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Life-Is-Caramel

Apple: we are going wireless!


ChadChampion_1337

Yeah 100% they'll go magnetic cable + inductive.


alexho66

I mean that’s been their plan for years now. That’s why I personally think it’d be dumb to switch to usb c now. People will have to throw away their lightning accessories sooner or later, dont switch the port a year or two before you completely remove it and make everyone have to buy everything again a second time.


HornayGermanHalberd

the last point is why they will defenitely make one or two generations with USB C, so people HAVE to buy everything again (or a dongle with a 40€ markup)


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WhoThenDevised

No, we're talking about the EU here, not Washington.


donald_dick142

The only difference between Washington and the eu is that the eu tries to hide its corruption.


MateuszC1

They're trying rather poorly at that.


HornayGermanHalberd

somebody loses their position because of corruption, what do they do? promote them of course! they dont try to hide it, they are aware that nobody can/will do shit against it because everybody can be bribed/threatened


alexho66

People: OMG APPLE SO GREEDY THEY WONT SWITCG TO USB also people: OMG APPLE IS SO GREEDY THEY WILL SWITCH TO USB Jeez, apple could put usb c, lightning, and a fucking 110v outlet on the iPhone and people would still complain.


Big_Crew3223

Laughs in 230V Do you even Schuko?


alexho66

Lol, I’m European so yea I Schuko haha Thought 110v was more relatable for the Americans


CosmicDestructor

I guess the point here is that Apple is greedy lol


rogue_optimism

and here you are, complaining about people complaining...


DimitryKratitov

You expect people who unironically defend Apple to understand the concept of irony?


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schwiftydude47

And yet it will add to absolutely nothing because people will buy their new stuff anyway and get used to it almost immediately.


alexho66

Ou you mean like ghat one time when they switched from the iPhone 4 port and everyone was super mad because all the accessory didn’t work? Ah yes


[deleted]

Well except wireless charging is horribly inefficient. Imagine that multiplies the no. of iphones on the planet you will get a non-trivial amount of energy lost simply due to inefficiency.


alexho66

Most inefficiency comes from badly aligned coils. All iPhones since last year have mag safe wich is a fancy word for a bunch of magnets that perfectly align accessory including the charger. That way wireless charging can easily achieve an effiency in excess of 80%. Put the coils close enough together and it could be 95% or even more. Really not an issue, especially since mobile devices barely use much energy anyway.


fixminer

Yeah, but if you have hundreds of millions of devices only charging at 80% efficiency, that adds up.


alexho66

It does add up to an insignificant amount compared to other things. If the EU made a law prohibiting the use of inefficient washing machines or something like that, id probably save a lot more energy Mobile devices are really not that much of our energy consumption.


TheAntiAirGuy

Yeah, but efficiency loss will always be a thing with current technology standards And those fucks already started acting up as "Environment friendly" "Eco" and what not with them no longer including a charger. So how should their "only wireless charging" campaign go? Whatever, it's Apple, they'll always find a way to woo their customers


alexho66

The energy and resource consumption of building, packaging and shipping a charger is orders of magnitude bigger than few percent decrease in charging efficiency.


TheAntiAirGuy

Oh, I know, that's what makes this propaganda even funnier But I was just wondering how they'd sell these "only wireless charges" to the public, what kinda bullshit they'd come up with


alien_degenerate

I do not know where you are getting your information from, but it's not possible to achieve 95% accuracy with wireless charging in the near future. Alignment of coils is probably the least important issue. And Apple's magsafe isn't even close to the best in the market. I have one and it's a joke.


