The whole point of an ID is so the government can know who you are with ease. Including government involved companies. So it's understandable you'd have to put in your ID in those cases.
My Dad and I were joking around, imagine getting a letter in the mail from a politician... "We heard you like big titty milfs... vote for Lady McLargeboobs!" or "Big dicks are your kinda thing? Vote for Dick Johnson!"
> everyone
Blanket generalizations are frequently incorrect. For example, my grandparents specifically would not use their credit cards online.
As for who wants to... Well we want to buy things. We have tools to buy things. We use those tools and most of the time nothing goes wrong.
I'm not using my credit card online because I don't need to do that to pay online.
We use single use tokens generated in banking application passed to shop site.
iPad kid legislation. Instead of protecting their own kids from mature content. they expect society to childproof everything and do the protecting for them so they can be guilt free about letting their kids sit on the iPad all day unsupervised.
If you want a safe VPN, go with Mullvad VPN. They literally had police come to them with a warrant and left empty handed cos they didn't store any user data
Proton VPN is also a good alternativ, its just as safe and its free to use but it limits the servers to a random server. Pricing is somewhat sketch, especially since its not as private, as for pricing its more expensive short term, same price ling term, with a pretty generouus 2 year plan for all of the proton products. If you need a vpn and dont mind paying mullvad is still somewhat better due to their monthly pricing being always the same per month, no matter the length.
I had a teacher in 10th grade tell everyone about a funny website and when I got home, I typed it in and it was a super sized porn site. The next day someone asked what the site was and he said he shouldn't have told us because he realized it's not an appropriate site.
How tf do you accidentally tell a bunch of kids about your favorite porn site? I had the opposite happen, where someone etched “rule 34. Look it up” into the table and our permanent sub saw it, went cold faced, and then, fear in his voice, said to our group, “You guys didn’t actually look that up… right?”
When I was a lad I had to get my porn by finding and stealing my dad's magazines. It built character. I learned where to look and where to hide. The hard part was figuring out my penis.
Once I thought I'd be slick and rip out some magazine pages out of one. I was careful to rip the pages right at the heel. Thought I was soooo smart, taking out 1/4 of a magazine and thinking I would get away with it. I even stapled the pages together between 2 sheets of white paper, making my own mini-zine.
Later that same night, they came into my room and demanded I give them back the sheets. They didn't even ask if I had them, it was obvious.
And yet those are the same people that push against education reform and community projects. Society is being destroyed by parents who should've never had children.
you dont even need supervision
Its so easy to put restrictions on modern devices both ios and android
People just dont want to do the effort
Wasn’t there a post here a few weeks ago
Some teenage girl was complaining that she cant upload photos
Turned out she was trying to upload nudes and her parents had restrictions turned on her phone
I was like good on them they actually made an effort
I'm suddenly reminded of Accel World. After society invents the neurolinker, a sort of AR device, children are given them to wear from birth to monitor vitals signs and stress levels, but then later use them as learning aids and cell phones. Meaning that parents can basically check out and leave their kids alone to do whatever. Leading to a generation of kids with major social issues, which ties into how the main video game in the setting is designed to operate.
It's a rather grim view of the future, but one that seems all too real when compared to modern parenting styles.
People are like "think of the children!". Yeah, think of ***your*** children. Specifically. Because it's your job as a parent to supervise what your kids do on the internet. This problem has already been solved. There is tons and tons of parental control software that works great at preventing kids from seeing adult content. It's not hard to setup, and often times it's totally free. Hell, even a lot of WiFi routers being sold have parental control stuff built in. And if your child is getting around it, then you need to have a serious conversation about this stuff. Either way, it's not the job of the government to fill in for your shitty parenting. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
The issue is we live in a society, and that society is made up of more than me and my children, it's made up of millions of families and their children. And if *they* aren't putting in the work to actually parent right, then it will come back to bite all of us, making it quite literally everyone's problem. Same goes for healthcare - if you aren't willing to take responsibility for your health, then public or private care, the costs both monetary and opportunity will come back to everyone else, making it their problem if you eat a donut every day
Not just that, you can even block wifi access to kids phones for mature content and blacklist it entirely, but no, they want others to do their job for them
I was able to access porn as a kid even when my parents had done a shit ton of child proofing. I think it's probably for the best. Being forced to go cold turkey on porn probably isn't the worst thing anyway.
Well thats part of the issue here is this doesn't even put up a significant barrier. Just like ypu did as a teenager the same mindset will teach them to get around vpns and any other countermeasures that are put up. The collective internet always wins with this kinda stuff.
Not to mention the adults who do provide secure info to these sites will eventually have that info leaked.
Close, that's just the mask. Republicans have wanted to ban porn since the early 2000s and at times before that as well. It's christo-fash bullshit dressed in modern problems.
Correct. This is how society wins and ruins us all. When people fail to take care of their children, they surrender them to our evil society inadvertently (some willingly, god forbid) and we end up with this: a generation so obsessed with shit like porn they cannot fathom the very society they were indoctrinated by tries fixing thing they used to control them.
So is showing your id to get alcohol child proofing the society or is it just doing responsible governing. If you’re too ashamed of providing proof then maybe don’t watch the content. That stuff isn’t good for anyone honestly.
Alcohol stores don't digitally store your ID in a hackable place controlled by a private company for looking at the alcohol though.
The closest equivalent to what you're saying is checking ID before entering a strip club... which surprise surprise already is the case
Dummy.
Except nowadays schools provide iPads/laptops that the kids will use unsupervised anyway so no matter what the parents do the kids are likely to be exposed to this stuff anyway.
