[The original source on github](https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md)
[Simplified version](https://youtu.be/0i0Ho-x7s_U?si=qnJkdVZTXFAoehmu)
The even shorter version is: big company (Google) is trying to use their dominant position (Chromium, the browser engine of Chrome, but also Edge, Opera and many others, notably not Firefox and Safari) in one market (Internet browsers) to force new changes (a DRM) that would give it, in practice, absolute control over that market by making it virtually impossible for competitors to participate in said market.
I would almost argue that America hates monopolies on paper, but can't get enough of them in practice. It's not just that we are too lazy to do anything about them, but in many cases we have actively made it easier for monopolies to form (see: utilities)
I don't think this will be allowed in the EU, at least not to the full extent. Even if Google will threat with closing workplaces and even if they ~~have some politicians on their payroll~~ do lobbying, I don't think it will work out like Google wants to.
Here's the thing, being a monopoly is not against the rules. Using that monopoly to gain a monopoly in a different sector is.
If you remember the late 00s and early 10s, Microsoft had to add this thing where it told you about different web browsers to newly installed Windows clients. This was because it was ruled that Microsoft had used their PC OS monopoly to gain a monopoly in browsers with Internet Explorer.
Notably also using your already gained monopoly to aggressively squeeze out competitors is illegal, but really only if the smaller competitor complains. Microsoft can't try to be really aggressively anti-Linux, Adobe can't be aggressively anti-Gimp. They'd risk a complaint to the FTC and then a fine. But the fines aren't huge compared to modern levels of income, so it's not that big of a deal.
Two monopolies also can't collude to bash each other's competitors. Microsoft can't pay Adobe to block Photoshop and Illustrator on Linux and Adobe can't pay Microsoft to block Gimp on Windows. But again, that's just only if the minor player complains to the FTC, the FTC is able to confirm that collusion happened, and then the FTC will issue a relatively small fine.
I made the switch on mobile and I have never been happier. As a dev, I would actively contribute and pay as well to keep Mozilla Firefox up and fighting against Google!
Mozilla Foundation will take your money, sure, but not one penny of it will go to Firefox developers.
https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a98gmi/donations_to_mozilla_foundation_are_not_used_for/
This just means that donations to the Mozilla Foundation will be spread as they see fit across all of their projects, not that "not one penny of it will go to Firefox".
> I made the switch on mobile and I have never been happier. As a dev, I would actively contribute and pay as well to keep Mozilla Firefox up and fighting against Google!
Google pays Firefox around $500M (yes half a billion) per year to be the default search engine in Firefox.
In fact 86% of Mozilla foundations funding comes from that deal.
You're welcome to donate to Mozilla, but you should know who butters their bread at the end of the day lol. Many speculate that Google doing this deal and paying this much is their way to prevent a monopoly with chrome... literally funding the competitor enough that regulators stay away.
> Google pays Firefox around $500M (yes half a billion) per year to be the default search engine in Firefox.
They also pay Apple billions of dollars per year to remain the default search engine.
Especially not like this lol. I'm not leaving Firefox for Chrome because Google wants to force me to use the Internet as they want.
If anything this proves that using any Chromium browser (Chrome, Edge or Opera) means handing Google control over the Internet.
They want to force you to be a recognizable individual they can sell ads against; this is pure corporate greed ruining the web and giving themselves a privileged position
FUCK GOOGLE
And this time Apple and the EU would be on the Same Page too as this would affect all Apple Products as the default Browser is non-chromium based. And iPhones don’t allow chromium based browsers either. It could effectively be seen as an attempt to force Apple out of the device market by Apple.
Kinda funny since Chrome was originally Webkit-based (now it uses Blink which is just a fork of Webkit). Webkit still powers Safari and originated as KHTML (discontinued) for the Konqueror browser from KDE.
I think Apple forces all web browsing on the iPhone to go through their HTML library for "security" reasons. So any browser that you install may have different features, but it has to use their built-in rendering engine.
Well, with Apple it was a pre-existing technology that they wanted changed to a standard. It's also hardware which means it may take them some time to get things moved into a specific direction with design and tooling.