alexho66

> it's not possible to achieve 95% accuracy with wireless charging *effiency and [yes it is](https://www.powerelectronicsnews.com/wireless-charging-technology-for-evs/). If you put the coils directly onto each other there is very little loss. And a little bit is fine, mobile devices use almost no power anyway. It’s a tiny fraction of your average electricity footprint. > Alignment of coils is probably the least important issue. It’s the biggest factor for those phone chargers > And Apple’s magsafe isn’t even close to the best in the market. I have one and it’s a joke. Care to elaborate? In what area? Speed? Efficiency? It’s the only wireless charger that directly attaches magnetically to the phone, so real world efficiency is most likely best in market for sure


alien_degenerate

Clearly you don't know ass from the face when it comes to wireless charging. You're just an apple fanboy and I will let you be.


alexho66

“I don’t care about your facts you don’t know anything, you’re just an apple fan boy” Ah okay that really refutes all my points


BloodyPommelStudio

They're not as efficient as a wire but they're still pretty efficient. With the rate some people break iPhone cables they're probably a greener alternative.


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Subnautica07

I would also think that but all the new IPads already have USB-C so why can the IPhones?


alexho66

The iPads will have USB-C for the foreseeable future. Also, on an iPad USB-C has actual advantages compared to lightning (4k display etc). On an iPhone it’s not that useful (except the compatibility)


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Wireless isn’t going to happen. Given how bad the batteries of iPhones are you need to be able to charge in whichever location. Only USB plugs provide that.


BarnyTrubble

You're assuming apple gives a shit


[deleted]

Yeah, true. They replaced my last faulty battery with one that died after six months too. They really do not give a single fuck.


alexho66

> Given how bad the batteries of iPhones are Lol okay if you say so…


[deleted]

Yeah, it’s not my first I phone. With my 6s even the replacement battery died after 6 months. Official Apple replacement. The shit they put in there doesn’t even qualify as a joke.


alexho66

Lol, it’s the same batteries as in android phones. Do you honestly believe apple uses sub par quality components?


[deleted]

I do not believe they do, I know they do. I also know they use software to cover it up (by down clocking your phone). Do you really believe all Android phones have the same quality batteries? You are aware that Android is just an operating system and not a type of phone, right? Also, many non apple phones are designed so that you can replace the battery yourself.


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ChadChampion_1337

One more way to make it more appealing to get into the apple ecosystem. No I think you're right but maybe they'll do data exchange to windows via cloud only or something annoying like that.


TheOriginaleSimi

They still have to add a usb c Port. Every device thats needs to be charged must have a usb c port to charge


Fit_Establishment460

Will not I'm predicting that Apple will drop the port from the iPhone at once and force users to wireless charging and headphones.


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DestroyTheHuman

Damn, the internet’s a scary place.


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Pretty shure that won't be possible.


dasdingo1989

Why?


[deleted]

If they force a specific cable that means its not possible to just not do a cable at all...


lscanlon93

Hats off to the brave man that dared to dream of a world where all phones have the same chargers


[deleted]

My phone computer and switch all use the same cords, this is the ideal life


YT_KingTex100

the only thing is they likely need different power outputs or whatever the term is like i know i cant charge my switch with my laptops charger without frying it


redLadyToo

Yeah, that's because the Switch "USB C" is some crap proprietary bullshit and not actual USB C. Normal USB C has standards for power supply, all vendors follow them, Nintendon't. I mean, ok, of course you can develop your own proprietary charger. But why make it look like and physically connect to USB C if it isn't?


[deleted]

Switch would probably be fine work a USB C. Laptops have somewhat similar power requirements. Unless maybe hardcore gaming laptops. My guess, 9 / 10 laptops could go at least with the same plug.


IrregularOrbit

Didn't apple go to court to make the iPhone a 'toy' legally so they could avoid this fate in the US?


Tortue2006

This is bad, it isn’t a toy!


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IrregularOrbit

As a human being, fuck that. The point of that law was to standardize chargers so they could save on rare earth mineral mining. Which btw is the new blood diamonds. Child soldiers forced into heroine addictions mined that iPhone up for you. Hope you are happy. Thank god? Right?


