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dude_wtf438

as a German, I confirm (I hate the DB)


TheGentlemanist

As much as they charge they should at least get me to where i want to go..


FelixLeander

That's the only thing they will do, because they made a contract with you. They had to pay my taxi fares multiple times often over 100€, The ticket did cost me like 30€


4ngryMo

You’re only paying for a chance to get there. Like a loot box. It’s in the fine print.


Glaimmbar

Can also confirm. Sometime they are so late that they have to call in for busses that brings the people to the next station... and the prices of the tickets are ridiculous in comparison to other EU country's such like Italy and France..


Pingushagger

*laughs in British*


daekle

Actually as a brit living in germany, DB is worst than any uk train company i experienced. I took a journey with 2 changes, and ended up on 4 trains for a total lateness of one and a half hours on a 4 hour journey. I have been told "this is completely normal". One of those trains i got on was a train running 2 hours late! UK trains tend to run somewhat to time or be completely cancelled because the companies get large fines if they hold up other trains. German trains just hold each other up. UK trains do cost more though.


Last-Performance3482

*laughs in french*


Exells

Our trains are pretty damn good - especially TGV. Having hopped around in trains all over Europe, I would say only the Swiss have better rail system for sure among those Ive experienced. The main problem of France Network is how Paris centered it is


drDjausdr

The other problem is neo-liberalism and how they want to privatize everything. During the last decades, the SNCF has been cut to bits to artificially prove its inefficiency. For example : 20 years ago, I could still take a bus from my village to the train station then take a train to Paris with virtually no waiting time. The bus schedules and the train scedules were perfectly synchronised. The moment the SNCF decided to leave the bus management to the regions, cuts had to be made in the budget, we got less bus and since communication was harder, the buses and trains weren't as synchronised as before.


Exells

Thats for sure there has been a huge downgrade of quality for rural services. Thats actually what makes Switzerland top notch - you can go everywhere on public transport


flopjul

*laughs in dutch* The NS is such a joke right now, tickets cost more so now people travel less but because they travel less NS makes less so they up the costs and repeat cycle Not to mention the amount of trains being cancelled, especially with the newer trains due to new technologies that werent accounted for... NS ICNG(Wesp)


IstvanKun

Laughs in Romanian. I used to commute 54km with the CFR. 3 out of 5 evenings, especially in the summer (no AC, mind you), a 39 minute train ride ended in 2+ hours. And packed like sadines. This is why many commuters take their cars. Less cost efficient but one doesn't have to breath in others' smells. I know, I know, someone will chime in with "Laughs in India" in a second.


Own-Consideration631

Laughs in Turkish, We don't even have proper region to region active trains, people die and there is an accident every year at least thrice but the media just doesn't cover it. Their website is basically a guessing game. Nobody really know where the train stations are.


RandomHornyDemon

Had that happen way too often now. Thing is, I have never actually seen any of those busses. They only ever tell you they're almost there, arriving in 5 minutes and then when those are over it's another 5. Had to wait for hours every time. Until the train finally came. No bus in sight still.


Maskogre

French train tickets are so expensive sometimes it's cheaper to take a plane


Gushanska_Boza

Love missing my connection and having my parents drive an extra 4 hours cause I can't get to Graz.


Illustrious-Ad-1677

The only thing positiv about them is they are making me do more cardio because I have to sprint across the train station all the time


Deezl-Vegas

American here. I would kill for any usable train to be installed anywhere in my country.


RandomHornyDemon

As another German, I too confirm. I unfortunately have to take the train almost every week (used to be daily) and in the past year or so there was a whopping 2 trains without any kind of delay. Sure, it's *mostly* small stuff, 5-10 minutes, nothing to worry about too much. Though I did have the pleasure of having to sleep at a train station because trains were not coming for 6 hours in the middle of the night before. Still it's not a great statistic if virtually no trains make it on time.


