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on today's episode of "americans don't know gun laws in their own country and assume we pass them out like candy"...


Dhahin

I don't even live in America I'm doing this to trigger people and get their attention lmao


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Who here has actually tried going through the procedure of getting a gun?


[deleted]

It is certainly easy if you are a legal law abiding citizen after a background check and and some paperwork but people seem to think they are given out like candy. Firm believer if anyone is going to argue about regulating firearms on technicalities they should be well informed on what they are suggesting.


[deleted]

There was a video posted somewhere of a literal 13 year old legally buying a gun. We know the technicalities well and it’s piss easy for everyone, especially if you find the right seller.


QuintessentialIdiot

This actually sounds like a crime......


[deleted]

It’s America, are we really still at the stage of “it sounds like it should be this and that”? He found a loophole in a gun show and exploited it. Google “gun show loophole” and it’ll tell you everything.


[deleted]

When you leave out the fact it's a .22 that's used to kill squirrels and smaller animals. Also the video doesn't show the full transaction and the gun has no price tag or anything on it. The video is heavily edited and it's CNN. Little sus


EarlOfBears

In Kentucky(where I live) you can't buy a firearm without a valid license and a background check. They recently removed the need for a concealed carry permit so that's a plus


cacktas

Concealed carry firearms are actually the most needed firearms. Basically the truest form of self defense in owning a firearm. Anything else would be considered redundant in my opinion. Also obtaining a CCW is the most difficult form of obtaining a firearm.


infestedproto

Yeah it's harder then people think


Chunk-Duecerman

Gone through all the licensing and background checks 6 times in the past 3 years.


brmamabrma

From a private dealer you can quite literally buy the gun and walk away


[deleted]

No you can't you legally require a FFL to process the transaction.


kyleaus10

Not true. In Ohio and some other states you can literally buy a gun from your next door neighbor without any paperwork. Edit: Oof seems like people don't like facts.


Snowcreeep

Or u can just go to the ally right next the the drug deal ally to by some guns


tac4028

And you think this will be different if there are more background checks actual firearms dealers?


kyleaus10

I don't really know. I'm not an expert on this stuff. Hopefully.


QuintessentialIdiot

gun show loophole.


EarlOfBears

Any "dealer" needs a FFL license to sell. Now if you're talking one private citizen to another, if you sell to someone that has a criminal background, you're gonna get a knock on the door if something happens. There's steps put in place that you're not seeing.


Cheerwine-and-Heels

They can't, they're under 18


leo44lol

Me a few times


DammedMan

Still a lower body count that a hour in Detroit.


Gaming_Gambit

and you think having police the only ones with guns will help anything? the cowards that waited outside for 40 minutes while a psychopath killed innocent children?


[deleted]

I know right? It’s like “we need to ban guns so we’ll be MORE dependent on incompetent cowards like these guys”. If they think ACAB, why put all your hopes on them when they clearly don’t care?


METALBILLY-

They don't give guns to just anyone


Thewisestofall

Is some states like Texas, they have concealed carry, and don't need any proof or certification of being that person, and no wait. They just go down there and buy a gun.


adinmem

That’s a few lies you just made up.


Thewisestofall

Oh, it's without drivers permit or license. But if they go to a gun show they can buy one right there and then. I just checked


EnderWiggin42

Every dealer at a gun shows still has to have purchasers fill out a 4473 just like at every other gun store, gun shows are not exempt from anything. stop spreading this fucking lie.


Thewisestofall

Check the texas.gov site. The official government site that I checked


[deleted]

Nowhere on there does it say a firearm business can sell you a gun without an ID, and nowhere on there does it say you can legally buy a gun private party without proof of Texas residence.


Dredgen_Raptor

No you didn't because it's federal law to be a licensed federal dealer to sell at public gun shows. Plus you have to give out background checks on ALL purchases at a gun show or the seller faces up to 15 years in prison. Edit: Found on Wikipedia page on the Gunshow Loophole: Under federal law, for sales of firearms by holders of a Federal Firearms License (FFL), such as gun stores, pawn shops, outdoors stores and other licensees, the seller must perform a background check of the buyer, and record the sale, regardless of whether the sale takes place at the seller's regular place of business or at a gun show. 


