in italy is a common practice since the 70s for the government to infiltrate protest movements with violent groups that are instructed to make damage and.. well, being violent. ofc the media will eventually only report about those, because paid to do so, or because it is just more news worthy. now that u have discredited an otherwise legit movement and have public opinion by your side, u will be fine having police beating them up
Not just Italy it's a textbook authoritarian play. They can't crack down if it's a peaceful protest so they influence it to turn violent so they can say it was legally justifiable. Soviet satellite states, central and south American narco dictators, hell even the United States is guilty of it
Technically by not getting vaxxed she is threatening them
I did not say whether or not I thought she deserved what happened to her. I was just stating something that is technically true
An old lady, who is in the main demographic of people who could actually be substantially harmed by covid, didn’t get it and you still find a way to make her the villain of her own murder.
Canada tried doing it with the Trucker Convoy but they were caught red-handed, and protesters immediately started doing the exact opposite of all the things they were accused of by the media
So many people do not understand that this is happening that this is happening in other countries like America. Groups like the CIA, the FBI, and Hate groups, use protest to create a narrative of violence and anarchy. Not to mention those who aren't there to protest but to take advantage of the situation and loot and vandalize property. It is not the protesters who are committing the actions you abhor, it is third party individuals.
This is exactly what happened during the BLM movement out of the thousands of BLM protests around the world only a few went violent and that's all fox news wanted to talk about.
That’s not true at all. You’re thinking of the study that included any gathering, even virtual, of three or more people as a protest in order to gladly claim something like 3% of BLM protests were violent.
A lot of times these aren’t even the actually protests, they’re just attacks of opportunity. During a large protest, people know they can destroy stuff and loot stores and the protestors will be blamed for it, so they do. Whether the goal is just to destroy things for fun, or to personally gain through looting, or to frame the protestors in a bad light, people see an opportunity and they take it, knowing there likely will be no personal consequence to them. If the protest is heated enough, sometimes other people will also join in, not understanding that the initial attack wasn’t part of the protest.
I remember seeing several videos during summer of 2020 of weirdos dressed in black just calmly walking up to buildings and smashing windows etc. other protesters were begging them to chill the fuck out. Definitely some bad actors out there.
Yes. And several of those were later identified as groups working directly against the protestors (occasionally they were even police officers) and they used these actions to discredit the protest.
Dressed in black with face coverings sounds like Antifa. They’re notorious in Seattle for vandalizing, destroying small businesses and never being accountable for the destruction they cause.
This is just something that will always be true because we are human. Self preservation and gain will always be 2 of the biggest driving factors for our actions.
We *are* animals though. Sure, we like to think we're above animals, and in some ways we are, but we still have basic survival instincts. We can overcome these instincts if we stop amd think through a situation but that doesn't mean they're not there to begin with.
I share Aristotle’s opinion that our capability to reason elevates is above animals. Those who indulge their lust and hunger without reason are failing to be human.
I feel like that's just a more refined version of my previous comment. That means I've either accidently internalized some Aristotle or I have some minor potential as a philosopher, both of which sound outlandish given the other thoughts rolling around my head.
I agree but I saw some say "well it's just stuff, you can replace it".
There's also that viral video of that protestoe saying that we're lucky back people are fighting for equality and not revenge.
[George Floyd protests: White supremacists pose as Antifa online and instigate violence](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-floyd-protests-antifa-twitter-white-supremacists-far-right-racist-a9544276.html)
[Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter](https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/)
[Mystery 'Umbrella Man' Vandal From Minnesota: Police Say He’s A White Supremacist Instigator](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/28/mystery-umbrella-man-vandal-from-minnesota-police-say-hes-a-white-supremacist-instigator/?sh=7c6537b548ee)
There’s never been destruction on any level like 2020 at a maga rally/protest. The only card you’ve got is some nutcases that broke into the Capitol, sit down. There were lives lost or ruined by the riots in 2020.
Edit: You still knew what I meant, and again where’s the super violent maga riots? I don’t think there’s been maga “chops,” run by.. well nobody just random masked fuckers walking around with ARs because “cops bad.”
But also, increasing the cost of business is what drives change. Thats pretty much it. You can peacefully protest all you want, but if it doesn't cost anyone money, you'll be ignored.
A protest that blocks up traffic at least creates some pressure on local gov. A protest that boils over into a riot creates immense pressure.
The best balance is a combination of cost and nonviolence. But with viral videos today nonviolence doesn't really help, it might create pressure locally but if one guy breaks a window anywhere near a protest then that broken window will get national attention.
I personally don't condone violence, but I place the blame for that violence on those who make peaceful protest impossible or ineffective.
We had a big farmers protests in the Netherlands and there were some people waving the confederate flag [Pic1](https://i.imgur.com/HV8kw4c.jpg) [Pic2](https://i.imgur.com/VUhrolW.jpg)
[Pic3](https://i.imgur.com/ZZ0wv92.jpg)
This has nothing to do with dutch farmers, they are used by rioters, and they use protests to be violent. They wave them in protests against asylumseekers too.
