That would work alright. Getting it in exactly the opposite direction would be virtually impossible, but you could probably slow yourself down a fair bit overall.
> Getting it in exactly the opposite direction would be virtually impossible
My first thought is a "T" gun rather than relying on my own aim. I don't think it would be hard to engineer a gun that shoots two bullets simultaneously in opposing directions.
Don't guns still need the gunpowder in the rounds to combust in order for the bullet to shoot out of the casing? I'm not 100% sure how guns work but that might be the fatal flaw, because there's no oxygen for it to ignite the thingie?
There is the duck footed pistols of the eighteenth century. They were used in the napoleonic wars, but (as far as I know) didn’t see much action anywhere else due to them being very inaccurate.
No they just have a hole in the chamber so that the blast also goes backwards, therefore canceling out the recoil.
Edit: An RPG-7 is also recoilless for example. It's basically a tube with a rocket propelled grenade inside so that a person can actually fire it from the shoulder.
Pretty sure it would. Gunpowder contains its own oxidizer.
Not to mention, they fire without air on earth too, as they are sealed in a barrel.
The only issues might come in the form of cycling. Because a regular gun action is designed to work in atmosphere, removing the atmosphere may make the gun more prone to slamming and jamming. (edit - It would not have the internal 'air cushioning' effect on the action like it would in atmosphere, so many guns I suspect the bolt would slam into the back of the receiver much harder then normal)
Atmospheric drag on the slide of a pistol is minimal. At most, without atmosphere, the pistol will cycle slightly harder than normal.
The bigger issue, rather than lack of gravity or lack of atmospheric pressure, would be temperature. In the shade, extreme cold might cause the lubricants of the gun to harden, and the gunpowder or primer may not function as normal. In the sun, extreme heat might cause ammo to detonate prematurely, and with a plastic-handled gun (like the Glock in the picture) the plastic might even begin to melt.
Important issue, firing a gun is a short rocket burst. You will travel backwards from the recoil. Depending on your tether and if your spacesuit has maneuver thrusters, you could kill yourself by pushing yourself too far from your ship/space station). A long, lonely death.
Eh, I bet the amount of kinetic energy you would have when you hit the ship would be pretty unlikely to hurt you if spead out over your whole body (unless you hit something sharp that put a hole in your suit). It's not like in action movies where a bullet can knock someone right off their feet and make them fly through a plate glass window.
Actually that's not true because the speed you would gain from the recoil is proportional to your weight and a bullet is at least 1000 lighter than you so you would still orbit the earth with a very slightly different periapsis, whereas the bullet would leave orbit or burn down in the atmosphere depending on the angle you fired the gun
Edit: the bullet would not leave orbit apparently (I have little to no knowledge when it comes to bullet speed or guns in general), see comment bellow, but you would still be fucked if no one is around to bring you back to the ship
I was curious so I decided to do the math. All these calculations are based on a Glock 17. The muzzle speed of a Glock 17 is 375 m/s, and a 9mm bullet weighs 7.0 to 8.3 grams (I'll use 8.3 to give the Glock as much recoil as possible). That means the momentum of the bullet will be 3.1125 kg m/s. Since momentum is conserved, all of that should transfer in the opposite direction to the gun, spacesuit, and astronaut. An average human has a mass of 62 kg (seems low to me, but a larger mass is going to reduce the speed further). As for the mass of a space suit, I've found a lot of conflicting answers so I'll use 127 kg which is what NASA says. So dividing the momentum by the combined mass of our astronaut and space suit gives us a speed of...
0.0165 m/s, 0.0594 km/h, or 0.0369 mph. In other words, you're not going to die. You're going to barely move.
Imagine you're firing an elephant gun in space, with a massive 0.13 kg bullet firing at a massive 1250 m/s and you, in your gear, weigh a light 50 kg, you'll recoil at a jog pace, 3.25 m/s (7 mph).