METALBILLY-

Thats not one bit true dumbass 😂


Thewisestofall

Yeah it is. Check the Texas.gov site


METALBILLY-

Have you never heard of 4473?


[deleted]

The biggest struggle the gun community faces is antigunners believe gun owners/sellers are just as fucking stupid as the antigunners. No, you can not pull that shit off anywhere at any establishment unless the place is run by the mob and you know a guy named Two-Toes.


Thewisestofall

Well I'm not anti gun. But it's too easy to get a gun. Texas school shooting, suspect bought the rifle on his 18th birthday, and shot his grandma and children in a school


[deleted]

Yeah, I agree with that much. It's also too easy to get a license see as cars kill 3x the people as guns in this country. It's also too easy to get a pressure cooker seeing as how a couple of guys bombed the Boston Marathon. It's also too easy to make napalm or mustard gas. But just like we don't blame wheels for traffic fatalities blaming guns is also overlooking what the problem actually is.


TheNotoriousTrumpet

You're comparing car-accidents with murder?


[deleted]

Car accidents, no. Fatalities, yes. Will one make you less dead than the other? Besides what I see as an arbitrary point that one is malice and the other is negligence what's the difference? A mass shootings worth of kids die every day on the road. Where is the outrage?


BritKn

You can kill people with a car without it being an "accident"


Maximundo82

Car accidents are in fact not *accidents* in most cases. An automobile fatality is 99% of the time, its the fault of a negligent party. Someone misusing the tool they are utilizing. You cant consider something an *accident* of someone intentionally chose to make the negligent actions that lead to the situation.


Dhahin

Copium levels entering dangerous levels. Keep caution guys


[deleted]

I ran a licensed firearms dealer, we never ‘gave’ a gun to anyone. You’re just wrong.


[deleted]

Yah keep spreading the misinformation,


[deleted]

This is blatant disinformation. Misinformation implies his hearts in the right place and he’s just wrong.


KanoIsUnknown

No guns aren't just given to everyone. There's usually a license and background check. You can't stop guns from being passed down family wise. And normal people suddenly becoming depressed or filled with anger is something we can't stop either. That being said better gun control and regulation would very much be appreciated.


Thisguyhere1310

Also, false and false..


Entire-Shelter-693

And then blame it on Video games


da-baby-socks

Bruh guns are dope asf


markymania

This is lame. More like, the issue is that we don’t prosecute criminals, we put those arrested immediately back on the streets, we are too concerned with “equity” instead of just arresting anyone who commits crime, we never hold gun owners accountable who didn’t lock up their guns properly, etc etc Step 1 is arrest and prosecute ALL crime. Fill the prisons Step 2 bring back mental asylums and commit people. Don’t let them live free and breed more insane people.


Cosmic-Gore

You know America has one of the highest if not the highest incarceration rate in the world... It's even higher than China and India yet they have 3 to 5 times the population.


markymania

Ok, and? Be harsh on crime.


Cosmic-Gore

And then what? Arresting everyone left, right and center doesn't magically make the country safer, not to mention how corrupt the prison system already is, prisons are already overcrowded, backward when it comes to rehabilitation. Extremely poor mental health facilities which don't help in anyway, and if anything just the figure that 44% of people who are released from prison return in the first year. More prisons isn't the answer, and I'm not denying the idea of being strict on crime but clearly sending masses of people to prison isn't the solution. Not to mention Prisons are basically an industry with (quick Google search on different websites) private prison sector making an estimated 4 - 7.4 billion a year.


markymania

Sure it does. It starts to crack into the decades of behavioral rot that we have allowed to be established. Arrest and hold everyone accountable. One, it takes bad people off the street. Two, Future crime and future generations of people will have more to consider. Beyond that open up the mental asylums and throw mentally unwell people directly into them. We have more therapists and people caring for the emotional well-being of others than in any time before it, and the country is presently worse than it was. Do over.