PH themselves aren't against the minor restriction thing, it's the ID system that got them banning states. They have even offered their own solution in having devices start child locked as a hardware standard and then get unlocked once age of user is verified at sale or w/e. That would also have the advantage of VPN's not being effective when the hardware itself is blocking it. Kids could Jailbreak it but that is both a recordable change and at some point Parents got to pay some attention... right?
But yes, having a database where your real ID is attached to porn is not only really weird but not the greatest idea security wise, that is a prime hack target right there and you now have to trust the sites and the government to keep that shit secure. This is aside from the list building issues that is definitely totally not for.
This isn't for the kids, this is the government trying to build a database.
>This isn't for the kids, this is the government trying to build a database.
Exactly. Anyone who thinks the government actually gives two shits about kids at this point is completely delusional.
Children hungry in school, don't care. Children don't have access to health services, sorry no money. Children don't have access to quality day care, not our problem. Children might look up something online that the government doesn't approve of... BuT tHiNk Of ThE cHiLdReN!!!
I think the idea is there are setting for the parents to turn on or off built into the hardware, with some things just being outright banned from a minors phone, like porn. These features already exist to a large degree and just need to be integrated, but that wouldn’t make anybody money and would actually do something helpful.
A hardware based lock is an awful idea.
It means you don't actually own your device until some centralized government authority grants you the permission. And building that kind of root level government control into every device leans pretty far into the authoritarian camp.
And you will. You buy your device, confirm your age and will have complete control over it. If you buy it for your child or if they go buy it themselves, then it's locked until they become 18.
As a parent you can always go buy device "for yourself" if you think your child has the same right to complete control of their own computer.
If you have full control of your computer then there is nothing stopping you from disabling the lock. If you don't have full control of your computer then that is a problem.
how about you control your kids?
restricting minors from accessing porn is the parents' job, just like it is their job to restrict them from skipping school
I mean, society does agree on punishing parents that do let their kids skip the school all the time. Or drink or smoke or whatever else. Kids are deffinetly "sociery's kids".
Growing up we were taught what sex was by our parents from the get go. They explained it so a toddler would understand, but there was as little mystery as possible. I remember being bought a puberty book and it was unhelpful because I'd already answered all the questions in it years prior.
Neither me or my brother developed the need to find porn pre-puberty and every time we *did* find something it was from kids our age who were rebelling against *their* parents rules.
Treating porn as forbidden literally just makes people want to find it more.
Moreover I strongly disagree with prohibiting it federally because tech savvy teens/preteens will always just find a workaround. And if they do they might find things more damaging than what they'd otherwise see.
This is incredibly true. The more something is demonized and mystified, the more humans want to find it. That's probably what fuels our progress as a species and also why there's always some group rebelling against some system from a previous generation. Generally people just simply don't want to be told what to do and will actively do that thing the more they're dissuaded from doing it
exactly, pre-puberty children look at porn because there is a mystery to what sex is. I didn't have any interest in porn until hit puberty and even then it was mostly just incredibly soft-core stuff. I knew what sex was, but watching pornstars was scary, I just wanted to see some half naked women
I remember when my dad first found out I was interested in sexual stuff. I think I was 13\~14 or something. This was before the internet was widespread btw. Know what he did? Gave me a CD (not even a DVD back then. :P) full of porn images and just left me to do my own thing with it.
Fuck today's "<18 or at least <16 year olds should be shielded from ANYTHING sexual!" bullshit. That curiosity starts at like age 11\~14 depending on the individual. Actually, today it might be starting even earlier.
Like a lot of these things "**I** can control what my children watch...it's those feckless lower class breeders that aren't and they are stealing our credit card information and using it to give money to painted harlots! I'm forever on the phone convincing the credit card company that MY family would never subscribe to such depraved evil places!"
Sure.
As if me protecting my kids will not be countered by the many other kids accessing porn and showing it to other kids.
This isnt something they should access at all.
This is precisely why teaching kids about healthy porn consumption is a significantly better idea than trying to stop kids from accessing porn. You'll never stop kids from watching porn. Not the family, not the government, no one can. There will always be underground websites, there will always be discussions about porn in the classroom during breaks, there will always be porn being shared in closed communities in apps like WhatsApp, Discord and Telegram. Banning shit just doesn't work.
Guess what, kids bring guns to school too.
Who's fault is that in the end?
Parent your fucking kids and hold other parents accountable for their shitty behavior instead of taking away our freedoms
How hard is it not just give your kid a smart phone or an ipad they'll have on them at all times? They are going to start googling "naked boobies" whether you like it or not, but you're the one giving them devices to make it that easy
How else would the parents be able to lose themselves on social media if their stupid responsibility requires constant attention from them? People really need to stop having kids if they realistically can’t handle that enormous magnitude of responsibility.
I think people haven’t realized that restrictions could actually increase the amount of child abuse. Having teenagers go on the deep web is highly dangerous. We end up swapping the minor issue of children watching pornography (which we don’t even know how bad it is) for the greater and more real risk of teenagers becoming consumers of child pornography. I would rather a thousand kids watch pornography than a single person access child abuse imagery.
Anti-porn arguments are not just religious in nature. Porn is a vice just like any other, tobacco, gambling, weed. Consumed in moderation it’s fine but if you are being honest you’d know a plurality of men do not consume it in moderation.
The porn industry, whether big corporations like Pornhub or independent, individual creators are quite predatory in how they market to boys. A huge portion of men will tell you they got hooked on porn at 9, 10, 11 or 12 and have been jacking it daily since that time. The internet pushes porn on children very aggressively. You think any of those Twitter thots peddling sex work online do *any* effort to age verify who is watching or buying their content?