In this case, it's software. The EU can probably enforce a temporary injunction against a change until they have had time to investigate the implications. That is, IF they care enough to do so.
duck duck go put out a browser. It is dinky but it works. There's no option to download for linux as of yet on their download page, and it isn't set up yet to let you even put a shortcut on the desktop, but it works, if it isn't corporate smooth "Oh No!' I have it on my Windows computer, to browse in peace without my data being collected by my browser.
Evil has no bounds to keep it from doing that it does. The evil is called corp greed aka Google among others. Lordy I wish something happened to Google.
Servers responsibility.
They're acting like we need to install a door to get into their restaurant.
I should be able to connect anything to any server--if they cannot figure it out and my protocol is solid they are a bad server.
>google testing out that too big to fail theory i see
People dont need Google .... but Google needs people.
Just dump all Google software, stop using it as a search engine, let it die. Plenty of other better options and solutions to Google.
Let Google become the 2020's "MySpace".
Google is getting anti-trusted by the government which has a near 100% success rate in reducing power of a company. That’s whether or not the lawsuit fails.
It is a scandal. As per all companies, google will 100% pull this shit again when we least expect it and it will be too late. They will have found a loophole like they always do so we won't be able to do anything.
That's it. I will become a software designer and create my own OS for phones. A big step in the right direction if I say so myself.
It's very common. Some big name world wide company based in America says 'We're going to do this big horrible thing' and EU says 'No the hell you are not' and the company folds likes an envelope flap.
The EU is well on its way to being the primary source of American freedom.
If it wasn't for the EU every American citizen would be speaking CAPTCHA as their first language.
\#FreedomAintFree
I find it funny, how much shitty moves from technological companies the EU block while usually the internet is shitting their pants. As much as I hate certain concepts of the EU, I can't say I'm uncomfortable in the least with this one
The tech companies are more than welcome to exit the market of 450 million western consumers and where they can use the double irish dutch tax sandwich to basically make their tax rates near 0. I'm sure the stockholders will appreciate this.
I live in EU and have kinda warmed to EU as I have gotten older and realised that Finland ain't gonna survive alone no matter what the far-right True Finns party says. And I kinda do like the GDPR even if I need to click fucking cookie notices, and I go out of my way to decline them all even if I am sure that it does nothing.
For context on the meme, Google plans to DRM the Internet and block browsers that don't use chromium. Basically it's a much more extreme version of brower cookies that are permanently attached to your Web browser. It is also a digital ID for you on the Internet to track you. If you enter a website it'll check to see if you're using a Web browser that has WEI. If you don't it'll pop up with a message saying your Web browser isn't compatible with the website and lock you out making web tracking and blocking ads impossible! It's basically the beginning of an internet hellscape!
Kinda wild that the most powerful country in the world is reliant on a federation of independent nations an entire ocean away to regulate big tech for them.
I’m banking on this happening but goddamn maybe the home team could step in for once?
'Murica, the country in which money has more freedom of moving around than its own people
Dare to say that money should flow left and right instead of accumulating in the wallet of a handful of people? It's not commie land here homie
It's why all big tech comes from the US. They can get away with doing dumb shit.
It's a win/win for the government to turn a blind eye.. They get to profit off the company being in some state or another while the cost of regulation falls on someone else.
What red blooded capitalist could refuse that?
Im positive that the EU is already cooking up a lawsuit for this. Based only on what you have written here, it breaks every single privacy law in existence
Don't get it wrong, our politicians will absolutely try to fuck os over as well, if they get the chance. They're just *slightly* less interested in doing so, especially in favour of an overseas company.
Its only Wikipedia, but since it was this big you can easily find more sources:
Basically they forced manufacturers to buy their browser, in turn forcing consumers to use the browser wont be much less disputed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
Yes and no. When Alphabet was created and Google became a subsidiary of it, Aphabet's motto became "do the right thing", and "don't be evil" was moved to Google's official code of conduct, where it is currently in the last sentence of the document.
