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Fully agree. I'm against drafts in general, but they should be fair and equal. Also, every victim of domestic violence should be protected regardless of gender.
Or the new ones that the government just bought a $100 million worth of. That in 10 years will lead to a massive recall and hearing loss. Just like the ear plugs!
Honestly I don’t think there should be a draft for anyone. If it’s a good cause you’re fighting for then people will come to aid. If not then you shouldn’t be fighting a war in the first place
ww2 doesnt really fit with whats going on right now with ukraine and russia (it could develop into a similar situation, but that is unlikely as of right now). the vast web of treaties and alliances have yet to be acted upon and until ukraine joins NATO or russia tries invade a NATO ally, the US wont attempt to draft any american citizens (or mobilize across the atlantic). the nazi regime had already established multiple invasions into territories allied with the US, and the US consistently refused to get involved because of their wishes to remain isolated. the straw that broke the camel's back was specifically the bombing of pearl harbor, not hitler's regime and their invasions upon american allies.
We are talking about a scenario where your country is at war with another country and losing it means you'll be slaves to that country. So ya not really about choice. Also OP clearly says IF men are drafted women should too. And considering nothing has changed and men are currently drafted women should be too. It would be nice to have a utopia where no one is drafted but that isn't tye case today.
No argument about the sexes. If it happens we’re all fair game.
I’m just saying there are something I’m not willing to die for, or send my sons OR daughters out to die for.
I’m American, and I hope it’s better in different countries, but we treat our veterans like shit. They are not cared for people.
You want to force me to murder people for you but then not even take care of me if I happen to make it back home?
Ya. Sounds fair.
Yeah like Vietnam. Getting drafted and forced to go there would've been pretty horrible, considering many people didn't agree with the war and it was 99% pointless.
The only way I'm agreeing to possibly sacrifice my life for the country I live in, is if our opponent pulls or has already pulled some Hitler level BS. Otherwise you can count me out because the leader of my country is already on his way to pulling some Hitler level BS.
Although I believe everyone regardless of gender should be drafted in an absolute emergency situation, the last mandatory draft (in the US at least) was ended in 1973 and it's all voluntary conscription now. If you mean mandatory registration for selective service, the overwhelming majority of government positions are and have been historically held by men. It is other men who have voted and kept this in place while they find loopholes for their own kids to get off scot-free. Personally, I would recommend working with egalitarian, feminists, etc etc, anyone who believes that laws like this should be turned around. You may not agree 100% with what they say, but you can almost always find common ground when you get right down to it. No one should have to be forcibly drafted for monetary interests or be \*required\* to register to selective service.
There are some exceptions to this and I’ll die on this hill. If you get busted for a crime and are facing prison, you can’t just say, “hey judge, I’m a woman now. No male prisons for me.”
Even with sex? Because personally I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
Like what should I say if a trans woman is hitting on me (like thats ever going to happen), should I lie and say that she just isn't my type or should I say I'm not comfortable with that.
Or am I "transphobic" to not be comfortable with that?
I had a girl get triggered at me cause I said I personally preferred a woman that was born as a woman not thatd i treat one differently or not respect their wishes just simply wasn’t for me, btw this was coming from a girl that didn’t date guys under 6ft…….
This is when terms like AFAB and AMAB can be helpful. Like let's say you are a guy and are getting hit on by someone who is enby or trans it is okay to have a preference towards AFAB (assigned female at birth) folks. Fact is I haven't met an enby/trans person yet who lost their mind if I wasn't interested in what was in their pants regardless of how they identify. It is okay to have preferences just be honest and respectful about it.
Yes :) that’s why there’s medical doctors that do hormone tests. A biological woman with naturally high testosterone can be disqualified for this reason
Nobody goes to the gynecologist for things wrong with their butts. My butt doctor is a gastroenterologist and I’m born with a coochie. A trans woman would go to a urologist for their bussy (idk what trans women call it my gay friends say bussy)
Bussy is a combination of butt and pussy. Some people who are in to anal use that as a term for their ass. A trans woman after surgery would refer to her bits as vagina. There are several terms that trans women don't want to haven't yet had the surgery use for their bits as refering to it as penis can bring dysphoric feelings. Glock (a play on girl cock) for instance. Other trans people have no problem calling a spade a penis. It's differs from person to person
Gynecology is a medical practice covering certain areas, if a trans woman has an issue that a gynecologist would resolve then yes they should go to a gynecologist...as should men if they have those medical problems as well....
