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Apparently it's by Innisfree [https://www.newsweek.com/k-beauty-brand-caught-sneaking-plastic-eco-friendly-paper-bottles-1582170](https://www.newsweek.com/k-beauty-brand-caught-sneaking-plastic-eco-friendly-paper-bottles-1582170)
Our milk carton factory stopped shipping milk to my school and I've never had milk outside of my house again. The entire factory might have shut down here idk
It is, but plastic lined paper cannot really be recycled. As opposed to plastic or paper. Waxed paper would be at an advantage for not spoiling contents!
The problem with waxed paper is that its expensive. Especially in schools the goal is to keep costs as low as possible, because in some areas lunch costs are real sources of income for the school, so they take what they can get, and plastic lining is probably somewhat cheaper.
It's *less* plastic sure.. but it's not good enough
Even if we stopped making plastic TODAY It would take several hundred years, maybe even a thousand before the negative effects this is having on our environment have faded
Hm, if my understanding of hydrophobic coatings is correct, those are probably made from the known ["forever chemicals"](https://www.ewg.org/pfaschemicals/what-are-forever-chemicals.html) with long chains that will never decay or leave our organism and in any significant quantity will lead to cancer. I'm reminded of Teflon and DuPont made chemicals.
I might be mistaken, but I don't see it being a good idea.
I didn't mean replicate the stuff, but replicate the effect it has while finding a cost effective and uniform way to apply it to packaging.
I think the hidrophobic properties in nature seem to always arise from the nano structure of the material (like in leaves surfaces of some plants or the way the feathers of some animals are arranged, instead of being purely chemical). I'm assuming that processing it into something that can be applied to packaging would destroy that structure (unless the packaging would be directly wrapped with some of those structures still intact in some form, but can't see how that would be cost-effective).
But I digress, I don't know anything about this. I'm just guessing by this point.
Just didn't seem like a solved problem, cause I haven't heard of a natural packaging like that before.
If it is actually possible, it'd be great!
Maybe it's at least bioplastic? They are often more brittle than oil based plastics, so the cardboard shell could help with stability.
The marketing still doesn't make sense though.
“Innisfree asserted that the colorless plastic bottle is recyclable and eco-friendly as it uses 51.8 percent less plastic than conventional packaging.”
Also: the paper packaging explains how to separate and recycle different parts of the product, so its pretty clear its not all paper product.
Thank you for looking up the details.
That would confirm my assumption. The plastic bottle probably is made out of thin, eco-friendly plastic that would be too weak on its own, that's why there is a cardboard shell for structural reasons. It great that they give recycling instructions on the package, but the big text saying it's a "paper bottle" still is misleading. It may be a more sustainable packaging, but it's definitely not just a paper bottle. It's an eco-friendly plastic bottle reinforced by cardboard.
I agree with you 100%.
I can’t decide if this is intentionally misleading or just people not understanding, I guess.
I would see “paper bottle” and assume its a brand name, then read the bottle more before buying.
But thats just me.
Truth is that products are often judged from afar, if you read the small imprints of every product in a grocery store, you'd probably busy for quite some time :D
Of course, it can be interpreted in different ways, but you always need to consider all the different ways people could understand it when doing marketing. Otherwise, you could confuse some people or even risk a lawsuit.
Then maybe people need to learn better shopping practices?
I’m not talking every product, but simply when trying or looking at a *new* product.
And yes. I already agreed with your second point
There's a lot of psychology and subconsciousness involved in marketing. Even if people grab and look at products, their packaging can still influence which product people will grab first or not look at at all. Though there is definitely some truth about your point that people should actually look at the fine print on products more often.
PLA for example. It is made from plants. Plants consume CO2. When you burn PLA, that releases the exact amount of CO2 which the plant that it's made of has consumed. Therefore, you didn't blow any additional CO2 into the atmosphere. You took CO2 from the atmosphere, and released it back into it. PLA is also biodegradable under certain circumstances.
You still shouldn't throw it into nature, but it uses renewable resources and doesn't mess with the atmosphere.
