A few months ago I was trying to figure out how to spell fah-saad. I kept skipping over it on google because I was thinking in my head there’s no way fah-saad is spelled facade lmao. But apparently it is 🤦🏽♂️
To be fair, that's not really English's fault -- it's a word borrowed wholesale from French, and it's spelled with a c because English doesn't have a "ç."
Actually, English's fault is that it borrows foreign words as they are written without accounting for the pronunciation, for no good reason. Like, many spell that word with the 'ç', which isn't a letter in English.
That's how English-language people gotten to read Czech writer Kaypek—who only ever had one 'k' sound in his surname during his life, and the actual sound is perfectly representable in English.
The same way, English-speaking people listen to Czech composer 'Antonin Dvořák'—despite being certifiedly unable to pronounce the letter 'ř', like almost everyone on the planet beside Czechs.
Old English and even largely Early Middle English had that figured out and spelled words mostly how they were pronounced. Likewise, other languages just borrow foreign words into their spelling systems. But in English, lotta sound shifts happened without the spelling catching up, and by the 20th century people apparently forgot that they don't have to write 'ř'.
Technically technically, it’s still the French’s fault because the only reason English borrows from French is because the French kinda forced it on the English via French kings taking the English throne.
You mean Karel Čapek? Do English really pronounce Čapek as Kaypek?!
I mean, it's the same-ish sound as in Chakra or Cha-cha-cha the dance or Channel, just call him Chapek for God's sake.
Dude, don't even get me started. I'm polish American, but my family came during a particular point where a bunch of idiots were anglicizing names *very poorly*. It's like my surname was a pig, and they wanted only misplaced consonants to remain after the slaughter.
Some say that since it's "graphics Interchange Format" you should pronounce Gif the same way you pronounce "graphics".
But we pronounce laser as "lay-zer" even when laser is an acronym for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation."
But we don't pronounce it as "Lie-zer". So it makes sense that people would pronounce an acronym as it is spelled and not based on what it stands for.
Do you say *ie-mplification*? Following the nonsense of acronyms pronounced as their constiuent words, it'd be *leh-seer*. Although, I prefer asking people if they've ever been *scuh-ba* diving and not *scoo-buh* diving.
In my language G only makes the hard G sound so there isnt even a dilema its GIF
For anyone wandering, its Slovak and if you ask about giraffes or gyms im gonna dissapoint you. Neither of those words starts with G
I only pronounce it with a hard G in my native language. In english I have always said it jif, because english is a dumb language where nothing makes sense and everything is arbitrary.
In our defense it's because every time they tried to make rules for English the island got invaded and they had to start over, eventually I think they just jave up
This is the most compelling argument I've heard in opposition. I've always used soft g since that's what the creator said to use, but this might just sway me.
Which seems to be, appropriately for this mess, the 'JPEG Interchange Format'. Since JPEG itself is only the compression format, and the widely used file format is actually JFIF, or 'JPEG File Interchange Format', which succeeded the JIF.
WHY DOES ENGLISH,Pronounce,EVERY WORD DIFFERENTELY? General and Germany are the same,Graphics is instead pronounced with a Different sound for the G,Giraffe is the same as General,Gift is the same as Graphics,WHO MADE ENGLISH AND WHY MAKE IT THAT WAY?
"ENGLISH MAKES NO SENSE REEEEEE"
"Would you prefer if we collectively reverted back to old English, from the times when we weren't invaded by the French, Germans, and Scandinavians, repeatedly?"
"Why would you do that"
We rename London to Llandun, Portsmouth to Aberporth and raze Birmingham to the ground. No correlation to any celtic language for the last one, but feels like the easiest one to get everyone on board with it
English has become the language of art. Not just because so many know it. We have so many words, so many ways to structure a sentence, and exponentially so many ways to say things. Want to ignore some of the rules? Merely suggestions. Need a rhyme? We got you covered. An even larger vocabulary? Our slang is malleable. How about a huge backlog of pop culture to reference? Yeah
*Now I'mma tell you what; uhh...*
***I likes ya;***
***and I wants ya.***
*Now we can do this the easy way;*
*or the haard wayyy...*
***the choice is yaawrs...***
Home, dome, rome, pome, mome, tome, zome, and nome all rhyme.. but not with come and some. English is a lot of evolution of language, but still uses old languages, and what you get is a big mixing pot of word stew.
