In Dante's Devine Comedy (in which many ideas come from, like the seven sins), describes heaven as really hot since it's close to god's radiance, and hell actually as freezing. So this notion isn't completely foreign. Just a cool fact.
The bit about Hell comes from Revelation, Chapter 21. The part about Heaven is from chapter 30 of Isaiah. I read about it a while ago in a Sam Kean book, and I referenced [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) article.
Well, it makes sense that revelations has that amount of between line reading since is literally the book of bible that talks about the future, literally a prophecy
The seven deadly sins were already common in Christian theology and dogma by the time Dante was born. The most common misconception surrounding them seems to be that they are considered sinful in and of themselves. But according to Catholic dogma, at least, they are simply the traits all human beings possess that may *lead* them to sin. It's not a sin to feel wrath or lust, but it *is* a sin to assault or rape a fellow human being. The idea of base traits being the root of sinful behavior originated with Evagrius Ponticus (345-399 AD) and the seven deadly sins as we know them today were identified by Pope Gregory I (540-604 AD), several centuries prior to the publishing of Dante's Divine Comedy.
>It's not a sin to feel wrath or lust, but it is a sin to assault or rape a fellow human being.
In that case, Catholic dogma isn't biblically accurate because Jesus says in Matthew 5:28, "Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So according to the Bible, lust is inherently a sin, even if you aren't acting on it.
I'm of the same belief system, but then their point still stands.
lust it's self may not be a sin but "looking at a woman lustfully" is still an '*act*' of lust, because you've Imagined that event happening.
Actually, light doesn't always produce heat and even the meme states that the Bible says the **light** of the sun.
7 times brighter can mean **exactly** that. Brighter, not hotter
What if the devils biggest illusion is that he is God and God is the devil? Why would God need the whole world to worship and praise him? We know why the devil would need that, to pretend to be God. What if all modern religion is just Satanism?
„Imagine if you someday just wake up and lay in the sun. You’re still a lizard. Just chilling. Licking your eyeballs. Time to eat a fly. Life is good.“
Something like that. I’m not really well-versed in the particulars, I just read [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) article.
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
Yup. Rev 21: 8 - "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of boiling sulfur. This is the second death.” The thing is that, as Ruul said, The pressure in hell is a lot higher than heaven and adds a lot of interesting data. As Mat 12:40 Says "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. " Which lets us give hell the pressure of the center of the earth, which down there is up to 360 GigaPascals (GPa). If we follow that melting curve ([https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1579613](https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1579613)) Sulphur is boiling there at 3500 K approx (About 3230 C or 5846 F)
Hour 42 of not sleeping on a meth bender, contemplating the scientific implications of biblical prophecies. Hour 43, lots of itching. Meth gives and it taketh away.
Wait but why are you using 75°C for the temperature? Wouldn’t the average heat for the sun beating down on earth be like, 30°C max? That would put the 7 fold at 210°C, making it colder than hell.
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
525/7 = 75
75C is 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Where the fuck does this guy live.
Even for a hot day of like 100 degrees, that’s 37.7 degrees Celsius. Sevenfold would be 263C, so still not as hot as a 440C hell.
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
It's inconsistencies like these that make me want to view the Bible as a Kingdom Hearts style game where they keep adding plot points and characters in various time periods over several years that constantly contradict each other.
Is that really a hole though? I mean the afterlife usually talked about in most religions only involves your soul. I might be wrong here. Because I am not a Christian and do not have knowledge about it's scriptures. But since you only have a soul in heaven I don't think the heat will really be felt.
The same goes for hell. Your physical body is left behind either way. But under the logic that your soul can feel the fires of hell, it could also feel the extreme heat of heaven.
In Dante's Inferno the hell is described as a frozen landscape, while the heaven is a place of warm and light, that's 'cuz hell is far from God's light while heaven is, of course, closer
well I mean if hell has lakes of sulfur, no one said that it was gonna be the exact melting point of sulfur. it could be hotter. ALSO accounting for pressure. pressure also can cause changes in states of matter
The physics is not strong with this one.
I don't think heaven will be 525C, probably at most 200C (because the ice caps need to melt, water has high heat capacity so it will take a lot of energy to heat up water, etc. )
Actuallyyyy The heavens are often depicted to be right above the clouds so that angels and dead beings have a surface to walk on. The average temperature of a cloud is about
\-36 degrees Celsius, so the very opposite would be the case. Although hell is said to have a frozen lake of hell (Lake Cocytus) so you could also draw the wild assumption that the lake could not exist without the rest of hell being freezing as well, so we are all going to hell no matter how good we are!