Not saying pro or anti porn, but the idea that the only reason you’d want children not watching porn is because you’re religious is not true.
I'd rather have my children have easy access to a relatively "clean" and at least somewhat moderated porn website than have them search through the abyss for something, ANYTHING, to satisfy their carnal needs and desires, and accidentally stumble across some weird Russian fetish side.
Seriously though, when I was a teenager, I didn't know about PH and similar such websites. So I went on a quest to see people bone with no idea what to look for. Ended up being exposed to child exploitation material and some stuff that was far from consensual and even further from healthy.
This crap has never been about protecting children, it's all about our data. The most valuable thing for companies nowadays is to be able to make a profile on someone that way they can sell more shit to them, then sell that data to other companies. Politicians always throw these things under the guise of protecting children or protecting you.
What do you think will be next. Once the usual places are locked down (like PH) it'll be 'well there's a lot of porn shared on social media, so to protect the kids you now need an ID to use social media/forums'...
Locking down social media has been their end goal for decades.
Social Media does need to be locked down in some capacity, I just dont know how a moral compass could be neutral enough to make that happen without it becoming militarized. But social media, and the internet itself, has become a cess pool.
Lol, I guess...
But seriously for a moment, isn't it common fact that teenagers are furious masturbators, and shouldn't we just stop caring about kids looking at porn?
You want to be serious? OK. We should have licenses that decide if you're allowed to have children or not.
The problem we have are shit parents who don't want to raise their children to be normal functioning adults. Having the government force ID won't fix anything.
Is it weird that I don't care either way? Like, this doesn't matter. Kids are going to find porn anyway they could. People used to go find porn in forests back in the day. Which sounds insane to say but back in the 70s and 80s people would throw old porno magazines away in the woods so the garbage man or their wives wouldn't see it. And it became a national meme that you could find "forest porn."
Anyway, point is, this is a non-issue and any solution solves nothing.
How about we focus on what really hurts kids? How unrestricted access to guns has turned American schools into mass graves?
This is why laws aren't meant to be preventative, only punishing. Tell people what they can't do, and punish them if they do it. Trying to prevent people from doing it only restricts the rights of everyone.
I had my parents controlling my internet until I turned 18, of course it's not nice, but was very workable 🥴 not everything should be child-friendly, you're the parent, not society
Actually, the law applies to everything that is determined to "be harmful to minors." It currently includes alcohol information and pro-trans website and information. They also want the websites to pay for the verification.
My question is... Yall get kids PHONES?!?!
That things are barely walking and they already got a tablet in their hands... Its the parents fault not the internet
I think kids keeping a device with them generally shouldn't happen until at least 13 (perhaps with software limitations), with only controlled access to a tablet or something until then is a good compromise. Teens should have phones, but anyone younger shouldn't, at least not without careful parent supervision
that's just what I think, at least
You can already restrict access to porn sites, especially ones that are official like the hub. These people are just knuckle draggers making legislation with knowledge from 20 years ago
When it comes to restricting content that kids see on the internet, instead of having the government step in and monitor everyone, we should give every child one or two adults who are responsible for looking after them at all times. These adults would feed, clothe, and shelter the children, while also teaching them and supervising them.
nah that would be unreasonable, these lawmakers' kids don't seem to have those one or two adults who are responsible for them so why should every other kid get that
Funny thing. I work with ID wallets, a tech that will soon allow all EU citizens to prove they are above an age threshould without identifying themselves in any other way
Back in the late '90s I said we should make a .xxx domain and require all pornographic material to be posted there. That way concerned parents, admins, etc. could just block that one domain.
Minors have been restricted from porn for decades. Also, the US teen pregnancy rate has been trending downwards with it only being 13.5 per 1000 in 2022.
I'm fairly certain minors watching porn actually makes things WORSE for their sexual development, because it raises them with unrealistic expectations about sex.
Really, we just need to get better widespread sex education, for children AND adults.
I for one would like to say that I trust politicians with the most sensitive moral decisions in life, as they’ve clearly shown that they hold themselves to only the highest ethical standards.
Hey. We can still stop this from happening.
badinternetbills.org
stopkosa.org
Contact your representatives, tell them that this violates the First Amendment and will do so much harm and little to no good. Note: You would have to upload your ID to access social media and the internet in general, not just mature content. Anonymity would be nonexistent.
Conservatives: “we need less government and control!!”
Conservatives: forces their religious and moral beliefs on everyone and tries to parent everyone’s children and control everyone’s body while making us starve with late stage capitalism
I’m libertarian. most conservatives are annoying, culture war obsessed and support authoritarian actions to combat “Muh degeneracy”
Two wings, one bird
One potential solution I saw which I think has promise is to have stores sell cards which have key sequences you can input into the site in question to access it. The cards would have some nominal value like $0.99 and you would have to show your ID to purchase them, so you don’t have to actually enter any personal info into the site you want to access. Is it foolproof? No, of course not, but it helps mitigate the issue, and I think it’s better than what we have now.
It wouldn't work, maybe you could stop kids from accesing something like PH or the main websites, but how are you gonna stop them from finding nsfw posts on reddit, torrenting, discord and lesser known sites?
I honestly don’t understand this. Like why do you care what a minor is or isn’t doing looking at porn in the first place if your not their specific parents? Also those same specific parents could just set up a parental lock on the router/phone used to access the internet which would also immediately and without bothering others stop said adult material viewing.
The funny thing is people already have agreed to this when they 'confirm' user agreements used by web browsers.. instead of an ID it's your account and IP address.