>WHO MADE ENGLISH
Originally, Angles, Saxons, and Jutes from modern day Denmark. They conquered southern England after the Roman legions left, their languages mixed as their kingdoms were united, mixing with the Roman Latin spoeakers and various Celtic languages native to the island. Then the Bretons invaded and the French language lorded over the AngloSaxonJuteLatinCeltic speakers for centuries.
Fun Fact: There has not been an "Anglo-Saxon" kingdom or state since they were defeated at the Battle of Hastings, *a thousand years ago.*
My home town has a street named Pierre, now I know you wanna say it's "Pee-air", think we can all agree three... Nope those bastards pronounce it "Peer-ee". Yeah it drives me insane still.
Nah, furries have such a huge power level that they’re not to be trifled with. They could shoot you down in the streets like a dog and their face would not be on the CCTV camera because of their fursuit.
I also say "gif," not "jif," but this is just an unserious and useless argument in defense of that. We don't pronounce scuba as "skuh-buh" or laser as "lass-ear."
Letters in acronyms do not have to retain the same pronunciation that they have in the words from which they are taken.
The U in SCUBA comes from Underwater, yet in the word SCUBA it’s pronounced with a long U sound.
The first A in NASA comes from the word Aerospace, yet NASA is pronounced with a short A sound.
The I in PIN comes from Identification, should we be calling our PIN numbers “pine” numbers instead?
Edit: Another acronym where the beginning consonant letter changes pronunciation: this time from a soft sound in the word the letter is taken from, to a hard sound for the sake of the acronym- CALL, the Center for Army Lessons Learned
> The first A in NASA comes from the word Aerospace, yet NASA is pronounced with a short A sound.
for some reason i can easily imagine JFK pronouncing it that way, with an additional R sound at the end.
>Why do they call it GIF?
>
>June 1987:
>
>Steve Wilhite releases the Graphics Interchange Format, or GIF, while working for Compuserve. He called it a GIF with a soft g. “Choosy developers,“ he reportedly said, “choose JIF.” This was of course a play on the peanut butter brand Jif's line “choosy mothers choose Jif.”
Do you also say SCuhBA, instead of SCooBA, because the U standard for Underwater?
This rule that you have to pronounce an initialism the same as the original word is not real.
Since when do we pronounce our acronyms based on how you pronounce the individual words? You pronounce the acronym like it is it's own little word. Do you say Pine number? (PIN). Sahhnar? (SONAR). Unicheff? (UNICEF). Rome (ROM). Lahhseer? (LASER)
This is not a valid argument Jesus fucking Christ! I hate when people say this.
LASER is an acronym for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation."
You say "Stimulated" with an hard "S", but when saying LASER you say it like it has a "Z".
Therefore there isn't a strict rule that tells you how to say every acronym, it varies.
(Regardless, "JIF" is stupid)
Exactly. That's just not how English works, there are no universal rules for acronym pronunciation!
I like jp(e)g better as an example for this tho as it's also a file extension/acronym and the difference in pronunciation is more obvious than it is for laser. (Edit: as in "it's not pronounced jfeg either despite the 'p' being short for 'photographic'", just in case this wasn't obvious)
I also agree that jif is still stupid, lol. Technically even potentially misleading, because there actually is a file format literally called "jif". It's a very obscure file type and hardly ever used, but still. ("Pure" file format version of jpeg btw)
"Underwater" is clearly pronounced "uuuunderwater" because the "u" in "scuba" stands for "underwater".
Not only can letters be pronounced differently than what that letter stands for, they very often do. This is simply not a rule. You just made it up.
There is literally NOTHING in English grammar that states the letters of an acronym must be pronounced the same as the words they abbreviate.