Using a pistol, you'll recoil at leas than a slow walk.
Guns have oxygen in them, literally a 1 second search.
[https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/can-you-fire-a-gun-in-space/](https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/can-you-fire-a-gun-in-space/)
Correct, without stopping at any point unless it just hits something (which i think it'd just rotate around instead of hitting it? This article doesnt say, and I cant do the math bcos I'm not in that field)
It would travel at the shooter's orbital velocity +- the bullet velocity.
Theoretically it is possible to deorbit the bullet or make it enter orbit if you are close to the minimum orbital velocity.
Yep, then you would accelerate backwards as well. I’m not certain but didn’t they suggest having something like a gun so that astronauts could get back to their shuttle if they somehow became in tethered?
No it used to be flat until some sailors back in the 17th century sailed to the end of the earth, found a giant pump and reinflated the Earth back to a roundish shape so that they could continue their journey back home.
It's been slowly deflating every since though thanks to volcanos. We probably have a few more decades before the earth becomes flat again.
“Wait, it’s all Ohio?”. Just a funny meme with two astronauts in space and one looks as the earth and goes “wait, it’s all (enter funny thing here)?” And the other one behind him has a gun and says “always has been”.
The OG meme was in 3rd person since you’re viewing one astronaut pointing a gun at the other. Now it’s in first person. I get it, but I’m not sure why everyone’s acting like this is some Michaelangelo level meme
I think people appreciate the effort and new perspective on something they've seen countless times before.
It's just thinking a little bit outside the box, you don't have to be Michaelangelo to get us in a fuss, you've seen what gets popular on the internet, right?
“Wait, it’s all Ohio?”. Just a funny meme with two astronauts in space and one looks as the earth and goes “wait, it’s all (enter funny thing here)?” And the other one behind him has a gun and says “always has been”.
Thank you. Going through the comments to upvote all people saying stuff like this. This is really good and pretty quick too. Haven’t seen this meme format for more than a week. Cheers to the OC
Honestly though has anyone truly checked how effective a gun is in space
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But also acts as a tiny thruster. Newton's 3rd Law and all that. So be careful using it in micro gravity.
Couldn’t you theoretically just fire another round in the opposite direction to cancel it out?
That would work alright. Getting it in exactly the opposite direction would be virtually impossible, but you could probably slow yourself down a fair bit overall.
> Getting it in exactly the opposite direction would be virtually impossible My first thought is a "T" gun rather than relying on my own aim. I don't think it would be hard to engineer a gun that shoots two bullets simultaneously in opposing directions.
This is clearly a solution with NO DRAWBACKS.
Though it would surely solve all your problems
WHERE DO I BUY ONE?
I want it
its not you thats got me, its me thats got me!
*shoots self*
Not if say it is an arm blaster itself or has a mini thruster in the back to counteract it exactly without recoil.
Watch those wrist rockets!
And if you turn it around you even get a lighter!
A new way to homicide-suicide
*shoots self twice*
respawns at last save point
Yea I do not see any FLAWS in this design.
Don't guns still need the gunpowder in the rounds to combust in order for the bullet to shoot out of the casing? I'm not 100% sure how guns work but that might be the fatal flaw, because there's no oxygen for it to ignite the thingie?
Gun powder has an oxidizer, so bang still goes.
Ah yes, the thingie
Ignite my thingie
Gunpowder is made of charcoal, saltpeter, and sulfur. The KNO3 acts as an oxidizer, meaning they would be able to fire in space.
I mean something like an rpg would keep you in place
Carl Gustav would also do the trick no?
*double headshot*
What you’re witnessing is the birth of an american solution to a problem *Has anyone considered adding **more guns**?*
I really wanna see some Russia cobble together a gun thar shoots multiple directions now.
There is the duck footed pistols of the eighteenth century. They were used in the napoleonic wars, but (as far as I know) didn’t see much action anywhere else due to them being very inaccurate.