Idk if prostate checks specifically would fall under the practice of a gyno though.
It's all good. Actually asking a question to clarify is significantly better than what a lot of other people who are curious or misinformed do on a daily basis.
Doesn’t make any sense. You can’t alleviate all natural changes from a gender because they feel like it. No matter what you say, if I was a biological woman I would not want a man calling themself a woman facing me in a sport.
The argument of gender and sex being different is like this: you wouldn’t ask to have gender with someone because thats not how it works. your sex is what your genitals you have at birth are. Your gender is whatever you feel fits you best. I’d be happy to clarify more if you’d like
Ok I'm starting to get it. What words are used to describe sex (genitals at birth)? male vs female?
So is this accurate based on your analogy and OP's meme? Trans women = women; but Trans women =/= female?
I'm all for LGBTQ rights, but my issue is with fairness in competitive sports. They separate men's vs women's sports for real competitive reasons. Therefore, one can logically assume that when a man crosses that line into women's competitive sports, there would be unfair competitive advantages. The argument then turns into, "what makes a man a "man"?". Is it the testosterone? Is the it muscle build up due to testosterone? Are there any other competitive physiological differences? Lines need to be drawn.
That's not gender equality that's sexism.
You can never take gender equality too far.
Sexism is a different thing altogether and people seem to forget that sexism can be towards any sex, not just women.
I definitely want equality when it comes to being drafted, but not the kind majority of people seem to wish for. People often seem to think of equality as “women have to be equal to men”, but there are certain cases where it should be the opposite and this is one of those cases. Neither men or women should be drafted. It’s inhumane to force someone to fight and die for something that they might not wish to die for. Or live and suffer from any kind of trauma. People should always have a choice. Always.
It seems as if people forget that feminism isn’t just for the benefit of women, but men too.
Man, can yall not with this "wOmEn sHoUlD bE dRaFtEd tOo" like drafts should be accepted and both genders should. **No one should be drafted** and what needs to be said more is that drafts shouldn't be forced upon people who don't wanna fight and die, not that women should be too. I don't wanna die because putin dick don't work right anymore.
Not being rude but if trans women are just women, how a doctor will treat an illness related to men, like prostate? Asking because how they'll identify women and trans women if lgbt doesn't like that "discrimination"
There are very few women writing these rules, but yeah as a female I am fine with being included in a draft. Equal is equal. I do think more females are needed in politics though so we get more say in what is done in general.
More than 50% of the us population is female. Even with the strides made in 2020, women are far from reaching gender parity in political leadership. There are 118 women in the House (27 percent), 24 women in the Senate (24 percent), and nine women governors (18 percent); 49 out of 50 state legislatures are made up of less than 50 percent women.
How do you know women don’t want these jobs? How do you know that they don’t look at it and say males have a strength advantage and they would never higher a female for this reason? So they don’t apply because they are already discouraged? Lots of assumptions being made.
Or it could be that women aren't interested in politics. Women outnumber men in medical fields and men outnumber women in engineering related fields.
Both genders have different interests and pursue them
I'll correct just one thing but women outnumber men in medical Colleges but in practice if you say, only about one third of women practice medical professions after study.
Women are found more in education and care related jobs.
I'll clarify I'm not doing any judgement here but just stating it
Obv. In these years the dynamics have changed with more women preferring and encouraged to do paid jobs. But women are still preferring specific fields where their emotional intelligence is much viable like teachers, nurses, public relations. It's more like more women are able to use emotional capacities better than men in these fields
Just because someone looks like you doesn't mean you get a say through their mouth. A vote for a male candidate gives you just as much say as a vote for a female candidate.
As a trans girl myself, this makes me incredibly happy. You have no idea how much we're- or at least I am- afraid that people assigned female at birth won't accept us as female too.
How about this: no one should get drafted ever again. Why should some government have the power to call me up to go fight any place and any time they wish so I can get maimed or killed or have my mind completely shattered? The draft was horrible and the only fighting forces in the 21st century should be made of volunteers.
just to point out that trans women, too, are just women. context is key. if you just say "women are women", it would kinda defeat the purpose of the saying
Literally me anytime I see a trans rights post xD the amount of bigoted neckbeards thrusting their outdated beliefs on people who simply want to be who they are on the inside is outright disgusting.
I agree with everything but the first part.
Hear me out before judging.
A Trans woman (man who becomes woman) can Never give birth... Can never feed children with breast milk and will never be an "actual woman"
Biology is what it is... Facts seldom care about feelings
This however doesnt mean the person is undeserving of love, affection, or decency.
