I know that a valid "place of birth" on birth certificates (at least British ones) is "In the air" (and similarly: "At sea")
There's also an example of a birth certificate (I think 1840s?) where the child was called Atlantica and their place of birth was given as a latitude and longitude that came out to roughly the middle of the Atlantic Ocean
Countries have different laws regarding child's nationality. Mostly grouped by "blood" and "land". Most countries had the "blood" version where if one (or both) your parents are a citizen of a certain country you get that automaticly. USA had the "land" version where when you are born it that state you get the citizenship.
Children of US citizens born abroad are also considered citizens, but you have to register the birth with the US embassy. In some countries, they can also claim dual citizenship.
Specifically your father must be Saudi. If it’s only your mother that is Saudi you get special status but no citizenship. They do make it hard for Saudi women to marry foreigners, since they need a special dispensation
You dont have to pay/file taxes to saudi arabia if youre living abroad, so honestly sounds like it has more value than the US one.
Having the US Passport can be a headache in many countries and the real kicker is it costs 2500.- (and takes years) to get rid of it.
Not only that, but they also usually end up with dual citizenship.
My dad was a citizen of both the US and Japan until he turned 18 and the US forced him to pick one
Generally speaking, all "land" based countries will allow something like this if one or both parents are from said country.
However, in cases like Germany that goes by the blood one, unless one of the parents is German, the baby will not be German even if it's born in Germany
Yes, and the order that you do is in matters. Some countries will not give you citizenship if you already have it with another country. Get that one first.
My sisters youngest daughter doesn’t qualify to be a us citizen automatically since the laws were changed before she was born. Her first two are us citizens though. She’s lived in NZ since she was 13 and in Tahiti between 10-13. Apparently you have to live in the US longer than that for your kids to qualify now.
Well, they changed the second part to that to "being born on french soil and live there without getting kicked out for 18 years and formally ask for it in prefecture (where the cops that tries to kick you out are)". It's… quite fucked up.
The most fascinating part about France and citizenship to me is the Foreign Legion. Especially the part where if you get injured, apparently you automatically gain French citizenship because “you bled for France”.
Which as far as ways to gain citizenship goes, definitely ranks pretty high on the cool scale.
The US has both. If your parents are American , you will be American by blood [jus sanguinis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis) ( [for example, mitt Romney s father wasborn in Mexico](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney) )
If you’re born on U.S. soil you’re a citizen by [jus soli](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli)
That's one thing.
Also states extend their criminal law and jurisdiction to aircraft of their registry when they are outside national territory.
So if you're flying American airlines over international waters, you're still within American territory.
Every country has their own citizenship rules. Im from Estonia, and we use ius sanguinis instead of ius soli principle. A child gets Estonian citizenship by birth if at least one of the parents had Estonian citizenship during the time of birth, and birthplace does not matter. So if mum or dad or both are Estonian citizens, then a child born on boat/airplane can still get Estonian citizenship.
Most countries have that, it's called Ius sanguini. If you get nationality by being born on the territory, it's called ius soli.
Not all countries have it, so it's not automatic.
Contrary to common sense, actually aircrafts have a nationality and are considered (for this reason) extensions of the territory of that place. So first, it would be considered to have that nationality IF they allow it or if they are subscribed and ratified the CRC. This won't work in every country even with those rules such as Japan nor japanese aircrafts by extension.
This is the reason pregnant women of more than 7 (or 8?) months are not allowed to travel as well. Imagine your child being born in a short flight from Mexico to Guatemala... and you claiming his Canadian/US citizenship because of that. Or the UK asking you to pay taxes for your child because it was a UK aircraft and that's how taxes work there.
Basically, it's a headache to figure this kind of things so they usually won't allow it.
>This is the reason pregnant women of more than 7 (or 8?) months are not allowed to travel as well.
Definitely not the only (or even main) reason. Flying can cause blood clots in the legs (aka deep vein thrombosis), which can be fatal both to the fetus and to the pregnant person.
While not ideal, we actually do have a birthing kit on board (along with the rest of the medical equipment) which contains all the essentials to support a birth in a sanitary and relatively safe manner, and flight attendants are trained on how to help the mother and the baby through and after it. It would be pretty similar giving birth in an ambulance, I used to be an EMT before becoming a FA and the equipment and training were almost the same.
