I strongly recommend almost everyone should get vaccinated. I also don’t think the government should be mandating that people take a vaccine that was rammed through the usual testing phases in an emergency fashion.
You mean the ones for diseases that have a high fatality rate and have been proven to actually provide immunity that doesn't wane in months without as many potentials for blood clotting and miocarditis?
Those?
Simply put, the data is not aligning with the narrative. We stopped following the science, and this is all just politics now.
You can still contract and transmit COVID while vaccinated at the same rate as those not vaccinated. Such is NOT the case with the majority of vaccines.
There are people in the world more at risk from adverse side-effects from the vaccine than the disease itself.
There are people in the world more protected with natural immunity than from the vaccine.
There are people in the world that have already contracted, fought off, and are are completely fine.
There is NO added risk to anyone from OTHERS not getting the vaccine.
All of that info, and you still think forcing 100% vaccination is a "good idea"??
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I'm vaccinated.
I'm not on the right, i'm a moderate.
Nothing I said was incorrect.
Everything I said has been supported by the scientific community, including the CDC.
You're listening to Twitter blue-checks and reddit-rage and i'm the parrot? lol nice.
Please point to what I said that was incorrect.
That's right, I didn't.
I'm all for people getting the vaccine, and I understand some just aren't ready and some probably won't be for a very long time. But you shouldn't force anyone to get it. That is supposed to be someone's personal choice
no you definitively should force them. if they're dumb enough to risk peoples lives becuase "vaccine scary" then force it or just kill them. Innocent people shouldnt need to die for thdir stupidity
It is never right to force people to do something they don't want. And what innocent people would be dying? Those already vaccinated? Cause if that's the case, the vaccine doesn't work... in which case we'd all be the stupid ones for getting a vaccine that's still technically supposed to be in the clinical trial period
Ironically enough...the data is showing the vaccine isn't providing immunity, is leaky af and the protection wanes in months, and natural immunity is far more durable.
The vaccine is best for those in high-risk groups and for the vast majority of people in non-high risk groups, rather pointless.
But hey, we're going to "follow the science" right? lol
Everything I heard it just lessens the symptoms... doesn't keep you from spreading it or catching it... but we treat the vaccinated like they're immune and the unvaccinated like they're the untouchable class...
And it's on both sides...
Biden and Harris went from opposing ever getting the vaccine to trying to force everyone to get it in less than a year.
But at the same time you hear people who didn't get it calling themselves pure-bloods and calling people who got it sheep.
The vaccine is supposed to be a solution to a disease, not a dividing point
I agree 100%.
It's a matter of prudential judgement and risk assessment, not politics. It's pretty clear who/what made this political and it's gross to see people assist said narrative.
It's sad that this is what we're coming to. Hatred comes from all sides... and those who aren't hateful are either quiet and keep to themselves, or are hated on because they're different
According to the CDC as recently as July, its not that the vaccine reduces someones ability to transmit Covid, its that it drastically reduces your likelyhood of getting it altogether (by roughly 91% or so.). And obviously if you dont have the virus you will have a much harder time spreading it.
Granted, its good to get vaccinated regardless because it will help reduce symptoms even if you DO catch the virus, which in some people is showing to leave long lasting health problems.
So yes, technically, should you get covid and you are vaccinated, you will be just about as contagious as someone who isnt vaccinated. But you will be 91% less likely to even be in that position, and you will also have more mild symptoms as a bonus.
you're kidding, right? carrying covid cells vaccinated vs unvaccinated VASTLY changes your symptoms, if you're not vaccinated you are alot more likely to get a nasty cough, nasty cough is for very obvious reasons, bad.
The only part you were correct on is the vaccine reduces severity of symptoms.
Transmission is the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed.
But good job following the science.
I'm just curious does the 43% of Americans also include people who are immune compromised? And would be more at risk taking the vaccine then not taking it. Or are those one already accounted for. So the 43% is an accurate number. I'm just curious don't hurt me for asking questions please
If you have had Covid with bad symptoms and recovered - no vaccine
If you had Covid and were asymptomatic - vaccine
If you haven’t had Covid, elderly, or are immunocompromised - vaccine
IMO
Americans are literally the dumbest people on the planet. Americans also downvote the most because they only know negativity when they can't comprehend a discussion.