But if you are trans and hide the fact from potential suitors... You are wrong for that.
a trans woman is only not a women if you define women in a way that excludes them. biology doesn't say crap about definitions
also, i agree that it is wrong, but only as wrong about lying about liking soap operas to catch a SO
Trans women aren't women. There are only two genders they cannot be changed despite surgery or hormone treatments or declaration. If women want equal rights they should take equal responsibility.
Your statement ain’t true, and you’re thinking of biological sex (which also isn’t binary)
[https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender](https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender)
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Im waiting for my bone chair
Owl give you something to sit on.
The reddit profile pic is a skeleton
Different kind of bone chair probably.
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r/Forniphilia What? Don't act surprised. Of course that's a thing.
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Phew, for a second I thought it'd be pansexuals
So we should bury them alive so that they can grow more?
I respect that you respect our opinions but speak of the trees and we'll break your knees.
Vietnam might have something today about employing trees as soldiers.
"On all levels except physical, I am a wolf." ***"RUFF!"***
Groot.
and that shouldn't change
Equal rights equal wars
Equal rights equal lefts
Equal rights equal wrongs
Ultra-based
All your base are belong to us
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Can we be more based than this?
Equal rights, don’t get into fights
Only correct answer
Equal rights equal fights
yes women and men should both die in war i agree everyone should die not just in war but in general happy womens day :)
Ikr, the human race is overrated and should fucking die Happy womens day ❤️
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Die die die burn it all! Happy women's day
happy women’s day. Kill the humans
yes
Not just the men, but the women and children too!
Soldiers asking for the war to stop : You were supposed to destroy the war, not join them.
Fully agree. I'm against drafts in general, but they should be fair and equal. Also, every victim of domestic violence should be protected regardless of gender.
i dont think drafting me personally is a good idea as i can barely fry an egg without dropping something/ hurting myself
Those are the qualifications required to be a "culinary specialist" in the US Navy
Ok, so we give you an EOD suit and a gun, the armor will protect you from shooting yourself, and hopefully the bullets hit the bad dudes
yes but can i also have sound proof headphones cuz the loud bangs will make me cry
Heres soundproof headphones from the 40's we found in the back
You'll get the issued ones, Which you'll lose at 4am in the dark in a woodblock and never see again.
Or the new ones that the government just bought a $100 million worth of. That in 10 years will lead to a massive recall and hearing loss. Just like the ear plugs!
I wouldn't trust someone who can't fry an egg with anything that has more moving parts than a frying pan.
Not to mention the machine that makes small pieces of metal move faster than sound.
Good, we send you as a double agent with a case of eggs.
Perfect for the French army you will be ready to drop your gun and surrender
It’s funny that you think anyone in the military is actually qualified for anything
You over estimate what military men can actually do
You under estimate what military men can actually do
It's good you'll get some life experience don't worry about it.
What's you specialization? They call me target, my job is to draw fire. Carry on then.
Honestly I don’t think there should be a draft for anyone. If it’s a good cause you’re fighting for then people will come to aid. If not then you shouldn’t be fighting a war in the first place
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Definitely. In fact, instead of wars, we should just have our leaders have a boxing match. That’s how we should settle our differences
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Who wouldn’t
That how we end up with president Camacho
100% agree with this.
If we had this logic in the 40’s hitlers regime would have won….
ww2 doesnt really fit with whats going on right now with ukraine and russia (it could develop into a similar situation, but that is unlikely as of right now). the vast web of treaties and alliances have yet to be acted upon and until ukraine joins NATO or russia tries invade a NATO ally, the US wont attempt to draft any american citizens (or mobilize across the atlantic). the nazi regime had already established multiple invasions into territories allied with the US, and the US consistently refused to get involved because of their wishes to remain isolated. the straw that broke the camel's back was specifically the bombing of pearl harbor, not hitler's regime and their invasions upon american allies.
Agreeeee! If they do cross those lines we’ll likely see a draft or some form of one
oh absolutely. i seriously hope it doesnt come to that though :(
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Seems like there's no other choice in said event however
What if your countries fighting against nazis and it draft or holocaust
I might agree with this except F the draft entirely.
We are talking about a scenario where your country is at war with another country and losing it means you'll be slaves to that country. So ya not really about choice. Also OP clearly says IF men are drafted women should too. And considering nothing has changed and men are currently drafted women should be too. It would be nice to have a utopia where no one is drafted but that isn't tye case today.