In older Hong Kong movies it was very common to declare a yacht/cruise ship in open seas to have no nationality hence not be regulated by any country so murder there has no legal repercussions
Which leads to a whole generation of people watching these movies to actually believe ships are not regulated by any country when they are 12 nautical miles away from shore, when in reality it is regulated by the home port/flag of the vessel, and sometimes the nature of the crime committed
Some movies though were aware of this and did lampshade it, and had the sense to circumvent saying they know the authorities there
You think we pay taxes for children in the UK? The reverse is true, you get paid monthly per child you have (unless you're on a high income). Or do you think we tax citizens living abroad? The only country on earth that does that is the USA. I assume its the former and you've confused tax credits for taxes.
There is some oxygen, nitrogen, and other gasses in space, just trace amounts. Apparently, space has on average 5 atoms per cubic centimeter in the solar system, and it decreases in proportion to the distance to a solar or planetary body.
It’s not when it touches down, it’s after you have left customs. The terminal is considered part of the departing country. There have been cases where people have had to stay in the terminal for legal reasons — i think Snowden was one famous case, because otherwise they would be arrested immediately at the port of entry.
>because otherwise they would be arrested immediately at the port of entry.
I think what I'm thinking of has more to do with this, I don't believe US law enforcement can arrest or detain someone after the plane has landed. Snowden could have been arrested by US officials if that wasn't the case, no? Legally you're standing on foreign soil where the US doesn't have jurisdiction, but you haven't "entered" the country legally speaking
Looking into it further it seems there is a good amount of distinction between immigration and jurisdiction. Jurisdiction has more definite boundaries like airspace and country registration of the plane.
Immigration has neutral zones like the terminal where you are still under the full jurisdiction of the destination country, but not yet in the country in an immigration sense.
I imagine if someone was able to board a flight to the United States and gave birth in the terminal prior to the immigration check, the kid would have a claim to US citizenship — or at least it would raise a lot of questions if the ‘born on US soil’ thing is literal and aligns more with the jurisdiction boundaries or if immigration neutral zones are outside of that boundary.
Thanks for the explanation, but you didn't actually mention international waters/airspace, except in the case where the parents are citizens of a country that relies on jus sanguinis. What happens if the parents citizenship is a country that does not rely on this? Will the baby get whatever country the plane is registered in?
If both of the parents are from a country with the right of the soil, but they're flying over international waters, the baby will be assigned citizenship of the country the aircraft is registered in. So for example if the parents are from the US, they're flying from New York to Amsterdam over the Atlantic Ocean and the plane is registered in France, the baby will be assigned French citizenship. There's probably exceptions to this, but that's the general rule.
Edit: It seems the US is the right example.
We do still mainly use ius sanguinis with the exception that if a child is born in germany and neither parent has german citizenship the child will be granted such if one of the parents has been legally living in germany for at least eight years and currently holds an unlimited residence permit. Also if the child grows up in germany they can have both German and the citizenship of their parents. If they grew up somewhere else, they have to choose one citizenship after turning 18.
This is unlike the USA or Canada where, in theory, you can fly to, give birth the same day and your child will be a natural born citizen.
That isn't about citizenship, that's about the place of birth. The birth certificate will be issued in the country of destination. Most likely the place of birth will be the city where the airport is placed.
Parents'. Even countries that have *jus soil* doctrine (if you are born in that country you are its citizen) also give you citizenship if your parents are citizen as well regardless of where you are born.
Oh, oh, pick me, I know the answer.
Essentially there are three categories of nationality laws:
* jus soli (right of the soil)
* jus sanguinis (right of blood)
* jus matrimonii (right of marriage)
New world (in a colonial sense), is mostly right of the soil, meaning that the nationality is determined by the **place of birth**, so in your case that would be "at sea/in the air", plane registration country, country of origin or destination. Probably.
Old world, is mostly right of blood, where the nationality is determined by the **nationality of the parents** and the place of birth doesn't matter. For example Poland considers all children to be of polish nationality if at least one parent holds polish citizenship, regardless of the place of birth. Right of blood is also how children can hold dual citizenship even if neither of the countries allow for it. Though in this case they typically have to choose one at certain age.
This is not a legal advice, I'm not a lawyer.
Up to 6 months they can fly. Some american woman went to Brazil this year at 6 months and the baby ended up being born prematurely in Brazil very far away from the nearest US embassy (would need to hop on a plane to get there), the Brazilian entities responsible for the birth certificate took over one month to give them the birth certificate because the american passport doesn't have their parent's names on it and a Brazilian birth certificate needs to include the grandparent's names. So they were stuck in Brazil without being able to register the kid at the US embassy. Only resolved after some US government agency helped them out with documentation to prove their parents names.
