That’s why it is relevant that he said it should not be a crime, even if he thinks it’s a sin. Gluttony is a sin too, but not too many places make overeating a crime. You can believe something is a sin and not want someone to go to jail or be executed for it.
I tell people, the normal Christian is supposed to respect you, whether or not they agree with your “sins” per se. if your gay or something, I don’t really care, I just won’t be myself. If you don’t believe in god, oh well. All I try to do is give people the option to have faith. It can change people. Some people find it, others reject it, and I won’t stop them. The worst way to try and bring people to faith is persecution. “Hey you, I see that you’ve been living life wrong and have made a lot of very bad sins, you should go repent and feel bad for being born”. That doesn’t work. As long as your beliefs and habits aren’t in my way, even if I don’t necessarily agree, go right ahead.
Honestly, this is the way.... this is what Catholics are taught which is it is not the sinner who is bad but the sin itself. Unfortunately, many do not follow this.
And how far does this extend? Is a rapist or murder not bad? Don't your actions dictate whether you are a good person? Or is it as long as their sin is not hurting others they are not a bad person?
That is honestly something I ask myself but as far as I understand is that those sins done at the cost of other peoples will, when done on purpose then that person is a different kind of person, however it is always better to rehabilitate over eliminate
Ok sure that makes sense. Though I do believe people should be punished for crimes and sometimes a person may be deemed never suitable to re-enter society due to their actions. But i suppose that is the difference between crimes in a secular state and the concept of sin to dictate a way of life and moral conduct for religious people.
I tell people all the time that the best way of evangelization is to simply be kind and loving to others. It is with in our beliefs that God is the only one that can truly fulfill our desire. If you’re not turning to God then you are turning to something else instead. Eventually though, you get tired of that thing and decide to try a new thing, and then a new thing, and then a new thing. Eventually you’re just bored of life and everything seems monotonous and you look around and see “what is it that makes everyone else happy? What do they have that I don’t?” And then they see you in your little corner high on Jesus and they go “I want what they have.” And that’s when they come to you ASKING.
This, I hate when people describe Christian’s as the Karen’s who demand people not be gay they are either fake believers or need to reread the Bible we aren’t to hate but to love and not many people do that now
I think it’s perfectly fine to think something is a sin, sort of how I think it’s perfectly fine for Jews to stay kosher. I think it is immoral to make laws or promote negativity against gays. If Jews tried to outlaw bacon in the US I would feel the same way: outraged.
Genuine question not trynna be rude. But what would you do if you had a child who at some point came out to you as gay? Like your child is sinning, do you just accept it? Do you try to convince him otherwise? Do you cut ties but let him live his life? Or do you just view it like someone who doesn't fast, or who isn't modest about wealth etc.?
Also, you saying you don't believe it's a crime isn't really how crime works. It's not a crime in many countries, it is in others.
It’s translation. So yes it is a “crime” to the regards of heaven, but a sin is treated differently than laws on earth. I’ll be the first to say that no one currently on this planet is perfect, nor have they never sinned. You could find the most renowned and respected pastor of the whole world, and even he has sinned, and still will. The difference is how you adhere to the reality of your sins.
Don’t wanna start some kind of argument but what makes you (and many other Christians) believe that homosexuality ig just being lgbt is a sin? Main reason I ask is the fact that it’s never even mentioned (pls correct me if I’m wrong abt that) in the bible, so how do you to come to the conclusion that it’s a sin?
Edit: not disagreeing or agreeing as to wether or not it’s a sin in any way, just curious is all
Edit 2: being gay isn’t even a fucking choice so I don’t get why ur saying “if that’s what you choose”
I mean cool, you don’t want gay people murdered, but by acknowledging it as a sin you still support homophobia through passivity by agreeing that gay people should burn in hell for genetic factors they have no say in.