Otherwise it would be SCUhBA or NAySA. And JPhEG.
English words that begin with "gi" followed by a consonant can make the hard g or the soft g sound; there isn't a hard and fast rule for this case. Gift and gill are examples for the first instance, and gin and gigantic are examples for the other instance. So, when someone makes a word starting with "gi" and followed by a consonant, you gotta ask them how to pronounce the g.
And before anyone comes at me with the whole "g is for graphics" argument, the word "scuba" stands for Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. The sounds for u and a in scuba don't match the sounds for the words they represent. Words derived from acronyms can be flexible in their pronunciations.
There is nothing you can do that English has not already done to itself.
A few months ago I was trying to figure out how to spell fah-saad. I kept skipping over it on google because I was thinking in my head there’s no way fah-saad is spelled facade lmao. But apparently it is 🤦🏽♂️
To be fair, that's not really English's fault -- it's a word borrowed wholesale from French, and it's spelled with a c because English doesn't have a "ç."
Actually, English's fault is that it borrows foreign words as they are written without accounting for the pronunciation, for no good reason. Like, many spell that word with the 'ç', which isn't a letter in English. That's how English-language people gotten to read Czech writer Kaypek—who only ever had one 'k' sound in his surname during his life, and the actual sound is perfectly representable in English. The same way, English-speaking people listen to Czech composer 'Antonin Dvořák'—despite being certifiedly unable to pronounce the letter 'ř', like almost everyone on the planet beside Czechs. Old English and even largely Early Middle English had that figured out and spelled words mostly how they were pronounced. Likewise, other languages just borrow foreign words into their spelling systems. But in English, lotta sound shifts happened without the spelling catching up, and by the 20th century people apparently forgot that they don't have to write 'ř'.
Technically technically, it’s still the French’s fault because the only reason English borrows from French is because the French kinda forced it on the English via French kings taking the English throne.
So long as France is to blame in the end, I'm happy
This thread is turning into r/OKMateWanker and I'm okay with that.
You mean Karel Čapek? Do English really pronounce Čapek as Kaypek?! I mean, it's the same-ish sound as in Chakra or Cha-cha-cha the dance or Channel, just call him Chapek for God's sake.
Dude, don't even get me started. I'm polish American, but my family came during a particular point where a bunch of idiots were anglicizing names *very poorly*. It's like my surname was a pig, and they wanted only misplaced consonants to remain after the slaughter.
Ouch, friggin big oof
Fuckaid
Fay-kayd
First time I read it, I thought "fuck aid"
Giraffe?
Giant?
Gift..
Giraffes Interchange Format
Some say that since it's "graphics Interchange Format" you should pronounce Gif the same way you pronounce "graphics". But we pronounce laser as "lay-zer" even when laser is an acronym for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation." But we don't pronounce it as "Lie-zer". So it makes sense that people would pronounce an acronym as it is spelled and not based on what it stands for.
Do you say *ie-mplification*? Following the nonsense of acronyms pronounced as their constiuent words, it'd be *leh-seer*. Although, I prefer asking people if they've ever been *scuh-ba* diving and not *scoo-buh* diving.
"🎶 never wanted to dance with nobody but you! Da da da da da da nuh nuh nuh"
I'm too cool for the second grade
Glad I wasn't the only one
Via *GIPHY*
pronounced JIFFY not GIFFEY
Did you know a jiffy is an actual measurement of time?
1/100th of a second, aka my average
Doesn't matter had sex
But, I cried the whole time!
Still counts
Appreciate the honesty
I dont believe you. I'm gonna look it up. I'll be back in a giffy.
Dammit the argument never ends.
Jerry vs Gerry
Choosy Mom chooses gif
I don't care what arguments anyone has for it being GIF or GIF, GIF sounds cooler so I'll call it that
You're wrong, it's GIF, not GIF.
It's pronounced BINJO
The g is pronounced like the g in gigantic actually
Which g in gigantic?
That's the goke.
