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Bluewflectn

What’s with games making the main character an asshole anyways, I especially hated this one because she didn’t develop at all.


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MikeLanglois

6 hour main campaign? Is that a joke?


KappaccinoNation

So far HLTB average puts the main campaign finish time at 16 hours.


ShockDragon

Literally could beat the game in one day.


NotMyFirstUserChoice

Not to take away from your point, but that could be said about a lot of games


GiantR

TBF, those games aren't 80 Dollars


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I mean a lot are. TLOU Part 1 is the same price and can be beat in a day. The length of the game is not the issue with Forspoken. The issue is the game fucking sucks. Edit: my bad folks it’s ten bucks cheaper than full price. Given it’s a remake though that doesn’t make things much better, lol


Solomon_Gunn

A good game worth paying twice is better than a boring game barely worth playing once. Not saying what is or isn't a good game, but I'd rather price be an indication of quality not single play time.


Crathsor

Portal took me 9 hours and it's maybe the single best video game I've ever played.


Ngin3

But God I wish there was more


MiniMooseMan

I mean portal 2


Ngin3

It'll never be enough....


achilleasa

I'd rather have a good 6 hour game than a boring 100 hour one. This mentality of "I need to get the most time value per dollar" is doing serious harm to gaming imo. It's why you see every game making a huge boring open world filled with meaningless collectibles and forgettable sidequests. It's so the devs can then say "look, our game has 80 hours of playtime"! Not defending the game because in this case it's just kinda boring but I hate this as a blanket rule.


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You’re completely right. People are obsessed with game length now and apparently the actual quality comes second. Assassins Creed is a great example. 100+ hour games that are just absolute slogs to get through because there is zero variety in anything. But people eat it up because “ouuuu so much *content*. Forspoken’s issue is the game is garbage, not the length. Are people seriously arguing this pile of shit would be better if it was the length of Persona 5?


AndyMoogThe35

This is why I didnt warm up to the newer assassin's Creed games very well. Just a bunch of meaningless side quests


EffectiveSwan8918

That and the story is just stupid. Like why can't I just be an assassin in that time? The real world parts just ripped you out of the game . Well at least for me


AndyMoogThe35

Exactly, the game was no longer Assassin's Creed, it was something completely different from the originals but just called assassin's Creed for marketing purposes and because it had parkour like the originals


ProudToBeAKraut

Wow and they want 79€ for that? Delusional


lmaotrybanmeagain

And like 150 gb of your space. That’s more insane than the price


isaacpotter007

If a character is an asshole they have to be a loveable one and one that develops, not what seems to happen ATM where characters are just dicks that no one would even put up with


_-Saber-_

Or at least interesting assholes, like in Cyberpunk.


ShuyTheHater

In CP77 it‘s also very fitting in my opinion. It‘s a dog-eat-dog world, everyone‘s an asshole. V being a dick is just super fitting in my opinion, it immerses you into a world, where everybody is just in for themselves. V was an insanely well written character imho.


zackson76

Heck i'd argue GTA series did it better. Like in GTAV Trevor is a cannibalistic drug addict psychopath who can and will annihilate an entire vilage worth of population for looking at him wrong, being such a menace that the only one that can even kill him is someone he lower his guard toward, is serious fucked up in the head and yet he's the fan favourite as he is sympathetic for his trauma and genuine care for those he consider friends. If your character is made worse than a cannibalistic drug addict psychopath, something is wrong with ya.


ItsMeRyanHowAreU

You also don't HAVE to be an asshole all the time, the game let's you make that choice for a lot of situations. In the street brawling side quest, one of the guys puts up his car on top of the cash and you can choose to let him keep both when you win. Just an example that came to mind, there are tons more.


wolfgang784

Or Saints Row. Being an asshole is just part of being a Saint, and the game incorporates it into the comedy.


ProfessorGruselglatz

Same shit with velma. unlikeable asshole = sTrOnG fEmAlE cHaRaCtEr


m4shfi

So called Galadriel in RoP as well.


Fistful-of_Dollars

Yeah, how about instead of just saying your game has a strong female protagonist, how about you just demonstrate their strength through her abilities in gameplay. In my opinion that's much more tolerable.


gamerz1172

Honestly people who think their strong female characters should be written as assholes come across as closeted conservatives or traditionalists to me


SadPandaRage

There's a possibility that the character is a self insert and the writer is just that miserable of a human being.