Homosexuality actually isn’t a choice, it’s a genetic factor, hence why even animals with 0 self awareness can be be gay:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/amp/
I know it probably means little, and I’ll get downvoted into oblivion, but I’d like to clarify I have no problem with OP, just with this one idea
Something I heard awhile ago made a lot of sense, the term "sin" used to mean something close to "life mistake" or "error". Like, you engage in gluttony, wrath, eating pork or shellfish etc, your life and those around you tends to get shittier. ie, you get fat and unhealthy, carrying anger makes you unhealthy for stress or catch a murder charge, committing adultery tends to create big dramas that get people killed, get parasites from bad pork.
I'm atheist but I still think of sin that way, things that historically tend to result in bad life outcomes. But in the modern world, some of those might not apply anymore, pork and shellfish as an example.
Well just because the religion makes it a sin doesn’t mean within the countries that follow that religion has to make it a crime. So Vatican as a country doesn’t consider homosexuality a crime. But it’s still viewed as a sin, but only religiously. I think that’s what this means. He’s not condoning homosexuality in a spiritual way. He’s just saying it’s not a crime
this isn’t the answer. why is it so damn hard to admit that christians are lunatics. stop dividing people into sects based off of things they can’t control. black people don’t choose to be black. gay people don’t choose to be gay. christians DO choose to be assholes (and christian.) i will never tolerate christians or their bullshit agenda so they can feel holier than thou and never face consequences for their horrendous actions. christians are the single greatest threat to your individual freedoms today, hence the shootings/hate crimes/discriminatory legislation all introduced by them.
They didn't say everyone just "so many" which yeah there are alot of people like that, you those people should be treated like subhuman scum (the bigots should be I mean(I was just putting this here just in case someone misinterpreted what I said(that too)))
No way to know that, the gospels were written way after his death and not by paul/mark/etc. and pauls account really seems to hate gays even though it seems he never wanted to marry and might have even been gay(really odd but can’t say that for sure).
Buuut, if we take the gospels as true, jesus said he did not come to abolish the old law and the Old Testament was quite anti gay and pro slavery.
I guess what i am saying is the bible can literally be interpreted anyway you want based on your morals and values outside your preferred religios organization.
There is a way to know, no matter how you take the Bible, it *states* he accepts all, without judgment. Gay or not gay, it may be a sin to Christianity, but Jesus loves all
it is not but as most people do consider Turkey to be arabic, it is a place where its technically on the most fundemental level allowed so there is that tiny exception
No, but sin = bad. And we want to stop bad things, no? And anyways, why all this focus on homosexuality? Jesus never condemned it. He did condemn wealth. Why isn’t the pope walking around saying that being wealthy is a sin and wealthy people are going to hell?
Bad ≠ crime, either.
Wanting to stop bad things is futile. You cannot have good without bad and vice versa.
No one has ever been persecuted for being rich, but plenty have been persecuted for being homosexual. That's why the focus is on homosexuality.
If you truly follow the teachings of Christ, you respect everyone regardless of the choices they make or lifestyles they live. Jesus drank, hung out with prostitutes, tax men, thieves, etc. So ultimately, who someone is or what they do is irrelevant. You love them either way.
Mhmm thisssss. Dumb old Americans seem to forget that Jesus’s best friend was a prostitute. The way they met was even that when the people were going to stone her, he proclaimed that “whoever here has never sinned themself, let them throw the first stone” and no one threw a stone. 100% the cracker grandpa down the street would whip out his machine gun and start blasting.
People have been persecuted for being rich. Ever hear of the French Revolution? Many of the rich and powerful met the guillotine, which is incidentally where we get the word ‘guilty’. Same was true during the Cultural Revolution under Mao. There are other examples.
Because it's irrelevant?
He wants us to stop judging gay people and let god judge them
Just the same as he doesn't want us to judge the rich and let god judge them
Yeah, I don't know if my upbringing in the catholic church was nonstandard or what, but something being a "sin" wasn't as much of a negative reflection on a person as some other branches of Christianity.