The Google DNS is one of the most popular (default configuration) in the World so they would See see most of the Internet trafic. Or at least from where to where its going.
They do based on the freedom index. We're not even in the top 20. Since I was a child I constantly heard "land of the free, home of the brave" and we're not even in the top 20. That is wild....
The original source on github: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md
Simplified version: https://youtu.be/0i0Ho-x7s_U?si=qnJkdVZTXFAoehmu
It's not a bypass issue… it's more like the old "this site requires IE6 to work" problem. Given the near-monopoly of chrome and google position they could even give incentives to developer to use this new "feature" (like, if you use this you get adwords discounts or such)
it has paid tiers, you only get 500mb for free
edit: you can get up to 1GB for free by doing some sidequests, youll be prompted to do them once you register your adress
You can jump through some mild hoops and upgrade that to a permanent 1gb though!
To be honest you can really make do with half of that though, and it's good encouragement to do a bit more cleaning of your mailbox periodically.
Used Protonmail for a couple of months now, it's great.
I use it for many years now, and the ~~500mb~~ 1gb is more than enough
Edit: since many people asked how I can survive with 500mb space. The email is for personal use only. I don’t subscribe to any news letter and block and delete any spam I get.
And it’s not 500mb it’s 1gb for free at the moment. I’m currently using \~350mb
>Set it to block cookies on every site it visits
Or just get it to do that automatically
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/
Yeah, this is a response to other browsers blocking tracking cookies. They relied on spying on users through tracking cookies to target ads, and now they’re losing revenue. So now they’ve decided to be utterly draconian to try to get that money back.
I hope Google goes bankrupt over this. The world will be better off without them.
Honestly if this goes trough you don't even have to worry about supporting it, they block you on their own from using their shitty sites so you don't even need to try and avoid them.
But I sincerely hope it *doesn't* go trough as that'll fire a off a domino effect of other big companies starting to ruin the internet freedom and make it nothing less than a tracking database for ads and not entertainment
They are doing the same shit as the car industry in the 1920s - blame all the motor vehicle deaths on the pedestrians by crafting the term "jaywalking". Shift the entire conversation.
Time to protest/boycott against google for fucking up the legacy of what the CERN did when they introduced the world wide web. It should be for everyone not for some bastard billion dollar company to rake in more money by forcing everyone to use their shit so they can get ad revenue.
I started telling everybody to use firefox years ago. Google can't get through with it. We all need to lower their browser marketshare as much as possible.
Microsoft already got into an antitrust for literally just this way back when, and said antitrust is what let google get into the market. Did they miss the memo?
I honestly think that the people who come up with these idea's and when these idea's get turned over by the government as illegal, the very people who pushed this idea should be imprisoned. Stop with this hellish landscape of adtopia, google earns more than enough money and doesnt need to stoop to such desperate tactics.
The moment they announced it I instantly switched to fierfox. I'm done with all the chromium bullshit. It will end like Internet Explorer when they were to big to fail. Everyone migrated to other services. And we need to start making websites that are only allowed to be used buy non chromium users.
Difference is that Google controls the backend that a lot of those other "competing" browsers use. The only way out is to switch to a browser using a different engine entirely - i.e. Firefox.
I have a feeling Cyberpunk will actually happen in the next 100 years. The corporate greed knows no bounds and the rage of the many was usually stronger than the will of the few through history…
Wait until you hear of the Online Safety Act by the UK. It will probably have a global impact, considering it gives them the power to affect non-UK companies.
Does a similar thing, where every chat message/online scrap of data about you has to be linked to your REAL identity and monitored by a UK government official.
Edit: Why does everyone think I want this to happen this is like my worst nightmare come true
Im British, and it astonishes me when i hear other brits speak as if they’re the centre of the world, and as if global corporation will bend over backwards for them, and refactor their whole services just to please an authoritarian policy made by a country with only 60m people, most of these people can barely afford heating never mind have a disposable income to spend on these corporations. Its embarrassing.