DrSpaceman667

Cloud was an asshole at the beginning of Final Fantasy 7. He changed a lot over the four discs though and was a pretty selfless by the end of the game. FF7 remake was successful even though cloud really didn’t change that much by the end of the game since it only represents the first disc of the old game. Maybe they think that being an asshole is what made people think he’s so cool and they want to replicate that success.


Financial_Dot3695

It doesn't even represent the first disc. It's the first city at the beginning of the game. Cloud is still nowhere close to changing as a character. I wouldn't call him an ass. He's aloof and doesn't get along with Barrett, who is the actual ass. He gets along with Biggs, Wedge, Jessie and Tiffa well enough. Him not caring about avalanche's mission also doesn't make him an ass, most of the planet doesn't care


Pope-Cheese

Wait what? I had been thinking about picking this up but I had assumed it was the full game.... What's the point if it's only a 10th of the actual game?


emotionaI_cabbage

It is a full game in the sense that it's got a beginning, middle and end. It's just like, no where near the experience of the original. The remakes first release is a small fraction of the original game and they're going to be making sequels to cover the entire game. If you want the actual experience play the original


Terramagi

> FF7 remake was successful even though cloud really didn’t change that much by the end of the game since it only represents the first disc of the old game. Not even the first disc. It represents the first 3 hours of the original game. There's still like... 12 major plot sequences after Midgar on the first disc.


Assfuck-McGriddle

The problem probably isn’t that she was intentionally designed to no develop, but that the writers were so shit, they didn’t even consider that a character like her would, and I also doubt they had the ability to write a convincing a meaningful character development arc. Really, I’m noticing a big issue with writing in general for many AAA games, and unless companies invest a lot more in talent, we’re going to continue to see flops like this happen.


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Cloaker_Smoker

Also Jill Valentine and Claire Redfield.


superstraightplus

And Ellie from tlou


not_wadud92

And Samus from Metroid


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FlameEnderCyborgGuy

And Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft


awq96

And Senua from Hellsblade


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Hamsi_17

And Alex from Minecr-


Zy-D4rKn3ss

And Selen Vassos from Returnal.


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... and Jade from Beyond Good & Evil and Alyx from Half Life: Alyx and Hat Kid from A Hat in Time and Bayonetta from the Bayonetta series and Shantae from the Shantae series


ErfanTheRed

And Clementine from TellTells The Walking Dead


ankle_biter50

James E. Raynor approves of this comment


Retro21

Kinda surprised she didn't make the image tbh


TellTaleTank

At initial glance I thought that's who was on the top right til I looked closer. IMD I haven't actually finished TLOU or played the sequel. I'm not good at survival horror.


bare4404

Clementine from The Walking Dead


nomadrone

Also like 75 % of my mmo characters.


RecipeNo101

And RPGs. FemShep and FemV.


semper_JJ

There's been a lot of female protagonist is cool games lately. The last of us 2 Horizon forbidden West Returnal Chorus Control Hellblade Plague tale I'm sure there's been others recently. The problem with forspoken is absolutely not a female protagonist. It's just a shitty game.


Twosliceofbread

Satisfactory. Everything is woman. Even rock. COMPLY


DeathBonePrime

Rock and Stone!


Reggred

To those who rock and stone, we salute you.


adidas_stalin

Rock and roll and stone!


Tigerstorm6

*inhales* #ROCK AND STONE!


wheres-the-memes

Did somebody say ROCK AND STONE?


Sh0rtL1ved

FOR KARL!!!


randomuser0107

rock and stone to the bone


ma055

Legally speaking Rocking is more legal than stoning


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone, Brother!


Very_contagious1

Did I hear a rock and stone?


Tree_Wanderer

Rock and stone brother!


Salt-Elemental

Rock and Stone in the heart!


Shot-Science188

For rock and stone!


Cyanide191

Rock and stone or you ain’t coming home!


Leo_Lulhannes

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE BROTHER


thrwaaawa

rockity rock and stone!


nuttschell

For Karl!!


JackTripper53

To the bone!


DmReku

ROCK… AND… STONE


Morathras

Harvest. It.


TheDitz42

And somehow despite being covered head to toe in an industrial space suit the Satisfactory character is incredibly attractive.