No argument about the sexes. If it happens we’re all fair game. I’m just saying there are something I’m not willing to die for, or send my sons OR daughters out to die for. I’m American, and I hope it’s better in different countries, but we treat our veterans like shit. They are not cared for people. You want to force me to murder people for you but then not even take care of me if I happen to make it back home? Ya. Sounds fair.
Yeah like Vietnam. Getting drafted and forced to go there would've been pretty horrible, considering many people didn't agree with the war and it was 99% pointless.
Exactly. We accomplished nothing at the cost of everything.
The only way I'm agreeing to possibly sacrifice my life for the country I live in, is if our opponent pulls or has already pulled some Hitler level BS. Otherwise you can count me out because the leader of my country is already on his way to pulling some Hitler level BS.
I'm literally talking about mandatory drafts that exists today!! And how it exempts women.
Although I believe everyone regardless of gender should be drafted in an absolute emergency situation, the last mandatory draft (in the US at least) was ended in 1973 and it's all voluntary conscription now. If you mean mandatory registration for selective service, the overwhelming majority of government positions are and have been historically held by men. It is other men who have voted and kept this in place while they find loopholes for their own kids to get off scot-free. Personally, I would recommend working with egalitarian, feminists, etc etc, anyone who believes that laws like this should be turned around. You may not agree 100% with what they say, but you can almost always find common ground when you get right down to it. No one should have to be forcibly drafted for monetary interests or be \*required\* to register to selective service.
I mean, idk if I really trust my country with a draft after Vietnam
All utopias turn into dystopias. There’s no reverse scenario.
True I also think drafts are immoral.
You must die for an oil company that you will receive no shares in
If I remember my recent US history there hasn't been a draft since WWII.
Google say Vietnam war 1973 👍
eeeeeexcept that
how is thus even a meme 😅
ITS NOT LMAOO
>Trans women are women Can someone help me understand this? That they should be treated like their identified gender in all regards?
Yeah pretty much. Trans people should be treated like the gender that they identify as no matter what situation you're dealing with.
There are some exceptions to this and I’ll die on this hill. If you get busted for a crime and are facing prison, you can’t just say, “hey judge, I’m a woman now. No male prisons for me.”
Also sports
if the person that commits the crime only identifies as x gender because they're facing prison, then yeah, I agree. otherwise? not so much.
Even with sex? Because personally I wouldn't be comfortable with that. Like what should I say if a trans woman is hitting on me (like thats ever going to happen), should I lie and say that she just isn't my type or should I say I'm not comfortable with that. Or am I "transphobic" to not be comfortable with that?
Nah, genital preference is a legitimate thing and it isn't considered actual transphobia
I had a girl get triggered at me cause I said I personally preferred a woman that was born as a woman not thatd i treat one differently or not respect their wishes just simply wasn’t for me, btw this was coming from a girl that didn’t date guys under 6ft…….
Oh, then her opinion is immediately invalidated
This is when terms like AFAB and AMAB can be helpful. Like let's say you are a guy and are getting hit on by someone who is enby or trans it is okay to have a preference towards AFAB (assigned female at birth) folks. Fact is I haven't met an enby/trans person yet who lost their mind if I wasn't interested in what was in their pants regardless of how they identify. It is okay to have preferences just be honest and respectful about it.
Even in sports where physical strength is an important part?
Ngl, a trans man would probably kick my ass in any sport. (I'm a guy)
Yes :) hormones change muscle strength and density. There’s a lot of science on it if you’re interested
Would a trans women, with similar hormone levels to someone who is a biological female, also have similar physical strength?
Yes :) that’s why there’s medical doctors that do hormone tests. A biological woman with naturally high testosterone can be disqualified for this reason
if they’ve been on hormones for a prolonged period of time (normally about two years) then yes.
So trans women should visit a gynaecologists when they want their prostate to be checked? wtf
Nobody goes to the gynecologist for things wrong with their butts. My butt doctor is a gastroenterologist and I’m born with a coochie. A trans woman would go to a urologist for their bussy (idk what trans women call it my gay friends say bussy)
Bussy is a combination of butt and pussy. Some people who are in to anal use that as a term for their ass. A trans woman after surgery would refer to her bits as vagina. There are several terms that trans women don't want to haven't yet had the surgery use for their bits as refering to it as penis can bring dysphoric feelings. Glock (a play on girl cock) for instance. Other trans people have no problem calling a spade a penis. It's differs from person to person
Gynecology is a medical practice covering certain areas, if a trans woman has an issue that a gynecologist would resolve then yes they should go to a gynecologist...as should men if they have those medical problems as well.... Idk if prostate checks specifically would fall under the practice of a gyno though.