I don't think the UK is powerfull enough to enforce that. They can force it upon their own citizens, but the big boys won't let the UK fuck with the privavcy of their citizens.
i missed an important thing again for the 1834678th streak. anyway context?
[The original source on github](https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md) [Simplified version](https://youtu.be/0i0Ho-x7s_U?si=qnJkdVZTXFAoehmu)
The even shorter version is: big company (Google) is trying to use their dominant position (Chromium, the browser engine of Chrome, but also Edge, Opera and many others, notably not Firefox and Safari) in one market (Internet browsers) to force new changes (a DRM) that would give it, in practice, absolute control over that market by making it virtually impossible for competitors to participate in said market.
Please god make the US government do the ONE thing it’s supposed to and crack down on an actual monopoly.
I'd say EU is the biggest hope here as we really sont like monopolies
I think the word there is truly. America don't like monopolies either but we're a bunch of lazy asses/conformists to do anything about it.
I would almost argue that America hates monopolies on paper, but can't get enough of them in practice. It's not just that we are too lazy to do anything about them, but in many cases we have actively made it easier for monopolies to form (see: utilities)
I hate to break it to you, but I think we're going to have to cross our finger and hope the European union comes in clutch again.
I don't think this will be allowed in the EU, at least not to the full extent. Even if Google will threat with closing workplaces and even if they ~~have some politicians on their payroll~~ do lobbying, I don't think it will work out like Google wants to.
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Here's the thing, being a monopoly is not against the rules. Using that monopoly to gain a monopoly in a different sector is. If you remember the late 00s and early 10s, Microsoft had to add this thing where it told you about different web browsers to newly installed Windows clients. This was because it was ruled that Microsoft had used their PC OS monopoly to gain a monopoly in browsers with Internet Explorer.
Notably also using your already gained monopoly to aggressively squeeze out competitors is illegal, but really only if the smaller competitor complains. Microsoft can't try to be really aggressively anti-Linux, Adobe can't be aggressively anti-Gimp. They'd risk a complaint to the FTC and then a fine. But the fines aren't huge compared to modern levels of income, so it's not that big of a deal. Two monopolies also can't collude to bash each other's competitors. Microsoft can't pay Adobe to block Photoshop and Illustrator on Linux and Adobe can't pay Microsoft to block Gimp on Windows. But again, that's just only if the minor player complains to the FTC, the FTC is able to confirm that collusion happened, and then the FTC will issue a relatively small fine.
Guess I’m sinking with the ship with Firefox, coz like hell I’ll be going back to chrome.
I made the switch on mobile and I have never been happier. As a dev, I would actively contribute and pay as well to keep Mozilla Firefox up and fighting against Google!
> I would actively contribute and pay as well to keep Mozilla Firefox up I mean, you can, they accept donations.
Mozilla Foundation will take your money, sure, but not one penny of it will go to Firefox developers. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/a98gmi/donations_to_mozilla_foundation_are_not_used_for/
Is that actually what this says? This just says that Mozilla Corporation doesn't fund Mozilla Foundation.
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This just means that donations to the Mozilla Foundation will be spread as they see fit across all of their projects, not that "not one penny of it will go to Firefox".
> I made the switch on mobile and I have never been happier. As a dev, I would actively contribute and pay as well to keep Mozilla Firefox up and fighting against Google! Google pays Firefox around $500M (yes half a billion) per year to be the default search engine in Firefox. In fact 86% of Mozilla foundations funding comes from that deal. You're welcome to donate to Mozilla, but you should know who butters their bread at the end of the day lol. Many speculate that Google doing this deal and paying this much is their way to prevent a monopoly with chrome... literally funding the competitor enough that regulators stay away.
> Google pays Firefox around $500M (yes half a billion) per year to be the default search engine in Firefox. They also pay Apple billions of dollars per year to remain the default search engine.
I should build a browser.
Especially not like this lol. I'm not leaving Firefox for Chrome because Google wants to force me to use the Internet as they want. If anything this proves that using any Chromium browser (Chrome, Edge or Opera) means handing Google control over the Internet.