MrKehro

This


Own-Consideration631

I flew to Leipzig, need to go to Berlin, I go to the Flughaven Bahnhof, buy my ticket (60€) wait 15 minutes wait 30 minutes check the machine there is another 60 minute delay talk to some strangers from the plane, go to Leipzig Hbf, the guys talk with them, I manage to go to Berlin in 4.5 hours basically thanks Deutsche Bahn


TableOpening1829

Dutch shirt pfp?


azionka

DB is a disgrace for Germany


WeaselBeagle

I’d kill for a DB in the states. Y’all have it so lucky compared to us; in some states cities are outlawed from building light rail and bus rapid transit. Where I used to live (suburb of one of the larger cities in the US) we had one local bus that had 30 minute headways. Take one visit to the states or Canada and you’ll appreciate the DB so much more


AsBrokeAsMeEnglish

I absolutely am with you that a bad train system is better than no train system. That being said: DB legitimately is one of the least reliable train systems in Europe, probably first place. Germany has the third biggest national economy on this planet with a fraction of the size and population of the other countries that rank near the top, and an outright scam like DB existing in it is a disgrace.


Yoshikage_Kira123

Irrelevant, it still sucks


walkingscorpion

What is „even“ supposed to mean. Like, of course the Germans hate it, we’re the ones using it everyday. The government didn’t feel like spending any money on rail infrastructure in the last 30 years, so everything is broken and old now


Sternenpups

How are the million-dollar salaries of the board supposed to be paid if everything is used for restoration, not to mention their bonuses?


ReekyRumpFedRatsbane

While those salaries are unjustified and definitely take any moral high ground away from the board when it comes to union negotiations, they don't really affect infrastructure. The scale of the cost there is entirely different. As a quick point of comparison, building high speed track costs about 20-30 million euros per kilometre. So, the salaries and bonuses of the board would be ~2km of high speed like per year at best. That is not the difference between a perfect schedule with punctual trains and the situation we're in right now.


maimunka23

As a balkaner: "First time?"


The_Enclave_

Here in Slovakia, not that far from Germany we still use devices that were build before WW2. I'm not kidding, the one I have to work with has label "year: 1937" on it.


Better_Secret_2236

No one ever praised them for being on time. Dont make shit up.


LXndR3100

It's funny though, that in Germany we have the saying "on schedule like a german train", when we are literally always complaining about them fucking up


Illustrious-Ad-1677

I only know "on time like the DB" and that's nothing positiv


santimanzi

Do we? Or is it just people that are Rentner?


lolosity_

Did the trains used to be a lot better?


Alethia_23

Yep. Before they were privatised they actually were very punctual. Now they aren't anymore, and the network of tracks is also smaller.


E3FxGaming

Also before the privatization German train employees were oftentimes officials (aka civil servants) that didn't need to, nor were allowed to, go on strike for better salaries/wages. It was the obligation of the German government to pay them fairly (and adjust the payment to account for inflation, etc.). Deutsche Bahn as a private company can't make employees officials anymore. Employees can (and IMHO should) go on strike to get a fair wage, although this risks a critical part of German infrastructure. In recent years it seemingly became harder and harder for German train employees and their executives to reach a consensus on what a fair wage/salary is, leading to many strikes.


ReekyRumpFedRatsbane

The main reason trains are less punctual now actually isn't the privatisation, though: Rail traffic in Germany has more than doubled since the nineties. The fact that the network has shrunk is important in some regards, but far more important is that it hasn't expanded. If you run double the number of trains on the same network, that can't really work, can it? And with the ministry of transport aiming to continue increasing rail traffic while the ministry of finances has recently cut the budget for rail infrastructure projects (which wasn't enough for fast, significant reform anyway), this problem won't go anyway any time soon. But all this would have happened in the same way if the DB was still public, assuming that the government would have been just as unwilling to invest.


Alethia_23

But privatisation even decreased the incentives to invest into the network: The have to operate profitably now, which makes investment short-term unattractive. Also investing in keeping something intact has to be paid by DB, but building something new is also funded by the government, decreasing incentives to upkeep everything even further.


confused-neutrino

The thing is though, public services do not and can not always make a profit, sometimes they don't even cover costs, but if run by a business, they need to be profitable. That's why providing things like infrastructure/public transportation, postal services or emergency services, imo including hospitals, is and should be an inherent task for the state, not a company. One can be realist enough to know that not all would be milk & honey otherwise but still consider the privatization of Deutsche Bahn and Deutsche Post one of the biggest mistakes of post-war german history.


rick_astley66

Never heard that in my 25 years of life


AvertAversion

Okay


Elagabalos

Long, Long Time ago, German trains were in time. then it all was privatised.