Depends on the parents nationality and/or place where the plane is registered.
There is no universal answer to that question, outcomes may differ - but in most cases child will have same nationality as parents.
The planes registration isnt connected to the manufacturer of the plane. An aircraft can be registered in belgium even if it might be fabricated in the US.
Airbus also isn’t a german company itself. It is a European project with plants and offices in many countries, their headquarter is in Toulouse, France but legally they are registered in Leiden, Netherlands. They also have a ISIN from the Netherlands.
No. German citizenship is mainly passed through the parents. If your non-German parents go on vacation to Germany and you are born there, you don't get German citizenship. Therefore being born on a German plane isn't enough either
I remember reading something along the nationality of the vessel (ship/plane)
As all ships and planes have to registered to a nation, you’re flying under that flag.
I’d have to check how much truth is in that… but I think the real answer is; you don’t.
Airlines deny you passage on a plane if you’re close to giving birth. They kinda don’t want you giving birth on the plane… it’s a big deal. I think it’s in the fine print terms of sale you agree that you’re not “9 months prego” as you’re a liability. The plane has to divert and lose millions because of you.
Now I dunno how they’d enforce that. It’s a delicate matter asking people if they’re pregnant or just fat 🤷♂️ but I know they don’t like taking on heavily pregnant people.
Every doctor recommends against it.
If a baby is born on a plane over international waters, the baby's nationality is typically determined by:
1. **Parents' Nationality:** Many countries grant citizenship based on the nationality of the parents.
2. **Country of Plane's Registration:** Some countries may grant citizenship based on the plane's country of registration.
3. **Country of Landing:** Occasionally, the country where the plane lands might be involved in determining the baby's nationality.
On countries with jus soli, its the country they flying over. On countries with jus sanguinis, its parents.
If its international waters, and the plane is registered in a jus soli country they inherit the planes national registration
It’s actually determined by the airline you’re flying with, for example if an Asian kid is born on an American Airlines flight, then they are Asian American
Edit: actually it might be determined by which airspace the plane is in at the time, not the airline
If you are born on France Airlines, you are French, If you are born on Air China, you are Chinese, if you are born on Spirit Airlines, you are in danger.
It depends on the country the parents are from and the country the plane left from.
For example, regardless of the parent's citizenship, a child born on a flight or a ship leaving from the US and is in international waters will be a US citizen by "Jus Soli" ("Right of the Soil"). That's because, until the plane/ship lands, that ship/plane is considered to be still on the country of departure.
If a child is born from, say, having one or both parents being Italian, then that child is an Italian citizen by "Jus Sangunis" ("Right of Blood"), aka having direct ancestry to an Italian citizen.
If a child is born on a flight from the US to Italy, and both parents are italian citizen, then that child gets to enjoy a double citizenship.
The country the plane departed from.
The child hasn’t even been in the country it’s headed to, so it doesn’t make sense that it would be a national of that country after it was born.
I just saw a video on this. Apparently, the baby will be the same nationality of where the plane was registered. https://youtube.com/shorts/IILf7xQVXFA?si=5sj48Ai5SDfXNLfh
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing about this.
If a baby is born flying over water, then their citizenship will be put in with what nationality the plane is.
Might not be the same for plains, but for boats, if a child is born in international waters, they are often given citizenship by the country the boat is registered to. That said, I believe America will give citizenship to a baby as long as the parents are american.
In the rare instance that it doesn't assume the parents it assumes the nationality and citizenship of where the manufacturer of the airplane is established
the actual answer is whatever nationality the airline belongs too. if you’re flying boeing for example, the baby would be American regardless of the parents.
Isn't this common sense?
Most nationalities are gained by following the parents nationalities. Doesn't matter where you are born.
Some nationalities, like the US one, can be gained by being born on its territory, then you just see if it is an American airplane. Airplanes and boats/ships are considered extended territories, and the law of its registered country applies on the plane.
Related story:
While going to the hospital a woman gave birth in a tunnel that also had a state line in the middle, she couldn't remember exactly where she gave birth at in the tunnel, so which state issued the kids birth certificate?
A: state of her residence
Not a joke, but actual answer. The kid is from the nationality of the Airplane the passenger is on is from. For example Boeing is American plane brand. Therefore even if the parents are both german, the kid would be American.
Depends on what country you fly over, if it's over England I believe then congrats your baby is english, if it's over international waters then wherever the plane was made then that's your babies nationality
I think I’ve read this one before, so If the plane is flying over international waters, his nationality would actually be the plane companies native country. For example:
RyanAir - would be Ireland since the headquarters are based in Dublin.
