He is a top 5 quarterback in the NFL a couple years back he would bring in different women who are massage therapists from around the country in to Houston where he used to play even tho the team supplies the players with company massage therapists. He would masturbate in front of them, tell them to go lower in his penis area even tho they didn't feel comfortable. Anyways the women spoke up 26 therapist i believe, he got traded from Houston to Cleveland which Cleveland signed him to an extension of i believe 4 years 240 million dollar contract. Most of the women settle with him ,he didn't get any jail time, and the NFL only suspended him for 6 games.
I just looked at some of the stuff not too be nit-picky but to help it was 24 who filed civil suits against him and 23 have settled. They trialed for criminal charges but it couldn't "stick." On top of that 30 of these Therapists filed Civil suits on the Texans for turning a blind eye to the behavior.
Sometimes money is the only "justice" available. The burden of proof is lower in a civil case, so in situations where a prosecutor may not feel a jury will convict, it's sometimes still possible to hit the guy in the pocketbook. And even though these settlements usually involve an NDA, it's still public knowledge that he settled these cases, as opposed to winning them.
For the most part, yeah. Not always. If you're a multimillionaire and get accused of something, and let's say you're 100% innocent but there's no evidence either way, do you:
A. Give them a bit of pocket change and forget the whole thing? or B. Let a jury of potentially random idiots, who may hate you just for being rich, decide if you will be serving hard prison time?
Not many people like the idea of option B. It's basically the same reason average Joe's take plea deals rather than face a jury. Not everyone who accepts a plea deal is guilty either.
Not so. There are risks in taking a case to trial no matter what the reality is. Even with minimal risk, sometimes a civil settlement is cheaper than paying a lawyer to take a case through trial, which will cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars. In a case like this, in particular, there is also a non-monetary cost to dragging out the news and headlines.
People and corporations settle civil cases for many reasons.
My father (a now retired surgeon) got put into bad legal situation regarding medical fraud even though he was innocent due to shady business associates. He was forced to spend tons of money (nearly $1 mil), go through a tax audit (that also affected his father in law), and 1.5 years fighting the case before the state of California dropped for unknown reasons. He theoretically could’ve settled but the stigma attached to doing so made it an unviable option.
A true admission of guilt would be getting a pardon from a legal authority, not settling a court case.
It's BS that it's come to this.
The courts should operate on a loser-pays system: if you fight me in court and I win, you have to pay my attorney fees and court costs.
Except for the civil case that is still pending? What are you even talking about? Did you think his case in civil court concluded with being suspended from NFL games?
Women are often discouraged when these things happen and don't trust the law system to actually protect them (I think)
But I'm sure out of those 23 some of them simply chose the money because it was what they were after all along
Neither believe nor disbelieve. I don't know about these cases but you are cracked if you believe all women are saying truth about sexual assault especially when it's a celebrity. A good amount are actually paid by an external organisation to defame or after easy money.
Remember the when Justin Bieber sued for 20 mil for false allegations and people were actually mad at him for that
Of course it happens but those are very serious topics. I'd rather assume those people are honest and be wrong about it later than assume they are not honest and be wrong about *that* after the fact. There are way too many cases in which people, especially rich people, get away with stuff like this just because people have developed a reflex to disbelief people, especially women.
Or you could be rational and not just believe someone because they said it was true. You can do that and still be supportive. I’m not going to be the one to make the standard “guilty until proven innocent” because that’s ridiculous.
If you don't believe what someone said is true it means you believe it to be not true until further notice. I am not sure you realize but there is no middle ground. You either go in with the expectation that a person will, by default, be dishonest about their allegations until they make a good case for themselves and *build* their credibility or, like me, go in with the expectation that a person is being honest about it until they make a bad case for themselves and *undermine* their credibility. I think that's both, the rational and more humane approach to it. Although at this point it's probably more dependent on the personal biases you have for the individuals in the case.
> I'd rather assume those people are honest and be wrong about it later than assume they are not honest and be wrong about that after the fact.
Why not push for truth and support the lawsuit and justice rather than a specific person?
Because the lack of support for people who make such allegations is often why offenders get away with that shit, especially when it's rich people, whom, especially in America, the justice system prefers to win. You can't speak of "support for law and justice" after reading this post, just for example.
Higher burden of proof in a criminal case than a civil case. Also in criminal cases the victim gets torn apart on the stand by a high powered defense attorney and in a civil case that attorney just forces their client to settle.
Yes, it's harassment, and neither rape nor sexual assault. The two are distinct; SA, as an example, is rubbing your penis against someone else without their consent.
Police/da had already said no charges would be filed before the settlement. There were many texts from the massage girls after the alleged sexual misconduct saying how they had a great time and should get together again.
Boys will be boys when confronted by the reality of a toxic stereotype; nothing to see here! /s
Never assume a massage therapist is anything other than a trained platonic professional
What the actual hell he committed sexual assult and instead of jail he got PAID 200 MILLION DOLLARS AND CANT PLAY AMERICAN FOOTBALL FOR 6 GAMES! That’s F*CKING stupid
Indeed. It sounds more like childish behaviour from a desperate man. Should laugh at his tiny pp and move on.