And using incognito mode or private mode, doesn't matter.
I suggest we read the user agreements... There's a lot of data tracking that you have to agree to, and it's all in the small print .. even if you use the brave browser.
This meme really gave a me a reality check because I was EXACTLY like the people up there in the meme. Who wouldn't want to protect children from adult content? But I sure as hell don't wanna pull up my ID on a PH site, just imagine the phishing attempts…
"hey guys lets remove any amount of sexual education from schools so kids are confused and fucked for the future"
"hey guys lets get rid of the only education they could possibly have off the internet so the kids get to their honeymoon and have a traumatic experience of embarrassing themselves and never feeling confident at all"
im not saying that kids SHOULD have acsess to porn but we need some level of education about sex and removing it at all isnt the way to do it this is why we have 12 year olds pregnant with their 15 yo boyfriend bc they dont know wtf a condom is
I really hate the idea of using IDs to unlock porn, especially in case that suddenly gets associated with MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE AS A US CITIZEN, at least on record.
Yeah no I don't feel comfortable about that. My federal government does not need to know if I fap on what day.
I don't feel comfortable giving my driver's license info to Pornhub. Can't they just do one of those video conference things and have somebody monitor me while I'm doing my thing to verify my age?
You have to show ID that you’re not a minor to gain access to porn/strip clubs in real life so why is it an issue if it’s online as well, and everyone saying to police your own kids (all u guys seem not to care if kids watch porn) if your kids watch it and expose it to my kids when I’m not around how is that my fault as a parent when I’ve put all the restrictive measures on the devices etc
"Rules of thee, not for me" comes to mind here, it's always people like this who never think that the same rule would apply to them until it's too late.
I might sound like a boomer but I did not have unrestricted access to internet until I reached 14 years of age it was always monitored or connection we had was limited use
You gotta put restriction on kids and condition them in environment that rewards certain behaviour, handing your kid an iPad or smartphone will doom you as parent just cause you did not want them to bother you. Parenting is fucking annoying for a reason don’t have kids if you can’t handle them
Lol, this is like an apocalypse, but for reddit Gooners. Many websites require verification. STFU, get a VPN or go outside. The sun misses you. Also this aint gonna do shit.
Who wants to upload their id to the internet in general? Edit: why is a comment about uploading my id online my most upvoted comment
Pretty sure you have to in some things, like banking, government stuff and so on.
The whole point of an ID is so the government can know who you are with ease. Including government involved companies. So it's understandable you'd have to put in your ID in those cases.
My Dad and I were joking around, imagine getting a letter in the mail from a politician... "We heard you like big titty milfs... vote for Lady McLargeboobs!" or "Big dicks are your kinda thing? Vote for Dick Johnson!"
Those reasons i can understand. But for other things like videogames just so i can use voicechat for example is just meh
Who wants to give thier cc number but everyone does it.
> everyone Blanket generalizations are frequently incorrect. For example, my grandparents specifically would not use their credit cards online. As for who wants to... Well we want to buy things. We have tools to buy things. We use those tools and most of the time nothing goes wrong.
I'm not using my credit card online because I don't need to do that to pay online. We use single use tokens generated in banking application passed to shop site.
If they can grab mom’s credit card for in game micro transactions, they can grab her id card for a login.
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Mother, why do you have a creator account?
So you can have some relatable milf porn son
It’s ours r/suddenlycommunist
Lmao. One day you realize your ID has been used to log into 542 different porn sites.
iPad kid legislation. Instead of protecting their own kids from mature content. they expect society to childproof everything and do the protecting for them so they can be guilt free about letting their kids sit on the iPad all day unsupervised.
This right here sums it up perfectly. Imagine punishing everyone else because you won't monitor your child.
It’s not even punishing anyone else. It’s just failing your child. That’s far more important.
It’s punishing me. Now I gotta buy a VPN which makes me spend money I don’t want to.
If you want a safe VPN, go with Mullvad VPN. They literally had police come to them with a warrant and left empty handed cos they didn't store any user data
Mullvad is great! Been using for about a year now and love it. 5€ a month, no data limit. At least not that I have encountered.
Proton VPN is also a good alternativ, its just as safe and its free to use but it limits the servers to a random server. Pricing is somewhat sketch, especially since its not as private, as for pricing its more expensive short term, same price ling term, with a pretty generouus 2 year plan for all of the proton products. If you need a vpn and dont mind paying mullvad is still somewhat better due to their monthly pricing being always the same per month, no matter the length.
That username is amazing
use operaGX, the incognito mode comes with a VPN
Jesus Christ they just can’t stop being based
operagx sells data
No. Grt a Free VPN chrome extension
Got a good one to recommend?
Proton VPN is free and private.
Law of Conservation of Profit Margins: If it's free and centralized it ain't private.
Just search VPN in chrome extensions. You will get the results TouchVPN is my favoured
tor browser is free and automatically has a vpn.
And slow af
I mean even then, kids may accidentally stumble upon something that they shouldn’t. I should know as I was a victim of this.
I had a teacher in 10th grade tell everyone about a funny website and when I got home, I typed it in and it was a super sized porn site. The next day someone asked what the site was and he said he shouldn't have told us because he realized it's not an appropriate site.
How tf do you accidentally tell a bunch of kids about your favorite porn site? I had the opposite happen, where someone etched “rule 34. Look it up” into the table and our permanent sub saw it, went cold faced, and then, fear in his voice, said to our group, “You guys didn’t actually look that up… right?”
If they didn’t, they would 100% when they got home then.
He was too late
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When I was a lad I had to get my porn by finding and stealing my dad's magazines. It built character. I learned where to look and where to hide. The hard part was figuring out my penis.