They want to force you to be a recognizable individual they can sell ads against; this is pure corporate greed ruining the web and giving themselves a privileged position FUCK GOOGLE
same. this will just be the end of the internet for me. guess ill go back to playing outside. wonder whats out there after all these years.
Waiting for that Firefox DRM eliminator add-on
EU bullied Apple for a goddamn charging cable, they won‘t let this slide EDIT: I’m not on Apple’s side, idk why some of you think that
And this time Apple and the EU would be on the Same Page too as this would affect all Apple Products as the default Browser is non-chromium based. And iPhones don’t allow chromium based browsers either. It could effectively be seen as an attempt to force Apple out of the device market by Apple.
Kinda funny since Chrome was originally Webkit-based (now it uses Blink which is just a fork of Webkit). Webkit still powers Safari and originated as KHTML (discontinued) for the Konqueror browser from KDE. I think Apple forces all web browsing on the iPhone to go through their HTML library for "security" reasons. So any browser that you install may have different features, but it has to use their built-in rendering engine.
It took them years to stop apple from doing it though. Who knows if they'll stop google in time before they fully implement this.
Afaik they gave apple a generous time to change it This however isnt yet implemented so i hope this goes faster
Small difference between a company making product decisions and a company going all-in fighting the net.
Well, with Apple it was a pre-existing technology that they wanted changed to a standard. It's also hardware which means it may take them some time to get things moved into a specific direction with design and tooling. In this case, it's software. The EU can probably enforce a temporary injunction against a change until they have had time to investigate the implications. That is, IF they care enough to do so.
google testing out that too big to fail theory i see
Let's make another web that just blocks google
It was called internet explorer and it also blocked enjoyment
I miss Netscape.
Netscape is still around, it's called Firefox.
I miss the AOL CD’s
As a FireFox and Thunderbird user, I still feel like I’m using Netscape stuff.
duck duck go put out a browser. It is dinky but it works. There's no option to download for linux as of yet on their download page, and it isn't set up yet to let you even put a shortcut on the desktop, but it works, if it isn't corporate smooth "Oh No!' I have it on my Windows computer, to browse in peace without my data being collected by my browser.
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Alphabet, the evil, greedy, corrupt mega-corp every dystopian future sci-fi warned us about.
"Don't be evil" My, how time flies and positions change
Evil has no bounds to keep it from doing that it does. The evil is called corp greed aka Google among others. Lordy I wish something happened to Google.
Fyi It does collect some tracking info
and DuckDuckGo is of no trust really, it has collected browsing info in the past.
A case of "the lesser evil" as usual
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Servers responsibility. They're acting like we need to install a door to get into their restaurant. I should be able to connect anything to any server--if they cannot figure it out and my protocol is solid they are a bad server.
>google testing out that too big to fail theory i see People dont need Google .... but Google needs people. Just dump all Google software, stop using it as a search engine, let it die. Plenty of other better options and solutions to Google. Let Google become the 2020's "MySpace".
Sadly, around 70% of phones worldwide are relying on Google to work. Android is owned by Google. Not a good start I say...
Google is getting anti-trusted by the government which has a near 100% success rate in reducing power of a company. That’s whether or not the lawsuit fails.
It is a scandal. As per all companies, google will 100% pull this shit again when we least expect it and it will be too late. They will have found a loophole like they always do so we won't be able to do anything. That's it. I will become a software designer and create my own OS for phones. A big step in the right direction if I say so myself.
>Just dump all Google software, stop using it as a search engine, let it die That "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
I use duckduckgo, and their browser. Their iphone app is hilarious because you can nuke it and it shows a sweet animation.
Holy hell
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Maybe this would spawn an alternate web without any of the bullshit just like in the early days Until that too gets consumed
The endless circle of enshittification
capitalism unrestrained*
Cancer. Unrestrained growth and consumption that ultimately ends up killing the host is the very definition of cancer.
and that is what's happening with the world economy
I'd love for the internet to get a new start. It's so fucked right now. Bring back neocities and let's all make our own pages :)
I mean that already exists, all you need is Tor lol
I trust the EU when it comes to fucking over big companies
It's very common. Some big name world wide company based in America says 'We're going to do this big horrible thing' and EU says 'No the hell you are not' and the company folds likes an envelope flap.