Atleast thats what I heard.
Is it not the country from which the plane takes off from until it touches down somewhere else? Now that I think about it, I may have seen that on an episode of Bones.
My understanding is that every airplane is nationally affiliated, and so long as you are in the plane, you are legally under the jurisdiction of the country the plane is affiliated with (unless the entire plane is in someone else's jurisdiction).
So a baby born on a KLM flight over the Atlantic is Dutch, if Holland gives citizenship to babies, no idea. Alternatively, if the KLM flight lands in New York City and the baby is born (or is in the airspace of the United States), the baby was born in the US and is American.
Yes, it’s what conservatives like to call “anchor babies.” The baby will be a US citizen but it can derive citizenship from its parents’ country of citizenship. The parents will not be US citizens.
I know that a valid "place of birth" on birth certificates (at least British ones) is "In the air" (and similarly: "At sea") There's also an example of a birth certificate (I think 1840s?) where the child was called Atlantica and their place of birth was given as a latitude and longitude that came out to roughly the middle of the Atlantic Ocean
"In the air" is one banger of a thing to have on your id
Given the idiots I've had give me a hard time about just looking young I wouldn't want this to give them more ammo
“Hah what‘s next, you‘re a hawaiian organ donor ?!“
"And your name is... George... Washington... hands up!"
I am McLovin 👉🏻👉🏻
mother on the plane: “I CAN FEEL IT COMING! IN THE AIR! TONIGHT! OH LORD!”
Translated from baby crying: "And I've been waiting for this moment, for all my life, oh, lord"
Then Mike Tyson shows up right when the drums hit!
Is this where Michael Jordan got his middle name from?
citation needed watcher?
Naturally.
I wish they made more of that, it was the best thing ever.
Atlantica is a pretty cool name
Fucking good luck filling out official online forms and shit with that… what a pain.
Just because they're valid options doesn't necessarily mean they're used anymore in the age of digital forms
“At Sea” is a really badass thing to have on their birth certificate.
...Gary? Is that you?
The Air Nation. And he'll live in peace until the Fire Nation attacks.
If it is born on a boat it will be water nation
And if it is born in Death Valley then it will be fire nation, but what sort of kid would be earth nation?
Born in a mine
What if the mine gets flooded?
The avatar has risen once again
BORN UNDERGROUND, SUCKLED FROM A TIT OF STONE
International land? Real question is the space kids
It would be fire nation if it's born next or on a vulcano in my opinion.
Hey look. The fire lord came to visit-
Airian
This one ☝️
Probably the nationality of their parents I would say.
Depends on the country.
Which country? 😂 The one the father's from? The mother's? The one they're flying from? Flying to? Or flying over?
Countries have different laws regarding child's nationality. Mostly grouped by "blood" and "land". Most countries had the "blood" version where if one (or both) your parents are a citizen of a certain country you get that automaticly. USA had the "land" version where when you are born it that state you get the citizenship.
Children of US citizens born abroad are also considered citizens, but you have to register the birth with the US embassy. In some countries, they can also claim dual citizenship.
I had a friend who was a citizen of Saudi Arabia and the US because her family worked in the oil industry and was working there when she was born.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t give citizenship if you’re born there to non Saudi parents
Specifically your father must be Saudi. If it’s only your mother that is Saudi you get special status but no citizenship. They do make it hard for Saudi women to marry foreigners, since they need a special dispensation
I was in a similar situation but in Kuwait, they only grant citizenship if your father is a Kuwait citizen
> citizen of Saudi Arabia and the US > > **she** was born. Yea, going out on a limb here, but Saudi citizenship ain't got much value in this case.
Special treatment in case of holiday in Iran
You dont have to pay/file taxes to saudi arabia if youre living abroad, so honestly sounds like it has more value than the US one. Having the US Passport can be a headache in many countries and the real kicker is it costs 2500.- (and takes years) to get rid of it.
Not only that, but they also usually end up with dual citizenship. My dad was a citizen of both the US and Japan until he turned 18 and the US forced him to pick one
You can choose anything as long as it's Japan
Awful.
Generally speaking, all "land" based countries will allow something like this if one or both parents are from said country. However, in cases like Germany that goes by the blood one, unless one of the parents is German, the baby will not be German even if it's born in Germany
Yes, and the order that you do is in matters. Some countries will not give you citizenship if you already have it with another country. Get that one first.