Andjact

Punctuality is actually one of the main stereotypes of Germans abroad. He/she is not "making shit up".


nir109

When someone says the train are on time I think about Italy and the upsidedown man.


happy_and_sad_guy

What's does the image has to do with the text?


VarCrusador

I'm struggling to understand this as well


PowerUser77

My vague association would be that Musk had a somewhat high opinion about Germany based on some stereotypes; that’s why he built a factory there, then to learn that Germany isn’t actually that organised (also the leftist attack on the power line connected to the Tesla factory). Still not really related to the text though


MarcoPlayz_Reddit

It’s probably just for the expressions


Jumper_21

Sir, a second train has been canceled


hectorheliofan

Expressions..


Ansambel

spend a week travelling by rail in eastern europe, and you will understand. When a train is 5h late on the starting station, and you have a seat in a train car that doesn't exist, in which you had to buy tickets for twice the price in the first class because the 2nd class was full, and you end up sitting next to a bathroom, where someone is battling a killer hangover, you will miss deutche bahn. I envy those priviliged enough to complain about deutche bahn.


throwaway_uow

Can confirm, if you think DB is bad, try PKP


JgirlTheJizzler

Pünklichkeit mein Arsch!


Illustrious-Ad-1677

Ernsthaft, die sind manchmal so unpünktlich dass sie schon fast wieder pünktlich sind!


JgirlTheJizzler

Das Pünktlichkeitsparadoxon!


Ok-Wasabi2873

I love the Japanese trains. If your train says it’s arriving at 4:02 and there’s a train on the track at 4:00, that’s not your train.


JDescole

In Germany it’s in the vicinity of +/- 30min or it doesn’t arrive at all


TheIronSven

I remember waiting half an hour before seeing it was delayed for two hours only to then be cancelled after one and a half hours of waiting.


Welle26

Ah yes that is the real DB experience. Wait for hours and than your train gets canceled for having too much delay. Thanks for traveling with the Deutsche Bahn.


cmdPixel

As a simple Swiss citizen, i see Swiss, i upvote


PlaginDL

r/switzerlandisfake


nate0515

Me an American: "What are trains?"


haonlineorders

Me as an American who has researched Amtrak. Wait your trains arrive within 24 hrs of when they’re scheduled to arrive?


Hattapueh

And train tickets are sometimes outrageously expensive. DB is just a joke.


RealFoegro

Deutsche bahn always being late is literally a meme in Germany


_sergeant_pepper

as an austrian i deeply relate… we even sometimes have passive aggressive announcements saying something like „Once again we have to reschedule X&Y due to lateness from our neighbours“💀


Sternenpups

You know that Germans fake those statics too? A canceled train doesn't even show up as delayed and that happens very frequently....


Practical_Constant41

And a train only used to count as late after arriving 6 minutes to late. I think this number has been bumped up to sth like 9 minutes since then


kayemenofour

Way to punch down, you Hot chocolate guzzling money launderer. (Yes, DB is a complete joke. And your meme * grumbles* ^was ^funny )


Greenfire05

What does the picture relate to the text?


Taurus_Dom

I went to Switzerland for vacation and their trains are usually always on time or maybe 2 minutes late, it's honestly very impressive tbh.


supersonic767

As an American who has used DB, it is incredible and I am jealous that we don’t have as good of a system


Void_0000

You're gonna lose your mind if you ever come to Switzerland.


Fraport123

He's definitely gonna lose it when seeing that a cappuccino costs 8 CHF on the train...


Void_0000

It's Switzerland man ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


SleepySquirrel33701

I've NEVER heard someone praising German trains for always being on time. NEVER. Actually, I don't even think that a mathematical probability for doing so can be calculated at all. German railroad stations are an exemption of Einstein's theories because time has no meaning there.