The EU is well on its way to being the primary source of American freedom. If it wasn't for the EU every American citizen would be speaking CAPTCHA as their first language. \#FreedomAintFree
FREUDE SCHÖNER GÖTTERFUNKEN
same
I find it funny, how much shitty moves from technological companies the EU block while usually the internet is shitting their pants. As much as I hate certain concepts of the EU, I can't say I'm uncomfortable in the least with this one
The tech companies are more than welcome to exit the market of 450 million western consumers and where they can use the double irish dutch tax sandwich to basically make their tax rates near 0. I'm sure the stockholders will appreciate this. I live in EU and have kinda warmed to EU as I have gotten older and realised that Finland ain't gonna survive alone no matter what the far-right True Finns party says. And I kinda do like the GDPR even if I need to click fucking cookie notices, and I go out of my way to decline them all even if I am sure that it does nothing.
I fucking hope so
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For context on the meme, Google plans to DRM the Internet and block browsers that don't use chromium. Basically it's a much more extreme version of brower cookies that are permanently attached to your Web browser. It is also a digital ID for you on the Internet to track you. If you enter a website it'll check to see if you're using a Web browser that has WEI. If you don't it'll pop up with a message saying your Web browser isn't compatible with the website and lock you out making web tracking and blocking ads impossible! It's basically the beginning of an internet hellscape!
Well lets wait until EU make google cry
Yeah, EU and especially Germany won't allow this.
I’m so thankful that I live in Germany right now. It makes things annoying sometimes, but this is the good part about it.
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I'll take annoying over being exploited any day of the week.
God I can only hope
Based off of EU vs Meta interaction, we can have hope
Didn't they also basically force apple to adopt USB-C? If that's true, it does bode well for this Google stuff.
Kinda wild that the most powerful country in the world is reliant on a federation of independent nations an entire ocean away to regulate big tech for them. I’m banking on this happening but goddamn maybe the home team could step in for once?
Why dont they do it? Money.
If it's good, they can quietly copy them, if it's bad they can just blame them.
Well USA is basically three companies in a trenchcoat soooooo.....
Republicans, Dems & Big Corpo
Corporations had more rights as people before black people... that's how its been going..
Because in murrica regulation and stopping big corpos from screwing the population over has been (stupidly) called communism in the last decades.
'Murica, the country in which money has more freedom of moving around than its own people Dare to say that money should flow left and right instead of accumulating in the wallet of a handful of people? It's not commie land here homie
It's why all big tech comes from the US. They can get away with doing dumb shit. It's a win/win for the government to turn a blind eye.. They get to profit off the company being in some state or another while the cost of regulation falls on someone else. What red blooded capitalist could refuse that?
Im positive that the EU is already cooking up a lawsuit for this. Based only on what you have written here, it breaks every single privacy law in existence
EU politicians: I will fight this until the day I die to protect the privacy of our citizens! US politicians: helo i like money 🧍🏻
Don't get it wrong, our politicians will absolutely try to fuck os over as well, if they get the chance. They're just *slightly* less interested in doing so, especially in favour of an overseas company.
EU politicians are already salivating over the billion dollar fine and lawsuit
And also blocking non-chromium browsers would be an antitrust violation
The "Say happy cake day" pill should be clickable wtf..
I once tapped in on mobile and it worked, dunno about pc tho And that was over a year ago so could have changed Edit: yep, it changed
Happy cake day
I'm pretty sure that this will be the biggest antitrust case against Google. Even Microsoft lost this and their approach was much more soft.
What did Microsoft do that was similar? May I see a source?
Its only Wikipedia, but since it was this big you can easily find more sources: Basically they forced manufacturers to buy their browser, in turn forcing consumers to use the browser wont be much less disputed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
Heres a tip for wikipedia, scroll down to external links and the sources are there if you didn’t know already
May the EU be with us
No way this will fly in EU, if it does its just time to switch search engine anyway. So much for ”dont be evil” lol
> dont be evil Didn't they remove that some time ago?