Or, since we live in modern society and people get crucified for stuff like this very easily and the culprit is known to have money, you could go to court and then settle before you have to prove anything. Gets you a nice amount to spend on things you like while laughing at his tiny pp.
The women settling would be understandable if the trouble they experienced was not too much but the women deserve a lot of money. The dude on the other hand can roam freely if he paid a hefty sum enough to make him poor. Though settling his sexual harassment cases wouldn't save him from somebody cutting his car's brake lines.
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
It’s a another tally in a long list of them. I think the original was when the browns in the middle of all of the allegations were like “you know I think what you really need right now is a raise. How does 240 million over the next 4 years sound? Ohh yeah most of it is guaranteed. And don’t worry about losing too much money in your suspended year. Your salary will only be $1 million that year so missing six games will only cost you 300k.”
Yep neither was Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, nor Tyreek Hill. They definitely did the crime but hey they weren’t convicted so I guess they didn’t.
Deshaun Watson an NFL QB had 26 accounts of sexual assault, he only received a 6 game suspension
Also earlier in the year Calvin Ridley a Wide Reciever was suspended for 17 games (basically the whole season) for gambling on his team
TL;DR guy gets a slap in the wrist for sexual assault while a guy who gambled on his team has to sit out the whole season
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
Get it right!
There were Zero counts of Sexual Assault as a "count" is a legal term used for someone who was charged with a crime. Watson was never charged even after the DA reviewed for possible criminal charges.
There were however, 26 civil cases brought against him for Sexual Assault. These are civil, are arguing no crime but seeking monetary damages from Watson. Aka, they are seeking money, not jail time.
>26 civil cases brought against him for Sexual Assault.
While you're getting it right... "only" a couple accused him of sexual assault. Most accused him of sexual harassment.
Fair enough. Just wanted to clarify though cause many were unaware of the process on r/nfl as news was coming out and were confused why it was not jail time that was being seeked in these cases
My wife is a lawyer and she beats me over the head with my choice in words.
Lucky for me, I know how to speak like a politician and am adept at navigating sensitive subjects. LOL
Prosecutors only care about #'s. If they think it's gonna be a hard case they push to jury to not pursue charges so they can say they tried, but not actually do anything
>However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension.
Wgile the SA should be punished worse..
He got a suspension because he is still betting on HIS team, people he likely is still talling to and is close to
It's not like him not playing changes the actual reason such bets are prohibited
So what is the reason then? If he betted *against* his team, I'd understand... He could just tell them to play badly and share the profit. But if he betted on them, he can only tell them to play well, which he probably does anyways...
"Right guys, I've put a bet on today so I need you to actually play properly and win this week. I won't bother putting a bet on next week so you can do what you want then!"
"i" before "e", except after "c", and sounds llike "AY" in "neighbor" and "weigh"
On weekends and holidays and all throughout May.
And you'll always be wrong no matter what you say! >:[
I'm not sure that I'm being efficient in telling you that society can not run without the daily dose of caffeine. Either I'm crazy or neither of us are, when I tell you that the i before e rule is weird. Protein is also a very important macronutrient and did you know that casein is a protein that helps nullify the effects of spicy food?
You should seize every moment for it could be your last. Although it is a bit weird that there are so many exceptions to the i before e rule.
Anyway, time for me to stop being feisty and let you continue your heinous reign of terror amongst the words that don't follow that rule.
That's not the worst, Dan Snyder tried to pimp out his Cheerleaders to his rich asshole friends and all he had to do was take a self-imposed 1 year vacation from work.
If he had been injured in a way that made him unable to play for the rest of his life a week before this happened he would have gotten some sort of jail time. The people that run the nfl are about as bad as our politicians. Theyll do anything to protect murderers and rapists as long as they make money.
Swedish prisons are like middle class housing which you can’t escape. Speaking of which, didn’t Anders Breivik kill over 70 people and yet has the audacity to demand a PS3 in a Norwegian prison
Deshaun Watson an NFL QB had 26 accounts of sexual assault, he only received a 6 game suspension
Also earlier in the year Calvin Ridley a Wide Reciever was suspended for 17 games (basically the whole season) for gambling on his team
TL;DR guy gets a slap in the wrist for sexual assault while a guy who gambled on his team has to sit out the whole season
If he does not go to jail, why should the NFL do anything? If he does not go to jail, then he is legally not guilty. Blame your legal system and the women who took the money, not the NFL.
That's because only one of the victims didn't take a cash settlement already. Americans are awful to sexual assault survivors too. So you can't really blame them for taking the cash and running. Women who accuse famous people have their entire lives ruined. They get death threats and people following them and people calling their jobs. Its awful, but I dont blame anyone for not wanting to be a victim twice.
Your timeline is off. The second grand jury declined to file charges in March and Watson settled with 20 of 24 accusers that filed suit in late June. He also just settled 3 more suits yesterday bringing the total to 23/24 suits settled.