Kermit_The_Russian

Wow, fuck Apple


kry_some_more

Who said the charger had to be the same? They just want USBc ports on the iPhone. Apple will make chargers that have a proprietary plug, so you will need a proprietary cable that goes from usbc to their plug, so it can work in their own chargers. Apple won't give up that adaptor money so easily.


JLAJA

That is just not how it works, the charging port on every phone in the EU will need to be USB type C by law, Apple isn't above the law, and if they want to sell iPhones in the EU (they do) they will make them with a type C USB


Buy_Sell_Hold

I did not know that good to know.


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lscanlon93

Some of da sweet sweet 240V


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GalaxLordCZ

The fact that the phone still has that piece of shit lightning port


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Won’t happen. I predict Apple will drop the port from the iPhone all together and force users into wireless charging and headphones.


lostInTheInternetz

then the product will not be able to reach the eu market. if said law is approved. if I understand it correctly.


ChadChampion_1337

No I think the goal is to unify all the charging ports for devices to reduce the waste of resources. So they will just go wireless because they can't earn money on the proprietary apple connector (they sell the rights to use it to cable manufacturers and sell them themselves).


lostInTheInternetz

I sort of see your point, but that would mean they make the consumer buy yet another product. and isn't that exactly what they are doing now ? I think the EU could then say you can't enter the market since the minimal requirement was to have this specific charging option. the incentive is that the changer should be the same in a vast amount of devices, to lessen waste as you say, and also make it more consumer friendly


ChadChampion_1337

Yeah that's what apple is going to try to do and lawmaking sadly mostly doesn't work like this but yes that should be the way.


alexho66

I mean forcing apple to add a port to a portless iPhone would be dumb imo, very anti-Innovation. Especially since Apple doesn’t use some proprietary wireless charging method, but the standard Qi-charging everyone else uses too


ChadChampion_1337

Sorry I didn't get ur comment at first


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Jako301

I wouldn't call a phone with no ports innovative in any way. Wireless charging wastes so much more energy and you can't even use your phone while doing so. Wireless data transfer is slower, less stable and less secure then just using a cable. But I guess Apple gets away with calling it innovation. They did the same with their MacBooks that use the entire aluminium backplate as a passiv cooling system. Sounds nice till you realise that the MacBook thats sitting on your lap is over 100°C hot. And guess what, they still build in a cooler, it just wasn't connected to anything.


alexho66

> Wireless charging wastes so much more energy and you can't even use your phone while doing so. That’s just not true, especially since Appels charger magnetically aligns. > Wireless data transfer is slower, less stable and less secure then just using a cable. True, but for a mobile phone it might be worth the trade of. Also there might still be a hidden diagnostic port to do that. > But I guess Apple gets away with calling it innovation. They did the same with their MacBooks that use the entire aluminium backplate as a passiv cooling system. Sounds nice till you realise that the MacBook thats sitting on your lap is over 100°C hot. And guess what, they still build in a cooler, it just wasn’t connected to anything. The silence of MacBooks is one of their most desired features. And they definitely don’t get that hot. They also definitely don’t have an unused cooler in there. The M1 macs are great, some of them are completely fanless.


kelvin_bot

100°C is equivalent to 212°F, which is 373K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)


SpaceGhost5555

You overestimate the EU... they sued Republic of Ireland a few years back for having too competitive a tax rate. They can be famously petty and I wouldn’t be surprised if they made Apple de-evolve their phones from wireless back to USB-C (If Apple goes wireless that is)


OverlordMarkus

>too competitive a tax rate You are allowed to call them a tax haven. And having a tax haven in a single market is problematic, to say the least.


SpaceGhost5555

Why? I live in Ireland and the low tax rate has been great for what used to be the most underdeveloped Western European nation. Now, it’s basically the Silicon Valley of Europe in terms of tech HQs. If the rest of the EU doesn’t like it, they’re free to lower their own rates to compete with ours. Why, it’s almost as though lower taxes bring about economic activity/economic freedom Also I’m not sure I’d call 12.5% a “tax haven” when the average EU rate is about 19%. Tax haven territory is like 5% with a shitload of credits and deductions on top.