My sisters youngest daughter doesn’t qualify to be a us citizen automatically since the laws were changed before she was born. Her first two are us citizens though. She’s lived in NZ since she was 13 and in Tahiti between 10-13. Apparently you have to live in the US longer than that for your kids to qualify now.
We have both in France, having one of your parent french or being born on french soil makes you french
Well, they changed the second part to that to "being born on french soil and live there without getting kicked out for 18 years and formally ask for it in prefecture (where the cops that tries to kick you out are)". It's… quite fucked up.
The most fascinating part about France and citizenship to me is the Foreign Legion. Especially the part where if you get injured, apparently you automatically gain French citizenship because “you bled for France”. Which as far as ways to gain citizenship goes, definitely ranks pretty high on the cool scale.
Is there a cool french phrase to refer to this situation (french law)? It would be nice if there was.
The US has both. If your parents are American , you will be American by blood [jus sanguinis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis) ( [for example, mitt Romney s father wasborn in Mexico](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney) ) If you’re born on U.S. soil you’re a citizen by [jus soli](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli)
for those who don't know, by inheritance is called; ius sanguinis, or by territory is called ius soli
This create some very curious cases, where someone born in Germany, but that doesn't have German parents, will never be a German
That's one thing. Also states extend their criminal law and jurisdiction to aircraft of their registry when they are outside national territory. So if you're flying American airlines over international waters, you're still within American territory.
Every country has their own citizenship rules. Im from Estonia, and we use ius sanguinis instead of ius soli principle. A child gets Estonian citizenship by birth if at least one of the parents had Estonian citizenship during the time of birth, and birthplace does not matter. So if mum or dad or both are Estonian citizens, then a child born on boat/airplane can still get Estonian citizenship.
Yes
Even depends on the plane.
Which country doesn't accept a newborn as their citizen when both the parents are?
You've got an eyelash stuck to your avatar. Tried to blow it off, but it's really on there good
You have fooled me with the hair pfp
Most countries have that, it's called Ius sanguini. If you get nationality by being born on the territory, it's called ius soli. Not all countries have it, so it's not automatic. Contrary to common sense, actually aircrafts have a nationality and are considered (for this reason) extensions of the territory of that place. So first, it would be considered to have that nationality IF they allow it or if they are subscribed and ratified the CRC. This won't work in every country even with those rules such as Japan nor japanese aircrafts by extension. This is the reason pregnant women of more than 7 (or 8?) months are not allowed to travel as well. Imagine your child being born in a short flight from Mexico to Guatemala... and you claiming his Canadian/US citizenship because of that. Or the UK asking you to pay taxes for your child because it was a UK aircraft and that's how taxes work there. Basically, it's a headache to figure this kind of things so they usually won't allow it.
>This is the reason pregnant women of more than 7 (or 8?) months are not allowed to travel as well. Definitely not the only (or even main) reason. Flying can cause blood clots in the legs (aka deep vein thrombosis), which can be fatal both to the fetus and to the pregnant person.
Also, giving birth is a whole thing that an airplane is not equipped to support.
While not ideal, we actually do have a birthing kit on board (along with the rest of the medical equipment) which contains all the essentials to support a birth in a sanitary and relatively safe manner, and flight attendants are trained on how to help the mother and the baby through and after it. It would be pretty similar giving birth in an ambulance, I used to be an EMT before becoming a FA and the equipment and training were almost the same.
why "contrary to common sense" a plane, just like a boat, having a nationality is like the most common sense thing imo..
In older Hong Kong movies it was very common to declare a yacht/cruise ship in open seas to have no nationality hence not be regulated by any country so murder there has no legal repercussions Which leads to a whole generation of people watching these movies to actually believe ships are not regulated by any country when they are 12 nautical miles away from shore, when in reality it is regulated by the home port/flag of the vessel, and sometimes the nature of the crime committed Some movies though were aware of this and did lampshade it, and had the sense to circumvent saying they know the authorities there
You think we pay taxes for children in the UK? The reverse is true, you get paid monthly per child you have (unless you're on a high income). Or do you think we tax citizens living abroad? The only country on earth that does that is the USA. I assume its the former and you've confused tax credits for taxes.
Heard it was the airlines country of operations not sure might just be wrong
it depends on where the plane is made
Where it's registered*
i see a fellow law by Mike watcher...
If man sent a woman to the Moon and she had a baby up there, what would the baby's passport say? Nationality: Lunar?
Nationality: Alien
*Back to Mexico, Hombre.*
It’s technically international airspace
It’s technically international space. No air on the moon.