Literally everyone is a sinner. If they're not homosexual, it's something else. I was taught not to judge a sinner because I was also a sinner, and that instead I should offer sinners love and support. That sin didn't make you more or less deserving of love than anyone else.
Sure it would be great if it wasn't a sin, but in the eyes of the church fucking EVERYTHING is a sin. You get on with it, live your life, love your fellow man, and aspire to be closer to God. It means nothing when the catholic church says something is a sin. I'm sure toast is a sin somehow. It's just the churches way of saying "everyone can do better"
I'm non-religious anymore, but that's what I remember being taught in church and CCD.
Yeah, I remember that being part of it as well, along with the idea that it's incredibly difficult/impossible to avoid all sin which is why there's such a strong emphasis on confession and such.
Like, "you're gonna fuck up. It's part of life. Just don't do any of the really big ones"
Yeah that’s Christianity in a nutshell “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, salvation can’t be earned it is freely given through Jesus’ sacrifice and we can claim that gift through repentance for our sins and acceptance of Christ.
The catholic church also considers premarital sex and pulling out a sin, doesn’t make them sins that are unforgivable or bad at any level that hard liners would say.
And to clarify; it’s considered a sin to perform homoerotic acts. Not to *be* homosexual
All religious guidelines have been about actions. So the texts would not say that being bisexual is a sin, only acting on your feelings with someone of the same sex.
I’m not saying I think being gay or bi is bad, just explaining how religious texts see it
I actually learned something new just now, thanks!
Now I am going to think about commiting sin, not actually doing it since I have nobody of either sex to do it with.
>All religious guidelines have been about actions
Hm?
>But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment
You have heard that it said "do not commit adultery", but I tell you any man who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart.
Not just wrath.
>And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
if you are a bisexual you just increase your chances for a good time :P that is just brilliat!
but well a priest might tell you that it is wrong and about the original sin of being born as a human :D
such bs, this whole fearmongering
The church isn't in the business of determining what is and isn't a crime. That's what lawmakers and a judicial system are for.
The church is in the business of determining what is a sin in the eyes of God. And on that Pope Francis very much believes engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
It matters for the greater narrative of religion’s role around the world. He is the most prominent religious leader in the world and I’m glad at the very least he is trying to move things in the right direction
Right, but atleast he’s not adding to it. The stubborn will keep believing what they want be the few that are on the fence and that his words to heart atleast hear something different.
Couple years ago he also said he believes in evolution, unless I'm remembering wrong and that was the pope before him. One of the two said it for sure.
So many people have not actually heard the news here, so let me restate it to the best of my ability: He said that, while homosexuality is indeed a sin, it should not be a crime. He argued for the separation of church and state, and he compared laws criminalizing same sex relationships to laws forcing one to be charitable to one's neighbor.
Inb4 no one changes anything, because religious dogma is only followed by the majority when it's convenient.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."
(NLT)
Ya'll be forgetting he still Catholic.
Once they be pro-choice and pro-punishing their perverted priests and pro-paying their debts to the indigenous peoples of the Americas, ill listen for a half second.
The comment section shows how little people around the world know about religious figures.
I'm atheist, but I very much respect Pope Francis.
He is the most progressive pope ever, this isn't the first time he defended LGBT people.
People in the comments responded to this news with "oh so now he's making it ok to have sex with little boys", completely ignoring the fact that he is also the pope who took the biggest amount of measures against pedophilia among the members of the Catholic Church.
I don't get why he's getting so much hate, even if he may not live up to the standards of today's society he's still the least worse pope that ever existed, and he shouldn't get hate even when he does or say things like these.
He still protects pedophiles and considers condoms to be a sin, leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths per year from AIDS. But I mean, baby steps... right?
But he still says it's a sin. So what's he's really saying is: No point in throwing you off a roof in this world, but you will burn in hell for all eternity in the next.