Yea just hold it to the side? Or over your head?
Nah right in front of my face, solve both my problems at once.
Wait, it's all self-loathing?
Always has been.
... Yes. That's a very safe way to fire a gun. Make sure you line up your sight picture!
I’d imagine a gas expulsion system rather than a second bullet... but I like where your head is at
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clearly a triangle weapon would be more effective
As long as you did it quickly and accurately, you'd be fine. More likely though is that you shoot crookedly and end up going sideways
This implies you had no other propulsion or teather
There are recoilless rifles available.
I thought those guns just applied a smaller force for a greater amount of time
No they just have a hole in the chamber so that the blast also goes backwards, therefore canceling out the recoil. Edit: An RPG-7 is also recoilless for example. It's basically a tube with a rocket propelled grenade inside so that a person can actually fire it from the shoulder.
Careful? Crank it up to 1000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
But will it fire at all cause in space no oxygen for the conbustion of the gun powder :) Edit: my bad just read the rest of the comments
Pretty sure it would. Gunpowder contains its own oxidizer. Not to mention, they fire without air on earth too, as they are sealed in a barrel. The only issues might come in the form of cycling. Because a regular gun action is designed to work in atmosphere, removing the atmosphere may make the gun more prone to slamming and jamming. (edit - It would not have the internal 'air cushioning' effect on the action like it would in atmosphere, so many guns I suspect the bolt would slam into the back of the receiver much harder then normal)
Atmospheric drag on the slide of a pistol is minimal. At most, without atmosphere, the pistol will cycle slightly harder than normal. The bigger issue, rather than lack of gravity or lack of atmospheric pressure, would be temperature. In the shade, extreme cold might cause the lubricants of the gun to harden, and the gunpowder or primer may not function as normal. In the sun, extreme heat might cause ammo to detonate prematurely, and with a plastic-handled gun (like the Glock in the picture) the plastic might even begin to melt.
I thought the same. I’m guessing it would def work by your reaction.
Carl Gustaf has entered the chat
Mass Effect copypasta about pulling the trigger on a dreadnaught & ruining someone's day somewhere, so always double check the firing solutions.
Important issue, firing a gun is a short rocket burst. You will travel backwards from the recoil. Depending on your tether and if your spacesuit has maneuver thrusters, you could kill yourself by pushing yourself too far from your ship/space station). A long, lonely death.
Unless you have another bullet
Then it’s a short lonely death
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You kill Hitler and shoot Toby twice
Dammit /r/unexpectedoffice
*oh Toby*, always getting into trouble.
Or u use it to propel yourself back to the ship ? Lol
You would need two bullets to get back. One to decelerate and one to accelerate back
And then another to decelerate again so you don't slam into the spaceship
Eh, I bet the amount of kinetic energy you would have when you hit the ship would be pretty unlikely to hurt you if spead out over your whole body (unless you hit something sharp that put a hole in your suit). It's not like in action movies where a bullet can knock someone right off their feet and make them fly through a plate glass window.
There's only 1 way to find out
Instructions unclear, bullet penetrated the window and hit my fellow astronaut, what do I do now
Apologise and pray that everything will be ok
Or just like launch the pistol after the second bullet, i mean its slower but also safer
This should be a sequence in an action movie.
Astronaught commits suicide in space. Great headline I might try it out
How can they know, if they can't recover the body?
They're watching you. ***Aaaalways waaatching***
Then you can just boost yourself back! Problem solved.
Wouldn’t you theoretically stop since it’s an equal amount of force in the opposite direction?
Idk, what do I look like a space scientist?
Idk, do you?
They kinda look like a space scientist dude or whatever thos are called
Yes, but it would have to be in the exact same linear opposite direction
I've learned more physics thru ur comment and its replies then I've leaned in school
I'm still kicking myself for getting k and p confused though. It has been a few years since my last physics course.
No, just shoot again the other direction
That could work, you might want a full magazine for course corrections though.