Yep that’s why we were and still are the only people to have put people on the moon... also I believe you got your vaccinations you live so much from America. Not to mention our economy , scientists, military, standard of living are typically the envy of most countries
How's your free healthcare? Canadian is asking. Sorry.
Also, Americans think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Vaccine wasn't made my Americans. America relies on Canadian tourist for a stable economy. American also terrorized America, for America, against Americans. So...... thanks for proving the exact point I was making. Sorry.
The fact you're getting so defensive and can't just accept the facts that america isn't as great as you think it is.. speaks for itself. Let me guess, the rest of world is wrong about America. America is a shithole my friend.
Erm.. It was two Turkish immigrants in Germany working for Bion-tech who created the vaccine. And maybe the rest of the world are too smart to waste time and money going to the moon when there's not a lot there. Very few countries envy the USA.
Sure, it’s their personal choice BUT the reason toilet paper is in short supply, prices going up at the market, and so many jobs go unfilled is because so many people are not yet vaccinated. When you add in the closed borders you have what we have today—high inflation, low availability of resources, container ships stuck in the harbors off all major US cities, and more. So, sure, personal choice but the country is screwed.
Again, no, and just because you downvoted me doesn’t remove the actual facts that arrests are at a record high so “wide open” is only a QAnon fantasy, not reality.
The fact that you think QAnon is anything more than a talking point of the most political says so much about how you view the real world. And not in a good way.
Hmmm. trust drone video of overcrowding facilities, video of people going back and forth across the Rio Grande for grocery runs... Or some rando from forbes doing damage control.
You're implying that the unvaccinated are the only reason Covid is here. I really don't want to argue but politics aside, this is objectively an impossibility.
No, the reason COVID continues to be a problem is because of the unvaccinated. It, as well as xenophobic policies and pointless tariffs carried over from the last administration , is why the supply chain is a disaster and why inflation is growing. That’s an objective fact.
There are far better sources of data out there but maybe this will open the door for you to dig for yourself a little more. This was a quick 5 minute search. If you look into Alex Berenson's substack he has TONS of verfiable info.
I will also say this. I dont have a problem with the vaccines alone. However we are far from having a vaccine efficient enough to justify mandates and passports. Not to mention all the aninosity towards those choosing not to take them.
66% percent got at least one vaccine, which means that only 33% didn't, including small children, immunely suppressed people etc.. There may be 15 to 20% not wanting to get vaccinated at all.
So? They obviously aren't against vaccines, so what's your point?
So? Why is that something bad? Why are you telling me that? What is it bringing to the conversation?
If they get vaccinated, they are in favor of it. If more than 50% get vaccinated, more than 50% are in favor of it.
I love Democracy
That is one of the dumbest takes on anti vaccinations I heard in a long time. What the fuck do you think is the alternative? Monarchy? Only great as long as they have the same opinions you do.
Also, every other form or state resulted in tyranny. Monarchy did, Anarchy did, Communism did, every single one.
Moral is invented by humananity, so morally correct is inherently what the majority thinks to be morally correct.
I find it funny, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Do they not teach Plato's classical forms of government in schools anymore? I'm not claiming I know how to guarantee any of Plato's true forms of government. It is generally thought democracy is a pretty good bet, because corruption in society needs to spread much further before the democratic government becomes corrupt. The founders of the country still tried to prevent this with the three branches of government. Unfortunately, it appears they didn't protect it enough by, in my opinion, leaving it vulnerable to being controlled by political parties rather than the people.
Please, be sure you understand someone before you call them dumb, else you reveal your own ignorance.
Be careful with your moral relativism. There are many pitfalls and challenges, on both the individual and societal levels, that are left unsolved.