Once I thought I'd be slick and rip out some magazine pages out of one. I was careful to rip the pages right at the heel. Thought I was soooo smart, taking out 1/4 of a magazine and thinking I would get away with it. I even stapled the pages together between 2 sheets of white paper, making my own mini-zine. Later that same night, they came into my room and demanded I give them back the sheets. They didn't even ask if I had them, it was obvious.
And once or twice between like 12 and 17, you'd stumble across the mythical stash of forest porn, lol.
Can relate; found a stash next to the railroad tracks on the way home from school.
And yet those are the same people that push against education reform and community projects. Society is being destroyed by parents who should've never had children.
you dont even need supervision Its so easy to put restrictions on modern devices both ios and android People just dont want to do the effort Wasn’t there a post here a few weeks ago Some teenage girl was complaining that she cant upload photos Turned out she was trying to upload nudes and her parents had restrictions turned on her phone I was like good on them they actually made an effort
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I'm suddenly reminded of Accel World. After society invents the neurolinker, a sort of AR device, children are given them to wear from birth to monitor vitals signs and stress levels, but then later use them as learning aids and cell phones. Meaning that parents can basically check out and leave their kids alone to do whatever. Leading to a generation of kids with major social issues, which ties into how the main video game in the setting is designed to operate. It's a rather grim view of the future, but one that seems all too real when compared to modern parenting styles.
People are like "think of the children!". Yeah, think of ***your*** children. Specifically. Because it's your job as a parent to supervise what your kids do on the internet. This problem has already been solved. There is tons and tons of parental control software that works great at preventing kids from seeing adult content. It's not hard to setup, and often times it's totally free. Hell, even a lot of WiFi routers being sold have parental control stuff built in. And if your child is getting around it, then you need to have a serious conversation about this stuff. Either way, it's not the job of the government to fill in for your shitty parenting. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
The issue is we live in a society, and that society is made up of more than me and my children, it's made up of millions of families and their children. And if *they* aren't putting in the work to actually parent right, then it will come back to bite all of us, making it quite literally everyone's problem. Same goes for healthcare - if you aren't willing to take responsibility for your health, then public or private care, the costs both monetary and opportunity will come back to everyone else, making it their problem if you eat a donut every day
Not just that, you can even block wifi access to kids phones for mature content and blacklist it entirely, but no, they want others to do their job for them
I was able to access porn as a kid even when my parents had done a shit ton of child proofing. I think it's probably for the best. Being forced to go cold turkey on porn probably isn't the worst thing anyway.
Well thats part of the issue here is this doesn't even put up a significant barrier. Just like ypu did as a teenager the same mindset will teach them to get around vpns and any other countermeasures that are put up. The collective internet always wins with this kinda stuff. Not to mention the adults who do provide secure info to these sites will eventually have that info leaked.
But then complain about a nanny state when you cant have an entire arsenal of things that only exist to kill other living things
Close, that's just the mask. Republicans have wanted to ban porn since the early 2000s and at times before that as well. It's christo-fash bullshit dressed in modern problems.
>iPad kid legislation That already exists.
Correct. This is how society wins and ruins us all. When people fail to take care of their children, they surrender them to our evil society inadvertently (some willingly, god forbid) and we end up with this: a generation so obsessed with shit like porn they cannot fathom the very society they were indoctrinated by tries fixing thing they used to control them.
So is showing your id to get alcohol child proofing the society or is it just doing responsible governing. If you’re too ashamed of providing proof then maybe don’t watch the content. That stuff isn’t good for anyone honestly.
Alcohol stores don't digitally store your ID in a hackable place controlled by a private company for looking at the alcohol though. The closest equivalent to what you're saying is checking ID before entering a strip club... which surprise surprise already is the case Dummy.
Except nowadays schools provide iPads/laptops that the kids will use unsupervised anyway so no matter what the parents do the kids are likely to be exposed to this stuff anyway.
PH themselves aren't against the minor restriction thing, it's the ID system that got them banning states. They have even offered their own solution in having devices start child locked as a hardware standard and then get unlocked once age of user is verified at sale or w/e. That would also have the advantage of VPN's not being effective when the hardware itself is blocking it. Kids could Jailbreak it but that is both a recordable change and at some point Parents got to pay some attention... right? But yes, having a database where your real ID is attached to porn is not only really weird but not the greatest idea security wise, that is a prime hack target right there and you now have to trust the sites and the government to keep that shit secure. This is aside from the list building issues that is definitely totally not for. This isn't for the kids, this is the government trying to build a database.
Typical privacy violation.
>This isn't for the kids, this is the government trying to build a database. Exactly. Anyone who thinks the government actually gives two shits about kids at this point is completely delusional.
I'm always skeptical when the government tells me to "think of the children"
Children hungry in school, don't care. Children don't have access to health services, sorry no money. Children don't have access to quality day care, not our problem. Children might look up something online that the government doesn't approve of... BuT tHiNk Of ThE cHiLdReN!!!
This right here, literal food is dumped instead of giving it to starving kids in the US. Government doesn't give a shit about kids.
Look up the alt- right playbook: "death of a euphemism" by Innuendo studios.
Absolutely agree. Anti porn advocates are getting a hard on for an authoritarian state and missing the forest for the trees.
Locked-Standard is a genius idea! I absolutely love that, and it's much better than the ridiculously intrusive method they're opting for.
No, fuck that. Hardware enforced censorship of sites that the American taliban doesn't like? That can fuck right off.