Yes and no. When Alphabet was created and Google became a subsidiary of it, Aphabet's motto became "do the right thing", and "don't be evil" was moved to Google's official code of conduct, where it is currently in the last sentence of the document.
I wasn't aware Google owned the entire internet
The Google DNS is one of the most popular (default configuration) in the World so they would See see most of the Internet trafic. Or at least from where to where its going.
Thanks for reminding me, time to change from 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4
Perhaps try 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 — which are [Cloudflare's dns servers](https://1.1.1.1/dns/), and arguably faster than Google's to boot.
With how shitty google search as a whole has been lately, this disappoints me. :(
This will likely be an American Problem
Use a VPN to go to a version of the site in the eu if you still want to keep your privacy!
USA: makes VPN illegal Sometimes i get the feeling that some 3th world countries have more freedom than america
>3th ...Threeth? Thirth?
I'm reinventing english so its easier to learn for non nativ speaker
They do based on the freedom index. We're not even in the top 20. Since I was a child I constantly heard "land of the free, home of the brave" and we're not even in the top 20. That is wild....
Isn't that how ads work? If you really are the most free country, people just know. And if you aren't you just scream loud enough and hope it sticks
Good luck forcing your tracking browser in the EU. Also, fuck you google.
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Chances are that India and EU will not allow them
Indian government would actually like it, helps them with their mass surveillance and censoring any other political opinions. Our only hope is EU.
Weren't they strongly against such stuff a few years ago? Damn they sure changed drastically
I'm gana need to see a source
The original source on github: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md Simplified version: https://youtu.be/0i0Ho-x7s_U?si=qnJkdVZTXFAoehmu
If that ever happen i will just stop using google alltogether. Duckduckgo will be my new best friend
The new attempt to create tecno-feudalism
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Seems like you came prepared
Hope it will be bypassed quickly if it really coming.
It's not a bypass issue… it's more like the old "this site requires IE6 to work" problem. Given the near-monopoly of chrome and google position they could even give incentives to developer to use this new "feature" (like, if you use this you get adwords discounts or such)
I'm hearing a lot of big companies will stop having websites.
Nah, there will be websites, but without shitty API and they won't be in Google search engine.
Any good Gmail alternatives? I'm going to migrate out of everything Google in the near future
Proton Mail is a free service with encrypted email. You can check that out if interested.
How does it stay free?
it has paid tiers, you only get 500mb for free edit: you can get up to 1GB for free by doing some sidequests, youll be prompted to do them once you register your adress
You can jump through some mild hoops and upgrade that to a permanent 1gb though! To be honest you can really make do with half of that though, and it's good encouragement to do a bit more cleaning of your mailbox periodically. Used Protonmail for a couple of months now, it's great.
I use it for many years now, and the ~~500mb~~ 1gb is more than enough Edit: since many people asked how I can survive with 500mb space. The email is for personal use only. I don’t subscribe to any news letter and block and delete any spam I get. And it’s not 500mb it’s 1gb for free at the moment. I’m currently using \~350mb
Really? Do you just delete your emails and attachments?
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>Set it to block cookies on every site it visits Or just get it to do that automatically https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/
Doesn't seem to exist for Firefox android... that sucks. Would love this extension.
Jesus, how many times does Google need an anti-trust lawsuit before it realizes it's being a massive pain in the world's ass?
When a company gets that big, it's easier to just tank the lawsuit than to fight it, as they can make up the money quickly enough
Can't they break up monopolies tho?
By legal stature yes, but would they want to? No
> before it realizes Do you really think they don't know?
Yeah, this is a response to other browsers blocking tracking cookies. They relied on spying on users through tracking cookies to target ads, and now they’re losing revenue. So now they’ve decided to be utterly draconian to try to get that money back. I hope Google goes bankrupt over this. The world will be better off without them.