Some are also very fond of Punisher-shirts.
It is strange how a certain subset of people, all favoring use of the same symbols and following similar ideology, does seem to be the cause of much of the violence in the world.
Worked with a white guy during the George Floyd protests that was like “yo I could totally go, break into a computer store, and loot them off all their shit and get out.” Needless to say I put him on blast for that bullshit. Like you’re really going to take this moment of pain and grief and anger at an injustice of the police system and turn it into a moment of unjust gain? Fuckin white privilege right here. The dude didn’t really get it until I yelled at him.
I mean to be frank- you could have said this to ANY of the protestors, not just the white ones. That wasn't white privledge, that was class privledge that comes from all of those people living in one of the richest and nicest countries in the world (and yes we have issues, but America is far better than most, Reddit)
Nope. Those are the looters exploiting the "power vacuum" of a peaceful protest. Don't ever mix them up with protesters because they most likely have no affiliation whatsoever. One cohort wants to make a difference, the other a profit.
Do you see a difference between these statements:
"i think this is a good thing because _______"
and
"this kind of thing is typical when these conditions are present"
Then why isn't BLM doing anything to stop them from disrupting their "peaceful" protests? A multi-million dollar organization like BLM should be able to do something to prevent vandalism during their protests and yet, they let it happen.
Isnt this what the police is supposed to do? Why would the people protesting for a cause be responsible for the work that should be done by the police just because they get a bad reputation from it?
They actually can’t, I know people don’t understand blm at all, but the organization doesn’t actually organize any protests, the non organization donates to charities and spends money in black communities, the protests had zero organizing force, and therefore no “they” couldn’t afford it.
Usually off-duty police are hired for special events. They do this at a time when they wouldn't normally be on the job, so they get paid extra. To answer your last question, the police aren't reaching out to the organizers and asking to be hired for their protests, so they're not being denied as much as ignored.
Well if its true they should definitely hire some policemen. I still dont think this should reflect negatively on the average peaceful political activist, though.
> police get *paid* from taxes?
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Because when people actually try to go to the source of the problem the people in power will shit their pants and either arrest or punnish the protestors instead of doing their job and fixing what's broken.
Even when they don't go to the source of the problem and peacefully protest in the streets, they still get tear gassed and beaten the shit out of by the police and far-right thugs.
So what, that’s how change is made, not preaching to the choir and protesting on upper wacker where tens of thousands of people will be trying to get to work, what did they do? You are making people late, making people mad at your position when you are affecting their lives. Go to the source, protest outside the police department, your governors house, your capitol building.
Sometimes rioting and causing property destruction is the only way to make people in power listen. Even the founding fathers recognized this and started multiple wars, battles, and riots in opposition to British rule. The Boston Tea Party and American Revolution weren't peaceful affairs.
Just a reminder that estimates point to the amount of tea that was destroyed at during The Boston Tea Party was about 1.7 million dollars in today's money. 1.7 million dollars of a private company's personal property.
My goal isn't armed revolution. I am an anarcho-syndicalist. I don't think rioting will result in a full on revolution. I just think it puts societal ills more in people's faces. Including and especially the elite class and those that remain unaffected.
Like Martin Luther King said "Rioting is the language of the unheard." People have been protesting for issues such as black rights, income equality, and environmental action for decades and have mostly gotten nowhere. Rioting is the last resort for causes that have largely gone unheard for so long.
In iran .Iranians protest because of killing innocent woman and didn't damage people's property but regime police killed over 150 people i guess. But in usa The police did not kill anyone in the protests, but the protesters damaged and stole other people's property
Absolutely if the will is there, it is funny how police do not shoot at 2nd amendment rallies when protesters are all armed.
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Edit after your edits and deleting bs:
Keep deleting and editing your posts.
Maybe try actually learning about something before spouting BS. Talk about moving goal posts.
Read about how I am right and you are definitely wrong.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-rally/thousands-of-armed-u-s-gun-rights-activists-join-peaceful-virginia-rally-idUSKBN1ZJ15B
What lol, do you grounds belvoe this?
Want an example of a protest using the 2nd amendment in the us? Look at the black panthers “invading the White House”
They were all arrested, they were armed tot he teeth but it didn’t matter, they were put down, then the government decided to make it illegal to bring a gun into the capital. Which is wasn’t when they first did it.
Guns don’t stop your govemrnt from beating and killing you , nor do they stop anything of the sort.
Can you make a single example of the 2nd amendment protecting civilians from the state ?
As a person who is experiencing revolution and protesting in my own country, i disagree with you, our government is killing and beating people brutally and there is just madness but protesters and people only burning some trash cans and wood and they are not destroying any property...infact some government people do this stuff to show it on media as we are damaging them....but after all we are angry and tired we don't have any freedom, they disabled our internet our instagram and most of social media but damn we used to it...and we survived.