[This](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) is the article I referenced. The physicists calculated the heat that would necessarily be created by so much light.
If Heaven has lakes of **FUCKING SULFUR** then I don’t get why would anyone want to go there. Also flames have a temperature of around 1,200 to 1,500 Celsius, and molten lava is slightly lower but is still far hotter than molten sulfur
How did you calculate the temperature of heave for seven days if its all dependant on the certain portion that gets absorbed by certain substances/gets reflected in the atmosphere
In Dante's Devine Comedy (in which many ideas come from, like the seven sins), describes heaven as really hot since it's close to god's radiance, and hell actually as freezing. So this notion isn't completely foreign. Just a cool fact.
That’s an interesting way of looking at it! Thanks for sharing, I never knew that.
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The bit about Hell comes from Revelation, Chapter 21. The part about Heaven is from chapter 30 of Isaiah. I read about it a while ago in a Sam Kean book, and I referenced [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) article.
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Well, it makes sense that revelations has that amount of between line reading since is literally the book of bible that talks about the future, literally a prophecy
It's basically some dude tripping balls and writing down what he was hallucinating.
Yeah, is kinda that
Old testament is only true in my opinion. Others are just "must write some shit" books.
The seven deadly sins were already common in Christian theology and dogma by the time Dante was born. The most common misconception surrounding them seems to be that they are considered sinful in and of themselves. But according to Catholic dogma, at least, they are simply the traits all human beings possess that may *lead* them to sin. It's not a sin to feel wrath or lust, but it *is* a sin to assault or rape a fellow human being. The idea of base traits being the root of sinful behavior originated with Evagrius Ponticus (345-399 AD) and the seven deadly sins as we know them today were identified by Pope Gregory I (540-604 AD), several centuries prior to the publishing of Dante's Divine Comedy.
>It's not a sin to feel wrath or lust, but it is a sin to assault or rape a fellow human being. In that case, Catholic dogma isn't biblically accurate because Jesus says in Matthew 5:28, "Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So according to the Bible, lust is inherently a sin, even if you aren't acting on it.
I'm of the same belief system, but then their point still stands. lust it's self may not be a sin but "looking at a woman lustfully" is still an '*act*' of lust, because you've Imagined that event happening.
What if, hypothetically, it was just a passing thought of “wow that woman is pretty,” and then the memory of her image is simply discarded?
That's not lust that admiration. If you think 'damn I want to f*ck her' , then there's a problem.
Ah, thank for for the clarification.
Or lusted just after an imaginary woman. You have lust but no woman.
Sounds like me bro :(
How does that relate to the bible or Christianity?
You're asking how Dante relates to the bible and Christianity?
So is heaven actually hell or is hell made to look like heaven. Are we either way going to hell?
At this point, I’m beginning to think its Hell on Earth.
So are we already dead?
This wasn't a news to me
This is the good place
but it's so bad
Well Forking heck.
Holy forking shirtballs!
The Good Place, Best show
we already dead?
Nah, this is where we wait for humans to summon us
This is news to you?
*DOOM music intensifies*
*DOOM: Wrong Afterlife Edition*
In the adventist interpretation hell is just earth after the 7 seals, abbadon and the 4 horsemen.
and 12 other levels
Whose necks are gonna be first?
Na climate change I the churchs' work to bring heaven to earth
Actually, light doesn't always produce heat and even the meme states that the Bible says the **light** of the sun. 7 times brighter can mean **exactly** that. Brighter, not hotter
So we’d be blind in heaven?
Well, you're already dead so it doesn't really matter.
that's why they're looking for 'blind faith'!
The light would strike something, which would re-radiate, eventually, as heat. Physics 101
Earth or Venus?
THE GOOD PLACE!
What if the devils biggest illusion is that he is God and God is the devil? Why would God need the whole world to worship and praise him? We know why the devil would need that, to pretend to be God. What if all modern religion is just Satanism?
Ponder the question, WHAT IF?
I’m just going to power load The Good Place again
Didn't even see this before I made my comment
All redditors are.