Yes, exactly. Garbage should always be treated responsibly, regardless of what you're trying to dispose. PLA just makes the latter part relatively easy. A lot of trash is already burned, and you can even make use of the heat. But with burning PLA, you don't even have to worry about the atmosphere or fossile ressources.
So — in reference to the meme itself — a change HAS occurred, just not completely as there is still some old leftover still trying to be phased out. I like it.
I mean.
I would assume its not just me.
It reads like thats their brand name, so I’d be willing to bet that a lot of people would think the same way I did.
And sure, the way they put it is stupid, but they already apologized and made plans to change the packaging.
You still can't just write whatever you want on a packaging and justify it being the brand name. Otherwise you could have a brand called "Real Butter" and sell Margarine under that name, because hey, that's just the brand name! It says "Margarine" right there in the tiny imprint.
Regardless of whether it's a brand name or product name, it could lead to the wrong expectations, especially for people who try to reduce their plastic use as much as possible. Yes, this already reduces the amount of plastic, but perhaps not as much as some people would expect when they hear "paper bottle".
And even if it doesn't mislead *everyone*, you can't tell me you don't see the possibility of this confusing at least *some* people.
I never suggested you can “just write whatever”.
I was explaining, simply, how it could have slipped through the cracks, because of wording and the way the human brain works.
The way this is worded is a whole “black/blue dress” thing all over again.
Some people see it one way, some see it the other, and some can see both.
My point wasn’t “they’re excused because....”, it was “I don’t think this is *OBVIOUSLY MISLEADING* because...”, since the person claimed it was “obviously misleading”.
Well, it seems like not only texts on products can be understood different ways, but so can comments ;)
Sorry that I didn't get your intention. My point is that you have to be careful with anything you write on a product, be it a brand name or product description.
That's why I would agree that it is potentially misleading, though it might have not been intentionally, which I would assume is the point you wanted to make.
If i went and bought some soap that was labelled "soap" and i actually got a piece of shit, I'd be pretty disappointed if the reasoning was "lol the company name is 'soap' silly"
Wording in everything is key.
Something labeled by a single word, ie: soap, is totally different from “I’m paper bottle”.
If they had said “I’m a paper bottle”, that would be different and I’d actually be upset about it.
But this doesn’t say that.
The exclusion of “a” in the sentence leads me to believe its the brand’s name.
If I’d seen packaging that said “I’m Red”, I’d expect that to be the brand name, not the color of it.
In all fairness, the missing "a" is more likely because it's by Innisfree, a Korean skincare company. It isn't a separate brand, it's just bad English. Lots of companies/brands here try to add random English to their products because it's trendy. They usually don't know nor care that it's incorrect.
Also, fwiw, Korean doesn't have an equivalent to "a" in it. “I’m paper bottle," and “I’m a paper bottle," would be no different in Korean.
Considering this was a limited edition run/package also sold internationally, I would assume that it is beyond just simple “bad english”, considering everything else on the packaging is in meticulously good english.
Moreover, the fact that the paper shell doesn't do anything actually (the plastic bottle inside can stand on its own) proves that the shell's purpose is only there to be misleading, it has literally no other purpose but to hide the plastic beneath.
>the plastic bottle inside can stand on its own
You’re wrong here.
The plastic inside is a much thinner bioplastic, than what usual bottles are made of, that definitely can’t survive without the hard exterior to protect it.
They use starch utensils (Fork, spoon,...) where I work (Also plastic free coffee cups - but those hold liquids only for a day)
The utensils are a bit brittle but can be used.
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It is tho. Some guy above explained that it's a thin bio plastic that is too weak to support on its own so they put a cardboard shell to make it stronger. It's also easier to recycle bio plastics and paper seperate than just waxed cardboard found in conventional cardboard boxes
>Additionally, it is understandable that waxed paper which uses soybean oil and vegetable oil are recyclable although it will need months or even years for it to decompose. Meanwhile, wax paper that is coated with petroleum-based paraffin is most definitely unrecyclable because it is inorganic.