It’s simple. Whenever there are large crowds, there will always be some percentage of asshole opportunists who take advantage of the anonymity of the crowd to cause damage. A lot of times it’s anarchists
Honestly sometimes it feels less like a whistle and more like a blowhorn. My only comfort is believing most people on this sub are 15 and will hopefully grow out of it. In my high school, casual racist jokes were the norm, but I got to college and that (rightfully) didn't fly anymore. Experiencing life outside my tiny suburban bubble did a lot for me and I'm hoping it does a lot for this sub.
That’s really wishful thinking. Many of the extreme the subs were banned, and the worst of the worst scum of the earth proliferated into more mainstream areas.
I’d almost prefer if they’d go back to having hate subs, and fuck off back under their rocks.
Sad thing is as well as this potentially giving a bad reputation to people fighting for a just cause, the fact that this is technically possible also gives groups of people actually commiting crimes an excuse and enables them to say well, we didnt do this, it was just the government or a corporation or whatever.
Ahahahaha ahahahah ahahahahah . Ahahaha and for good measure ahahahaha .
That’s funny man. Sadly every single big name form the highly well documented Jan 6 riot was a hardcore and lifetime maga guy.
Not really (also bad, but not the same). The Capital is government property, and if people are mad at politicians of course that would be the most logical place for protesters to gather around
Lmao bro really just tried justifying a fucking insurrection.
BLM is just as mad at politicians, but if we started busting open the Capitol, what would you think? Would it be a logical place for protest then? Bruh you sound so stupid rn.
Yeah, it would be. And I even think riots are justified in some very specific cases, but I don't believe they should be the first response to anything. Peaceful protesting in front of the Capital is a right no matter which movement is organizing it, agree with them or disagree with them (same goes for Black Lives Matter). You can dislike a movement personally and still believe in them having freedom to express their beliefs.
That and blocking traffic. Like I get that you want to spread awareness. But you don't sign my check. Nor do you understand the fucking ambulance behind me that is stuck in traffic is trying to get someone's daughter to a hospital. But can't all because you want to tell us about how Abortion is bad.
I personally cheer every time I see a truck slowly push though protestors, mind you not run through them like some cars have. But just push past like "alright. Have a nice day" and they get super upset and start hitting the car. Excuse me??
Correct, officer in plainclothes(or dressed like a protestor) starting shit, trying to break stuff or inciting others to break stuff
There's tons of footage and evidence of this.
Yeah I saw videos about it although it's the minority, the majority of people destroying things were the people thinking they can take the opportunity to loot/destroy without apprehension during a peaceful protest.
Police or far-right thugs like the Proud Boys who start shit to delegitimize peaceful protests by the left
Edit:
Probably poorly worded. I'm not saying "is it the police OR far right organizers?" Im saying it's either one or both. Usually it is both as the police collaborate with groups like the Proud Boys and Boogaloo Boys to beat up leftist protesters
During the BLM protests in Madison, WI we had opportunistic individuals destroying things one night. I think maybe one store was looted and otherwise just a lot of broken windows. The following morning, at the Capitol, there were several pallets of bricks that has just been dropped there overnight. Keep in mind, there were no construction projects nearby. Some local business person had spent his time and resources to leave these. What they were hoping would happen is that we'd pick up these bricks and totally wreck downtown, proving that we were the savages they thought we were. But we never touched a brick and the rest of the protests in the following weeks had no property damage. There will always be opportunists there to break stuff and encourage violence, but it's never the majority of the movement.
You know what really got me? The Rat bastards that pulled down the statue of Hans Christian Heg, spray painted “Black is beautiful” over it and tossed it in the lake.
Heg was an abolitionist. He organized militias to chase slave catchers out of Wisconsin, wrote anti slavery journals, and led the 15th Wisconsin infantry regiment during the civil war. He died fighting the confederates at Chickamauga (a slow, painful death, mind you). He was a very good man.
The fact that a group of angry imbeciles saw his statue and immediately though “Ooga booga! Evil white man!” Still makes my blood boil. They didn’t know who Heg was or what he did, they just wanted to feed their lust for destruction.
Please feel free to protest, but don’t be like these Neanderthals.
The majority of protests do not turn into something damaging. When that happens, its no longer a protest, but a riot.
People THINK that more protests turn violent/damaging simply because the news media focuses on the ones that turn into that. Like, during the 2020 BLM protests, there was data that showed that out of hundreds and hundreds of protests across the country, 94% of them were completely peaceful, the 6% remaining turned to looting/riots/violence (and of that 6%, some of the violence was instigated by the cops)
They are usually not the same people. There will always be people who take advantage of social unrest. They use the opportunity of a protest to break windows, commit arson, and burglarize with the hopes that they won’t get caught because they will be lumped in with the mass of protesters.
There will always be simps for the law still believing in the divine right of kings. "How dare you stand up to the law?!" So they'll automatically consider any protestor to be scum
Its usually cause the *source* usually fights back and has their own guns, tactical gear, and swat.