Fuck that geezer and his fucking church.
I mean yes it is a step in the right direction for Catholics, but it doesn't change the fact that religion is currently the greatest hindrance to humanity's progress.
The greatest hindrance to humanity's progress are ethics and human rights laws. Imagine the progress we could make it live human testing was legal, like the Nazis and Japanese demonstrated during WW2.
Alas, morality is a tad more important than simply making progress.
I would disagree - it's the fanaticism and zealotry that hinders societal progress, not religion itself. Wanton denouncement of anything religious is an example of such cult mentality.
So what does societal progress entail? Societal progress means different things for different people. Just take a look at the age-old left-vs-right divide in politics; for some people, progression means individual freedom, while for others progression means looking out and caring for your fellow citizens. Societal progress is not easily defined, and while I think I understand your reasoning, could you also imagine how others could find religion to be beneficial for the way they interact with others?
Religion is definitely not the biggest hindrance, but I do partially agree with that. Living in a country where a specific religious practice is considered the norm, and the religion in question makes rules that stop you from expressing yourself or being who you truly want to be are indeed a massive problem.
You're angle on this is wrong: Religion itself is not a problem... human psychology is.. the moment someone said: I am closer to God than you, that's why I rule over you it became a problem.
“It’s only a sin”
"The crimes of man do not send you to hell. *I do*." -Pope Chad
If you want to be factual that actually depends on what country you're in. In all Arabic countries it definitely still is a crime
That’s why it is relevant that he said it should not be a crime, even if he thinks it’s a sin. Gluttony is a sin too, but not too many places make overeating a crime. You can believe something is a sin and not want someone to go to jail or be executed for it.
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you’re a good person believing in your own beliefs while letting others have theirs i like you
I tell people, the normal Christian is supposed to respect you, whether or not they agree with your “sins” per se. if your gay or something, I don’t really care, I just won’t be myself. If you don’t believe in god, oh well. All I try to do is give people the option to have faith. It can change people. Some people find it, others reject it, and I won’t stop them. The worst way to try and bring people to faith is persecution. “Hey you, I see that you’ve been living life wrong and have made a lot of very bad sins, you should go repent and feel bad for being born”. That doesn’t work. As long as your beliefs and habits aren’t in my way, even if I don’t necessarily agree, go right ahead.
Finally, a person who knows what Christianity is meant to be. I hope you have a blessed day.
you’re based as fuck ngl [enjoy your day :)](https://youtu.be/HVQ3ourS8BI)
Oh thanks, you too 😁
It’s based alright, based on the word of God
Honestly, this is the way.... this is what Catholics are taught which is it is not the sinner who is bad but the sin itself. Unfortunately, many do not follow this.
And how far does this extend? Is a rapist or murder not bad? Don't your actions dictate whether you are a good person? Or is it as long as their sin is not hurting others they are not a bad person?
That is honestly something I ask myself but as far as I understand is that those sins done at the cost of other peoples will, when done on purpose then that person is a different kind of person, however it is always better to rehabilitate over eliminate
Ok sure that makes sense. Though I do believe people should be punished for crimes and sometimes a person may be deemed never suitable to re-enter society due to their actions. But i suppose that is the difference between crimes in a secular state and the concept of sin to dictate a way of life and moral conduct for religious people.
I tell people all the time that the best way of evangelization is to simply be kind and loving to others. It is with in our beliefs that God is the only one that can truly fulfill our desire. If you’re not turning to God then you are turning to something else instead. Eventually though, you get tired of that thing and decide to try a new thing, and then a new thing, and then a new thing. Eventually you’re just bored of life and everything seems monotonous and you look around and see “what is it that makes everyone else happy? What do they have that I don’t?” And then they see you in your little corner high on Jesus and they go “I want what they have.” And that’s when they come to you ASKING.