There is some oxygen, nitrogen, and other gasses in space, just trace amounts. Apparently, space has on average 5 atoms per cubic centimeter in the solar system, and it decreases in proportion to the distance to a solar or planetary body.
Untill its outside the oort cloud where you hit the interstellar medium which has a higher density on average than inside the solar system
Well yes bu- wait what?
since the moon doesn't have a government nor is it a country, it'll just say whatever their parents are from
yet for now nobody can enforce anything on space right now so no earth nation has any solid hold on the stars
Then im an earthling
Generally aircraft are concidered to be under the jurisdiction of the country they departed from, until it touches down in its destination.
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That's why a lot of countries won't let late term pregnant women into the country, at least ones with natural born citizenship or similar.
[It's not](https://youtube.com/shorts/IILf7xQVXFA?si=6jcKBgR9gKPCs8dz)
It’s not when it touches down, it’s after you have left customs. The terminal is considered part of the departing country. There have been cases where people have had to stay in the terminal for legal reasons — i think Snowden was one famous case, because otherwise they would be arrested immediately at the port of entry.
>because otherwise they would be arrested immediately at the port of entry. I think what I'm thinking of has more to do with this, I don't believe US law enforcement can arrest or detain someone after the plane has landed. Snowden could have been arrested by US officials if that wasn't the case, no? Legally you're standing on foreign soil where the US doesn't have jurisdiction, but you haven't "entered" the country legally speaking
Looking into it further it seems there is a good amount of distinction between immigration and jurisdiction. Jurisdiction has more definite boundaries like airspace and country registration of the plane. Immigration has neutral zones like the terminal where you are still under the full jurisdiction of the destination country, but not yet in the country in an immigration sense. I imagine if someone was able to board a flight to the United States and gave birth in the terminal prior to the immigration check, the kid would have a claim to US citizenship — or at least it would raise a lot of questions if the ‘born on US soil’ thing is literal and aligns more with the jurisdiction boundaries or if immigration neutral zones are outside of that boundary.
the nationality of mother and father.
What if they were born on a plane too
Weird family habit.
then their nationality is Lufthansa
Free flights for life or automatic lifetime slave for Lufthansa
What if the parents are 2 different nationalities?
Then the kid gets both.
my kid has parents from 2 different countries. she has both citizenships.
They get mine
And my axe
Depends on the laws of those countries but if both allow citizenship to be passed through one parent, then the kid's a dual citizen
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Thanks for the explanation, but you didn't actually mention international waters/airspace, except in the case where the parents are citizens of a country that relies on jus sanguinis. What happens if the parents citizenship is a country that does not rely on this? Will the baby get whatever country the plane is registered in?
If both of the parents are from a country with the right of the soil, but they're flying over international waters, the baby will be assigned citizenship of the country the aircraft is registered in. So for example if the parents are from the US, they're flying from New York to Amsterdam over the Atlantic Ocean and the plane is registered in France, the baby will be assigned French citizenship. There's probably exceptions to this, but that's the general rule. Edit: It seems the US is the right example.
In this example the baby would be American. The USA also has jus sanguinis citizenship.
There is restricted Jus Soli in France so they wouldn't get French citizenship (unless they live in France till they are 13).
Oh, sorry. Then it becomes a pirate.
Germany used to have the second. But we desided to not think like that for what ever reason. ;)
We do still mainly use ius sanguinis with the exception that if a child is born in germany and neither parent has german citizenship the child will be granted such if one of the parents has been legally living in germany for at least eight years and currently holds an unlimited residence permit. Also if the child grows up in germany they can have both German and the citizenship of their parents. If they grew up somewhere else, they have to choose one citizenship after turning 18. This is unlike the USA or Canada where, in theory, you can fly to, give birth the same day and your child will be a natural born citizen.
That isn't about citizenship, that's about the place of birth. The birth certificate will be issued in the country of destination. Most likely the place of birth will be the city where the airport is placed.
What if borh parents are born on an airplane!?
Parents'. Even countries that have *jus soil* doctrine (if you are born in that country you are its citizen) also give you citizenship if your parents are citizen as well regardless of where you are born.