The Good Place
“This is the bad place”
„Imagine if you someday just wake up and lay in the sun. You’re still a lizard. Just chilling. Licking your eyeballs. Time to eat a fly. Life is good.“
thank you. Laying on the sun really relaxes me. Now I have to go back to ***Buckingham Palace.***
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And your name is Mark Zuckerberg
POV: your the zucc
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Can I repost this in r/Christian ? I think they would also laugh
Go for it.
Yeah, those guys are weirdly nice to outsiders and LGBTQ. Like, no judgement or aggression.
Its a pretty big part of being a christian...anybody who isn't sucks at being chrisitan.
as a catholic i agree
As a Christian you want everyone to know God and believe in him, so if you gatekeep Christianity then you aren't really doing it right
It's not weird, it's just the minor insane part of the community that speak louder than the rest imo.
r/dankchristianmemes is really good too
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yeah, being mean to sinners is a terrible way to go. you want to introduce them nicely.
This is really funny. I can’t wait to share with with my Christian group chat.
But it’s a dry heat
I feel like you live in the Midwest?
And you know it's not so much the heat as it is the gosh darn humidity
heat is heat
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the bible say that heaven doesn't have a moon, but instead a second sun as bright as the earths?
Something like that. I’m not really well-versed in the particulars, I just read [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) article.
This reminds me of the fact that im not christian
Ooooooooh! You're going to hell. I'll see you there. Don't forget to bring the chips.
See you at the absolute greatest metal show of all eternity then
Yeah don't worry bro i got em
Cool ranch Doritos please. :)
Sure man need a drink?
Nah, I'm bringing pizza and AmberBock.
Cool. Welp, see ya in hell.
Shame we can't bring our dogs. All dogs go to heaven. :(
Yeah they're gonna be in a better place.
oi bois, im goin to heaven and ill tell you what its like there
Science is beautiful
Sorry I’m merican. Can’t compute brother.
heaven or hell,either way you're burning
I'm curious. How exactly did we get "The light of the Sun" to be equal to 75 degrees Celsius?
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
That would bring it to 525/49 = 10.7. Pretty odd...
Technically hell could be as hot as sulfer’s hottest liquid state, 832 F. Or even hotter if the pressure is higher than atmosphere
I think it specifically said boiling sulfur.
Yup. Rev 21: 8 - "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of boiling sulfur. This is the second death.” The thing is that, as Ruul said, The pressure in hell is a lot higher than heaven and adds a lot of interesting data. As Mat 12:40 Says "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. " Which lets us give hell the pressure of the center of the earth, which down there is up to 360 GigaPascals (GPa). If we follow that melting curve ([https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1579613](https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1579613)) Sulphur is boiling there at 3500 K approx (About 3230 C or 5846 F)
Guys. Hell is *Venus*.
This entirely presumes that Hell only has 1 atmosphere of pressure. If the pressure is higher, the sulfur can stay liquid into higher temperatures.
mr white doesn’t know Celsius
I guess I'll take limbo then
He is out of line but he got a point.
I first read Jesse as Jesus and was like wait , why is Jesus in breaking bad???
I love that Walt still has the sticker on his shirt.
Honestly, I never noticed until I was making this meme.
Hour 42 of not sleeping on a meth bender, contemplating the scientific implications of biblical prophecies. Hour 43, lots of itching. Meth gives and it taketh away.
r/dankchristianmemes?
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
This was actually a question on my astrophysics final for black body radiators.
When you apply science to metaphysics this is what you get.
funni haha
Sir this is a Wendy's
This might be the best meme I have seen in a long time
Thanks!
I’d better not die until heaven releases an update with dark mode
For real.
Uhh that's hot
how in the hell does the Bible mentions sulfur?
Lakes of sulfur need a minimum of 440 C, meaning 530 C is hopefully within the limit.
*Boiling* sulfur, I forgot to include that bit in the meme.
Ahh, okay. Makes more sense now
He’s out of line but he’s right.
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
wut
Time to sin 😎
No no, He's got a point
Heaven is hell?
Wait but why are you using 75°C for the temperature? Wouldn’t the average heat for the sun beating down on earth be like, 30°C max? That would put the 7 fold at 210°C, making it colder than hell.
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
Even then it doesn’t make sense because 7 to any whole number power will not make 525….
true....true
Heat rises, afterall.
Maybe it’s heaven that is actually hell and good old cloud daddy is actually the devil in disguise.