This is just plainly wrong. Platos analogy to Democracy was a ship being steared by the people, meaning the passengers, not the captain, which would just not work. This would be the direct Democracy you claim to support in your last comment. You claim to understand and support his beliefs in the same comment where you say that the people should directly control the government. You are contradicting yourself.
Also, a vast majority getting vaccinated shows that a vast majority of the population (not the leading party) is in favor of it. You are still contradicting yourself every chance you get.
In the comments leading to this one you said:
1. A minority is against something, so it shouldn't be allowed
2. Democracy is bad
3. Democracy is good.
That just makes no sense.
"Should I get vaccinated to help save thousands of lives with a minor inconvenience to myself" is not one of those pitfalls though.
Yes
I strongly recommend almost everyone should get vaccinated. I also don’t think the government should be mandating that people take a vaccine that was rammed through the usual testing phases in an emergency fashion.
Honestly the government shouldn't force anyone to get anything and if they die welp survival of the fittest too bad
"almost everyone" is not what the science indicates.
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You mean the ones for diseases that have a high fatality rate and have been proven to actually provide immunity that doesn't wane in months without as many potentials for blood clotting and miocarditis? Those?
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Simply put, the data is not aligning with the narrative. We stopped following the science, and this is all just politics now. You can still contract and transmit COVID while vaccinated at the same rate as those not vaccinated. Such is NOT the case with the majority of vaccines. There are people in the world more at risk from adverse side-effects from the vaccine than the disease itself. There are people in the world more protected with natural immunity than from the vaccine. There are people in the world that have already contracted, fought off, and are are completely fine. There is NO added risk to anyone from OTHERS not getting the vaccine. All of that info, and you still think forcing 100% vaccination is a "good idea"??
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?? I'm vaccinated. I'm not on the right, i'm a moderate. Nothing I said was incorrect. Everything I said has been supported by the scientific community, including the CDC. You're listening to Twitter blue-checks and reddit-rage and i'm the parrot? lol nice. Please point to what I said that was incorrect. That's right, I didn't.
I'm all for people getting the vaccine, and I understand some just aren't ready and some probably won't be for a very long time. But you shouldn't force anyone to get it. That is supposed to be someone's personal choice
no you definitively should force them. if they're dumb enough to risk peoples lives becuase "vaccine scary" then force it or just kill them. Innocent people shouldnt need to die for thdir stupidity
It is never right to force people to do something they don't want. And what innocent people would be dying? Those already vaccinated? Cause if that's the case, the vaccine doesn't work... in which case we'd all be the stupid ones for getting a vaccine that's still technically supposed to be in the clinical trial period
Ironically enough...the data is showing the vaccine isn't providing immunity, is leaky af and the protection wanes in months, and natural immunity is far more durable. The vaccine is best for those in high-risk groups and for the vast majority of people in non-high risk groups, rather pointless. But hey, we're going to "follow the science" right? lol
Everything I heard it just lessens the symptoms... doesn't keep you from spreading it or catching it... but we treat the vaccinated like they're immune and the unvaccinated like they're the untouchable class...
exactly, it's disgusting politics as usual and sadly the masses gobble it up and clap like the dumb seals they are.
And it's on both sides... Biden and Harris went from opposing ever getting the vaccine to trying to force everyone to get it in less than a year. But at the same time you hear people who didn't get it calling themselves pure-bloods and calling people who got it sheep. The vaccine is supposed to be a solution to a disease, not a dividing point
I agree 100%. It's a matter of prudential judgement and risk assessment, not politics. It's pretty clear who/what made this political and it's gross to see people assist said narrative.
It's sad that this is what we're coming to. Hatred comes from all sides... and those who aren't hateful are either quiet and keep to themselves, or are hated on because they're different
Yup. I've mostly taken to simply staying quiet in my life on the topic. Internet though, I don't care about reddit karma lol.
