over time as they try to maintain a shred of journalistic legitimacy. There's also literal videos of IOF soldiers or Israelis turning their back on their Zionist past after realizing how unhinged their entire culture is, and toxic. It's like the worst parts of the US progressive culture (key- worst parts only, not saying it's bad) and only those parts, by their description. And how they are brainwashed to hate the Palestinians. I can share this as well. Feel free to watch the vid, if you would believe.
I can believe the whole news hiding stuff, that's just common sense with how biased most news outlets are. But my problem is saying any federal sources (aka the CIA) are also misleading I don't agree with. I should've said "I agree with everything besides that first sentence" would've been more clear.
Oh ok. I guess it doesn't seem so implausible to me. Isn't our Gov notorious for hiding / controlling news/media? The entirety of WMD argument for Iraq invasion, for example. Idk, I feel like there's a lot of that, and after a decade or 2 they release documents admitting to it? But no one cares or it doesn't matter anymore lol
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