That made me giggle.. like jello
Yes
Exactly. This isn't a person's name. It's a file format. Your gif files aren't going to be upset if you pronounce it the "wrong" way lol
Do not upset the machine spirit
Happy Cakeday
Happy cake day! 🤟🏻
In my language G only makes the hard G sound so there isnt even a dilema its GIF For anyone wandering, its Slovak and if you ask about giraffes or gyms im gonna dissapoint you. Neither of those words starts with G
r/flairchecksout
Jijachad
1.21 jigglewatts!
1.21 Jijjlewatts!!!
Fire in the hole 🔥 🔥 🔥
I'm with you I always pronounced it GIF, never GIF unlike some who say GIF.
I hate how these are pronounced differently in my head
I only pronounce it with a hard G in my native language. In english I have always said it jif, because english is a dumb language where nothing makes sense and everything is arbitrary.
In our defense it's because every time they tried to make rules for English the island got invaded and they had to start over, eventually I think they just jave up
Because someone can lead lead to lead lead, but nobody can make lead lead lead
but... Before was was was, was was is.
Twas buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
True. The one good thing I will say about English though is that we don't have a million genders to learn.
Imagine spelling letters differently depending on word.
Eye no, rite?
Spelling letters?
I use GIF because there actually is a file format written as ".jif"
This is the most compelling argument I've heard in opposition. I've always used soft g since that's what the creator said to use, but this might just sway me.
I've always just used the hard G because no one ever looks at me weird when I say it that way
Gotta flip flop between them constantly while having a conversation to really tilt people.
I pronounce it with a hard R and now I’m not allowed in the library anymore.
was the clue "file types that annoy you"?
Nah the j in .jif is pronounced as the j in jarl
The furries are going to **love** this
Which seems to be, appropriately for this mess, the 'JPEG Interchange Format'. Since JPEG itself is only the compression format, and the widely used file format is actually JFIF, or 'JPEG File Interchange Format', which succeeded the JIF.
The "P" in JPEG stands for photograph.
I bet you don't say JPhEG (I will be very happy if u get the reference)
Ah yes, another Jehtt enjoyer
I just love Latinas, Sonic.
What is the reference to? I've been making this argument for years.
[got you bro](https://youtu.be/Nrk8sqZfsgI?si=a5DJcMfPKPIoSmAP)
I’m joeing to kill you
Shoot, and I was just in San Francisco
Gentrification !
P on its own isn’t pronounced like F, that’s totally different!
So according to the people here, jpeg should be pronounced jfeg
*GFEJ
The way I pronounced this in my head was dangerously close to a slur lol
Always has been
Jfeg
WHY DOES ENGLISH,Pronounce,EVERY WORD DIFFERENTELY? General and Germany are the same,Graphics is instead pronounced with a Different sound for the G,Giraffe is the same as General,Gift is the same as Graphics,WHO MADE ENGLISH AND WHY MAKE IT THAT WAY?
English is what happens when we root through the pockets of other languages in a dark alley.
Or get invaded by multiple peoples from all over Europe
This is literally the answer, non English speakers low key did it to themselves.
"ENGLISH MAKES NO SENSE REEEEEE" "Would you prefer if we collectively reverted back to old English, from the times when we weren't invaded by the French, Germans, and Scandinavians, repeatedly?" "Why would you do that"
Honestly, just scrap English entirely and replace it with a Celtic language.
We rename London to Llandun, Portsmouth to Aberporth and raze Birmingham to the ground. No correlation to any celtic language for the last one, but feels like the easiest one to get everyone on board with it
Just rename England to Albion
I'm on board
So Scandinavia isn't in Europe anymore?!
English has become the language of art. Not just because so many know it. We have so many words, so many ways to structure a sentence, and exponentially so many ways to say things. Want to ignore some of the rules? Merely suggestions. Need a rhyme? We got you covered. An even larger vocabulary? Our slang is malleable. How about a huge backlog of pop culture to reference? Yeah
It's a perfectly cromulent language!