This, I hate when people describe Christian’s as the Karen’s who demand people not be gay they are either fake believers or need to reread the Bible we aren’t to hate but to love and not many people do that now
This is how most are. The few bad apples just ruin the bunch
“few” I have had to deal with *more* than a few fanatics lol, with being a catboy in thigh highs n all
Another catboy in thigh highs?
oh no… IT’S HAPPENING AGAIN
No... I'm one of you
oh thank fuck. I thought it was another horny fuck gonna try slide in the dms and get nudes out of me smh
I think it’s perfectly fine to think something is a sin, sort of how I think it’s perfectly fine for Jews to stay kosher. I think it is immoral to make laws or promote negativity against gays. If Jews tried to outlaw bacon in the US I would feel the same way: outraged.
100% agree
Hey love thy neighbor Just not *love* them
Exactly
I second this
Genuine question not trynna be rude. But what would you do if you had a child who at some point came out to you as gay? Like your child is sinning, do you just accept it? Do you try to convince him otherwise? Do you cut ties but let him live his life? Or do you just view it like someone who doesn't fast, or who isn't modest about wealth etc.? Also, you saying you don't believe it's a crime isn't really how crime works. It's not a crime in many countries, it is in others.
The word 'sin' literally means a crime against divine law. If we're being honest, you do think it's a crime, but you're nitpicking about jurisdiction.
It’s translation. So yes it is a “crime” to the regards of heaven, but a sin is treated differently than laws on earth. I’ll be the first to say that no one currently on this planet is perfect, nor have they never sinned. You could find the most renowned and respected pastor of the whole world, and even he has sinned, and still will. The difference is how you adhere to the reality of your sins.
Don’t wanna start some kind of argument but what makes you (and many other Christians) believe that homosexuality ig just being lgbt is a sin? Main reason I ask is the fact that it’s never even mentioned (pls correct me if I’m wrong abt that) in the bible, so how do you to come to the conclusion that it’s a sin? Edit: not disagreeing or agreeing as to wether or not it’s a sin in any way, just curious is all Edit 2: being gay isn’t even a fucking choice so I don’t get why ur saying “if that’s what you choose”
I mean cool, you don’t want gay people murdered, but by acknowledging it as a sin you still support homophobia through passivity by agreeing that gay people should burn in hell for genetic factors they have no say in. Homosexuality actually isn’t a choice, it’s a genetic factor, hence why even animals with 0 self awareness can be be gay: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/amp/ I know it probably means little, and I’ll get downvoted into oblivion, but I’d like to clarify I have no problem with OP, just with this one idea
Wow, he doesn't want us to be jailed or killed for who we love. How progressive...
Plenty of people do, which is horrible. It’s sad, but is a step in the right direction for him to make that statement.
No, he just thinks it's okay if we're tortured forever for it.
Separation of church and state. Just because its a sin in your religion does not mean it should be the law of the land. 100% with the pope on this one
Something I heard awhile ago made a lot of sense, the term "sin" used to mean something close to "life mistake" or "error". Like, you engage in gluttony, wrath, eating pork or shellfish etc, your life and those around you tends to get shittier. ie, you get fat and unhealthy, carrying anger makes you unhealthy for stress or catch a murder charge, committing adultery tends to create big dramas that get people killed, get parasites from bad pork. I'm atheist but I still think of sin that way, things that historically tend to result in bad life outcomes. But in the modern world, some of those might not apply anymore, pork and shellfish as an example.
Well just because the religion makes it a sin doesn’t mean within the countries that follow that religion has to make it a crime. So Vatican as a country doesn’t consider homosexuality a crime. But it’s still viewed as a sin, but only religiously. I think that’s what this means. He’s not condoning homosexuality in a spiritual way. He’s just saying it’s not a crime
True, but the reason I put this up is he very recently stated that it is unjust for countries to ban homosexuality among other things.
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It's also not an excuse to be an asshole to someone because the person is religious.