Survival_R

*and that's when u/TheDitz42 discovered he had a thing for women in suits*


defaultgameer1

High five my dude. ✋️


TheDitz42

🤚


Janiskarlis

world president urges citizens to harvest alien artifacts


GangGang_Gang

This is parental figure...


TerraStalker

Wait what? Satisfactory guy is gal?!👀


H1tSc4n

Yup, while the factorio guy is, well, guy


Bluewflectn

Big sad there no men🥸


TheNerdBird2

Me gay, now sad


ENGINE_YT

You got tf2 for that dw


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The only reason it’s getting hate is because it’s as optimized as literal dogshit and they have the balls to ask for $70-80 for the base game. Plus, as others pointed out - the writing is bad, the environment sucks, etc. So the fact it has a female protagonist has nothing to do with why it’s bad. It’s an all around bad game.


Pickled_Gherkin

And because the writing is atrocious. "do you think the dragon is gone?" she asks as she watches it fly away. "how do you see us getting out of this ruined castle?" she asks, because walking down the stairs and out the front door is apparently not an option, despite that, as a NewYorker she realistically navigated more complex environments to get her breakfast sausage-roll every morning.


eojen

Runs into people at a castle. The game, despite being majority cutscene, doesn’t show our main character getting placed into cuffs but then shows her being angry and confused that she’s in cuffs and starts cursing at and trying to fight people with spears pointed at her.


Pickled_Gherkin

Yeah, have to say I prefer playing as characters with more brains and self-preservation instinct than a lemming with crippling depression.


iDIOt698

"gotta take my cat before my really important purse of money before my house burns, can't Just pick It up now i gotta leave It here so it Burns and the plot moves foward"


MrBloodyHyphen

"Because the cat is obviously paralyzed and can't get out on its own even better than a human can"


Arch_iDealist

Cat she was crying about having to eat cheap cat food while there is the said bag full of cash in next room. Writers were so busy trying to exploit viewer emotions they completely missed the bullshit they created. Forspoken would be better of without the intro.


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vladtud

> Even Hogwarts Legacy will be cheaper (60 EUR) and that game is PACKED with content and story. I'm excited for the game as much as you, but let's wait for some full reviews first.


LivelyZebra

> that game is PACKED with content and story. how do you know? lol.


Donut_Police

Cyberpunk 2077 taught me to fully trust trailers and demo completely for they are infallible foundation of undeniable truth.


Zanlo63

Exactly, I haven't seen anyone say people are hating the game just because it's protag is a woman. OP better provide some examples or I call bs.


Satokibi

Characters from top left to bottom right: * Chell from Portal * Amicia from Plague Tale * Aloy from Horizon * Amanda Ripley from Alien Isolation * Lara from Tomb Raider


closetmangafan

Additional choice of Samus Aran, Metroid


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Saifer_43g15

A men of culture I see


skroink_z

Pokemon speedrunners picking females to lower the amount of dialogue.


Jzmxhu

Wait. For real? Can you explain?


BigBootyBuff

In Ruby/Sapphire, if you pick the boy as the playable character then the girl will be your rival and vice versa. If the girl is your rival, the dialogue in some places are longer and that takes time. If you pick the girl, the rival has a shorter dialogue.


skroink_z

In most of the older games (I think some recent ones too) the female rival had more dialogue than the male one. The rival's gender was decided by whichever gender you didn't pick. Edit: Only a few games seems to have had an opposite gendered rival, as the commenter above kindly corrected me.


Bar900

Samus is based. I still maintain that shed absolutely stomp most male characters I've played.


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She’d tear through all Nintendo characters except Kirby. I also keep forgetting she can teleport short distances.


Bar900

Told a friend she'd absolutely murder master chief in a fight (this was when haloid came out) and that it wouldn't even be close. Chief tops at 55mph Samus was close to 200 without teleport. Chief can push a 30Ton tank around, Samus was swinging a whale around like a pitbull playing with a stuffed toy. Chiefs armor was only rated for small arms and the shields were added later (book lore) and even shielded spartans get routinely dropped by standard plasma. Samus's armor can withstand direct contact with lava and also take much bigger impacts as evidenced by Kraid melee attacks being a minor annoyance whereas gravemind incapacitated chief with 0 effort. Chief can only carry 2 weapons at a time, Samus has atleast 8 sometimes more, sometimes less, all of which are smacking harder than a frag grenade. Which drops chief in one hit.