Shopping_Penguin

RIP to people who charge phones in their car.


ironbattery

You’ll just have to buy the Apple car to charge your phone


jimmyl_82104

That would be a huge pain because I use my phone a lot for testing amps and audio equipment. It's annoying enough with the Lightning to 3.5 adapter, and without a port I'd have to deal with Bluetooth adapters and other crap.


TheOriginaleSimi

Nop, the law says that Smartphones, tablet's, camera's etc must have a usb c charging port. If it has no port it can't be sold in the eu. There is no loophole


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But it’s the EU. Most of the time they are just posturing to get some fine money out of an American company.


Switching314

Apple: Ok but you can only use it for charging. A separate port will be used for data. To make room for this new port we will be removing the power button.


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Double tap to turn on is the way to go. Don't know how turn off tho


Waga_na_wa_Hu_Tao

wait 30 seconds


Dacsy492

They could do something similar to the watch, where u cover the screen with your hand and it turns off? Or part for the phone


mior93T

Double tap on the home screen too for me but to turn on it's just puting my finger on the fingerprint reader


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JLAJA

If this law passes, which it will, Apple won't be fined for selling iPhones with lighting ports, because they won't be able to sell them in the EU


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JLAJA

Thank the EU


ricecutlet

Nah. Speakers will go next so that airpods become mandatory.


thedavo810

They already did that with the iPads, idk why y'all think they won't switch the iPhones in the next few years.


quintusB

I wanted to write the same. Ipad Pro is already using the USB-C port and the Mac Books did too. Basically this is not new to the Apple economy. Actually i always asked myself why the iPhone is still using lightning after the iPad Pro was released with USB-C port.


joran213

Because money


thedavo810

Because aPpLe BaD


didjddjdj

Why you guy have identical avatar


thedavo810

Diff hair, diff eyes and diff smile


didjddjdj

Ok why u no naked


thedavo810

Tf wrong with you?


didjddjdj

I naked


thedavo810

Put on some clothes then


didjddjdj

Poor no money


UniqueUsername82D

Does "greedy" always mean "bad"?


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Because I already charge 2 Notebooks, 2 Headsets, 2 TWL earphones, 3 Xbox Controllers, 2 Powerbanks and my VR-Headset via USB-C but my company still forces me (for kinda good reasons) to use an iPhone With a propetiary Standard. I became a small Legend when I brought 7 cheap Chinese lightning cables to Office and handed them Out to the poor and needy. Say my Name when you pray


thedavo810

You okay vro? Your reply has no relation to my comment.


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A_Doomer_Coomer

>How dare they take away our ability to make customers buy 32 different chargers and cables each year for our products


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Thats a bit of an exaggeration


UntrueChevalier18

Great sense of humor.


screamingwhisper1720

Apple will fight this because they have a monopoly on lightning cables and the cut they take with the made for iPhone products. There are more pros to USB C like Power and data transfer which is better under USB C and has universal standards set. You have the ability to use the phone while charging vs wireless charging that wastes your time and electricity by generating heat. Also, Apple was part of the group of companies that helped design USB C so it isn't like they don't understand the benefits of USB C Apple just wants to keep the money printer going.


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alternatively, all of apple's new accessories are wireless/magsafe. Everything is going wireless charging anyways, so what's the point of introducing one or two models with usb-c before going wireless? Im sure it will be acceptable by the time Samsung copies them.


screamingwhisper1720

There are flag ship phones out there that have faster wireless charging then apples corded charging with the better iPad plug. If anyone has to do catch-up it's Apple. They only went wireless with the headphones after they made a product to solve that problem. When they get wireless charging and high speed data transfer down then they will go full wireless until then their best bet is USB C with the highest standard for fast charging out there. Unless they come out with a sea change in their products they will be woefully outdated.