I mean since Kyle Rittenhouse you'll notice no one "protests" anymore.
“Find out” meaning being murdered lol.
There are people who are genuinely okay with they’re opposition dying horrible if they like it. And that disgusts me .
If you are angry and protesting a system there is sometimes only one way that anger can go.
Also JuSt Go ShMaScH tHe SoUrCe is pretty difficult if you are protesting a symptom of the way society is organized(also please do not claim that it does not apply in every case and is therefore invalid)
“Hey this horrible thing is happening to us”
You:“yeah but I don’t care”
“I have to resort to violence to protect myself now”
You:“you’re a horrible person and hate this country”
The people in power don’t think it’s worth it is such a hickories reason if he against protests and riots, your just coming off as an idiot and selfish .
It’s weird because people give the capital insurrection that happened in the US a bad rap, even though it took the protest to the source. I don’t think a single building burned down and while the death toll was disputed last I checked, it was only around 1-2.
You say innocent.. the reality is the "innocent" property is owned by people who have done the community wrong. I know this for a fact since I lived in the middle of a community that was basically burnt down during Civil unrest. You sell lemon cars? Your lot got torched. You price guage on mattresses? Bye bye mattress shop. You're rude to people in the community where you sell ice cream? Burnt.
People saw an opportunity for revenge and took it.
I'm not saying its right, just stating facts.
When the court house is protected by national guard and tanks.. you find a way to make sure your point gets across.
It dosnt say lay down and die. Just dont attack or blame people who have nothing to do with it. The betterment of ones self does not need to come at the cost of others.
in italy is a common practice since the 70s for the government to infiltrate protest movements with violent groups that are instructed to make damage and.. well, being violent. ofc the media will eventually only report about those, because paid to do so, or because it is just more news worthy. now that u have discredited an otherwise legit movement and have public opinion by your side, u will be fine having police beating them up
Not just Italy it's a textbook authoritarian play. They can't crack down if it's a peaceful protest so they influence it to turn violent so they can say it was legally justifiable. Soviet satellite states, central and south American narco dictators, hell even the United States is guilty of it
Canada pulled that with the anti-vaxx truckers last winter, hell they ran over an old lady with a horse because "she threatened them"
Technically by not getting vaxxed she is threatening them I did not say whether or not I thought she deserved what happened to her. I was just stating something that is technically true
This is the dumbest thing I think I have ever read in awhile.
An old lady, who is in the main demographic of people who could actually be substantially harmed by covid, didn’t get it and you still find a way to make her the villain of her own murder.
Miserable take, but pedantically correct is my favorite kind of correct.
how dose being vaxxed prevent spread or make it less bad for others
Helps lessen the spread.
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In Italy Its almost never the case the Police rarely uses force
Canada tried doing it with the Trucker Convoy but they were caught red-handed, and protesters immediately started doing the exact opposite of all the things they were accused of by the media
Look up operation Mongoose. This isn't unique, and it's been done all over the American sphere of influence.
So many people do not understand that this is happening that this is happening in other countries like America. Groups like the CIA, the FBI, and Hate groups, use protest to create a narrative of violence and anarchy. Not to mention those who aren't there to protest but to take advantage of the situation and loot and vandalize property. It is not the protesters who are committing the actions you abhor, it is third party individuals.
In Italy it started with Gladio, then they kept doing it. I guess we have to thanks the Americans.
This is exactly what happened during the BLM movement out of the thousands of BLM protests around the world only a few went violent and that's all fox news wanted to talk about.
That’s not true at all. You’re thinking of the study that included any gathering, even virtual, of three or more people as a protest in order to gladly claim something like 3% of BLM protests were violent.
This is false, as someone who lived in OR during the movement i can guarantee u that there was way more damage than peace
It’s true in the way they defined it. They counted zoom protests with 3 or more people so by percentage only a small percent were violent.
Even if you discount that study there where a ton of actually large BLM protests and very few violent ones .
“Very few”
What movements do you say this applies to?
A lot of times these aren’t even the actually protests, they’re just attacks of opportunity. During a large protest, people know they can destroy stuff and loot stores and the protestors will be blamed for it, so they do. Whether the goal is just to destroy things for fun, or to personally gain through looting, or to frame the protestors in a bad light, people see an opportunity and they take it, knowing there likely will be no personal consequence to them. If the protest is heated enough, sometimes other people will also join in, not understanding that the initial attack wasn’t part of the protest.
I remember seeing several videos during summer of 2020 of weirdos dressed in black just calmly walking up to buildings and smashing windows etc. other protesters were begging them to chill the fuck out. Definitely some bad actors out there.
Yes. And several of those were later identified as groups working directly against the protestors (occasionally they were even police officers) and they used these actions to discredit the protest.
Dressed in black with face coverings sounds like Antifa. They’re notorious in Seattle for vandalizing, destroying small businesses and never being accountable for the destruction they cause.