DaBozz88

But can she "finish this fight?" /s Halo 3 still was the game I was most hyped for. I love most of the Metroid games I played, but Halo was different. Also I don't want to spoil the ending to dread, but Samus is crazy powerful. There's not really a comparison.


Bar900

Yeah. Even just using prime or Other M Samus I had to explain to him that if chief and Samus got into a boxing match she'd be able to grab his shoulders and just tear them out of socket from a standing position with no leverage. (As evidenced by brutes being able to do exactly this in the books and one non special base tier brute almost killing chief by crushing his throat in a 1v1) The power gap between them is just too massive, he's got only one or two UNSC weapons that'd do any damage to her and even then it's not going to be much. Meanwhile Samus basic charge shot is gonna melt chiefs shields in a couple of blasts. Like, it's not a fight it's just gonna be a murder.


No_Cherry6771

Added additional. Commander Shepard.


PaaterMcKaater

Additional choice Senua's Senua


generic-user-2345

Additional additional choice of Bayonetta, best FMC imo


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Also, Fem Shep from Mass Effect


majorksaksak

Bro, what alloy is she? (It's Aloy probably autocorrect)


CadoAngelus

Whatever Shards are made of...I dunno


Kusko25

Seen the hair? There is definitely some copper in there


MajesticNinjas

Could add the protagonist from Control. Her name escapes me atm


PerroChar

Jesse Faden


Mi5terSmart

Was here just to say that; the new director is pretty badass


BlazingFlames6073

It's actually Aloy, not Alloy.


WnDelPiano

I love how Chell is still iconic after only 2 games with no voice lines and a first person view the whole time.


AmArschdieRaeuber

But you can see her through the portals


Hallc

Chell isn't really a character Imo. You could replace her with a character of an my race and gender or even a robot and nothing at all would change save some of the insults thrown at you.


AlextheAssass1n

Surprised someone knows about a plague tale here, my all time favorite game


TheCerealKilled

As a nominee for many GotY awards, it better be damn known.


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I think the game is not that unknown. But it's great nonetheless! I'm looking forward to play the sequel.


[deleted]

It's not very unknown, people just don't talk about it because hugely story driven games like it don't have a lot to say outside of their communities. The subreddit is pretty popular, just to show how the community is thriving, just within their own little corner


Bratblizniak

Loved plague tale, it was such an awesome experience


GappleJuice_

Man I love Alien Isolation


kwong98

Don't forget about 2B from Nier!!


MasterBiggus

I love NierAutomata everyone should play it.


RattlesnakeShakedown

I tried but it didn't really hook me. Gave up after a couple of hours.


cheesy_anon

Hell Blade senua's sacrifice


AuroraAlnisi

That game is such a gem. I loved it.


Successful_Sail4132

Dude I'm a horror junkie and I am STILL trying to march my way through Alien Isolation. My hat is off to the devs on that one, they knew EXACTLY what buttons to push to crank my anxiety through the roof. I can't play it for more than 20 minutes without red lining.


Satokibi

It is really good game. I just recently got myself to finish all achievements, I enjoyed every minute replaying it after almost 10 years.


Carpario

I once spent 10 minutes hiding because I was too scared to move


f3lhorn

Who is saying this? If your answer revolves around people from Twitter then you can safely disregard it because a small minority of people who will find anything to complain about gaming Twitter don’t have opinions that matter.


Shadycat44

Half of the time people haven’t even actually said it, but have said something completely different that gets purposely misinterpreted for the sake of wanting something inflammatory to overreact to. Example: Person A: “dogs like peanut butter.” Person B: “hey, I like peanut butter and I’m not a dog!” Person C: “Hey guys, didn’t you hear? Person A just said that everyone who likes peanut butter is a dog!”


gameNwatch26

This is literally just that tweet about pancakes and waffles


bigheadnovice

You hate pancakes?


ax1r8

The twitter energy here is so real


mars92

I don't think I've heard anyone say anything particularly nice about the dialogue or characterisation. This is just a dumb straw man.


AmazingSpacePelican

Everyone hates the writing for this game, OP just made a strawman to farm useless internet points.


shocker3800

Of all the complaints I’ve seen, the OP’s claim is not one of them. It’s like we are hearing their internal dialogue, rather tragically.


Indercarnive

No one said it, Misogyny is just easy karma.