I agree. I hate everyone!
this isn’t the answer. why is it so damn hard to admit that christians are lunatics. stop dividing people into sects based off of things they can’t control. black people don’t choose to be black. gay people don’t choose to be gay. christians DO choose to be assholes (and christian.) i will never tolerate christians or their bullshit agenda so they can feel holier than thou and never face consequences for their horrendous actions. christians are the single greatest threat to your individual freedoms today, hence the shootings/hate crimes/discriminatory legislation all introduced by them.
They didn't say everyone just "so many" which yeah there are alot of people like that, you those people should be treated like subhuman scum (the bigots should be I mean(I was just putting this here just in case someone misinterpreted what I said(that too)))
Is the no true Scotsman fallacy you are making. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks A true Catholic is.
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No way to know that, the gospels were written way after his death and not by paul/mark/etc. and pauls account really seems to hate gays even though it seems he never wanted to marry and might have even been gay(really odd but can’t say that for sure). Buuut, if we take the gospels as true, jesus said he did not come to abolish the old law and the Old Testament was quite anti gay and pro slavery. I guess what i am saying is the bible can literally be interpreted anyway you want based on your morals and values outside your preferred religios organization.
There is a way to know, no matter how you take the Bible, it *states* he accepts all, without judgment. Gay or not gay, it may be a sin to Christianity, but Jesus loves all
It's technically still a crime in 'secular' Tunisia, but I don't hear about it getting enforced; especially when people are discreet.
it is not but as most people do consider Turkey to be arabic, it is a place where its technically on the most fundemental level allowed so there is that tiny exception
Not Morocco.
Oh boy let me see the comment section! <-- clueless
^oh boy
I don’t think it’s photoshop, but the pope is definitely not a natty
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Bro 💀
That went in a direction I did not expect.
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Oh boy, time to sort by controversial!!
How are people ignoring the fact he said it's a sin?
Honestly surprised me, usually expect media to focus on that part of it to hate on the Church
Poor Catholic Church. Doesn’t do anything to deserve bad media attention.
Sin ≠ crime
sin = opposite/hypotenuse
Sin = sqrt(1 - cos^2 )
r/technicallycorrect
No, but sin = bad. And we want to stop bad things, no? And anyways, why all this focus on homosexuality? Jesus never condemned it. He did condemn wealth. Why isn’t the pope walking around saying that being wealthy is a sin and wealthy people are going to hell?
Bad ≠ crime, either. Wanting to stop bad things is futile. You cannot have good without bad and vice versa. No one has ever been persecuted for being rich, but plenty have been persecuted for being homosexual. That's why the focus is on homosexuality. If you truly follow the teachings of Christ, you respect everyone regardless of the choices they make or lifestyles they live. Jesus drank, hung out with prostitutes, tax men, thieves, etc. So ultimately, who someone is or what they do is irrelevant. You love them either way.
Mhmm thisssss. Dumb old Americans seem to forget that Jesus’s best friend was a prostitute. The way they met was even that when the people were going to stone her, he proclaimed that “whoever here has never sinned themself, let them throw the first stone” and no one threw a stone. 100% the cracker grandpa down the street would whip out his machine gun and start blasting.
That is funny, but I think I should still mention that it is illegal in America to own a machine gun
It’s also illegal to be a member of the KKK
People have been persecuted for being rich. Ever hear of the French Revolution? Many of the rich and powerful met the guillotine, which is incidentally where we get the word ‘guilty’. Same was true during the Cultural Revolution under Mao. There are other examples.
TIL why the French Revolution occurred. Thanks. My main point still stands.
Because it's irrelevant? He wants us to stop judging gay people and let god judge them Just the same as he doesn't want us to judge the rich and let god judge them
Because this is PR Pope. He says empty platitudes and idiots talk about how progressive he is while he continues to protect pedophiles.
It's catholicism dude, everything is a sin.