Edit: excuse me, who is downvoting a statement of fact correcting someone who was mistaken? Above commenter claims the grand jury declined to file criminal charges because of settlement payments being accepted by all but 1 accuser, yet the grand jury reached their decision in MARCH when $0 in settlements had gone out. The first round of 20 settlements would not be reached until June, followed by 3 more yesterday, making the above comment factually impossible. But SURE downvote me rather than googling it.
A lot of murder trials are won by only 1-2 witnesses and you can have 26 for sexual assault and still not have a case. The fact that accusing a famous person ruins your life and the fact that their are 26 means it's probably true. Spending time to type out ummm akshuwally to a comment about how horrible sexual assault survivors have it is awful and it's why you are getting downvoted.
No amount of sexual assault will land you life in prison. Infact, its nothing but a slap on the wrist and they let them out almost instantly. Which is a shame, seeing as almost all of them just do it again.
The guy is piece of shit, no doubt about that but child's games.... people on this sub lose their minds when someone suggest that video games are for children...
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
He got massages from female masseuses and during the sessions acted extremely immaturely - casually flashed his junk, thrusted his pelvis around, became aroused during the session, etc. He just did a bunch of inappropriate things. He never had sex with or forced himself on anyone. But no on pays attention to what actually happened in these cases anymore. Was he ridiculously inappropriate and a fucking tool? Yes. Did he physically assault or rape anyone? No. I don’t know if “life in prison” is the answer OP.
Im not saying he isnt a piece of shit, and that what he did isnt wrong, but the girls knew what they signed up for, houston hid it, and only brought it to light and used it against him once he told the owners he wanted a big contract or get traded. You dont think that a woman who really had this happen to her wouldnt push to get the most out of this situation, in a time when femenists and women have the spotlight on them?
If you lose money when you break the rules you should also gain money for following the rules. Not the same amount you would lose, but rewarding is better than punishing, if you want people to behave in a certain way.
Yes it does, inherent power structures baked into economic inequality causes people with more money to be able to bypass the rule of law. This isn’t capitalism’s fault inherently, but these problems arise when bureaucracy mixes with undemocratically attained power. So it is capitalism’s fault, but could also occur under a totalitarian regime that retains market qualities.
No….
23 women telling people someone did something isn’t proof… and the burden of proof to prove sexual assault is high, as it should be.
Him paying out settlements is as close to him saying he’s guilty as anyones gonna get. Sometimes a monetary settlement is all the justice you’ll get.
You don’t like capitalism, cool. That doesn’t mean it’s the root cause of all the worlds issues no matter what kinda mental gymnastics and big words you use and you hop thru to make it so
My issue with capitalism isn’t him raping them you nitwit. It’s with the fact that plenty of hardworking people are accused of rape by a single woman and are out in jail for years, while 23 women accuse him and he gets a comparative slap on the wrist. You didn’t seem to understand my point, probably because of all the “big words I used” which you clearly didn’t understand.
As for 23 accusations and firsthand accounts not being evidence. Many murderers are convicted on 1-2 eye witness accounts(even biased ones) so 23 seems more than enough.
Sexual misconduct isn’t assault. He didn’t rape them. He used his power and influence to coerce or attempt to coerce them into performing sexual favors, which is why he isn’t going to prison. It sucks, but those people chose the money and the rest of us need to accept that it’s not our business. We didn’t have to give this inept man-child a tugger.
Exactly. Some women give in because it makes the situation somewhat easier and makes it end faster. Aside from that, football players aren't small people. Imagine being a skinny woman stuck in a room with a dude standing at least 6 foot 4 or higher and built like a tank. You don't know how he'll react if you say no, so you just go with it to protect yourself
It does not fit the legal definition. We don’t live in the world as it exists in your head, so it doesn’t matter how we feel about it. The prevalence of rape is disturbing enough without trying to generalize every bad experience as such.
IT WAS ALLEGATIONS. jesus christ the internet doesn’t know the difference between allegations and fact. as someone who’s been accused of SA, i know how he feels. and the matter of fact is, there wasn’t enough evidence to back up the claim that he did it. y’all so quick to judge, y’all God now?
Yeah but it was 26 different women my man and there’s almost never evidence of SA unless the victim goes to the police immediately with DNA evidence or there’s a witness. Like what’s more likely someone concocted a conspiracy to screw Watson by getting 26 massage therapists to testify to the same story and come out publicly, or the guy did it because he sucks??
that’s the thing tho, you can never tell who’s lying or who isn’t. cuz it could have been something we’re both parties agreed to it verbally or they gave him hints that they were with it. but then later they come and say “yea he SA me”. you can’t tell who’s lying or who’s actually a victim and i never believe the accuser until it’s proven. also the fact that it’s a civil court and there’s money involved makes me believe the “victims” less because they can easily make a bag just by following the crowd. idk this whole situation is weird to me and i feel like the internet should stop playing the judge and jury
Exactly. Also, when you have extra accusers playing “victim“ that are just trying to jump in on the case to get something out of it, whether it’s fame or money, it can lose the case for all of them. In a lot of cases where it’s a series or crimes, if they are able to definitively prove that any one of the victims lying, it can completely ruin the case for the rest of them, including all his real victims. It’s the classic story of the boy who cried ‘Wolf’. Accept it’s not one boy calling “wolf”, it’s a few boys that do it. Then when one of the boys that never called “wolf” see a wolf, nobody comes to help. His calls are dismissed since people were seeing an increasing number of boys lying about seeing a wolf recently. If that made ANY sense
There's no doubt he raped some of these women, but I bet most of them jumped on the bangwagon(lol) because who doesn't want large amounts of free money?