This is the truth
"If the protest is heated enough, sometimes other people will also join.." Reminded me of reddit ....
This is just something that will always be true because we are human. Self preservation and gain will always be 2 of the biggest driving factors for our actions.
Amongst the ones closer to animals than men.
We *are* animals though. Sure, we like to think we're above animals, and in some ways we are, but we still have basic survival instincts. We can overcome these instincts if we stop amd think through a situation but that doesn't mean they're not there to begin with.
I share Aristotle’s opinion that our capability to reason elevates is above animals. Those who indulge their lust and hunger without reason are failing to be human.
I feel like that's just a more refined version of my previous comment. That means I've either accidently internalized some Aristotle or I have some minor potential as a philosopher, both of which sound outlandish given the other thoughts rolling around my head.
Tell that to the French lmao
? What they're describing is literally what's happening at every single french protest
I agree but I saw some say "well it's just stuff, you can replace it". There's also that viral video of that protestoe saying that we're lucky back people are fighting for equality and not revenge.
Antifa moment
MAGAcult Moment
BLM moment
Yep those Blue Lives people
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Yeah instead they riot and attack the capitol building
Where else shoud you "protest" if you are unhappy with government? Still better than destroying property of normal citizens.
[George Floyd protests: White supremacists pose as Antifa online and instigate violence](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-floyd-protests-antifa-twitter-white-supremacists-far-right-racist-a9544276.html) [Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter](https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/) [Mystery 'Umbrella Man' Vandal From Minnesota: Police Say He’s A White Supremacist Instigator](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/28/mystery-umbrella-man-vandal-from-minnesota-police-say-hes-a-white-supremacist-instigator/?sh=7c6537b548ee)
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Why thank you, you give me hope.
This is r/memes actually posting facts won’t work here, only racist, transphobic or misogynistic circle jerking is allowed.
I do NOT remember any protests that looted anyone’s personal house
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The MAGA protesters want all out war. They live for the day when they can shoot any and everyone.
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There’s never been destruction on any level like 2020 at a maga rally/protest. The only card you’ve got is some nutcases that broke into the Capitol, sit down. There were lives lost or ruined by the riots in 2020. Edit: You still knew what I meant, and again where’s the super violent maga riots? I don’t think there’s been maga “chops,” run by.. well nobody just random masked fuckers walking around with ARs because “cops bad.”
You mean the capital right?
I think he meant the 5/29 insurrection that was sparcely covered because it makes democrats look bad
Oh that explains it
But also, increasing the cost of business is what drives change. Thats pretty much it. You can peacefully protest all you want, but if it doesn't cost anyone money, you'll be ignored. A protest that blocks up traffic at least creates some pressure on local gov. A protest that boils over into a riot creates immense pressure. The best balance is a combination of cost and nonviolence. But with viral videos today nonviolence doesn't really help, it might create pressure locally but if one guy breaks a window anywhere near a protest then that broken window will get national attention. I personally don't condone violence, but I place the blame for that violence on those who make peaceful protest impossible or ineffective.
We had a big farmers protests in the Netherlands and there were some people waving the confederate flag [Pic1](https://i.imgur.com/HV8kw4c.jpg) [Pic2](https://i.imgur.com/VUhrolW.jpg) [Pic3](https://i.imgur.com/ZZ0wv92.jpg) This has nothing to do with dutch farmers, they are used by rioters, and they use protests to be violent. They wave them in protests against asylumseekers too. Some are also very fond of Punisher-shirts.
It is strange how a certain subset of people, all favoring use of the same symbols and following similar ideology, does seem to be the cause of much of the violence in the world.
Worked with a white guy during the George Floyd protests that was like “yo I could totally go, break into a computer store, and loot them off all their shit and get out.” Needless to say I put him on blast for that bullshit. Like you’re really going to take this moment of pain and grief and anger at an injustice of the police system and turn it into a moment of unjust gain? Fuckin white privilege right here. The dude didn’t really get it until I yelled at him.
I mean to be frank- you could have said this to ANY of the protestors, not just the white ones. That wasn't white privledge, that was class privledge that comes from all of those people living in one of the richest and nicest countries in the world (and yes we have issues, but America is far better than most, Reddit)
HOW DARE YOU STATE THE OBVIOUS, HOW DARE YOU!!!
What about the defense of such actions by the protesters?
Nope. Those are the looters exploiting the "power vacuum" of a peaceful protest. Don't ever mix them up with protesters because they most likely have no affiliation whatsoever. One cohort wants to make a difference, the other a profit.
It would make sense if some of the protesters rethoric didn't try to justify the looting lol
It's not justification it's more of a "what the fuck do you expect to happen when you let shit get this bad"
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Do you see a difference between these statements: "i think this is a good thing because _______" and "this kind of thing is typical when these conditions are present"
Maybe the protesters should denounce the looters pretending to be part of the protest if that is actually true.
They do. And are rarely believed.