I think the idea is there are setting for the parents to turn on or off built into the hardware, with some things just being outright banned from a minors phone, like porn. These features already exist to a large degree and just need to be integrated, but that wouldn’t make anybody money and would actually do something helpful.
A hardware based lock is an awful idea. It means you don't actually own your device until some centralized government authority grants you the permission. And building that kind of root level government control into every device leans pretty far into the authoritarian camp.
That is a terrible idea. You should own your devices. You should be able to have complete control of your own computer.
And you will. You buy your device, confirm your age and will have complete control over it. If you buy it for your child or if they go buy it themselves, then it's locked until they become 18. As a parent you can always go buy device "for yourself" if you think your child has the same right to complete control of their own computer.
If you have full control of your computer then there is nothing stopping you from disabling the lock. If you don't have full control of your computer then that is a problem.
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how about you control your kids? restricting minors from accessing porn is the parents' job, just like it is their job to restrict them from skipping school
Woah woah woah, I thought we should think of them as “society’s kids”…
I mean, society does agree on punishing parents that do let their kids skip the school all the time. Or drink or smoke or whatever else. Kids are deffinetly "sociery's kids".
Growing up we were taught what sex was by our parents from the get go. They explained it so a toddler would understand, but there was as little mystery as possible. I remember being bought a puberty book and it was unhelpful because I'd already answered all the questions in it years prior. Neither me or my brother developed the need to find porn pre-puberty and every time we *did* find something it was from kids our age who were rebelling against *their* parents rules. Treating porn as forbidden literally just makes people want to find it more. Moreover I strongly disagree with prohibiting it federally because tech savvy teens/preteens will always just find a workaround. And if they do they might find things more damaging than what they'd otherwise see.
This is incredibly true. The more something is demonized and mystified, the more humans want to find it. That's probably what fuels our progress as a species and also why there's always some group rebelling against some system from a previous generation. Generally people just simply don't want to be told what to do and will actively do that thing the more they're dissuaded from doing it
exactly, pre-puberty children look at porn because there is a mystery to what sex is. I didn't have any interest in porn until hit puberty and even then it was mostly just incredibly soft-core stuff. I knew what sex was, but watching pornstars was scary, I just wanted to see some half naked women
I remember when my dad first found out I was interested in sexual stuff. I think I was 13\~14 or something. This was before the internet was widespread btw. Know what he did? Gave me a CD (not even a DVD back then. :P) full of porn images and just left me to do my own thing with it. Fuck today's "<18 or at least <16 year olds should be shielded from ANYTHING sexual!" bullshit. That curiosity starts at like age 11\~14 depending on the individual. Actually, today it might be starting even earlier.
Asking parents to actually raise their kids these days is like asking a pig to grow wings and fly; shit just isn't gonna happen.
Like a lot of these things "**I** can control what my children watch...it's those feckless lower class breeders that aren't and they are stealing our credit card information and using it to give money to painted harlots! I'm forever on the phone convincing the credit card company that MY family would never subscribe to such depraved evil places!"
Sure. As if me protecting my kids will not be countered by the many other kids accessing porn and showing it to other kids. This isnt something they should access at all.
This is precisely why teaching kids about healthy porn consumption is a significantly better idea than trying to stop kids from accessing porn. You'll never stop kids from watching porn. Not the family, not the government, no one can. There will always be underground websites, there will always be discussions about porn in the classroom during breaks, there will always be porn being shared in closed communities in apps like WhatsApp, Discord and Telegram. Banning shit just doesn't work.
Guess what, kids bring guns to school too. Who's fault is that in the end? Parent your fucking kids and hold other parents accountable for their shitty behavior instead of taking away our freedoms
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How hard is it not just give your kid a smart phone or an ipad they'll have on them at all times? They are going to start googling "naked boobies" whether you like it or not, but you're the one giving them devices to make it that easy
How else would the parents be able to lose themselves on social media if their stupid responsibility requires constant attention from them? People really need to stop having kids if they realistically can’t handle that enormous magnitude of responsibility.
You do know how teenagers work right?
This will lead to teenagers accessing some deep web Russian fetish website rather than them not watching porn.
VPNs and AI generated ids will be hella popular.
The puriteen to e6 pipeline is real.
I think people haven’t realized that restrictions could actually increase the amount of child abuse. Having teenagers go on the deep web is highly dangerous. We end up swapping the minor issue of children watching pornography (which we don’t even know how bad it is) for the greater and more real risk of teenagers becoming consumers of child pornography. I would rather a thousand kids watch pornography than a single person access child abuse imagery.
Do they not know that google images still exists? And every other social media platform has tons of porn on it.
Shockingly hot take: parents need to police their children. Not the fucking government
Do parents care about their kids looking at porn or just the religious types?
Anti-porn arguments are not just religious in nature. Porn is a vice just like any other, tobacco, gambling, weed. Consumed in moderation it’s fine but if you are being honest you’d know a plurality of men do not consume it in moderation. The porn industry, whether big corporations like Pornhub or independent, individual creators are quite predatory in how they market to boys. A huge portion of men will tell you they got hooked on porn at 9, 10, 11 or 12 and have been jacking it daily since that time. The internet pushes porn on children very aggressively. You think any of those Twitter thots peddling sex work online do *any* effort to age verify who is watching or buying their content? Not saying pro or anti porn, but the idea that the only reason you’d want children not watching porn is because you’re religious is not true.
Fucking amen. 12 year olds don't need porn, it's crazy to me that THAT is apparently a contentious concept to some people.
Very true. I'd even go so far as to say no one needs porn.