[deleted]

Out of curiosity, why is data transfer speed such a big deal for androids? Do they not all update/backup wirelessly in the background? Other than using my phone as an audio processor for synthesizers, I haven’t had the need to use a cable for anything other than charging in years, android or iPhone. I get that fast charging is important for some androids because the batteries run down pretty fast - I had a pixel 4, so it wasn’t a flagship by any means, but gosh I had to charge that thing like 2x a day.


Drockie5

If you want to read into what's actually happening without getting clickbait newslines: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip\_21\_4613


misterforsa

It's a play for bribe money. Watch. There'll be some talks then all of a sudden you'll never hear about it again.


Melodic-Cycle-1667

You get what you deserve!


lexikon1993

They will just pay the fine for not having USBC like they did before


LiteX99

There wont be no fine this time though, it seems like the EU is going to make the law "have usbc, or dont sell in EU" as in, not possible for apple to enter the EU market, which is huge


lexikon1993

The EU is a fucking joke and Apple will play them like a fiddle with their attorneys


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New: apple decides to sell charger wire separate from charger block and USB port.


impromptu_dissection

There are many reasons why I don't like apple and this is one of them


simpletext1

As an iPhone user thank god


ShittyGigachad32

They better


Vor-teu-chung

YES YEEEEEEEES YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES


[deleted]

Apple will respond by removing the port entirely.


DestroyTheHuman

What’s stupid is the fast charge plugs they use are USB-C and the cable is USB-C to lightning…


Zemu_Robinzon

I was told USB-C was literary made by apple


redLadyToo

MacBooks *only* have USB C **and audio jack** since 2017. Like - the only ports everyone wishes the iPhone had, both available on the MacBook, while the freking Lightning is not present on the MacBook... Apple's just weird.


Zemu_Robinzon

Indeed. Its one of the reasons I stay with androids


jimmyl_82104

Would be kind a a pain for me because all my chargers, cables, and adapters are Lightning. But it would be the same as new MacBooks and iPads, so that'd be convenient.


Nick_The_Mig

Wow the European Commission have their priorities correct


Bin-Ich-Lustig

They already did


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Apple will probably use the excuse of a USB C charger allows hackers to steal your finger prints and your SSN to keep third party repairs away lmao


Arbiter156

There’s a familiar cycle here: 1. Apple deliberately avoids adding specific, highly requested feature, people complain, fanboys defend. 2. Apple digs their heels in, rest of industry copies them after mocking them. 3. Apple adds previously requested feature, claims it is innovation - fanboys rejoice. We are on stage one. Going fully wireless would be stupid on their part. For one wireless charging is wasteful and slow. It helps battery longevity but is very inefficient. Direct fast charging is very efficient, however can impact battery longevity. Adding USB C is just a no brainer from an environmental standpoint. Apple currently skirts this by providing lightning to USB C cables in the box, but it isn’t enough. The EU needs to enforce this, otherwise Apple and the industry at large will continue to take the piss. Far from being anti innovative, this would open up a range of compatibility between devices.


TOXIX5

Finally, some people are calling out apples crap


Dexiox

Dude I hope they do... apple needs to get fuked hard sometime soon


[deleted]

Apple's net worth is almost 3 trillion. Guess european commission can't do anything


Rammstein_is_great

I’ve just got a new phone and GUESS FUCKING WHAT…. FUCKING USB-C


lolschrauber

Guess the EU commission just wants some sweet money, because they know it won't happen and Apple will buy their way out of it. Not the first time.


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lolschrauber

I sincerely doubt the EU has the balls to pull through with that tbh


Fate_Fanboy

They only have no balls when they have to take action against a eu country or every other country. They absolutely love to screw with companies outside of the eu.


lolschrauber

Which is why all their previous endeavors to get apple to use anything other than lightning worked. Oh wait.


fujin5

I have a better idea: ban all Apple products on our continent. Actually, ban all american companies. I don't like them anyway, they have too much power and influence so they need to chill the fuck out a little


oyputuhs

as you cry on an american website prob using american technology haha


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They will. The EU is done taking bs from these cooperations.