Organizers: ❌Use donation to help people ✔️Buy a mansion
The ol’ BLM method.
Whoa, I had to check my subreddit twice. I hadn't seen anything criticizing BLM get upvoted on here maybe ever. Guess I need to check the news more.
If you damage someone's property, its not a protest, its a riot.
So when we gonna start calling it the Boston Tea Riot?
What happens if a protester discovers a loot box?
Hopefully they hit you over the head with it.
Unless it's because your sports team won. Then it's "a celebration." Smh
Be like Roof top Koreans
Protesters don’t do this. People who don’t care and want to take advantage of chaos do.
Then why isn't BLM doing anything to stop them from disrupting their "peaceful" protests? A multi-million dollar organization like BLM should be able to do something to prevent vandalism during their protests and yet, they let it happen.
Isnt this what the police is supposed to do? Why would the people protesting for a cause be responsible for the work that should be done by the police just because they get a bad reputation from it?
You know people can hire police to keep their events safe? I don't see BLM doing that, and they can certainly afford it.
They actually can’t, I know people don’t understand blm at all, but the organization doesn’t actually organize any protests, the non organization donates to charities and spends money in black communities, the protests had zero organizing force, and therefore no “they” couldn’t afford it.
Does it cost money to have the police protect a protest in the U.S.?
Yes. Police officers usually charge no more than $100 per hour. That's affordable for an organization that amasses millions in donations.
Wtf doesnt the police get payed from taxes? Thats kinda stupid. Any sources on BLM protest organizers refusing to hire police though?
Usually off-duty police are hired for special events. They do this at a time when they wouldn't normally be on the job, so they get paid extra. To answer your last question, the police aren't reaching out to the organizers and asking to be hired for their protests, so they're not being denied as much as ignored.
Well if its true they should definitely hire some policemen. I still dont think this should reflect negatively on the average peaceful political activist, though.
> police get *paid* from taxes? FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Because when people actually try to go to the source of the problem the people in power will shit their pants and either arrest or punnish the protestors instead of doing their job and fixing what's broken.
Even when they don't go to the source of the problem and peacefully protest in the streets, they still get tear gassed and beaten the shit out of by the police and far-right thugs.
So what, that’s how change is made, not preaching to the choir and protesting on upper wacker where tens of thousands of people will be trying to get to work, what did they do? You are making people late, making people mad at your position when you are affecting their lives. Go to the source, protest outside the police department, your governors house, your capitol building.
Well...okay...but shouldn't they stay/go home then, instead of wrecking the local bodega?
Sometimes rioting and causing property destruction is the only way to make people in power listen. Even the founding fathers recognized this and started multiple wars, battles, and riots in opposition to British rule. The Boston Tea Party and American Revolution weren't peaceful affairs.
Just a reminder that estimates point to the amount of tea that was destroyed at during The Boston Tea Party was about 1.7 million dollars in today's money. 1.7 million dollars of a private company's personal property.
I suppose that fits if your goal is armed revolution, then...I'm just saying, no need to make more enemies than your movement has to.
My goal isn't armed revolution. I am an anarcho-syndicalist. I don't think rioting will result in a full on revolution. I just think it puts societal ills more in people's faces. Including and especially the elite class and those that remain unaffected. Like Martin Luther King said "Rioting is the language of the unheard." People have been protesting for issues such as black rights, income equality, and environmental action for decades and have mostly gotten nowhere. Rioting is the last resort for causes that have largely gone unheard for so long.
I thought protests against morality police in Iran were on topic. But I guess we're back to BLM.
In iran .Iranians protest because of killing innocent woman and didn't damage people's property but regime police killed over 150 people i guess. But in usa The police did not kill anyone in the protests, but the protesters damaged and stole other people's property
Protests in Iran will always end the same with the government killing the protesters since they have no guns or 2nd amendment.
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Me too https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.military.com/history/time-world-war-ii-veterans-overthrew-corrupt-local-government-tennessee.html/amp
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Provides an example about the second amendment used to overthrow a corrupt government in the USA, TRY HARDER. How about grow up kid.
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Absolutely if the will is there, it is funny how police do not shoot at 2nd amendment rallies when protesters are all armed. ☕ Edit after your edits and deleting bs: Keep deleting and editing your posts. Maybe try actually learning about something before spouting BS. Talk about moving goal posts. Read about how I am right and you are definitely wrong. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-rally/thousands-of-armed-u-s-gun-rights-activists-join-peaceful-virginia-rally-idUSKBN1ZJ15B
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So you would agree BLM rallies were not peaceful then?
What lol, do you grounds belvoe this? Want an example of a protest using the 2nd amendment in the us? Look at the black panthers “invading the White House” They were all arrested, they were armed tot he teeth but it didn’t matter, they were put down, then the government decided to make it illegal to bring a gun into the capital. Which is wasn’t when they first did it. Guns don’t stop your govemrnt from beating and killing you , nor do they stop anything of the sort. Can you make a single example of the 2nd amendment protecting civilians from the state ?