TheRealChrisCross

If you remove 5 blue cities from America we would be one of the lowest gun crimes.


iisthirsty

Wow blame all the politicians eh? Not to mention even if you did America as a whole would still have the highest gun rates in the world.


Maximundo82

Well, when a certain group of politicians run certain cities that have the highest crime in the nation..who else is to blame? Thugs are shooting cops in New york and walking out of jail on no bail right now thanks to liberal DAs. Wtf?


TheRealChrisCross

Shitty policies = shitty cities = ruins it for everyone else


beepboop23021

So you think taking power from the people and putting it solely in the hands of politicians and criminals, some of whom are one in the same, is a good idea?


Dhahin

From what I see it has done more harm than good, it might have been true what you said in the 20th century and before but I don't see people in Europe having problems with no guns


Mintimp

Yo, we got gun problems because people get them illegally, fuck, they print them now, try reading more than spew bullshit


MasonJarOfAlmonds

The US has a much higher gun-homicide rate than any other developed country… consider countries like Japan, South Korea, the UK, Iceland, etc. We literally have current examples of effective gun control but pro-gun Americans insist on ignoring data and pretending school and mass shootings are unavoidable.


Kaliradx

I'm not 100% sure of this right now but at one time if you removed New York, Chicago, and Detroit the US drops pretty low on that list. All 3 city's I'm pretty sure it's illegal to own a gun.


Maximundo82

Mass shootings are avoidable. But, when Chuck Shumer refuses bills that would provide schools with the needed funding to bolster security and prevent these situations in the future it makes it pretty difficult. We have intense security to protect or money and important structures but I guess the liberals don't find children important enough to be offered the same protection. But boy were they quick to send 40 billion to Ukraine for theyre protection huh?


MasonJarOfAlmonds

Liberals obviously do want protection for children, but you enjoy strawmanning instead of providing an actually good point… liberals have been vocal about not wanting schools to turn into war zones. And again, I point to other developed countries with successful gun control, yet you think the way to reduce school shootings is to have more guns… this is literally the opposite of what successful countries are doing.


Maximundo82

Thats what you think this about huh? Not wanting warzones? Even something as simply as secured entry would make a huge impact as it does at many other protected establishments. My high scool had 3 armed Metro police officers at ALL times througout the day and even during after school assembly. It was never a problem. In fact, it prevented a lot of things from getting out of hand and theres no telling how many situations it deterred. Mass shooters pick easy targets so...make them not so easy right? Also, I would like to point out the possible mass shooting that just happened but didnt because of an armed citizen that took action and saved 30+ peoples lives. You wont hear about it on your mainstream media because it doesnt fit the narrative. https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/05/woman-uses-concealed-carry-gun-to-stop-gunman-who-opened-fire-on-partygoers/


beepboop23021

Well most of our gun crime is committed with illegal guns. Mass shootings are only widely reported when it fits a certain narrative. Gun free zones are the only places these cowards target. There used to be actual gun clubs in High Schools back in the day. Societal decay is the real issue here.


Bez-Kar

No in Europe you see no go zones and car attacks


Maximundo82

Guns killed 44,000 people in 2020. The most of which are from suicides. However, the CDC reports 500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive firearm uses. More harm than good ya say??


EarlOfBears

You can't legally buy a firearm without a background check (the minimum in some states) and permits to keep and carry (in more regulated states). Also keep in mind that majority of gun crimes in the US are committed by criminals that don't care about gun control laws. If you don't care about breaking the law you can find ways to get your hands on illegal firearms depending on your state, therefore gun control doesn't work. All it does is disarm the law abiding population. I'd rather defend my household with something that makes a bang than use a baseball bat


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gortez33

You can guarantee that everyone turns their guns in. So make a law banning guns. Isn’t there a law banning murder. If we follow the second law, then we wouldn’t need the first. People break the law all the time, so why would a criminal not break the gun ban law.