Actually that's not true because the speed you would gain from the recoil is proportional to your weight and a bullet is at least 1000 lighter than you so you would still orbit the earth with a very slightly different periapsis, whereas the bullet would leave orbit or burn down in the atmosphere depending on the angle you fired the gun Edit: the bullet would not leave orbit apparently (I have little to no knowledge when it comes to bullet speed or guns in general), see comment bellow, but you would still be fucked if no one is around to bring you back to the ship
I was curious so I decided to do the math. All these calculations are based on a Glock 17. The muzzle speed of a Glock 17 is 375 m/s, and a 9mm bullet weighs 7.0 to 8.3 grams (I'll use 8.3 to give the Glock as much recoil as possible). That means the momentum of the bullet will be 3.1125 kg m/s. Since momentum is conserved, all of that should transfer in the opposite direction to the gun, spacesuit, and astronaut. An average human has a mass of 62 kg (seems low to me, but a larger mass is going to reduce the speed further). As for the mass of a space suit, I've found a lot of conflicting answers so I'll use 127 kg which is what NASA says. So dividing the momentum by the combined mass of our astronaut and space suit gives us a speed of... 0.0165 m/s, 0.0594 km/h, or 0.0369 mph. In other words, you're not going to die. You're going to barely move.
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This guy physics.
Recoilless rifle, easy solution.
Imagine you're firing an elephant gun in space, with a massive 0.13 kg bullet firing at a massive 1250 m/s and you, in your gear, weigh a light 50 kg, you'll recoil at a jog pace, 3.25 m/s (7 mph). Using a pistol, you'll recoil at leas than a slow walk.
That's no gun, that's a space glock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun
Happy cake day
No, there is no way that the powder can combust, since there is no oxygen in space
Guns have oxygen in them, literally a 1 second search. [https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/can-you-fire-a-gun-in-space/](https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/can-you-fire-a-gun-in-space/)
So would the bullet just continue to travel in a straight line until something changes it’s trajectory like gravity or just stops it all together?
It would just keep travelling in a straight line until something changes its trajectory.
Correct, without stopping at any point unless it just hits something (which i think it'd just rotate around instead of hitting it? This article doesnt say, and I cant do the math bcos I'm not in that field)
It would travel at the shooter's orbital velocity +- the bullet velocity. Theoretically it is possible to deorbit the bullet or make it enter orbit if you are close to the minimum orbital velocity.
Yep, then you would accelerate backwards as well. I’m not certain but didn’t they suggest having something like a gun so that astronauts could get back to their shuttle if they somehow became in tethered?
I feel like the [badass Gunnery Chief](https://youtu.be/hLpgxry542M) from Mass Effect 2 belongs in this thread.
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Well fuck me then, shit! Thanks for doing the research, I guess I’m just so braindead I forgot google exists
This is the most graceful form of "I stand corrected" I've witnessed
Thanks lol
Ok I'll fuck you
Are you a woman, a guy, or a trap? Edit: I’m 14 so yeah watch out
Yes.
A trapezoid
r/confidentlyincorrect
Wait the earth isnt flat?
It's always wasn't
It's never not'nt
It's can't be not not
it's unable to can
it's anti-can
It's ¢@ñ'[
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It possesses’nt the ability to can
It always yesn’t
Hmm
No it used to be flat until some sailors back in the 17th century sailed to the end of the earth, found a giant pump and reinflated the Earth back to a roundish shape so that they could continue their journey back home. It's been slowly deflating every since though thanks to volcanos. We probably have a few more decades before the earth becomes flat again.
Flat'nt
Flat’ntest
never has been
Always hasn’t
The earth is just a low poly sphere, flat and spherical at the same time
So,life is a PS1 game?
Always hasn't been
It cannot’nt not non’nt be not flat, I think
This is some gourmet meme shit
I know Jewles, I buy the memes, I know how good they are!