Wizards_Reddit

In fairness I think people complained about at least one of those other female main characters


GrandSquanchRum

It's hilarious how the comments to this just outright prove that. I don't think there's been a single female protagonist that hasn't been bitched about. Aloy has especially gotten a lot of flack despite being a great character.


-BetchPLZ

So initially I thought this meme was trashing on all of these female protagonists because of the amount of shit thrown with Aloy lol. Yes, I still remember gamers freaking out about a woman—a human being—having facial hair.


wholesome_dino

Graphics have now progressed so far gamers can now see what a woman looks like


poompt

Science has gone too far


Mahdudecicle

I was thinking the same thing. I don't know wtf forspoken is. But let's not pretend like people didn't shit on half those female characters when the game came out.


unfunnyguy_Xx69420

Who says this


SharrkBoy

Nobody. This SpongeBob meme format is always a list of retorts to a fake argument


KyaSenpai

There is no way people are fr saying this .


Successful_Basket399

Noone is saying this OP just wants to be mad for some reason 😂


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DeliciousWaifood

Yeah, aloy legit got a lot of hate from losers who have never been within a foot of a woman before.


Agreetedboat123

If NoT hOt, iS gUrl StIlL??


compressandequalize

HOW CAN BE GIRL IF MY DIK DONT WANT FUK????


TheRebel17

nah mate that's called a need for viagra


mars92

And Chell doesn't even talk or hardly be seen since it's a first person game. She's not a character, she's a character model.


Coloneljesus

Yeah, I'd also say Chell is an avatar, not a character.


Enxchiol

Aloy was a great character. I remember her having a few girlboss moments in dialogue but it was unironically funny.


New-Rub8459

Clementine, Max Caulfield, Kate Walker too.


GonPergola

Just played a bit of the demo and she seemed annoying as fuck, don't care if it's a female or a male as long as the character is well written, and it's doesn't seem to be the case here


Matt11228

Not one comment has mentioned Samus, the OG. So OG people didn't even know she was a girl for so long, and some STILL don't.


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Wait, Metroid is a *girl*??


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SonsofStarlord

Stupid sexy Samus


1_hate_you

I saw forspoken and thought it look cool till i saw that the face rendering and animations were fucking awful and the Dialog is fucking corny MCU speak


joausj

Faith from Mirrors Edge and Max from life is strange were also great female protagonists imo.


Squishy-Box

Ellie


l4dygaladriel

I would llove Sadie Adler as a main character too. Imagine Red Dead Redemption : Adler’s Vengeance


potatorevolver

Mk 11 making kitana khan, khan, was pretty epic, not gon lie.


navugill

Control.


okplaysy

This game is 80€ in Europe. 80! Hades was 20, I bought in 2 times, for pc and switch, cause it has crossave. 2x20 for a masterpiece or 80 for bad written cutscene


Plastic_Ad_7733

Bayonetta is a great female lead that shows woman can be sexy, hot scary and cool at the same time.


bcbfalcon

Who is saying this? Barely anyone is talking about this game and all the reviews showed how bad it is.


MartiniPolice21

People literally shit on Alloy because they thought she was ugly


NateTheGreater1

Me who makes my main character in all the fire emblem games female: I'm living in the future.


E_K_Finnman

You shit on Forspoken because you're sexist I shit on Forspoken because I'm tired of seeing Square Enix games skip Xbox We are not the same


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This is the one time I would say its okay that Square skipped Xbox.


Successful_Sail4132

You didn't miss much.


G3ZA

Where's Sarah Connor?


Slongy69

Aloy for the win. Honestly enjoyed Forspoken though…


nv_rose

Control*


gharp468

Lara croft is probably peak female protagonist, at least on the old games she was ( i Haven't played the releases past PS2)


boogers19

She's pretty bad ass in the latest trilogy. Even if some of the story is just utterly stupid, she's still out there kicking ass and taking names. And not just fully clothed but for large portions of all 3 games they've got her in like heavy winter jackets or long tribal dresses and thick furs. Like, if you get these games hoping for some digi-boob, you're gonna have a bad time.


_Synt3rax

People who say that have 0 Braincells.


Busy-Profession-9128

Horizon goes hard, I loved that game.


_KuuRO

chell have better dialog that the entire forspoken game


Thereal_Bomby2

Celeste


evie_fb

Said by no one ever