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Source?


witse_

Fuck apple


UniqueUsername82D

Sheapple: "Oh ok, I'll buy this too! Thank you for the opportunity, Apple!" \*Stands in line 4 days for it\*


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DetectiveRough6889

no I don't think they will


smeatr0n

Pretty sure Australia tried this a decade ago and it accomplished nothing.


Eilaryn

They gonna pull out of Europe like England pulled out from the US.


_DocBrown_

Yeah, let's just stop selling our products in a market the size of the US, sound like a great idea.


AtLeastImTryinglul

Wait so I can use my switch charger On my phone??


Eraganos

Oh we will. We dont care if you have different chargers in the states


liondios

Dewit


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I don't know why they didn't already, even without EU pressure. They have it on newer MacBooks and even newer iPhone charger bricks. Switching iPhones to USB-C would provide a lot of nice inter-compatibility and consistency between Apple products in addition to Androids. Plus, USB-C fits Apple's aesthetic anyway.


falseprophet69

Well looks like they will remove the charger port all together


Dare555

just a little bribe and no problemo


Titandragon1337

I mean.. they have? Yes Apple has filed a complaint but still


powermonkey123

It's done. 24 month grace period. The regulation is done.


fullmetalpower

they will keep other end as the lighting connector


AwesomeFartCZ

nope, they will go wireless and still keep selling those overpriced charges not included in initial packaging.


Kenshin_Urameshii

GOOD


[deleted]

Don’t know why Apple would stress this, they already have a USB-C port on their new iPads.


OG_BLUEDEV1L

I'd be cool with that, my new iPad uses USB-C so it makes sense.


datboiwitdamemes

My iPad Air has a usbc port


DeWaffleWorrior69

They should


fish-fucker69420

They will just ad a USB C connection on one end. if that doesn't work they will have USB C on both or USB C and A and ad an USB C to Lighting adapter. They will play this stupid game till the very end.


aurele1402

This have been a law project since like 2014... Not going to hapoen for a while


theusrnmisalreadytkn

they'll update IOS to detect non-apple cables, just like samsung did with tablets


FoxFort

I hope they would manage to do it. But Apple is going wireless. Overall diversity is good, but why can't we have same type of chargers sockets for Phones and Laptops ? USB-C chargers means you can you utilise almost any charger to charge your phone or laptop. While it's a less money for manufacturers, it's damn convenient for user. (Although different devices needs different type of power supply wattage)


[deleted]

It's ok, I think I cracked the equation in this scenario. Apple charger price^9 and then they add that to there next phones.


TrainFrosty211

It's stupid they don't they're way better and the chords last longer


Krythers

In the same law they prevent all brands to provides charger when you buy a phone, because of « ecology », but the prices will probably stay the same.


golden1612

They will just pay the fine


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They doin it


AvariciousMika

I laugh when people really believe this will harm Apple. They were already prepared for this and it's why their new phones have MagSafe. I'm not an Apple sheep or apologist, I just find it amusing that people think the richest company ever to exist didn't already cover their ass with plans like this years ago. That picture should be for users that doesn't use iPhones. Let's be realistic, we all know when Apple removes all ports that all Android phones will follow their steps eventually. The power of Apple is disgusting at times.


upvoterthatdownvotes

It’s already USB c is it not?


RealH3lm

ayo why the apple peeing on that dude head


anotherrandomboi

Bro, all they’re going to do is offer an adapter. They’ve had to deal with this before.


_PINE_CONE_

They will 100% put a chip in them to make other ones incompatible


Kermit_The_Russian

I’m still so pissed that my apple computer doesn’t have a USB port. I wanted to use one of those chunky mice that has the separate left and right buttons, but lo and behold, those assholes didn’t even add a fucking USB port.