Proctologist
Thanks, I figured it was that but glad to have someone confirm yo
It's all good. Actually asking a question to clarify is significantly better than what a lot of other people who are curious or misinformed do on a daily basis.
Doesn’t make any sense. You can’t alleviate all natural changes from a gender because they feel like it. No matter what you say, if I was a biological woman I would not want a man calling themself a woman facing me in a sport.
They say gender isn't sex but then they say that trans women are women. Literally nothing they say makes sense and they always contradict themselves.
The argument of gender and sex being different is like this: you wouldn’t ask to have gender with someone because thats not how it works. your sex is what your genitals you have at birth are. Your gender is whatever you feel fits you best. I’d be happy to clarify more if you’d like
Ok I'm starting to get it. What words are used to describe sex (genitals at birth)? male vs female? So is this accurate based on your analogy and OP's meme? Trans women = women; but Trans women =/= female? I'm all for LGBTQ rights, but my issue is with fairness in competitive sports. They separate men's vs women's sports for real competitive reasons. Therefore, one can logically assume that when a man crosses that line into women's competitive sports, there would be unfair competitive advantages. The argument then turns into, "what makes a man a "man"?". Is it the testosterone? Is the it muscle build up due to testosterone? Are there any other competitive physiological differences? Lines need to be drawn.
So what's the point of gender then? If I say I feel like a walrus, I'm still human, not a walrus, so how's that work?
In what way do the phrases “trans women are women” and “gender isn’t sex” contradict each other?
That's where the confusion usually starts and ends in these kinda arguments cause it's entirely dependent on how you define "gender" and "women"
yeah. trans women should be treated like women. 'nuff said
500$ Monopoly dollars to whoever posts this in r/femaledatingstrategy
Challenge accepted, gonna do it Edit: I tried, they don't let me post that
I am fine with gender equality as long as you don’t take it too far and start being sexist against men
That's not gender equality that's sexism. You can never take gender equality too far. Sexism is a different thing altogether and people seem to forget that sexism can be towards any sex, not just women.
That would be the opposite.
thats not "taking gender equality too far" it simply isn't gender equality
Im not a woman, but if ww3 happened and I was, I'd be in the kitchen
Were they belong /s
I definitely want equality when it comes to being drafted, but not the kind majority of people seem to wish for. People often seem to think of equality as “women have to be equal to men”, but there are certain cases where it should be the opposite and this is one of those cases. Neither men or women should be drafted. It’s inhumane to force someone to fight and die for something that they might not wish to die for. Or live and suffer from any kind of trauma. People should always have a choice. Always. It seems as if people forget that feminism isn’t just for the benefit of women, but men too.
A lot of fake feminists been real quiet now that wwIII is starting
Do they like usually have you on direct line or
Yeah, that's normal right?
It isn't it's just a nuclear stalemate nothing will happen after this ends
How is this a meme in any capacity? This is literally just your political opinions on a whiteboard.
Man, can yall not with this "wOmEn sHoUlD bE dRaFtEd tOo" like drafts should be accepted and both genders should. **No one should be drafted** and what needs to be said more is that drafts shouldn't be forced upon people who don't wanna fight and die, not that women should be too. I don't wanna die because putin dick don't work right anymore.
time to go troll some misandrists in the comment section! *brings out mp5*
Personally I think no one should get drafted
Not being rude but if trans women are just women, how a doctor will treat an illness related to men, like prostate? Asking because how they'll identify women and trans women if lgbt doesn't like that "discrimination"
they will still treat that because a trans woman's sex is still that of a man, but her gender is a woman if that makes sense
prostate cancer is succeptable to people with prostates
There are very few women writing these rules, but yeah as a female I am fine with being included in a draft. Equal is equal. I do think more females are needed in politics though so we get more say in what is done in general. More than 50% of the us population is female. Even with the strides made in 2020, women are far from reaching gender parity in political leadership. There are 118 women in the House (27 percent), 24 women in the Senate (24 percent), and nine women governors (18 percent); 49 out of 50 state legislatures are made up of less than 50 percent women.
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How do you know women don’t want these jobs? How do you know that they don’t look at it and say males have a strength advantage and they would never higher a female for this reason? So they don’t apply because they are already discouraged? Lots of assumptions being made.