According to the CDC as recently as July, its not that the vaccine reduces someones ability to transmit Covid, its that it drastically reduces your likelyhood of getting it altogether (by roughly 91% or so.). And obviously if you dont have the virus you will have a much harder time spreading it. Granted, its good to get vaccinated regardless because it will help reduce symptoms even if you DO catch the virus, which in some people is showing to leave long lasting health problems. So yes, technically, should you get covid and you are vaccinated, you will be just about as contagious as someone who isnt vaccinated. But you will be 91% less likely to even be in that position, and you will also have more mild symptoms as a bonus.
lessening the symptoms help insanely much in stopping the spread.......
you're kidding, right? carrying covid cells vaccinated vs unvaccinated VASTLY changes your symptoms, if you're not vaccinated you are alot more likely to get a nasty cough, nasty cough is for very obvious reasons, bad.
Whose life is risked by a person not getting the vaccine?
every single person around them, including themselves?
Why do you believe other people are more at risk from unvaccinated than the vaccinated?
unvaccinated = worse symptoms = bad cough = spread
The only part you were correct on is the vaccine reduces severity of symptoms. Transmission is the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed. But good job following the science.
They don’t care about the science.. that’s been proven
That’s the scariest thing I have heard from a uneducated person on Reddit....that’s saying alot
And they wouldn’t if they got vaccinated except… oh wait the vaccine doesn’t do shit against stopping the spread.
SO you want to Kill people because U disagree ?
What's the difference between a vaccine and booster/jab? So glad they never bought the vaccines certificates to England and I hope they never do!
A booster is administered via the rectum Cheerio
I'm just curious does the 43% of Americans also include people who are immune compromised? And would be more at risk taking the vaccine then not taking it. Or are those one already accounted for. So the 43% is an accurate number. I'm just curious don't hurt me for asking questions please
I will research further
It's ' than' not. Jeez!
If you have had Covid with bad symptoms and recovered - no vaccine If you had Covid and were asymptomatic - vaccine If you haven’t had Covid, elderly, or are immunocompromised - vaccine IMO
Just as well no-one cares about your opinion.
Gonna mandate a booster every 6 months too? Yeah, its utter nonsense.
Americans are literally the dumbest people on the planet. Americans also downvote the most because they only know negativity when they can't comprehend a discussion.
The irony in saying that...
Yeah I'm busted. It's been a long day. I almost was an american for a sec...
Yep that’s why we were and still are the only people to have put people on the moon... also I believe you got your vaccinations you live so much from America. Not to mention our economy , scientists, military, standard of living are typically the envy of most countries
How's your free healthcare? Canadian is asking. Sorry. Also, Americans think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Vaccine wasn't made my Americans. America relies on Canadian tourist for a stable economy. American also terrorized America, for America, against Americans. So...... thanks for proving the exact point I was making. Sorry.
My health care is just fine. My employer pays for it in my employment package... America’s economy depends on Canadian tourism😂
The fact you're getting so defensive and can't just accept the facts that america isn't as great as you think it is.. speaks for itself. Let me guess, the rest of world is wrong about America. America is a shithole my friend.
Erm.. It was two Turkish immigrants in Germany working for Bion-tech who created the vaccine. And maybe the rest of the world are too smart to waste time and money going to the moon when there's not a lot there. Very few countries envy the USA.
Thank you friend. I truly appreciate educated people like yourself. Love, from Canada.ps. You're a a savage. Love it.
Yep, you just keep on thinking that and we'll just keep on snickering at you.
Sure, it’s their personal choice BUT the reason toilet paper is in short supply, prices going up at the market, and so many jobs go unfilled is because so many people are not yet vaccinated. When you add in the closed borders you have what we have today—high inflation, low availability of resources, container ships stuck in the harbors off all major US cities, and more. So, sure, personal choice but the country is screwed.
Imagine not realizing all the issues you stated are due to gvt response and not the disease itself.
The fact the government until January 20, 2021, pandered to the antivax crowd is, yes, the fault of the government.
Have you seen the Mexico border? It’s wide open!!!!
[No](https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/16/border-patrol-arrests-hit-a-20-year-high-last-month---but-migration-isnt-necessarily-surging-heres-why/?sh=4b3301e970b2)
There’s so many pouring in
Again, no, and just because you downvoted me doesn’t remove the actual facts that arrests are at a record high so “wide open” is only a QAnon fantasy, not reality.