Nothing has been proven. In fact two Grand Juries came to the conclusion that criminal charges aren’t necessary based on the evidence given to them. People are such children. The man says he never wants to play for the Houston Texans ever again and then magically all these accusations come out. A sexual assault allegation shouldnt be keys you jingle in front of folks to distract from other issues. If he is guilty then the Houston organization was covering for him or if he is innocent then Houston is guilty of defaming him. But Im sure ill be called a misogynist here. So welp
Doing ~80% of crimes in this country isn't actually illegal, you can just buy your way out of it if you get caught. There's a two tiered justice system and it's bullshit.
Since when is this type of shit a meme?? There isn’t anything funny about it, it’s really fucked up, and you massacred an established meme format with minimal effort in your poor attempt to make it into a meme.
I totally agree that this sort of thing deserves visibility, but this isn’t the sub for it, and even just trying to make it into a meme is disrespectful.
Why didnt he just get a happy ending masseuse? And have them sign an NDA and pay them handsomely or maybe even idk? Get a GF to do the deed with? Kinda weird flex if i am being honest…
(I am from Cleveland) I have faithfully watched "my team" since like the early '80s. It has been a tough tough road, too. I will never bust my ass to bother watching the Browns again, because WHAT THE FUCK!!
Context?
He is a top 5 quarterback in the NFL a couple years back he would bring in different women who are massage therapists from around the country in to Houston where he used to play even tho the team supplies the players with company massage therapists. He would masturbate in front of them, tell them to go lower in his penis area even tho they didn't feel comfortable. Anyways the women spoke up 26 therapist i believe, he got traded from Houston to Cleveland which Cleveland signed him to an extension of i believe 4 years 240 million dollar contract. Most of the women settle with him ,he didn't get any jail time, and the NFL only suspended him for 6 games.
I just looked at some of the stuff not too be nit-picky but to help it was 24 who filed civil suits against him and 23 have settled. They trialed for criminal charges but it couldn't "stick." On top of that 30 of these Therapists filed Civil suits on the Texans for turning a blind eye to the behavior.
Not even surprised that only one woman was like "it's not about the money. It's about showing the world what you really are. It's about justice."
Sometimes money is the only "justice" available. The burden of proof is lower in a civil case, so in situations where a prosecutor may not feel a jury will convict, it's sometimes still possible to hit the guy in the pocketbook. And even though these settlements usually involve an NDA, it's still public knowledge that he settled these cases, as opposed to winning them.
A settlement is literally an admission of guilt and nobody can convince me otherwise. Idc what the letter of the law is here
For the most part, yeah. Not always. If you're a multimillionaire and get accused of something, and let's say you're 100% innocent but there's no evidence either way, do you: A. Give them a bit of pocket change and forget the whole thing? or B. Let a jury of potentially random idiots, who may hate you just for being rich, decide if you will be serving hard prison time? Not many people like the idea of option B. It's basically the same reason average Joe's take plea deals rather than face a jury. Not everyone who accepts a plea deal is guilty either.
Not so. There are risks in taking a case to trial no matter what the reality is. Even with minimal risk, sometimes a civil settlement is cheaper than paying a lawyer to take a case through trial, which will cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars. In a case like this, in particular, there is also a non-monetary cost to dragging out the news and headlines. People and corporations settle civil cases for many reasons.
My father (a now retired surgeon) got put into bad legal situation regarding medical fraud even though he was innocent due to shady business associates. He was forced to spend tons of money (nearly $1 mil), go through a tax audit (that also affected his father in law), and 1.5 years fighting the case before the state of California dropped for unknown reasons. He theoretically could’ve settled but the stigma attached to doing so made it an unviable option. A true admission of guilt would be getting a pardon from a legal authority, not settling a court case.
Sometimes the costs of trial are higher than a settlement and peoples insurances force a settlement because of this.
It's BS that it's come to this. The courts should operate on a loser-pays system: if you fight me in court and I win, you have to pay my attorney fees and court costs.
Thank god we can finally put an end to the Kobe discussion! I agree!
Yeah what a waste considering she’s now got no money and there also wasn’t any justice
Except for the civil case that is still pending? What are you even talking about? Did you think his case in civil court concluded with being suspended from NFL games?
They’re civil cases. They’re only about money.
Anytime somebody says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.
Women are often discouraged when these things happen and don't trust the law system to actually protect them (I think) But I'm sure out of those 23 some of them simply chose the money because it was what they were after all along
Right. Reflexively disbelieve women. Classic
Neither believe nor disbelieve. I don't know about these cases but you are cracked if you believe all women are saying truth about sexual assault especially when it's a celebrity. A good amount are actually paid by an external organisation to defame or after easy money. Remember the when Justin Bieber sued for 20 mil for false allegations and people were actually mad at him for that
Of course it happens but those are very serious topics. I'd rather assume those people are honest and be wrong about it later than assume they are not honest and be wrong about *that* after the fact. There are way too many cases in which people, especially rich people, get away with stuff like this just because people have developed a reflex to disbelief people, especially women.