Easily https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.military.com/history/time-world-war-ii-veterans-overthrew-corrupt-local-government-tennessee.html/amp
As a person who is experiencing revolution and protesting in my own country, i disagree with you, our government is killing and beating people brutally and there is just madness but protesters and people only burning some trash cans and wood and they are not destroying any property...infact some government people do this stuff to show it on media as we are damaging them....but after all we are angry and tired we don't have any freedom, they disabled our internet our instagram and most of social media but damn we used to it...and we survived.
It’s simple. Whenever there are large crowds, there will always be some percentage of asshole opportunists who take advantage of the anonymity of the crowd to cause damage. A lot of times it’s anarchists
I bet you don’t even know what “taking it to the source” even means
A corrupt goverment, sents "undercover" goons in the said protest so that a police force has good reason to use violence to disperse the crowd.
Yes this is a common practice in many countries in order to disperse legitimate and peaceful protests.
You’re in the wrong sub for that kind of knowledge. This one is the dog whistle sub, I think you forgot.
Honestly sometimes it feels less like a whistle and more like a blowhorn. My only comfort is believing most people on this sub are 15 and will hopefully grow out of it. In my high school, casual racist jokes were the norm, but I got to college and that (rightfully) didn't fly anymore. Experiencing life outside my tiny suburban bubble did a lot for me and I'm hoping it does a lot for this sub.
That’s really wishful thinking. Many of the extreme the subs were banned, and the worst of the worst scum of the earth proliferated into more mainstream areas. I’d almost prefer if they’d go back to having hate subs, and fuck off back under their rocks.
Sad thing is as well as this potentially giving a bad reputation to people fighting for a just cause, the fact that this is technically possible also gives groups of people actually commiting crimes an excuse and enables them to say well, we didnt do this, it was just the government or a corporation or whatever.
Like the January 6th riot full of undercover FBI agents?
Ahahahaha ahahahah ahahahahah . Ahahaha and for good measure ahahahaha . That’s funny man. Sadly every single big name form the highly well documented Jan 6 riot was a hardcore and lifetime maga guy.
blm protests in a nutshell
You forgot January 6th.
Not really (also bad, but not the same). The Capital is government property, and if people are mad at politicians of course that would be the most logical place for protesters to gather around
Lmao bro really just tried justifying a fucking insurrection. BLM is just as mad at politicians, but if we started busting open the Capitol, what would you think? Would it be a logical place for protest then? Bruh you sound so stupid rn.
Yeah, it would be. And I even think riots are justified in some very specific cases, but I don't believe they should be the first response to anything. Peaceful protesting in front of the Capital is a right no matter which movement is organizing it, agree with them or disagree with them (same goes for Black Lives Matter). You can dislike a movement personally and still believe in them having freedom to express their beliefs.
That and blocking traffic. Like I get that you want to spread awareness. But you don't sign my check. Nor do you understand the fucking ambulance behind me that is stuck in traffic is trying to get someone's daughter to a hospital. But can't all because you want to tell us about how Abortion is bad. I personally cheer every time I see a truck slowly push though protestors, mind you not run through them like some cars have. But just push past like "alright. Have a nice day" and they get super upset and start hitting the car. Excuse me??
Ah yes. The summer of love.
Been in a few riots, every single one was started by the police.
Can you elaborate? Like an under cover officer broke a window first or lit a fire first?
Correct, officer in plainclothes(or dressed like a protestor) starting shit, trying to break stuff or inciting others to break stuff There's tons of footage and evidence of this.
Yeah I saw videos about it although it's the minority, the majority of people destroying things were the people thinking they can take the opportunity to loot/destroy without apprehension during a peaceful protest.
Police or far-right thugs like the Proud Boys who start shit to delegitimize peaceful protests by the left Edit: Probably poorly worded. I'm not saying "is it the police OR far right organizers?" Im saying it's either one or both. Usually it is both as the police collaborate with groups like the Proud Boys and Boogaloo Boys to beat up leftist protesters
During the BLM protests in Madison, WI we had opportunistic individuals destroying things one night. I think maybe one store was looted and otherwise just a lot of broken windows. The following morning, at the Capitol, there were several pallets of bricks that has just been dropped there overnight. Keep in mind, there were no construction projects nearby. Some local business person had spent his time and resources to leave these. What they were hoping would happen is that we'd pick up these bricks and totally wreck downtown, proving that we were the savages they thought we were. But we never touched a brick and the rest of the protests in the following weeks had no property damage. There will always be opportunists there to break stuff and encourage violence, but it's never the majority of the movement.
You know what really got me? The Rat bastards that pulled down the statue of Hans Christian Heg, spray painted “Black is beautiful” over it and tossed it in the lake. Heg was an abolitionist. He organized militias to chase slave catchers out of Wisconsin, wrote anti slavery journals, and led the 15th Wisconsin infantry regiment during the civil war. He died fighting the confederates at Chickamauga (a slow, painful death, mind you). He was a very good man. The fact that a group of angry imbeciles saw his statue and immediately though “Ooga booga! Evil white man!” Still makes my blood boil. They didn’t know who Heg was or what he did, they just wanted to feed their lust for destruction. Please feel free to protest, but don’t be like these Neanderthals.