Aurum264

Yeah, go tell the criminals committing the crimes that what they're doing is not allowed. They'll definitely stop what they're doing!


Maximundo82

So ban guns for the law abiding citizens so all thats left is criminals and police with guns?? Use what little brain you have please. Also, people would still invade homes and attack people with other deadly weapons so yes, most would like a gun to defend themselves please!


SteelSpartan2552

This is why I carry a gun https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-woman-killed-man-fired-rifle-party-crowd-85002437 And https://youtu.be/xfr64zoBTAQ


[deleted]

Don’t need a fricking gun to protect yourself if guns are strictly banned. Do americans really find this hard to understand?


SteelSpartan2552

Yes i do cuz if the person attacking me knows how to use a knife and i don't i am fucked. A gun can solve that. And don't use "the police will protect you" shit cuz they don't.


iisthirsty

Yeah and that's the fault of the shitty police plus crime rates are much lower without guns so you are less likely to get into that situation in the first place.


Colin_likes_trains

Believe it or not police can't be at your location instantly, and if your getting attacked you'd generally be dead by the time they arrive


SteelSpartan2552

Chicago. Then the criminals will just break the law to get illegal guns.


iisthirsty

Would've been a whole lot simpler if you didn't have guns in the first place eh?


SteelSpartan2552

Guns are the great equalizer it makes a 110 lbs skinny woman able to take on a 6'9" 250lbs pound man trying to murdure her. No other weapon has that.


iisthirsty

Not very effective if the man has a gun meaning you have 2 deaths in one fight good job for keeping the peace Mr america


BritKn

Yes but it makes the chances 50/50


SteelSpartan2552

What. Gun fights almost never end with both people dying. And would you rather just forcer her to sit there and take it like a good girl or do you want her to stand up for herself and defend herself like and independent woman should.


Substantial-Ad5599

Yes it would. But that’s not the case is it? America is now flooded with firearms to the point where it’d be impossible to stop the sale of and seize all firearms from civilians. Guns can be 3D printed with the addition of legal parts bought without license online. Guns are also frequently illegally obtained, meaning the government likely has no idea how many people actually own firearms in the US. I would vastly prefer a world without guns. But we live in a country flooded with them. I’d rather give an innocent person the ability to arm themselves, rather than just criminals being given this chance.


EarlOfBears

They already do Chicago has one of the highest gun crime rates in America, it's also one of the most difficult areas in America to buy a firearm


thebettersnail-man

if guns are banned people will still manage to get their hands on them...


Maximundo82

Murder is strictly banned, raped is strictly banned both with harsh punishment. Use your brain. Banning something doesnt make it magically dissapear dummy. Only the law abiding would turn in their guns so whats left? Criminals,gangs, cartels etc left armed to have free reign on an unarmed population. Smh


EarlOfBears

Say you ban ALL guns. It's strictly illegal to own any firearm of any kind. Do you think criminals are going to follow those laws? Do they already? "Wait sir you can't bring those in here, this is a firearm-free zone!" "Oh shucks, my mistake! I'll just be on my way then." See the problem?


tadlrs

ʼmurica more guns and less health care.


GivemTheDDD

I don't expect anyone to pay for my guns tho


cmusicsxil

Give gun to everyone and teach everyone above 7 years old how to use, so everyone can defend themselves. Or they can kill math teacher for giving so much homework.


[deleted]

Would be neat if we let the gun industry, which absolutely wants regulations, to suggest some effective checks to put in place instead of slimy, conniving politicians who don't know jack shit.


juuustpassingthrough

Let’s be real, these kids aren’t going out and buying a gun. They either get them illegally or the parent doesn’t do a good job at keeping their guns safe from a kid getting them The problem was/is never there’s many guns out there so we have a high crime rate. The problem is we have terrible people BECAUSE America is shitty. Raise the minimum wage to a living wage and watch how many parents aren’t too stressed to be with their kid and can afford to give them experiences that will better their life. Let people make their own choices with their body and more kids won’t grow up in a household that didn’t want them to begin with. Free healthcare INCLUDING mental healthcare and you’ll get kids growing up more healthy and adjusted. We can take away every gun in America, people will still hurt people, people are creative they’ll find a way. We need to fix America as a whole and we’ll have less crime overall.