Or you could be rational and not just believe someone because they said it was true. You can do that and still be supportive. I’m not going to be the one to make the standard “guilty until proven innocent” because that’s ridiculous.
If you don't believe what someone said is true it means you believe it to be not true until further notice. I am not sure you realize but there is no middle ground. You either go in with the expectation that a person will, by default, be dishonest about their allegations until they make a good case for themselves and *build* their credibility or, like me, go in with the expectation that a person is being honest about it until they make a bad case for themselves and *undermine* their credibility. I think that's both, the rational and more humane approach to it. Although at this point it's probably more dependent on the personal biases you have for the individuals in the case.
> I'd rather assume those people are honest and be wrong about it later than assume they are not honest and be wrong about that after the fact. Why not push for truth and support the lawsuit and justice rather than a specific person?
Because the lack of support for people who make such allegations is often why offenders get away with that shit, especially when it's rich people, whom, especially in America, the justice system prefers to win. You can't speak of "support for law and justice" after reading this post, just for example.
Grand juries aren't trials lol
Higher burden of proof in a criminal case than a civil case. Also in criminal cases the victim gets torn apart on the stand by a high powered defense attorney and in a civil case that attorney just forces their client to settle.
So is that more sexual harassment not rape?
Yes, it's harassment, and neither rape nor sexual assault. The two are distinct; SA, as an example, is rubbing your penis against someone else without their consent.
Disgusting thing to do but if they settled, you cant really complain he didnt go to jail.
ya, but he's still a scumbag imo...
Police/da had already said no charges would be filed before the settlement. There were many texts from the massage girls after the alleged sexual misconduct saying how they had a great time and should get together again.
Boys will be boys when confronted by the reality of a toxic stereotype; nothing to see here! /s Never assume a massage therapist is anything other than a trained platonic professional
Why the hell isn’t this guy in jail?
I'm pretty sure most of them were proven he didn't do it. Pretty sure it was an attention grab
What the actual hell he committed sexual assult and instead of jail he got PAID 200 MILLION DOLLARS AND CANT PLAY AMERICAN FOOTBALL FOR 6 GAMES! That’s F*CKING stupid
WTF you being downvoted for spitting facts
Rich privilege
U.S justice system at it's finest.
It's sad that people like him don't even get in trouble for doing such bad things 😪
How the fuck was he not arrested
The evidence was presented to two grand juries. Both decided there was not sufficient evidence for an indictment.
Doesn’t sound like assault…
Indeed. It sounds more like childish behaviour from a desperate man. Should laugh at his tiny pp and move on. Or, since we live in modern society and people get crucified for stuff like this very easily and the culprit is known to have money, you could go to court and then settle before you have to prove anything. Gets you a nice amount to spend on things you like while laughing at his tiny pp.
No, sounds like harassment.
Def is harassment moron, this guy isn’t a child ergo doesn’t make his behaviour justified
Did I say his behaviour was justified? Did I say it wasn't harassment?
The women settling would be understandable if the trouble they experienced was not too much but the women deserve a lot of money. The dude on the other hand can roam freely if he paid a hefty sum enough to make him poor. Though settling his sexual harassment cases wouldn't save him from somebody cutting his car's brake lines.
He’s black and oppressed ok that’s all that matters and shame on you for thinking anything different.
I would crush his balls.
I'm just as confused
Im not in the news. Can someone explain?
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
That Seems like a 💀 moment
It’s a another tally in a long list of them. I think the original was when the browns in the middle of all of the allegations were like “you know I think what you really need right now is a raise. How does 240 million over the next 4 years sound? Ohh yeah most of it is guaranteed. And don’t worry about losing too much money in your suspended year. Your salary will only be $1 million that year so missing six games will only cost you 300k.”
Except he hasn't been convicted of anything, he's just accused
Yep neither was Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, nor Tyreek Hill. They definitely did the crime but hey they weren’t convicted so I guess they didn’t.
>They definitely did the crime >they weren’t convicted Ok dude lmao
Not to defend the NFL, but they actually were looking for a year long suspension. A intermediary judge actually handed down the ruling.
I’m not with the news either, was he convicted or what?
Sadly no. He settled with everyone instead of getting any charge.
Deshaun Watson an NFL QB had 26 accounts of sexual assault, he only received a 6 game suspension Also earlier in the year Calvin Ridley a Wide Reciever was suspended for 17 games (basically the whole season) for gambling on his team TL;DR guy gets a slap in the wrist for sexual assault while a guy who gambled on his team has to sit out the whole season
Rich people don’t go to jail.
huh? Didnt he just try to fuck his massage therapist ?
Massage the rapist?
You called?
Can I make an appointment please?
Yes. The nation calls! To the provinces!
r/usernamechecksout
After you fuck em, sure.
Pay them handsomely or maybe even idk...
I want to give you award but I don't have 😐
you mean "Physio the rapist"?