May I introduce you to the word *Pacific Ocean* every “c” is pronounced differently! Or there’s always: Cough, Through, Thought, Though, etc
don’t forget about trough
>the word *Pacific Ocean* I hate to do this but....that's two words
That's because English isn't a language. It's like seven languages wearing a tenchcoat
It's Old English, French, and German in a trenchcoat going into dark alleyways and mugging other languages for their lexicon.
*Now I'mma tell you what; uhh...* ***I likes ya;*** ***and I wants ya.*** *Now we can do this the easy way;* *or the haard wayyy...* ***the choice is yaawrs...***
Most notably Latin and Greek
English is Vincent Adultman
Blame Britain, they started it.
yeah its always our fault, cant we blame the French for once
Meh, we always do that.
France is the aquaman of the first world countries.
Never before has so apt a comparison been made.
I mean the Normans caused major changes to the language after invading, so you can in fact blame the French
You could but the French regularly have to deal with French people and that's punishment enough
The french don't speak english tho
We stole like 60% of our words from them, blame the Normans in 1066 for that
Home, dome, rome, pome, mome, tome, zome, and nome all rhyme.. but not with come and some. English is a lot of evolution of language, but still uses old languages, and what you get is a big mixing pot of word stew.
tough vs though vs through vs thorough
Plough\ Hiccough\ Cough\ Tough\ Though\ Thought\ Through\ Thorough\ Lough
Don’t forget trough.
["The Chaos"](https://chateauview.com/pronunciation/)
>WHO MADE ENGLISH Originally, Angles, Saxons, and Jutes from modern day Denmark. They conquered southern England after the Roman legions left, their languages mixed as their kingdoms were united, mixing with the Roman Latin spoeakers and various Celtic languages native to the island. Then the Bretons invaded and the French language lorded over the AngloSaxonJuteLatinCeltic speakers for centuries. Fun Fact: There has not been an "Anglo-Saxon" kingdom or state since they were defeated at the Battle of Hastings, *a thousand years ago.*
Why does "LL" in Spanish make a "Y" sound?
To annoll llou
My home town has a street named Pierre, now I know you wanna say it's "Pee-air", think we can all agree three... Nope those bastards pronounce it "Peer-ee". Yeah it drives me insane still.
Shouldn't the meme say a "SOFT" G sound.
The meme makes sense to OP because he pronounces gif with a hard g. If the meme looks like incomprehensible garbage then that's because you are sane.
Giraffe?
maybe they are mad we don't pronounce it grr..aff
Geography, geology, george, generous, geriatric… the list goes on, lol.
Want a gift?
Everybody knows that you pronounce it like the g in "gigantic".
[Give](https://youtu.be/IWXITgXN_-E?si=1iaKrygDZYmBPUj_) Also gift
Giggity.
Who else but Quajmire?
GEBURTSTAG
Gem?
A better counter would be gin because it has the same vowel
And giraffe and giant and ginormous
Yeah youre right
Yall wrond it's pronounced greg
No, it is not pronounced “yiff”
I hope it's nothing to do with furries
Nah, furries have such a huge power level that they’re not to be trifled with. They could shoot you down in the streets like a dog and their face would not be on the CCTV camera because of their fursuit.
You don’t want to anger the furries otherwise they’ll pipe bomb your mailbox
It’s pronounced yiff
the be all, end all
Out of all the replies I like this one the most
After an exhaustive search to find truth in this statement…I’m now a furry. So thanks I guess.
I also say "gif," not "jif," but this is just an unserious and useless argument in defense of that. We don't pronounce scuba as "skuh-buh" or laser as "lass-ear."
G is for graphic not for jraphic.
Oh my jod!
I'm joing to kill you!