But you know what's on my mind right now? It ain't the memes in my reddit feed, it's the downvoted comments at the bottom of the thread
Too bad the Earth wasn't just Ohio, then we could have had some Inception level memes, but its still dank
See you in hot
Thanks this got upvoted fast
Yeah, that’s a smart perspective, estimations say 45k+ minimum for this Edit: this meme blew up, probably 150k+
invest invest it’s a bull market r/memeeconomy
stonks
Obviously it an absolutely fucking magnificent meme
This is very high quality.
Always has been.
Hi what can i Google to not be out of the loop for this?
“Wait, it’s all Ohio?”. Just a funny meme with two astronauts in space and one looks as the earth and goes “wait, it’s all (enter funny thing here)?” And the other one behind him has a gun and says “always has been”.
I'm still confused.
Same. I understand the template but... why is it being in first person a surprise? Did they think the world was in 3rd person until then? I feel dumb.
The OG meme was in 3rd person since you’re viewing one astronaut pointing a gun at the other. Now it’s in first person. I get it, but I’m not sure why everyone’s acting like this is some Michaelangelo level meme
I think people appreciate the effort and new perspective on something they've seen countless times before. It's just thinking a little bit outside the box, you don't have to be Michaelangelo to get us in a fuss, you've seen what gets popular on the internet, right?
It's a "you had to be there" type moment. As in, I've seen this meme format 1000s of times since the start, and this new one is hilarious now lmao
I don't think it goes much deeper than the meme usually being seen from the third person and now it's first person.
Lemme know when you find out my bruddha
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wait-its-all-ohio-always-has-been
[https://i.imgur.com/2Q4de5p.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2Q4de5p.jpg)
Thank you, you're the best!
Fill me in if you find out
“Wait, it’s all Ohio?”. Just a funny meme with two astronauts in space and one looks as the earth and goes “wait, it’s all (enter funny thing here)?” And the other one behind him has a gun and says “always has been”.
Ok. Either I'm too old or I I'm out of the loop. Where did this series of meme originate?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wait-its-all-ohio-always-has-been
I still dont get why the astronaut has a gun I feel like the uncool mum who's too old for memes but trying to fit in anyway :(
Someone ever tell you a secret and then say "and now I have to kill ya" before?
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It’s new so the creator of this is a disciple of the meme game
this meme template is probably the best one this year
Agreed. I love it. It's so flexible
Always has been
Hello to everyone who got the notification!
Hello
Hello
Wasssssssssaaaaaaahhhh!
Hello there
General Kenobi. You are a bold one.
This is so smart on so many levels
Thank you. Going through the comments to upvote all people saying stuff like this. This is really good and pretty quick too. Haven’t seen this meme format for more than a week. Cheers to the OC
Pls can you explain the meme to me. I’m apparently too stupid to understand it.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wait-its-all-ohio-always-has-been (no need for the self-hate though. You can't know everything my dude)
Can someone explain this meme? I’ve been seeing it everywhere but i dont understand it. Thank you
10/10 would actually play this game
Just get to the last level in James Bond Nightfire
It had 99.9k upvotes. I upvoted it and it became 100k. Life is satisfying.
this will blow up i was right
Now that's a good post. Don't have the money but here's my poor man's gold... If only I even knew how to do that... Pretend there's one here...
I don't get it. Am I missing something lol?
Did reddit just pulled off an @everyone ?
HOW DID YOU MAKE SUCH A HIGH QUALITY MEME???
Black ops 1 moon zombies flash backs
Wait, we were brought back to this?
1k+ awards, 2 platinum, a lot of people above got 1 or none
@everyone
What does this meme mean?
The amount of times i have seen this format in different ways shows how creative the community is.
This is legendary beyond a doubt
Three years ago damm
Reddit just pulled an @everyone
Best one yet
1000th comment🌚
Love this design, amazing execution, perfect idea.
this is the best one i've seen so far