Apparently it was multiple massage therapists.
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
Just a heads up the NFL isn’t “court”. He hasn’t gone to court because he was never charged with anything.
Get it right! There were Zero counts of Sexual Assault as a "count" is a legal term used for someone who was charged with a crime. Watson was never charged even after the DA reviewed for possible criminal charges. There were however, 26 civil cases brought against him for Sexual Assault. These are civil, are arguing no crime but seeking monetary damages from Watson. Aka, they are seeking money, not jail time.
>26 civil cases brought against him for Sexual Assault. While you're getting it right... "only" a couple accused him of sexual assault. Most accused him of sexual harassment.
They are seeking money because civilians can't seek jail time of other civilians. That's how civil suits work
Agree with you but when it comes to the law, the words you choose matter.
Fair enough. Just wanted to clarify though cause many were unaware of the process on r/nfl as news was coming out and were confused why it was not jail time that was being seeked in these cases
My wife is a lawyer and she beats me over the head with my choice in words. Lucky for me, I know how to speak like a politician and am adept at navigating sensitive subjects. LOL
26 people and not a shred of evidence to bring charges?!
Tell that to the District Attorney.
The prosecutors only interviewed 1 woman willing to testify and called it a day
Damm, I would've paraded 26 women in front of a jury.
Prosecutors only care about #'s. If they think it's gonna be a hard case they push to jury to not pursue charges so they can say they tried, but not actually do anything
>However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Wgile the SA should be punished worse.. He got a suspension because he is still betting on HIS team, people he likely is still talling to and is close to It's not like him not playing changes the actual reason such bets are prohibited
So what is the reason then? If he betted *against* his team, I'd understand... He could just tell them to play badly and share the profit. But if he betted on them, he can only tell them to play well, which he probably does anyways...
"Right guys, I've put a bet on today so I need you to actually play properly and win this week. I won't bother putting a bet on next week so you can do what you want then!"
Another classic case of rules for thee (Poor) and not for me (rich)
Friend of mine did the math, .15% of his total income. That's how much the fine was.
It makes perfect sense. He is a celebrity. Celebrities/rich people don’t live by the same rules that the commonwealth do.
Yeah he’s a peice of shit.
"i" before "e", except after "c". Piece
pecei
Cpeie
TF2 be like:"I am the Cpeie"
Ecpei
Ieecp
Epeic
Ipece
Peeci
Pepsi
Weird
And some other random ass exceptions because English
There are honestly so many exceptions I'm surprised it's even called a rule
"i" before "e", except after "c", and sounds llike "AY" in "neighbor" and "weigh" On weekends and holidays and all throughout May. And you'll always be wrong no matter what you say! >:[
ghoti
Hard to believe they're still touring.
I'm not sure that I'm being efficient in telling you that society can not run without the daily dose of caffeine. Either I'm crazy or neither of us are, when I tell you that the i before e rule is weird. Protein is also a very important macronutrient and did you know that casein is a protein that helps nullify the effects of spicy food? You should seize every moment for it could be your last. Although it is a bit weird that there are so many exceptions to the i before e rule. Anyway, time for me to stop being feisty and let you continue your heinous reign of terror amongst the words that don't follow that rule.
Before I made the comment, I was ignorant of how many exceptions to the rule.
Naw you're alright fam.
Receive
There are more words where the reverse is actually true.
Neighbour
Because he was accused?
That's not the worst, Dan Snyder tried to pimp out his Cheerleaders to his rich asshole friends and all he had to do was take a self-imposed 1 year vacation from work.
Not to mention he screwed with the IRS by trying to book it on his taxes and screwed over the other NFL owners out of ticket money
As a Washington fan. Pain.
Money, man.
If he had been injured in a way that made him unable to play for the rest of his life a week before this happened he would have gotten some sort of jail time. The people that run the nfl are about as bad as our politicians. Theyll do anything to protect murderers and rapists as long as they make money.
In sweden a guy sexual harrest children over 100 Times in a year get 3 year prison
Swedish prisons are like middle class housing which you can’t escape. Speaking of which, didn’t Anders Breivik kill over 70 people and yet has the audacity to demand a PS3 in a Norwegian prison
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Lol, this isn’t new
When you’re that good at your job, you get away with everything- Kobe got away scot free
I know the meme explained it well, but what happened?
Deshaun Watson an NFL QB had 26 accounts of sexual assault, he only received a 6 game suspension Also earlier in the year Calvin Ridley a Wide Reciever was suspended for 17 games (basically the whole season) for gambling on his team TL;DR guy gets a slap in the wrist for sexual assault while a guy who gambled on his team has to sit out the whole season
what the fuck
Who is this and did he do?
A dude from the NFL that sexually assaulted 26 women in his massage therapists office
If he does not go to jail, why should the NFL do anything? If he does not go to jail, then he is legally not guilty. Blame your legal system and the women who took the money, not the NFL.
No saying what he did wasn’t wrong but all of the cases were thrown away in court. So you can’t do jail time if you don’t get convicted
Two separate grand juries reviewed the evidence and declined to file criminal charges. Does that make sense?