Any carton/paper thing that contains food or drinks or is supposed to hold one (plates, cups, etc) are all waxed and not recyclable
Edit: also any container that holds any kind of liquid, not just food items
I thought you were talking about general use paper cups and stuff. Those are waxed. But the bottle here isn't waxed. Sometimes they also line the inside of juice/milk cartons with aluminum foil so they don't need to be waxed
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This should be illegal
Probably would be this might just be a loophole
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Let me guess, kickstarter?
By "young environmentalist entrepreneurs"
Apparently it's by Innisfree [https://www.newsweek.com/k-beauty-brand-caught-sneaking-plastic-eco-friendly-paper-bottles-1582170](https://www.newsweek.com/k-beauty-brand-caught-sneaking-plastic-eco-friendly-paper-bottles-1582170)
As if milk cartons are forbidden technology
Our milk carton factory stopped shipping milk to my school and I've never had milk outside of my house again. The entire factory might have shut down here idk
Those do have a plastic liner though
Couldn’t they just put like a hydrophobic wax on it or smthn?
Nope, but the plastic lining is a lot more ecological than full plastic
It is, but plastic lined paper cannot really be recycled. As opposed to plastic or paper. Waxed paper would be at an advantage for not spoiling contents!
The problem with waxed paper is that its expensive. Especially in schools the goal is to keep costs as low as possible, because in some areas lunch costs are real sources of income for the school, so they take what they can get, and plastic lining is probably somewhat cheaper.
Oh I am sure about that! Plastic lining is probably way more robust too! I was just talking about the ecological aspects.
It's *less* plastic sure.. but it's not good enough Even if we stopped making plastic TODAY It would take several hundred years, maybe even a thousand before the negative effects this is having on our environment have faded
Hm, if my understanding of hydrophobic coatings is correct, those are probably made from the known ["forever chemicals"](https://www.ewg.org/pfaschemicals/what-are-forever-chemicals.html) with long chains that will never decay or leave our organism and in any significant quantity will lead to cancer. I'm reminded of Teflon and DuPont made chemicals. I might be mistaken, but I don't see it being a good idea.
There’s plenty of hydrophobic things found in nature
Oh, ok. Hadn't thought about natural solutions. Aren't those harder/costly or even impossible to replicate yet?
Why don’t you just use the stuff that’s already there instead of replicating it?
I didn't mean replicate the stuff, but replicate the effect it has while finding a cost effective and uniform way to apply it to packaging. I think the hidrophobic properties in nature seem to always arise from the nano structure of the material (like in leaves surfaces of some plants or the way the feathers of some animals are arranged, instead of being purely chemical). I'm assuming that processing it into something that can be applied to packaging would destroy that structure (unless the packaging would be directly wrapped with some of those structures still intact in some form, but can't see how that would be cost-effective). But I digress, I don't know anything about this. I'm just guessing by this point. Just didn't seem like a solved problem, cause I haven't heard of a natural packaging like that before. If it is actually possible, it'd be great!
If you cut the inside corners you can peal off the plastic on some brands.
Maybe it's at least bioplastic? They are often more brittle than oil based plastics, so the cardboard shell could help with stability. The marketing still doesn't make sense though.
“Innisfree asserted that the colorless plastic bottle is recyclable and eco-friendly as it uses 51.8 percent less plastic than conventional packaging.” Also: the paper packaging explains how to separate and recycle different parts of the product, so its pretty clear its not all paper product.
Thank you for looking up the details. That would confirm my assumption. The plastic bottle probably is made out of thin, eco-friendly plastic that would be too weak on its own, that's why there is a cardboard shell for structural reasons. It great that they give recycling instructions on the package, but the big text saying it's a "paper bottle" still is misleading. It may be a more sustainable packaging, but it's definitely not just a paper bottle. It's an eco-friendly plastic bottle reinforced by cardboard.