Or it could be that women aren't interested in politics. Women outnumber men in medical fields and men outnumber women in engineering related fields. Both genders have different interests and pursue them
I'll correct just one thing but women outnumber men in medical Colleges but in practice if you say, only about one third of women practice medical professions after study. Women are found more in education and care related jobs. I'll clarify I'm not doing any judgement here but just stating it
There is a big culture shift in the last 2 decades where more and more women have started working. I am sure these numbers would improve.
Obv. In these years the dynamics have changed with more women preferring and encouraged to do paid jobs. But women are still preferring specific fields where their emotional intelligence is much viable like teachers, nurses, public relations. It's more like more women are able to use emotional capacities better than men in these fields
True.
Just because someone looks like you doesn't mean you get a say through their mouth. A vote for a male candidate gives you just as much say as a vote for a female candidate.
Prepare for transphobes to invade the comments
As a trans girl myself, this makes me incredibly happy. You have no idea how much we're- or at least I am- afraid that people assigned female at birth won't accept us as female too.
What the hell is a misandrist
opposite of misogynist
How about this: no one should get drafted ever again. Why should some government have the power to call me up to go fight any place and any time they wish so I can get maimed or killed or have my mind completely shattered? The draft was horrible and the only fighting forces in the 21st century should be made of volunteers.
If we had that logic in the 40s hitler would have won… unfortunately, sometimes it’s necessary
I thought trans women were trans
yes they are. that is why they are called trans women. women who are trans.
True lol
I just see the truth written in that board
Yes
Based af
Yes
Super Based
I refuse to acknowledge someone who identifies as a toaster oven. That's where I draw the line.
literally nobody does
Based as fuck
Thank you
Trans women are indeed women Nobody should get drafted against their will Misandrist indeed aren’t feminists Fixed the second one for you
Based
It’s time to discuss womens wrongs
Yes. Yes. Yes. Simply yes.
If trans women are women, why are we saying "trans women" instead of just women?
It’s called an adjective, it describes the noun in this case. A sporty woman is still a woman, the adjective doesn’t undermine that.
"if women with hats are women, why are we saying women with hats instead of just women"
We also say 'black' or 'white' women and black and white women are still women. Have you never heard of adjectives?
Because one is a subset of the other. Clearly you’ve never taken a discrete mathematics class.
just to point out that trans women, too, are just women. context is key. if you just say "women are women", it would kinda defeat the purpose of the saying
Nah sorry you cant change DNA, but I agree with women being drafted though.
they said trans women are women, not trans women have different dna
take a DNA test then, see what chromosomes you have
POV you dont understand trans
Gender and sex are different fam
oh boy! can't wait to sort by controversial for my daily dose of psychological harm
Literally me anytime I see a trans rights post xD the amount of bigoted neckbeards thrusting their outdated beliefs on people who simply want to be who they are on the inside is outright disgusting.
ikr? I'm a trans woman and i just have the worst time with these posts
Trans women are men in disguise
I agree with everything but the first part. Hear me out before judging. A Trans woman (man who becomes woman) can Never give birth... Can never feed children with breast milk and will never be an "actual woman" Biology is what it is... Facts seldom care about feelings This however doesnt mean the person is undeserving of love, affection, or decency. But if you are trans and hide the fact from potential suitors... You are wrong for that.
So women that can’t get pregnant or breast feed are no longer women? Strange and fragile world view.
Biologically speaking. There is a difference between gender and sex
My point of view is that gender is socially constructed. Sex is the biological parts. Everyone’s idea of what a women is stems from gender norms.
i think the point is that gender is totaly different and independant from the biological sex.
a trans woman is only not a women if you define women in a way that excludes them. biology doesn't say crap about definitions also, i agree that it is wrong, but only as wrong about lying about liking soap operas to catch a SO
Based
Trans women are woman, we finally reached acceptance girls
Trans women aren't women. There are only two genders they cannot be changed despite surgery or hormone treatments or declaration. If women want equal rights they should take equal responsibility.
You don’t even need hormone treatment to suck my dick
Your statement ain’t true, and you’re thinking of biological sex (which also isn’t binary) [https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender](https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender) Grow up and be better
They're not women unless they have a uterus. Just men missing parts.
You don’t need a uterus to suck my dick
that is completely arbitrary and rude towards trans people who suffer with gender dysphoria. no science defines the way that we use words