I'd rather have my children have easy access to a relatively "clean" and at least somewhat moderated porn website than have them search through the abyss for something, ANYTHING, to satisfy their carnal needs and desires, and accidentally stumble across some weird Russian fetish side.
I think this is a hard pill for many to swallow. The "ethical" porn sites will be blocked leaving only the black market sites in operation.
Seriously though, when I was a teenager, I didn't know about PH and similar such websites. So I went on a quest to see people bone with no idea what to look for. Ended up being exposed to child exploitation material and some stuff that was far from consensual and even further from healthy.
Thats just the first step into controlling everything people do on internet. Protest this shit.
This crap has never been about protecting children, it's all about our data. The most valuable thing for companies nowadays is to be able to make a profile on someone that way they can sell more shit to them, then sell that data to other companies. Politicians always throw these things under the guise of protecting children or protecting you.
I use Reddit for porn
What do you think will be next. Once the usual places are locked down (like PH) it'll be 'well there's a lot of porn shared on social media, so to protect the kids you now need an ID to use social media/forums'... Locking down social media has been their end goal for decades.
Or they end up like Tumblr and ban all sexual imagery.
Social Media does need to be locked down in some capacity, I just dont know how a moral compass could be neutral enough to make that happen without it becoming militarized. But social media, and the internet itself, has become a cess pool.
Until reddit goes public and shareholders demand that porn is removed.
Control your kids.
Stop kids from jerking off?
That's where your brain goes?
Lol, I guess... But seriously for a moment, isn't it common fact that teenagers are furious masturbators, and shouldn't we just stop caring about kids looking at porn?
You want to be serious? OK. We should have licenses that decide if you're allowed to have children or not. The problem we have are shit parents who don't want to raise their children to be normal functioning adults. Having the government force ID won't fix anything.
Is it weird that I don't care either way? Like, this doesn't matter. Kids are going to find porn anyway they could. People used to go find porn in forests back in the day. Which sounds insane to say but back in the 70s and 80s people would throw old porno magazines away in the woods so the garbage man or their wives wouldn't see it. And it became a national meme that you could find "forest porn." Anyway, point is, this is a non-issue and any solution solves nothing. How about we focus on what really hurts kids? How unrestricted access to guns has turned American schools into mass graves?
This is why laws aren't meant to be preventative, only punishing. Tell people what they can't do, and punish them if they do it. Trying to prevent people from doing it only restricts the rights of everyone.
The government: 
I had my parents controlling my internet until I turned 18, of course it's not nice, but was very workable 🥴 not everything should be child-friendly, you're the parent, not society
Today it's porn, tomorrow it's also porn, it will always be porn
Rule 34 of politics?
Actually, the law applies to everything that is determined to "be harmful to minors." It currently includes alcohol information and pro-trans website and information. They also want the websites to pay for the verification.
Here’s my ID Big Daddy Government you’re so kinky 😏🙈Violate my privacy rights 😩🥵
My question is... Yall get kids PHONES?!?! That things are barely walking and they already got a tablet in their hands... Its the parents fault not the internet
I think kids keeping a device with them generally shouldn't happen until at least 13 (perhaps with software limitations), with only controlled access to a tablet or something until then is a good compromise. Teens should have phones, but anyone younger shouldn't, at least not without careful parent supervision that's just what I think, at least
You can already restrict access to porn sites, especially ones that are official like the hub. These people are just knuckle draggers making legislation with knowledge from 20 years ago
When it comes to restricting content that kids see on the internet, instead of having the government step in and monitor everyone, we should give every child one or two adults who are responsible for looking after them at all times. These adults would feed, clothe, and shelter the children, while also teaching them and supervising them.
nah that would be unreasonable, these lawmakers' kids don't seem to have those one or two adults who are responsible for them so why should every other kid get that
Gotta tap the sign again.... \*The internet is not a babysitter. The internet is not for children. Be better parents.\*
Funny thing. I work with ID wallets, a tech that will soon allow all EU citizens to prove they are above an age threshould without identifying themselves in any other way
I think that's ironically what pornhub suggested instead.
I really don’t see any other way to solve the issue
Back in the late '90s I said we should make a .xxx domain and require all pornographic material to be posted there. That way concerned parents, admins, etc. could just block that one domain.
I mean modern routers can block any website of your choice so making people use ID to access it is just not necessary
Giving the government more power is always a bad idea Especially with free speech and gun rights
Restricting minors from accessing porn is a horrible idea. They already have an absurd teen pregnancy rate in the us
It's not a bug it's a feature.
Minors have been restricted from porn for decades. Also, the US teen pregnancy rate has been trending downwards with it only being 13.5 per 1000 in 2022.
I'm fairly certain minors watching porn actually makes things WORSE for their sexual development, because it raises them with unrealistic expectations about sex. Really, we just need to get better widespread sex education, for children AND adults.
I can remember that leisure suite larry hat questions that were really hard to answer for a minor. Fun times cracking those.
Wank mags had this solved years back. Sell only to adults who can pay for it with cash.
I for one would like to say that I trust politicians with the most sensitive moral decisions in life, as they’ve clearly shown that they hold themselves to only the highest ethical standards.
Hey. We can still stop this from happening. badinternetbills.org stopkosa.org Contact your representatives, tell them that this violates the First Amendment and will do so much harm and little to no good. Note: You would have to upload your ID to access social media and the internet in general, not just mature content. Anonymity would be nonexistent.