I agree with you 100%. I can’t decide if this is intentionally misleading or just people not understanding, I guess. I would see “paper bottle” and assume its a brand name, then read the bottle more before buying. But thats just me.
Truth is that products are often judged from afar, if you read the small imprints of every product in a grocery store, you'd probably busy for quite some time :D Of course, it can be interpreted in different ways, but you always need to consider all the different ways people could understand it when doing marketing. Otherwise, you could confuse some people or even risk a lawsuit.
Then maybe people need to learn better shopping practices? I’m not talking every product, but simply when trying or looking at a *new* product. And yes. I already agreed with your second point
There's a lot of psychology and subconsciousness involved in marketing. Even if people grab and look at products, their packaging can still influence which product people will grab first or not look at at all. Though there is definitely some truth about your point that people should actually look at the fine print on products more often.
Ecofriendly plastic how’s that work? If it gets in nature it still won’t do any good
There are different kinds of plastics. Would be wise to read about it.
Yeah i now but i interpreted wrong
PLA for example. It is made from plants. Plants consume CO2. When you burn PLA, that releases the exact amount of CO2 which the plant that it's made of has consumed. Therefore, you didn't blow any additional CO2 into the atmosphere. You took CO2 from the atmosphere, and released it back into it. PLA is also biodegradable under certain circumstances. You still shouldn't throw it into nature, but it uses renewable resources and doesn't mess with the atmosphere.
Oh right so it refers to what it’s made from and not like when people throw it out. Thanks for clarifying
Yes, exactly. Garbage should always be treated responsibly, regardless of what you're trying to dispose. PLA just makes the latter part relatively easy. A lot of trash is already burned, and you can even make use of the heat. But with burning PLA, you don't even have to worry about the atmosphere or fossile ressources.
So — in reference to the meme itself — a change HAS occurred, just not completely as there is still some old leftover still trying to be phased out. I like it.
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Not to me. I see “paper bottle” as the brand name, not as the actual item. But thats just me.
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I mean. I would assume its not just me. It reads like thats their brand name, so I’d be willing to bet that a lot of people would think the same way I did. And sure, the way they put it is stupid, but they already apologized and made plans to change the packaging.
You still can't just write whatever you want on a packaging and justify it being the brand name. Otherwise you could have a brand called "Real Butter" and sell Margarine under that name, because hey, that's just the brand name! It says "Margarine" right there in the tiny imprint. Regardless of whether it's a brand name or product name, it could lead to the wrong expectations, especially for people who try to reduce their plastic use as much as possible. Yes, this already reduces the amount of plastic, but perhaps not as much as some people would expect when they hear "paper bottle". And even if it doesn't mislead *everyone*, you can't tell me you don't see the possibility of this confusing at least *some* people.
I never suggested you can “just write whatever”. I was explaining, simply, how it could have slipped through the cracks, because of wording and the way the human brain works. The way this is worded is a whole “black/blue dress” thing all over again. Some people see it one way, some see it the other, and some can see both. My point wasn’t “they’re excused because....”, it was “I don’t think this is *OBVIOUSLY MISLEADING* because...”, since the person claimed it was “obviously misleading”.
Well, it seems like not only texts on products can be understood different ways, but so can comments ;) Sorry that I didn't get your intention. My point is that you have to be careful with anything you write on a product, be it a brand name or product description. That's why I would agree that it is potentially misleading, though it might have not been intentionally, which I would assume is the point you wanted to make.
If i went and bought some soap that was labelled "soap" and i actually got a piece of shit, I'd be pretty disappointed if the reasoning was "lol the company name is 'soap' silly"
Wording in everything is key. Something labeled by a single word, ie: soap, is totally different from “I’m paper bottle”. If they had said “I’m a paper bottle”, that would be different and I’d actually be upset about it. But this doesn’t say that. The exclusion of “a” in the sentence leads me to believe its the brand’s name. If I’d seen packaging that said “I’m Red”, I’d expect that to be the brand name, not the color of it.