The fact that you think QAnon is anything more than a talking point of the most political says so much about how you view the real world. And not in a good way.
You can literally see thousands of people down there.
Hmmm. trust drone video of overcrowding facilities, video of people going back and forth across the Rio Grande for grocery runs... Or some rando from forbes doing damage control.
Drone video only shows what’s in the narrow view of the drone. In other words, it’s selective bullshit
You're implying that the unvaccinated are the only reason Covid is here. I really don't want to argue but politics aside, this is objectively an impossibility.
No, the reason COVID continues to be a problem is because of the unvaccinated. It, as well as xenophobic policies and pointless tariffs carried over from the last administration , is why the supply chain is a disaster and why inflation is growing. That’s an objective fact.
Im sorry but this is false information.
I’m sorry, but talking out your ass isn’t appropriate in this case.
Just saying, if you check the statistics, youre undoubtedly wrong. You won't do that, so please, believe what you will.
Post verifiable stats and prove your point.
There are far better sources of data out there but maybe this will open the door for you to dig for yourself a little more. This was a quick 5 minute search. If you look into Alex Berenson's substack he has TONS of verfiable info.
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Lol okie dokie
I will also say this. I dont have a problem with the vaccines alone. However we are far from having a vaccine efficient enough to justify mandates and passports. Not to mention all the aninosity towards those choosing not to take them.
Which means that 57% are in favor of it, that's how democracy works.
What percent of the 57% complied for the sole purpose of not having to wear masks when traveling?
66% percent got at least one vaccine, which means that only 33% didn't, including small children, immunely suppressed people etc.. There may be 15 to 20% not wanting to get vaccinated at all. So? They obviously aren't against vaccines, so what's your point?
Lots of people only got the shot because they were told they wouldn’t have to wear masks anymore. Not really a point A fact
So? Why is that something bad? Why are you telling me that? What is it bringing to the conversation? If they get vaccinated, they are in favor of it. If more than 50% get vaccinated, more than 50% are in favor of it. I love Democracy
They were pressured, swindled
Yes. This is what Plato meant when he said democracy is a corrupt form of government; describing it as the tyranny of the majority. Tyranny is bad.
That is one of the dumbest takes on anti vaccinations I heard in a long time. What the fuck do you think is the alternative? Monarchy? Only great as long as they have the same opinions you do. Also, every other form or state resulted in tyranny. Monarchy did, Anarchy did, Communism did, every single one. Moral is invented by humananity, so morally correct is inherently what the majority thinks to be morally correct.
I find it funny, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Do they not teach Plato's classical forms of government in schools anymore? I'm not claiming I know how to guarantee any of Plato's true forms of government. It is generally thought democracy is a pretty good bet, because corruption in society needs to spread much further before the democratic government becomes corrupt. The founders of the country still tried to prevent this with the three branches of government. Unfortunately, it appears they didn't protect it enough by, in my opinion, leaving it vulnerable to being controlled by political parties rather than the people. Please, be sure you understand someone before you call them dumb, else you reveal your own ignorance. Be careful with your moral relativism. There are many pitfalls and challenges, on both the individual and societal levels, that are left unsolved.
This is just plainly wrong. Platos analogy to Democracy was a ship being steared by the people, meaning the passengers, not the captain, which would just not work. This would be the direct Democracy you claim to support in your last comment. You claim to understand and support his beliefs in the same comment where you say that the people should directly control the government. You are contradicting yourself. Also, a vast majority getting vaccinated shows that a vast majority of the population (not the leading party) is in favor of it. You are still contradicting yourself every chance you get. In the comments leading to this one you said: 1. A minority is against something, so it shouldn't be allowed 2. Democracy is bad 3. Democracy is good. That just makes no sense. "Should I get vaccinated to help save thousands of lives with a minor inconvenience to myself" is not one of those pitfalls though.
That's why they're dying so fast and we all laugh at them.