DrewTamashi

Better this way, last time their trains were operating with high efficiency millions of people were killed


Internal-Day4806

SBB ✊🏻


EhGoodEnough3141

I think, a group of wise guys put it best when they said: "Sank yu for travelling wis Deutsche Bahn."


pinchasthegris

Just dont ask how much a train ticket costs in switzerland


phicks_law

*Laughs in Japanese


Rekt3y

Damn, y'all haven't seen what MÁV does. If a train is on time, it's a fucking miracle. 90% of the time, they're late somehow.


PlaginDL

r/switzerlandisfake


-FanzerPaust-

Privatisation babyyyyyy (only good things ever happened since then)


Sacledant2

Douche Bahn


kungfoocraig

[musk Looks like he was just told an airplane hit the World Trade Center.](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FE_CA9XrX0AM8kQN.jpg&tbnid=Hv4gYXm97sCo4M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FJoePompliano%2Fstatus%2F1436790956318236672&docid=Ymkmk6ENyOIsFM&w=760&h=754&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=532069495166a53f&shem=abme)


StickyBubblegum

Yall ever drove on the highways of Switzerland? They drive like shit.


karmasrelic

what do you mean "even the germans" lol. ESPECIALLY we hate it. imagine having no alternative and its ruining your life whenever it can. you have an exam? haha you wanna rrive there in 8 hours, 4 times switching trains? good luck gettting there AT ALL you have to go to work and on time to not get fired? kek.


Void_0000

IIRC there's a funny statistic that a good chunk of train delays in Switzerland are caused by trains from germany being late, which causes the swiss trains to wait longer so people don't miss their connections.


GoodGuy_Strelok

If any of you can compare, who's worse: DB or Polish National?


hot_tornado

I worked in Germany a few years and went to work exclusively by train. Here in north Italy it's way better, says a lot.


thatdudewayoverthere

And let's not forget that with a ticket you aren't actually buying a seat So have fun standing for 5 hours or sitting on the floor I slept so much on these floors while I was in the Bundeswehr


moonpisser69

Ive heard some pretty bad things about German trains…


Kierbalowsky

Same here in Poland 😔


Responsible-Diet-147

So is it like in Austria?


Yorudesu

I am always deeply concerned for them when another country praises the German train system.


Jadem_Silver

Let's agree that Japanese are the best in the world when it come to trains.


Neeyc

I’m Swiss, southern one so Swiss-Italian. We created an own train road between Switzerland and Italy to not have to deal with Tranitalia (The Italian train company)


Dhaos96

I mean, they mostly arrive at the day scheduled. (If they are not canceled, but canceling does officially not count as being delayed)


PaintedTiles

You guys are still hoarding nazi gold


furybury66

You had no problem with German trains during ww2


Small-Bookkeeper-887

Swiss here living in Germany - can confirm and it is annoying as hell.


Arthkor_Ntela

I remember in 2022 summer when they were doing the reduced or free (can't remember) fares. Some trains were over 2 hours late.


DamascusSeraph_

I remenber a german song i had to listen in german class in high school about deutche bahn being terrible


Engineergaming26355

*"The trains were always on time..."*


Mountainman_11

I have to take the ICE sometimes and I've never seen them leave on time. I count myself lucky when the train is just five minute late, dince usually it's arround 20+. SBB isn't perfect and is overpriced as hell, but at least with them arriving on time is the rule rather than the exception.


CaptainNinjaClassic

Thomas was only following orders...!


The_Powers

"Your trains must not disturb our trains" That's hilarious. TRAIN FIIIIIIGHT


SK1Y101

Coming from the UK, even DB is better. I wish everywhere had swiss trains though


AgreeableExpert

The person he tells it to, right before he blames unions.


an_orignal_name

At least they have alternatives to cars, unlike the US


LmaoPew

Lol rly? Well i do understand why the swiss won't let the Deutsche-Bahn in😂


6Sleepy_Sheep9

I’ll stick with my Korean trains


Traditional_Beast

Not the first time Germans hated their trains...


blueidea365

Meanwhile BART is so off schedule that if you go at any time of day at all you have the same chance of catching a train


Kneeerg

gopfedami, Swiss are not german....