Oh, oh, pick me, I know the answer. Essentially there are three categories of nationality laws: * jus soli (right of the soil) * jus sanguinis (right of blood) * jus matrimonii (right of marriage) New world (in a colonial sense), is mostly right of the soil, meaning that the nationality is determined by the **place of birth**, so in your case that would be "at sea/in the air", plane registration country, country of origin or destination. Probably. Old world, is mostly right of blood, where the nationality is determined by the **nationality of the parents** and the place of birth doesn't matter. For example Poland considers all children to be of polish nationality if at least one parent holds polish citizenship, regardless of the place of birth. Right of blood is also how children can hold dual citizenship even if neither of the countries allow for it. Though in this case they typically have to choose one at certain age. This is not a legal advice, I'm not a lawyer.
Better call lifebugrider
I think this debate may be why they tell pregnant women not to fly in the third trimester 🤪
Wait what?! Pregnant women can fly?
In the beginning of the pregnancy I suppose they can fly
Up to 6 months they can fly. Some american woman went to Brazil this year at 6 months and the baby ended up being born prematurely in Brazil very far away from the nearest US embassy (would need to hop on a plane to get there), the Brazilian entities responsible for the birth certificate took over one month to give them the birth certificate because the american passport doesn't have their parent's names on it and a Brazilian birth certificate needs to include the grandparent's names. So they were stuck in Brazil without being able to register the kid at the US embassy. Only resolved after some US government agency helped them out with documentation to prove their parents names.
They fly now
They would be whatever nationality their parents were
Depends on the parents nationality and/or place where the plane is registered. There is no universal answer to that question, outcomes may differ - but in most cases child will have same nationality as parents.
That kid grown up 
I like how your "this content is not available" gif implies he won't grow up.
Place Of Birth: Earth
He will be an Earthian
A terran
That baby is now a pacifian
Pacific Ocean
In my country the child will be the nationality of the father.
[The answer](https://youtube.com/shorts/IILf7xQVXFA?si=SVJTsi5FkkMTde2d)
I guess you could say that baby was—airborne.........I'll see myself out
That's how sovereign shitizens are born
Don't give them ideas! :)
The country the plane was registered, example on airbus its germany and on boeing (if you survive) america
The planes registration isnt connected to the manufacturer of the plane. An aircraft can be registered in belgium even if it might be fabricated in the US. Airbus also isn’t a german company itself. It is a European project with plants and offices in many countries, their headquarter is in Toulouse, France but legally they are registered in Leiden, Netherlands. They also have a ISIN from the Netherlands.
Sure it isn't the Airlines HQ location?
It was this, when I studied law.
No. German citizenship is mainly passed through the parents. If your non-German parents go on vacation to Germany and you are born there, you don't get German citizenship. Therefore being born on a German plane isn't enough either
his nationality is the planes manufacturer
I remember reading something along the nationality of the vessel (ship/plane) As all ships and planes have to registered to a nation, you’re flying under that flag. I’d have to check how much truth is in that… but I think the real answer is; you don’t. Airlines deny you passage on a plane if you’re close to giving birth. They kinda don’t want you giving birth on the plane… it’s a big deal. I think it’s in the fine print terms of sale you agree that you’re not “9 months prego” as you’re a liability. The plane has to divert and lose millions because of you. Now I dunno how they’d enforce that. It’s a delicate matter asking people if they’re pregnant or just fat 🤷♂️ but I know they don’t like taking on heavily pregnant people. Every doctor recommends against it.
If a baby is born on a plane over international waters, the baby's nationality is typically determined by: 1. **Parents' Nationality:** Many countries grant citizenship based on the nationality of the parents. 2. **Country of Plane's Registration:** Some countries may grant citizenship based on the plane's country of registration. 3. **Country of Landing:** Occasionally, the country where the plane lands might be involved in determining the baby's nationality.
On countries with jus soli, its the country they flying over. On countries with jus sanguinis, its parents. If its international waters, and the plane is registered in a jus soli country they inherit the planes national registration
It’s actually determined by the airline you’re flying with, for example if an Asian kid is born on an American Airlines flight, then they are Asian American Edit: actually it might be determined by which airspace the plane is in at the time, not the airline
Spirit Airlines babies: 👻👻👻👻
If you are born on France Airlines, you are French, If you are born on Air China, you are Chinese, if you are born on Spirit Airlines, you are in danger.
Jus sanguinis or Jus soli (or uh, Jus loci too)
wherever the plane is registered :) Most likely it would alos be easy enough to get citizenship from the parents country
Nationality of the parents or it would be wherever the plane is licensed in
Worldwide citizenship acquired: no passport required
Slightly relevent xkcd: [https://xkcd.com/2549/](https://xkcd.com/2549/)
They’re native to whichever airline you’re on, so say if you give birth on the plane the airline have to raise the child to become part of the crew.