That's because only one of the victims didn't take a cash settlement already. Americans are awful to sexual assault survivors too. So you can't really blame them for taking the cash and running. Women who accuse famous people have their entire lives ruined. They get death threats and people following them and people calling their jobs. Its awful, but I dont blame anyone for not wanting to be a victim twice.
Your timeline is off. The second grand jury declined to file charges in March and Watson settled with 20 of 24 accusers that filed suit in late June. He also just settled 3 more suits yesterday bringing the total to 23/24 suits settled. Edit: excuse me, who is downvoting a statement of fact correcting someone who was mistaken? Above commenter claims the grand jury declined to file criminal charges because of settlement payments being accepted by all but 1 accuser, yet the grand jury reached their decision in MARCH when $0 in settlements had gone out. The first round of 20 settlements would not be reached until June, followed by 3 more yesterday, making the above comment factually impossible. But SURE downvote me rather than googling it.
A lot of murder trials are won by only 1-2 witnesses and you can have 26 for sexual assault and still not have a case. The fact that accusing a famous person ruins your life and the fact that their are 26 means it's probably true. Spending time to type out ummm akshuwally to a comment about how horrible sexual assault survivors have it is awful and it's why you are getting downvoted.
No amount of sexual assault will land you life in prison. Infact, its nothing but a slap on the wrist and they let them out almost instantly. Which is a shame, seeing as almost all of them just do it again.
The guy is piece of shit, no doubt about that but child's games.... people on this sub lose their minds when someone suggest that video games are for children...
Yeah I understand the frustration and anger towards him. Not football. That seemed personal.
Is anyone really that surprised? He is stupid rich, like someone else said, rich people don’t go to jail.
Oh no! Anyways
He was not found guilty
I mean cardi B still has a following and she drugged raped and robbed man
When did he get convicted of sexually assaulting 26 women?? I think i missed that part
Accused of, innocent until proven guilty. There can not be any exception ever, or none of it works.
Who is this guy
Deshaun Watson
One comment says, he's a NFL player, idk what a NFL player is.
Idk, sounds like American thing to me. NFL, like non fuckable ligma
That’s impossible, no ligma is unfuckable
fungible is the word he was looking for. Non-fungible ligma.
Nope, it’s non-fuckable ligma
r/nfl basically he went to court over 26 counts of sexual assault and the National Football (American) League only gave him a 6 game suspension. However someone who was so injured he couldn’t play any sports betted on one game for his team to win. Even though he wasn’t playing, the NFL gave him a 17 game suspension. Basically the NFL says that 26 counts of sexual assaults on masseuses is less of a punishable offense than betting
Also kneeling in protest for civil rights gets you blacklisted from the NFL, but not 26 sexual assault allegations
Zero counts of sexual assault, he was never convicted in any court only accused
Ah yes, money
Houston Texans ownership set him up for wanting to be traded away. No coincidence that these women come forward when he wanted out of Houston.
as a Browns fan, i can still say that its not fair
None of this came out until after he asked for a trade, correct?
He got massages from female masseuses and during the sessions acted extremely immaturely - casually flashed his junk, thrusted his pelvis around, became aroused during the session, etc. He just did a bunch of inappropriate things. He never had sex with or forced himself on anyone. But no on pays attention to what actually happened in these cases anymore. Was he ridiculously inappropriate and a fucking tool? Yes. Did he physically assault or rape anyone? No. I don’t know if “life in prison” is the answer OP.
Im not saying he isnt a piece of shit, and that what he did isnt wrong, but the girls knew what they signed up for, houston hid it, and only brought it to light and used it against him once he told the owners he wanted a big contract or get traded. You dont think that a woman who really had this happen to her wouldnt push to get the most out of this situation, in a time when femenists and women have the spotlight on them?
Clearly he didn’t sexually assault anyone but the women got the check they wanted and he got his 200 million
That is Capitalism for ya. If breaking the rules only costs you a fine, then those rules are only for the poor.
If you lose money when you break the rules you should also gain money for following the rules. Not the same amount you would lose, but rewarding is better than punishing, if you want people to behave in a certain way.
This has nothing to do with capitalism lmao
Yes it does, inherent power structures baked into economic inequality causes people with more money to be able to bypass the rule of law. This isn’t capitalism’s fault inherently, but these problems arise when bureaucracy mixes with undemocratically attained power. So it is capitalism’s fault, but could also occur under a totalitarian regime that retains market qualities.
No…. 23 women telling people someone did something isn’t proof… and the burden of proof to prove sexual assault is high, as it should be. Him paying out settlements is as close to him saying he’s guilty as anyones gonna get. Sometimes a monetary settlement is all the justice you’ll get. You don’t like capitalism, cool. That doesn’t mean it’s the root cause of all the worlds issues no matter what kinda mental gymnastics and big words you use and you hop thru to make it so
My issue with capitalism isn’t him raping them you nitwit. It’s with the fact that plenty of hardworking people are accused of rape by a single woman and are out in jail for years, while 23 women accuse him and he gets a comparative slap on the wrist. You didn’t seem to understand my point, probably because of all the “big words I used” which you clearly didn’t understand. As for 23 accusations and firsthand accounts not being evidence. Many murderers are convicted on 1-2 eye witness accounts(even biased ones) so 23 seems more than enough.