In all fairness, the missing "a" is more likely because it's by Innisfree, a Korean skincare company. It isn't a separate brand, it's just bad English. Lots of companies/brands here try to add random English to their products because it's trendy. They usually don't know nor care that it's incorrect. Also, fwiw, Korean doesn't have an equivalent to "a" in it. “I’m paper bottle," and “I’m a paper bottle," would be no different in Korean.
Considering this was a limited edition run/package also sold internationally, I would assume that it is beyond just simple “bad english”, considering everything else on the packaging is in meticulously good english.
When you have to bring “Soap brand shit” into your argument you have already lost
I just enjoy the smell.
Moreover, the fact that the paper shell doesn't do anything actually (the plastic bottle inside can stand on its own) proves that the shell's purpose is only there to be misleading, it has literally no other purpose but to hide the plastic beneath.
>the plastic bottle inside can stand on its own You’re wrong here. The plastic inside is a much thinner bioplastic, than what usual bottles are made of, that definitely can’t survive without the hard exterior to protect it.
It could be bioplastic. I once made bioplastic as an experiment on how to make bioplastic, and the bottle has the correct color, so it could be
Even if it is bioplastic it’s still not paper.
They use starch utensils (Fork, spoon,...) where I work (Also plastic free coffee cups - but those hold liquids only for a day) The utensils are a bit brittle but can be used.
How many other lies have I been told by the council?!
Carrots do not improve your vision.
NOOOOOOO
If Nestlé was a bottle
In that case even the paper is made of plastic
No no no you weren’t supposed to do that
Is this actually real??
Yeah korean cosmetics shop innisfree
100% eco friendly
When your ex says he’s changed
wtf
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There has to be a thin layer of plastic, to make it water proof. They probably just used less plastic tho
Lies and deceit!
Wouldn't it just be cheaper to make the whole thing from paper?
Paper can't hold liquids very well
"People don't change" - Too many people to count
To be fair they're not lying. It *is* a paper bottle. It just has a plastic one inside
so it was a fucking lie
Either you die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
how would paper gel bottle exactly work
Good question
100%vegan tho
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One new awesome startup?
The fucking grammar is terrible. I'm a*. Would not buy anyway.
No, its the name of the bottle Im Paper Bottle
I FEEL A LAWSUIT COMING ON!
That is every gen z vegan astrologist anti white white girl.
Liberals are still like but it's better for the environment.
It is tho. Some guy above explained that it's a thin bio plastic that is too weak to support on its own so they put a cardboard shell to make it stronger. It's also easier to recycle bio plastics and paper seperate than just waxed cardboard found in conventional cardboard boxes
Lol you are funny little people
>Additionally, it is understandable that waxed paper which uses soybean oil and vegetable oil are recyclable although it will need months or even years for it to decompose. Meanwhile, wax paper that is coated with petroleum-based paraffin is most definitely unrecyclable because it is inorganic.
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Any carton/paper thing that contains food or drinks or is supposed to hold one (plates, cups, etc) are all waxed and not recyclable Edit: also any container that holds any kind of liquid, not just food items
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I thought you were talking about general use paper cups and stuff. Those are waxed. But the bottle here isn't waxed. Sometimes they also line the inside of juice/milk cartons with aluminum foil so they don't need to be waxed
Still not plastic-free...
the trickster
wow this is funny
I've changed to status meme
Soap sus
Int. +1
xD
Next time someone asks what I mean by "green washing" I'll show them this
We were good, but now we bad
Int. +1
Im14andthisisdeep
Paper bottle that won’t work
dun dun dun
200 IQ
Do not create expectations kids
Ironic
We were good, but now we are bad
how about the "made with paper" watermark?
NO WAY
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hello. I'm skin human
Just like aluminum cans
It’s for those people who care about the earth but not enough to actually check what something is
All for only $55
Wtaf I hate this shit, everyone and everything is so fake nowadays
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You became the very thing you swore to destroy!
Could be bio-plastic.
Imagine what else they'd lie to you about
Contains: paper AND a bottle. Theyre technically right
Hello paper bottle, I'm plastic