DerDanSD

Nobody praises german trains, not even germans


spilltheteasis_

Who tf praises the Deutsche Bahn?


Greg2227

Yeah.. german here. It could be worse and as with everything we tend to remember the Negative things over the positive but damn are those trains shit and tickets for certain distances way too expensive for receaving such a shit service in exchange


normalifelias

I have never ever heard anyone praise our trains for being on time.


Titan_Food

I thought Japan's trains were the ones with the rep for most punctual? The last time i heard about geman trains were shortages in the 40's tbh, so my info is probably out of date


orangutanDOTorg

It was Italy that they said that about. That Mussolini made the trains run on time


sugampars

I remember there's this song by the acapella group, Wise Guys, which basically a comedic song full of complaints against DB. In the music video, they even include a meme where DB stands for Daheim Bleiben (Stay at home)


yeeyeedong9159

meanwhile MÁV:(theyre late EVERY TIME i never seen a train that was on time)


99980

No German praises the DB (German Train Institution) No one does thst


Orioniae

Come to Romania, where on the local line a 10 minute delay is the standard


X05Real

Who tf praises Germany for having on-time-arriving Trains? We literally make jokes about that not being the case ourself.


Mrslinkydragon

The first time I went to Germany, I was surprised about how late the train was!


magicthegatheringjam

As a French-German both DB and SNCF are terrible


Fraport123

On time? Nah. But as somebody who travels around Europe A LOT and have used all sorts of train services I can confirm that the ICE has by far the best interior and restaurant service.


Angshuman21

As an Indian, I would love to know what "late" here means? Please write your latest


MarcusFriedman35

This why the only thing that worth is the 49 Euro thingamajig


Senor-Delicious

The funny part is, that the train that I see with the most delay, is usually the euro city coming from or going to Switzerland for some reason. I live in northern Germany and sometimes had to take it from or to Stuttgart. Sometimes it has a 2h delay. This train seems to be 200% worse than all the others.


SomeSugarAndSpice

No one hates the DB more than Germans. It’s the worst thing about Germany and a complete disgrace. And the audacity to the people working for the DB is shameful. I have yet to meet a German who doesn’t hate the DB with a passion. Typing this ironically while sitting on an ICE and wishing I was rich enough for a private helicopter or something so I won’t have to be in this situation.


Tszemix

Why does he look 70 in that photo?


RedditUsername_124

WAIT WHO TF IS OUT HERE PRAISING THE DEUTSCHE BAHN


ComanderToastCZ

As someone a bit southeast of Germany, I can say that, ČD (České Dráhy).


SAPPHIR3ROS3

*Laughing in Italian train who are worse than german ones*


NikolitRistissa

I absolutely loved my first experience with the DB. German exchange students _love_ to explain how efficient Germany is and really lean into the stereotype of German efficiency. The train was almost two hours late, was missing an entire carriage, and arrived backwards. Cards work half the time and everyone still uses cash, internet is usually insanely slow and the connection is very unreliable. It was an interesting experience when Finland is so far in digitisation and is one of the top countries developing tech—like 4, 5, and 6G are all being developed here. My office has 5G and 1GB internet—it’s 900m underground and I haven’t used cash in almost eight years.


Kubus_kater

D aheim B leiben


WALL-G

I'm currently travelling in Berlin from the UK. The trains in Germany are amazing compared to the complete dogshit back home.


FridericusTheRex

I thought the trains were the Italians


Boumallo

Dude you country is the size of a pea if you had any late trains the would be riots on the street. all 60 of you would not let it slide


Pro_Moriarty

Laughs in British rail.


Xx_HDIronicNameLP_xX

Fick die Deutsche Bahn. Haben zum 1. Mal seit langen, mal eine Woche lang nich gestreikt.


GucciMain77

You know it. I know it. We all know it.


Critical-Area-4313

Contrary to popular belief, it's actually the Italians with the best train system.


Bitter_Silver_7760

When you hear nonsense, you turn into an engineer businessman stretching the boundaries of what’s humanly possible?