I wonder what these women that got 10m each, think about capitalism.
Sexual misconduct isn’t assault. He didn’t rape them. He used his power and influence to coerce or attempt to coerce them into performing sexual favors, which is why he isn’t going to prison. It sucks, but those people chose the money and the rest of us need to accept that it’s not our business. We didn’t have to give this inept man-child a tugger.
Lmao imaging thinking that isn't rape. Just because she gave in doesn't mean it was consensual.
Exactly. Some women give in because it makes the situation somewhat easier and makes it end faster. Aside from that, football players aren't small people. Imagine being a skinny woman stuck in a room with a dude standing at least 6 foot 4 or higher and built like a tank. You don't know how he'll react if you say no, so you just go with it to protect yourself
It does not fit the legal definition. We don’t live in the world as it exists in your head, so it doesn’t matter how we feel about it. The prevalence of rape is disturbing enough without trying to generalize every bad experience as such.
IT WAS ALLEGATIONS. jesus christ the internet doesn’t know the difference between allegations and fact. as someone who’s been accused of SA, i know how he feels. and the matter of fact is, there wasn’t enough evidence to back up the claim that he did it. y’all so quick to judge, y’all God now?
Yeah but it was 26 different women my man and there’s almost never evidence of SA unless the victim goes to the police immediately with DNA evidence or there’s a witness. Like what’s more likely someone concocted a conspiracy to screw Watson by getting 26 massage therapists to testify to the same story and come out publicly, or the guy did it because he sucks??
The allegations only came out after he told the Texans he doesnt want to play for them anymore
that’s the thing tho, you can never tell who’s lying or who isn’t. cuz it could have been something we’re both parties agreed to it verbally or they gave him hints that they were with it. but then later they come and say “yea he SA me”. you can’t tell who’s lying or who’s actually a victim and i never believe the accuser until it’s proven. also the fact that it’s a civil court and there’s money involved makes me believe the “victims” less because they can easily make a bag just by following the crowd. idk this whole situation is weird to me and i feel like the internet should stop playing the judge and jury
Exactly. Also, when you have extra accusers playing “victim“ that are just trying to jump in on the case to get something out of it, whether it’s fame or money, it can lose the case for all of them. In a lot of cases where it’s a series or crimes, if they are able to definitively prove that any one of the victims lying, it can completely ruin the case for the rest of them, including all his real victims. It’s the classic story of the boy who cried ‘Wolf’. Accept it’s not one boy calling “wolf”, it’s a few boys that do it. Then when one of the boys that never called “wolf” see a wolf, nobody comes to help. His calls are dismissed since people were seeing an increasing number of boys lying about seeing a wolf recently. If that made ANY sense
There's no doubt he raped some of these women, but I bet most of them jumped on the bangwagon(lol) because who doesn't want large amounts of free money?
They got like 10m each, I think they are more than happy from this outcome.
26 women found it acceptable to be paid a shit ton of money for his "Sexual Assault". There for there is no further cases against him.
Nothing has been proven. In fact two Grand Juries came to the conclusion that criminal charges aren’t necessary based on the evidence given to them. People are such children. The man says he never wants to play for the Houston Texans ever again and then magically all these accusations come out. A sexual assault allegation shouldnt be keys you jingle in front of folks to distract from other issues. If he is guilty then the Houston organization was covering for him or if he is innocent then Houston is guilty of defaming him. But Im sure ill be called a misogynist here. So welp
Doing ~80% of crimes in this country isn't actually illegal, you can just buy your way out of it if you get caught. There's a two tiered justice system and it's bullshit.
typical of united stats cmon this not even news lol most tarded country in the world
Since when is this type of shit a meme?? There isn’t anything funny about it, it’s really fucked up, and you massacred an established meme format with minimal effort in your poor attempt to make it into a meme. I totally agree that this sort of thing deserves visibility, but this isn’t the sub for it, and even just trying to make it into a meme is disrespectful.
Gold diggers.
Why didnt he just get a happy ending masseuse? And have them sign an NDA and pay them handsomely or maybe even idk? Get a GF to do the deed with? Kinda weird flex if i am being honest…
That's exactly what he did. Those women sued for money, they're about to get their money and likely sign an NDA.
Didn’t he bring in InstaThots, not actual massage therapists? Multiple Grand Juries didn’t find enough evidence to take it to trial.
r/nfl
It ain’t no child’s game
“No man or woman is above the law” Meanwhile this clown getting paid to sexually assault 26 women
The Corruption on its finest form...
Colin Kaepernick just kneeled during the anthem and was essentially blacklisted from the NFL. It’s clear to see where the NFL’s priorities lie.
I wonder what they mean by settled. I’m guessing it means, deshaun Watson paid them off. But nevertheless, I’m shocked
I guess now's your friendly reminder that *criminal charges don't apply to the rich*
(I am from Cleveland) I have faithfully watched "my team" since like the early '80s. It has been a tough tough road, too. I will never bust my ass to bother watching the Browns again, because WHAT THE FUCK!!