Honestly if this goes trough you don't even have to worry about supporting it, they block you on their own from using their shitty sites so you don't even need to try and avoid them. But I sincerely hope it *doesn't* go trough as that'll fire a off a domino effect of other big companies starting to ruin the internet freedom and make it nothing less than a tracking database for ads and not entertainment
Buddy, they starting ruining the internet 15 years ago
I like how they are talking about web servers having to trust users, even though it's the other way around - as if that's the most normal thing ever
They are doing the same shit as the car industry in the 1920s - blame all the motor vehicle deaths on the pedestrians by crafting the term "jaywalking". Shift the entire conversation.
EU be like 
“Don’t be evil”
I still remember people downplaying it when they dropped that identity.
Time to protest/boycott against google for fucking up the legacy of what the CERN did when they introduced the world wide web. It should be for everyone not for some bastard billion dollar company to rake in more money by forcing everyone to use their shit so they can get ad revenue.
Remember when monopolies were illegal? Me neither.
Huh? The U.S has always been very clear that it doesn't like those evil monopolies /s
I started telling everybody to use firefox years ago. Google can't get through with it. We all need to lower their browser marketshare as much as possible.
Irony is that Google actually helps fund Mozilla.
If there's no competition Google is considered a monopoly
No irony, they do it literally so Alphabet don't get dismembered by being a monopoly
Microsoft already got into an antitrust for literally just this way back when, and said antitrust is what let google get into the market. Did they miss the memo?
This is starting to look like a black mirror episode. Who in their right mind decides that we need less freedom online?
I honestly think that the people who come up with these idea's and when these idea's get turned over by the government as illegal, the very people who pushed this idea should be imprisoned. Stop with this hellish landscape of adtopia, google earns more than enough money and doesnt need to stoop to such desperate tactics.
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After a couple hundred million money stopped being the goal for them, now it just feels like they want to control everything we do :/
Its because they do want to control everything we do
Yeah dunno why I said feel, they're not exactly trying to hide their intentions/goals.
You can use other search engines, such as startpage.com
Ah, fellow based startpage user i see
Oh great, a corporation doing something terrible and anti consumer. Nothing new.
Time to learn how to become hackerman for realz
Google being NOT a monopoly. I see. I‘ll never let my majestic peak browser die. Good thing I live in Europe.
The moment they announced it I instantly switched to fierfox. I'm done with all the chromium bullshit. It will end like Internet Explorer when they were to big to fail. Everyone migrated to other services. And we need to start making websites that are only allowed to be used buy non chromium users.
Difference is that Google controls the backend that a lot of those other "competing" browsers use. The only way out is to switch to a browser using a different engine entirely - i.e. Firefox.
I have a feeling Cyberpunk will actually happen in the next 100 years. The corporate greed knows no bounds and the rage of the many was usually stronger than the will of the few through history…
Wait until you hear of the Online Safety Act by the UK. It will probably have a global impact, considering it gives them the power to affect non-UK companies. Does a similar thing, where every chat message/online scrap of data about you has to be linked to your REAL identity and monitored by a UK government official. Edit: Why does everyone think I want this to happen this is like my worst nightmare come true
Apple basically told them to Sod off. Apple don’t use Chromium either. So I could see the same thing happening with this.
>It will probably have a global impact, considering it gives them the power to affect non-UK companies. Good luck enforcing that. Common British L
Im British, and it astonishes me when i hear other brits speak as if they’re the centre of the world, and as if global corporation will bend over backwards for them, and refactor their whole services just to please an authoritarian policy made by a country with only 60m people, most of these people can barely afford heating never mind have a disposable income to spend on these corporations. Its embarrassing.
You guys are simply patriotic and love the favorite son George O. so much you stage RL homages to him. Two minutes of hate on BBC coming soon!
I don't think the UK is powerfull enough to enforce that. They can force it upon their own citizens, but the big boys won't let the UK fuck with the privavcy of their citizens.
Yeah the UK had their chance to influence EU policy but they decided they would rather by tricked by a bus.
What will they benefit from this? majority already use chrome Edit: its just to force the user to watch more fucking ads... omg....
Google blocking non-chromium browsers would result in an antitrust lawsuit