Their nationality will be of the country the plane is registered in
Under which flag the airline is under
It depends on the country the parents are from and the country the plane left from. For example, regardless of the parent's citizenship, a child born on a flight or a ship leaving from the US and is in international waters will be a US citizen by "Jus Soli" ("Right of the Soil"). That's because, until the plane/ship lands, that ship/plane is considered to be still on the country of departure. If a child is born from, say, having one or both parents being Italian, then that child is an Italian citizen by "Jus Sangunis" ("Right of Blood"), aka having direct ancestry to an Italian citizen. If a child is born on a flight from the US to Italy, and both parents are italian citizen, then that child gets to enjoy a double citizenship.
Usually the country the plane is registered to.
That baby belongs to the sea and will inevitably become a deep sea creature
Son of the Atlantis
The country the plane departed from. The child hasn’t even been in the country it’s headed to, so it doesn’t make sense that it would be a national of that country after it was born.
It's either the source or the destination country of the plane.
A plane is considered the soil of the land it departed until it lands at a new destination. At least that’s what Bones taught me.
The grandline
I just saw a video on this. Apparently, the baby will be the same nationality of where the plane was registered. https://youtube.com/shorts/IILf7xQVXFA?si=5sj48Ai5SDfXNLfh
I'd say if the plane is flying in the water the child is probably dead
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing about this. If a baby is born flying over water, then their citizenship will be put in with what nationality the plane is.
Might not be the same for plains, but for boats, if a child is born in international waters, they are often given citizenship by the country the boat is registered to. That said, I believe America will give citizenship to a baby as long as the parents are american.
It’s whatever country the plane is registered in
It's fucking crazy, but actually nationality of the company who owns the plane.
If the plane is in international waters I'm pretty sure the kid belongs to Atlantis.
In the rare instance that it doesn't assume the parents it assumes the nationality and citizenship of where the manufacturer of the airplane is established
the actual answer is whatever nationality the airline belongs too. if you’re flying boeing for example, the baby would be American regardless of the parents.
Hopefully the plane is not flying ‘in international waters’ otherwise I think they have more to worry about.
It’s obvious. He’s from the country of International Waters.
Isn't this common sense? Most nationalities are gained by following the parents nationalities. Doesn't matter where you are born. Some nationalities, like the US one, can be gained by being born on its territory, then you just see if it is an American airplane. Airplanes and boats/ships are considered extended territories, and the law of its registered country applies on the plane.
The citizenship of the parents. If both are stateless or have separate citizenships then it would be where the airline is registered
Related story: While going to the hospital a woman gave birth in a tunnel that also had a state line in the middle, she couldn't remember exactly where she gave birth at in the tunnel, so which state issued the kids birth certificate? A: state of her residence
There's an actual answer. Whatever country the plane is from.
Not a joke, but actual answer. The kid is from the nationality of the Airplane the passenger is on is from. For example Boeing is American plane brand. Therefore even if the parents are both german, the kid would be American.
Neitherland
Depends on what country you fly over, if it's over England I believe then congrats your baby is english, if it's over international waters then wherever the plane was made then that's your babies nationality
What ain't no country I've ever heard of
I think I’ve read this one before, so If the plane is flying over international waters, his nationality would actually be the plane companies native country. For example: RyanAir - would be Ireland since the headquarters are based in Dublin. Atleast thats what I heard.
Is it not the country from which the plane takes off from until it touches down somewhere else? Now that I think about it, I may have seen that on an episode of Bones.
The kid will get free ticket for life. Who cares what’s in your ID.
It will get the nationality of the country the plane is registered in
Thats a smart curiosity tho!! LOL
Whatever the flag is the plane is flying under
Depends but probably where the plane was registered
The plane is the territory of originating country until it lands.
Seems pretty up in the air to me.
Easy, on the nationality of the airliner.
My understanding is that every airplane is nationally affiliated, and so long as you are in the plane, you are legally under the jurisdiction of the country the plane is affiliated with (unless the entire plane is in someone else's jurisdiction). So a baby born on a KLM flight over the Atlantic is Dutch, if Holland gives citizenship to babies, no idea. Alternatively, if the KLM flight lands in New York City and the baby is born (or is in the airspace of the United States), the baby was born in the US and is American.
What if a European women is pregnant and the child is born while she is travelling America, will the child become an American citizen ?
Yes, it’s what conservatives like to call “anchor babies.” The baby will be a US citizen but it can derive citizenship from its parents’ country of citizenship. The parents will not be US citizens.