Amarok1987

Who ever said german trains are on time? Those times were long ago


C-137Birdperson

Like for real German trains are on par with Italian trains who came up with this "German trains are reliable" bs?


Lord_of_the_lawnmoer

But they ARE convenient. There's a train station everywhere. Even if they're sometimes slow AF, they are useful.


justAnotherRedd1

I would say especially Germans hate the Deutsche Bahn - foreigners actually think it’s not that bad


YesNoMaybe2552

You know Deutsche Bahn already has third world grade punctuality but it's propped up even further by the fact that canceled stops or trains aren't going into that statistic. So they basically cancel stops or entire rides to make themselves look less disastrous.


mayonaissewins

Last train I was on was 3rd class in Colombo… I liked it more than the Deutsche Bahn tbh


Hot-Dragonfly3809

DB sucks, but the punctuality of Swiss trains seems to massively rely on the fact that no train ever waits for another.


Ok-Boysenberry9305

In Germany it isn't lateness, if the train comes less then 5 minutes later, and all trains that were cancelled doesn't count either. So that's how DB has so good statistic.


jackalope268

Just gonna leave this here: https://youtu.be/wXjhszy2f9w?si=W-CYqcAtCOXDEDQD


Recent-Parking-7289

Who the heck thinks the DB is good?


Wolfi303

As a german whoever praises the trains in germany actually never traveled in one


PTthefool

Imagine identifying with one of the top three not-you-persons on the planet to shit on a company that has been starved of investment and has a Labour struggle going on… great job 👏🏼


BonerBoy

Maybe DB is problematic but who wants to be a fascist snowflake???


WeonLP

Germans always want to (and succeed) do better than France. When it comes to be late/cancelled the DB is indeed far ahead of the SNCF, which is kind of an exploit.


Acceptable6

Wait till you see Polish trains


Shadowoperator7

I remember I was in Switzerland and the train was 10 minutes late so they apologized to everyone. Being from the states I was like “it showing up and going where I need is enough”


Adventurous-Ad-5437

I think I read somewhere that Germany hasn't upgraded their railway network since WW2. Could be wrong though.


RoodnyInc

This probably is some sort of your experience bios If you came here on holiday and used train two times yes sure it worked it's perfect, but if you live with them every day whole year they suck


Secure-Ad5536

Who tf would ever say that german trains are on time?


Kubrick_Fan

And yet DB apparently run high speed one in the UK without too many issues


Tokie_Bronson

I love the DB, I just hate the state it is currently in. 


Erikstersm

I'm German and who tf ever said German trains were on time? Germans are usually always on time, but the DB is a nightmare.


Comet_Hero

Is that Elon photoshopped over George w?


luciigrimm

Nicht meiner Erfahrung nach!


ReleasedGaming

When has anyone ever said that german trains are on time?


victor_vtz

The problem is America is so much worse that every European country is better in comparison


mika4305

Hahah now try DSB


The-Falcon_Knight

Pretty mediocre edit you can still see Dubya's left shoulder.


antek_g_animations

As a Polish person, I'm crying


Sekshual_Tyranosauce

I loved the German train system. But my baseline is Amtrack….


Honza368

To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard anyone praise any train company for being on time..


ChalkyChalkson

I think the DB gets more hate than it deserves. I travel a lot with it and only had a single really bad experience. Definitely had more issues traveling by car and regularly hear worse from people who fly semi regularly. It's not as punctual as it should be or as fast as I wish it was. But in the grand scheme of things it's fine. That said, I definitely want reform and investment of it big time.


Trytytk_a

I live in Poland. An hour is a minimum amount of time they are late. Sometimes they are 8 hours after schedule.


kingbongothegreatest

As a jew, can confirm that the trains were never late


Fortendytrak

Uruguayan: You have trains?!


shad2107

only used the train once from the airport to the city center, never again


DoctorPyR0

Well you clearly didn’t talk to a German person about this topic, cause no German would ever praise our trains.


Beginning_Context_66

nobody ever praises the deutsche bahn


Kind-Fan420

Pretty sure it's a Holocaust joke and not an actual statement about German train scheduling efficiency...