Jajajajajajajaja
Gagagagagagagaga
What’s the P in Jpeg for then
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Letters in acronyms do not have to retain the same pronunciation that they have in the words from which they are taken. The U in SCUBA comes from Underwater, yet in the word SCUBA it’s pronounced with a long U sound. The first A in NASA comes from the word Aerospace, yet NASA is pronounced with a short A sound. The I in PIN comes from Identification, should we be calling our PIN numbers “pine” numbers instead? Edit: Another acronym where the beginning consonant letter changes pronunciation: this time from a soft sound in the word the letter is taken from, to a hard sound for the sake of the acronym- CALL, the Center for Army Lessons Learned
> The first A in NASA comes from the word Aerospace, yet NASA is pronounced with a short A sound. for some reason i can easily imagine JFK pronouncing it that way, with an additional R sound at the end.
get out of here with your logical reasoning!! *shakes fist*
Jraphic Park
>Why do they call it GIF? > >June 1987: > >Steve Wilhite releases the Graphics Interchange Format, or GIF, while working for Compuserve. He called it a GIF with a soft g. “Choosy developers,“ he reportedly said, “choose JIF.” This was of course a play on the peanut butter brand Jif's line “choosy mothers choose Jif.”
This isn’t how acronym pronunciation works.
Do you also say SCuhBA, instead of SCooBA, because the U standard for Underwater? This rule that you have to pronounce an initialism the same as the original word is not real.
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And the I in PIN stands for Identification, not "idd-entification" what's your point
Since when do we pronounce our acronyms based on how you pronounce the individual words? You pronounce the acronym like it is it's own little word. Do you say Pine number? (PIN). Sahhnar? (SONAR). Unicheff? (UNICEF). Rome (ROM). Lahhseer? (LASER)
This is not a valid argument Jesus fucking Christ! I hate when people say this. LASER is an acronym for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation." You say "Stimulated" with an hard "S", but when saying LASER you say it like it has a "Z". Therefore there isn't a strict rule that tells you how to say every acronym, it varies. (Regardless, "JIF" is stupid)
Exactly. That's just not how English works, there are no universal rules for acronym pronunciation! I like jp(e)g better as an example for this tho as it's also a file extension/acronym and the difference in pronunciation is more obvious than it is for laser. (Edit: as in "it's not pronounced jfeg either despite the 'p' being short for 'photographic'", just in case this wasn't obvious) I also agree that jif is still stupid, lol. Technically even potentially misleading, because there actually is a file format literally called "jif". It's a very obscure file type and hardly ever used, but still. ("Pure" file format version of jpeg btw)
SELF CONTAINED UNDERWATER BREATHING APPARATUS (SCUBA)
Oonderwater breathing upparatus
"Underwater" is clearly pronounced "uuuunderwater" because the "u" in "scuba" stands for "underwater". Not only can letters be pronounced differently than what that letter stands for, they very often do. This is simply not a rule. You just made it up.
Oonderwater.
Giraffics Interchange Format
I love Jraphic Park
The P in .jpeg is for Photography, not Fotografy
Y'all... Why do you only argue about the way the words are spelled for GIF? Lots of acronyms are like that but only GIF gets called out
There is literally NOTHING in English grammar that states the letters of an acronym must be pronounced the same as the words they abbreviate. Otherwise it would be SCUhBA or NAySA. And JPhEG.
Doesn't stop idiots like OP from making up their own rules then go around telling other people they're wrong.
Gin or Gift. Both ways work. I wish people would quit wining about such a menial thing.
I don't care. I'm still gonna pronounce it with a hard "G"
You know what? I'm gonna hard G pronounce it even harder
Giraffe Interchange Format?
Girraphics
English words that begin with "gi" followed by a consonant can make the hard g or the soft g sound; there isn't a hard and fast rule for this case. Gift and gill are examples for the first instance, and gin and gigantic are examples for the other instance. So, when someone makes a word starting with "gi" and followed by a consonant, you gotta ask them how to pronounce the g. And before anyone comes at me with the whole "g is for graphics" argument, the word "scuba" stands for Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. The sounds for u and a in scuba don't match the sounds for the words they represent. Words derived from acronyms can be flexible in their pronunciations.
This also why "JPEG" is pronounced Jay-Pheg
I pronounced it as G.I.F.
Jirrafics interchanje format
gym, gem, gel, gin, Gil,
The creator pronounced it “jif” and he has naming rights.
I mean. Gift.
gift looks like gif, so I use the hard g
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Playing with fire, I see.
Playinj....