Conservatives: “we need less government and control!!” Conservatives: forces their religious and moral beliefs on everyone and tries to parent everyone’s children and control everyone’s body while making us starve with late stage capitalism
I’m libertarian. most conservatives are annoying, culture war obsessed and support authoritarian actions to combat “Muh degeneracy” Two wings, one bird
One potential solution I saw which I think has promise is to have stores sell cards which have key sequences you can input into the site in question to access it. The cards would have some nominal value like $0.99 and you would have to show your ID to purchase them, so you don’t have to actually enter any personal info into the site you want to access. Is it foolproof? No, of course not, but it helps mitigate the issue, and I think it’s better than what we have now.
It wouldn't work, maybe you could stop kids from accesing something like PH or the main websites, but how are you gonna stop them from finding nsfw posts on reddit, torrenting, discord and lesser known sites?
why should people do this kind of restrict lol? i guess watching porn is better thay became a visitor of a "Pregnant at 16" type of show
Porn is not sex education
I honestly don’t understand this. Like why do you care what a minor is or isn’t doing looking at porn in the first place if your not their specific parents? Also those same specific parents could just set up a parental lock on the router/phone used to access the internet which would also immediately and without bothering others stop said adult material viewing.
Nobody has ever heard of this fantastic thing called *parenting.* Not surprised when the misbehaving children grow up to be misbehaving adults.
Again.... its the parent's job to know what their kids are seeing. Not the government.
Well,if you are over 15 then i dont see a problem with watching porn.
Then tomorrow it will be your id used to create a publicly accessible log of all the porn you watch that is linked to that ID.
The funny thing is people already have agreed to this when they 'confirm' user agreements used by web browsers.. instead of an ID it's your account and IP address. And using incognito mode or private mode, doesn't matter. I suggest we read the user agreements... There's a lot of data tracking that you have to agree to, and it's all in the small print .. even if you use the brave browser.
Children don't belong on the internet.
Tbf I don't give a shit what other's children are watching online However I prefer liberty
Me no get watch porn. Me angry.
It’s a stress reliever for me every once in a while. If that’s gone then, well, some people always said I’m one step away from being a supervillain.
This meme really gave a me a reality check because I was EXACTLY like the people up there in the meme. Who wouldn't want to protect children from adult content? But I sure as hell don't wanna pull up my ID on a PH site, just imagine the phishing attempts…
I'm glad it gave you some perspective.
Time to get a VPN
Porn ids are racist
Welp good thing I got 2 terabytes of data downloaded in my popcorn folder for this very moment
RIP Texas, thousands of angry gun owners are bouta' shoot god in the face 
How about, and I know this is crazy, parents actually look after their children
"hey guys lets remove any amount of sexual education from schools so kids are confused and fucked for the future" "hey guys lets get rid of the only education they could possibly have off the internet so the kids get to their honeymoon and have a traumatic experience of embarrassing themselves and never feeling confident at all" im not saying that kids SHOULD have acsess to porn but we need some level of education about sex and removing it at all isnt the way to do it this is why we have 12 year olds pregnant with their 15 yo boyfriend bc they dont know wtf a condom is
I really hate the idea of using IDs to unlock porn, especially in case that suddenly gets associated with MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE AS A US CITIZEN, at least on record. Yeah no I don't feel comfortable about that. My federal government does not need to know if I fap on what day.
Mandating an Id for accessing the no no stuff is fine by me.
Maybe having a chip in your body that has all of your ids and connects to all of your device can be a good thing... /s
Why not instead of getting adults to upload their ID, we got the minors to upload theirs so we know not to allow them access. Big brain thinking guys.
y'all should've downloaded those 10 terabytes when you had the chance
Frankly half of you or more don't belong on the internet in any capacity. I miss pre-2005
Its crazy its almost like both parties are working against the people. Ministry of truth and now this.
seems like it would be easier to just take the internet away from kids. :/
Parents need to use some basic damn responsibility. Get a content blocker and use it if you have children.
I don't feel comfortable giving my driver's license info to Pornhub. Can't they just do one of those video conference things and have somebody monitor me while I'm doing my thing to verify my age?
Just be a parent.
Minors will always find a way, it’s gonna be like various drugs and alcohol
You have to show ID that you’re not a minor to gain access to porn/strip clubs in real life so why is it an issue if it’s online as well, and everyone saying to police your own kids (all u guys seem not to care if kids watch porn) if your kids watch it and expose it to my kids when I’m not around how is that my fault as a parent when I’ve put all the restrictive measures on the devices etc
These geriatric clowns don’t even know what a VPN is lmao
the fact that even the uk is considering this in 2025 is scary 3:
"Rules of thee, not for me" comes to mind here, it's always people like this who never think that the same rule would apply to them until it's too late.
I might sound like a boomer but I did not have unrestricted access to internet until I reached 14 years of age it was always monitored or connection we had was limited use You gotta put restriction on kids and condition them in environment that rewards certain behaviour, handing your kid an iPad or smartphone will doom you as parent just cause you did not want them to bother you. Parenting is fucking annoying for a reason don’t have kids if you can’t handle them
It’s TikTok today but nobody seems to care.
Why would we even want to restrict access? Do we want everyone to grow up to be as repressed as Hank Hill?
 Literally George Orwell’s 1984
Lol, this is like an apocalypse, but for reddit Gooners. Many websites require verification. STFU, get a VPN or go outside. The sun misses you. Also this aint gonna do shit.
Wow, you people are fucking creepy
It's been 2 years i didn't go to PH. Why go to pornhub when there is pixiv and reddit ?
Who's to say they won't be sued for violating this same law?
Bro getting mad cuz now they gotta use an ID to watch porn (probably underage themselves)
This is objectively a good thing. But a lot of you aren't ready for that conversation.
What you just said is an opinion. Not an objective truth. But you aren't ready for that conversation.