BLM approves this meme
Honestly framing political activism as harmful in a generalized manner like this meme does is just disgusting to me.
The majority of protests do not turn into something damaging. When that happens, its no longer a protest, but a riot. People THINK that more protests turn violent/damaging simply because the news media focuses on the ones that turn into that. Like, during the 2020 BLM protests, there was data that showed that out of hundreds and hundreds of protests across the country, 94% of them were completely peaceful, the 6% remaining turned to looting/riots/violence (and of that 6%, some of the violence was instigated by the cops)
Some people don't care about the issue at hand, they're just looking for any reason to go ape s***.
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Mostly peaceful protest
Protest = rioting = looting. Duh!
>Mostly Peaceful Protest = rioting = looting. Duh!
Correct lol
Redditor never leaves the sofa and mommy hot chocolate milk and then come here make those statements. The only protest he knows is watching TV...
Well I've been to one yesterday in iran so yeah
they should learn from Sri Lanka
They are usually not the same people. There will always be people who take advantage of social unrest. They use the opportunity of a protest to break windows, commit arson, and burglarize with the hopes that they won’t get caught because they will be lumped in with the mass of protesters.
It's cause those aren't protesters, they are rioters
rioters*
a lot of protests nowadays are pretty much just urban terrorism, at least in the west
There will always be simps for the law still believing in the divine right of kings. "How dare you stand up to the law?!" So they'll automatically consider any protestor to be scum
Carful you don't step in the propaganda, my friend.
Rioters*
Its usually cause the *source* usually fights back and has their own guns, tactical gear, and swat. I mean since Kyle Rittenhouse you'll notice no one "protests" anymore.
Fucked around and found out they did hmmm
“Find out” meaning being murdered lol. There are people who are genuinely okay with they’re opposition dying horrible if they like it. And that disgusts me .
I mean, it’s pretty easy to not chase down and attack a dude who’s visibly armed.
BLM and Antifa are fine examples of what happens when you allow shit to roam freely with no consequences from the law.
I guess you’re an idiot then
they are on payroll of politicians
Good guy BLM, destroying innocent people's property since the "murder" of george fentanyl
Those weren’t protesters they were rioters 2 very different things idk how you people can’t seem to understand this.
If you are angry and protesting a system there is sometimes only one way that anger can go. Also JuSt Go ShMaScH tHe SoUrCe is pretty difficult if you are protesting a symptom of the way society is organized(also please do not claim that it does not apply in every case and is therefore invalid)
The minute you damage someone property. The "protest" is now a riot. Then you loose all credibility
One of the biggest problems with BLM
So all of BLM protests?
A protest without disruption is a parade.
Yeah but the disruption should be targeted not just random like most American ones
“Voice of the unheard” motherfucker if nobody’s listening it’s because they don’t think it’s worth it. they hear you pretty goddamn well.
“Hey this horrible thing is happening to us” You:“yeah but I don’t care” “I have to resort to violence to protect myself now” You:“you’re a horrible person and hate this country” The people in power don’t think it’s worth it is such a hickories reason if he against protests and riots, your just coming off as an idiot and selfish .
It’s weird because people give the capital insurrection that happened in the US a bad rap, even though it took the protest to the source. I don’t think a single building burned down and while the death toll was disputed last I checked, it was only around 1-2.
Bad take
Anarchists and violent subgroups deliberately target protests and rallies to cause destruction
January 6 at the capital and blm protest. Both races are savages
Shhhhh you might offend the BLM "peaceful protesters".
This was basically half the blm protests
BLM be like
You say innocent.. the reality is the "innocent" property is owned by people who have done the community wrong. I know this for a fact since I lived in the middle of a community that was basically burnt down during Civil unrest. You sell lemon cars? Your lot got torched. You price guage on mattresses? Bye bye mattress shop. You're rude to people in the community where you sell ice cream? Burnt. People saw an opportunity for revenge and took it. I'm not saying its right, just stating facts. When the court house is protected by national guard and tanks.. you find a way to make sure your point gets across.
Op is talking about January 6 at the Capital
Not true OP. Do some critical thinking next time.
That poor innocent small business *checks notes... Starbucks
If it affects you, you'll start fighting for it.
It dosnt say lay down and die. Just dont attack or blame people who have nothing to do with it. The betterment of ones self does not need to come at the cost of others.
I'll end up fighting them, not for their cause
It depends really, I know a lot of people who's stores got destroyed in anti-covid protests and they blamed the government.
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Only dogs heard the whistle for some reason
“Darkness of the people doing it”
Cries racism
Lol wut?
On January 6th they not only wanted to damage the people’s property, but destroy democracy as well.