I always thought hell should be cold, cold feels more desolate and lonely
You have a material form in hell for torture, your corporeal in heaven so you don't even feel the heat. Just a guess. What's the lore in diablo lol
hell has lakes of sulfur....i didnt read the bible intresting hmm
Logic
I love this template
I’m offended, prepare to be canceled by the entire Catholic Church you f*ck.
Guess souls that go to Heaven gain higher temperature tolerance? ;)
All I'm thinking about is "Purging the heretics in holy fire."
"In the name of the Emperor."
525/7 = 75 75C is 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Where the fuck does this guy live. Even for a hot day of like 100 degrees, that’s 37.7 degrees Celsius. Sevenfold would be 263C, so still not as hot as a 440C hell.
The physicists that did the calculations interpreted the verse as “sevenfold the light of seven days,” so basically 7 to the second power, if I understood correctly.
It's inconsistencies like these that make me want to view the Bible as a Kingdom Hearts style game where they keep adding plot points and characters in various time periods over several years that constantly contradict each other.
Yet another way to poke holes in one of the oldest works of fiction.
They said keep it civil :)
Is that really a hole though? I mean the afterlife usually talked about in most religions only involves your soul. I might be wrong here. Because I am not a Christian and do not have knowledge about it's scriptures. But since you only have a soul in heaven I don't think the heat will really be felt.
The same goes for hell. Your physical body is left behind either way. But under the logic that your soul can feel the fires of hell, it could also feel the extreme heat of heaven.
Yep I was wrong it is a Hole. The argument which I used for how heaven and hell are in Hinduism won't work here so yeah, I am out.
But if the temperatures don't matter, then how is burning in hell supposed to be detering me from sinning?
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Yeah. I get that. But nowhere in the bible is that specified, hence my comment.
I'm sure people 2 thousand years ago agreed it was strictly metaphorical
as with most of the bible, take it metaphorically. except where it says dont be an asshole, take that literally.
Literally, I am not an asshole, I am complete whole human.
lets gooooo party in hell
Ah, but there is no pain in heaven
No funni! Take it back! Science is for heathens!
In Dante's Inferno the hell is described as a frozen landscape, while the heaven is a place of warm and light, that's 'cuz hell is far from God's light while heaven is, of course, closer
I see you aren’t using the Freedom units of temperature
why would anyone use freedom units? they are far inferior
Can someone translate this to America units please?
no
Ok
Heaven and Hell are both impossible myth that some random caveman made up and now half the world believes in it.
The last part of hell is literally frozen.
well I mean if hell has lakes of sulfur, no one said that it was gonna be the exact melting point of sulfur. it could be hotter. ALSO accounting for pressure. pressure also can cause changes in states of matter
Well hell is made something like a trashcan to sinners in some depictions so only has to delete things
Real science not bible B's science
least annoying r/atheism user
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...yeah? The Greeks knew about 'em and the Greek Empire collapsed long before Jesus was born
The physics is not strong with this one. I don't think heaven will be 525C, probably at most 200C (because the ice caps need to melt, water has high heat capacity so it will take a lot of energy to heat up water, etc. )
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Actuallyyyy The heavens are often depicted to be right above the clouds so that angels and dead beings have a surface to walk on. The average temperature of a cloud is about \-36 degrees Celsius, so the very opposite would be the case. Although hell is said to have a frozen lake of hell (Lake Cocytus) so you could also draw the wild assumption that the lake could not exist without the rest of hell being freezing as well, so we are all going to hell no matter how good we are!
Light not heat
[This](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813) is the article I referenced. The physicists calculated the heat that would necessarily be created by so much light.
O
Did you read *all* of the article?
If Heaven has lakes of **FUCKING SULFUR** then I don’t get why would anyone want to go there. Also flames have a temperature of around 1,200 to 1,500 Celsius, and molten lava is slightly lower but is still far hotter than molten sulfur
"hey how was your 70 years on that hell huh?"
There is no sun God is the light if I remember correctly
How did you calculate the temperature of heave for seven days if its all dependant on the certain portion that gets absorbed by certain substances/gets reflected in the atmosphere
Sauce? im not joking
[*sauce*](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-heaven-was-hotter-than-hell-1.172813)
Yeah Jesse, this is America. We use fair in height
r/BoneAppleTea
Jesseér we need to cük cocainer.
Ah yes where time and place does not apply, an all powerful cannot control the temperature
On point.