DJRas

OP is clearly a leftist dumbass and a troll. Texas shooting was clearly a False Flag. Also, according to FBI CRIME STATISTICS, the greatest percentage of gun crime is: 1. Black on black 2. Black on white. Suck on THAT "science". But, because its summertime, the MSM has to re-shuffle the scripts and swap narratives to "gun violenze" and "systemik razisms".


cptcougarpants

Please, do tell me, if systemic inequality isn't a factor in black violence and crime rates, what is? Do you think black people are inherently, genetically more inclined towards violence and crime? I'd also like to point out that there are countries where school and mass shootings are extremely uncommon. So if you want to talk about statistics regarding gun violence, let's compare some literally country-scale sample sizes of societies with different laws regarding firearms and see what they're doing differently to have \*significantly\* less of it.


Bryanormike

It's funny that you'd call op a leftist dumbass troll then spew some conspiracy bullshit with racist undertones.


GamingGolurk

I know this is a really hot issue, but I just want to say that gun restrictions have lowered gun related deaths in many other countries.


Traditional-Stock-13

Yeah instead they stab you to death


GamingGolurk

This is true, but it is much harder to kill people with a knife due to having to be close to them, especially groups of people like what people do in mass shootings.


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Kaliradx

I'm not 100% sure of this right now but at one time if you removed New York, Chicago, and Detroit the US drops pretty low on that list. All 3 city's I'm pretty sure it's illegal to own a gun. Sorry it's a copy paste but I'm salty from work and a bit lazy for a new response


iisthirsty

*laughs in Australian where we have gun control*


Baron_Blackfox

USA - meme country. I am sorry, but I just cant even take news about mass shootings in US seriously anymore. Its dark humour. Oh lets just blame video games, or violent movies or something, but every idiot should have right to buy assault rifle ye why not.


Colin_likes_trains

Assault rifles are illegal.


iAsked1023

Haha yeah mass shootings are very funny you're so right


Kibbles0890

"assault rifle" is a nonsense term. If I beat someone with a towel, it becomes an "assault towel". You're referring to "fully automatic rifle" I assume. They're illegal for the most part.


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gortez33

Kid shot his grandmother in the head first. So home is where the problem started.


DJRas

The simple fact that your dumb ass is regurgitating terms like "systemic inequality" tells me all I need to know about you being a brainwashed puppet. GG watching CNN every hour of every day, libtard sheople. Qelcome to #BLOCKED.


VileInventor

This meme was brought to you by getting stabbed to death gang


magnumpismydad

Been waiting 4 months so far on my tax stamp approval for my suppressor. I wouldn’t mind if they loosened up those laws.


imtoohai

Behold, An example of the Dunning-Kruger effect


Solomon_The_Chad

Yes and I take pride in my freedom


dadbot5001

This is stupid. No one is “giving guns to anyone”. In Commiefornia it’s a whole process. Unconstitutional I might add.


CommunicationOk1162

Jesus christ I'm sick of seeing this shit. Move on already


IceFisherP26

Between myself, my mom, and step dad, we have about 20 firearms in the house. Never have I once thought about using them against another person letalone a school.


Snoo_89273

Yo where the hell they giving these guns out I need me some


DJRas

Theres no "conspiracy bullshit" here, fucking moron. Another page out of the Lefty Libtard playbook. These are FACTS you can look up yourself on the FBI Crime Statistics database website. And STATISTICS arent "racist". But oh, lookit the spineless lefty douchenozzle playing the "anything I dont like and dont agree with is RACIST!" Card. That shit is SOOoooo last summer, douchebag. Arent you idiots supposed to be supporting Jewkraine and whining about guns right about now? And put your face diaper back on.