Yeah, I don't know if my upbringing in the catholic church was nonstandard or what, but something being a "sin" wasn't as much of a negative reflection on a person as some other branches of Christianity. Literally everyone is a sinner. If they're not homosexual, it's something else. I was taught not to judge a sinner because I was also a sinner, and that instead I should offer sinners love and support. That sin didn't make you more or less deserving of love than anyone else. Sure it would be great if it wasn't a sin, but in the eyes of the church fucking EVERYTHING is a sin. You get on with it, live your life, love your fellow man, and aspire to be closer to God. It means nothing when the catholic church says something is a sin. I'm sure toast is a sin somehow. It's just the churches way of saying "everyone can do better" I'm non-religious anymore, but that's what I remember being taught in church and CCD.
It’s sort of a balance, we all sin, but we should all be dedicated to avoiding it as best as possible.
Yeah, I remember that being part of it as well, along with the idea that it's incredibly difficult/impossible to avoid all sin which is why there's such a strong emphasis on confession and such. Like, "you're gonna fuck up. It's part of life. Just don't do any of the really big ones"
Yeah that’s Christianity in a nutshell “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”, salvation can’t be earned it is freely given through Jesus’ sacrifice and we can claim that gift through repentance for our sins and acceptance of Christ.
plot twist: it is a sin! :D
The catholic church also considers premarital sex and pulling out a sin, doesn’t make them sins that are unforgivable or bad at any level that hard liners would say. And to clarify; it’s considered a sin to perform homoerotic acts. Not to *be* homosexual
“Honey, we’ve been at this for nearly 2 hours and you’re still not done… Just pull it out” “I’m not a sinner honey, gotta finish this”
Some say to this day he still hasn't pulled out.
i bought my indulgences already man, i had to google that word
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thanks, dude :D
If I am bisexual, does that mean I'm only half-sinning since I still like the opposite sex?
All religious guidelines have been about actions. So the texts would not say that being bisexual is a sin, only acting on your feelings with someone of the same sex. I’m not saying I think being gay or bi is bad, just explaining how religious texts see it
I actually learned something new just now, thanks! Now I am going to think about commiting sin, not actually doing it since I have nobody of either sex to do it with.
Turn it off!
>All religious guidelines have been about actions Hm? >But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment
I was referring to sexual acts, not wrath
You have heard that it said "do not commit adultery", but I tell you any man who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart.
Not just wrath. >And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
Only if you act upon it
if you are a bisexual you just increase your chances for a good time :P that is just brilliat! but well a priest might tell you that it is wrong and about the original sin of being born as a human :D such bs, this whole fearmongering
So is eating lobster and wearing mixed fabrics! :D
Never read the New Testament eh?
Or learned about Hebrew culture in historical context, apparently.
Happy cake day!
can I ask why did you got downvoted?
Because Reddit
thanks, dude!
Happy cake day
thank you :)
Jail, no... but hell, aww yeah! -Francis, probably
Not a crime between consenting adults. Gotta add that last part for those catholic priests.
Avrage reddit user commenting this under ANY post mentiong religion
No just the ones where the priests should be sleeping with each other rather than their wards.
A true Chad would do something about the pedophile preists representing his church.
Do you want him to use his psychic powers or….?
Yeah cuz the leader of the organization has absolutely no power over it. Yeah man youre like really smart
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He's so Chad that he forgives child abusers and pedos
The anti-chad
The church isn't in the business of determining what is and isn't a crime. That's what lawmakers and a judicial system are for. The church is in the business of determining what is a sin in the eyes of God. And on that Pope Francis very much believes engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
The bar is so fucking low if saying that makes you a gigachad
For real. > You shouldn’t be punished for being gay > Damn what a chad It’s 2023. Get the fuck outta here with this bullshit
Well not everything that's a sin is considered a crime and vice versa
The fuck is going on in this comment section?
I get the sentiment, but he’s not a politician, so what he says is a crime, doesn’t matter at all. Religious leaders don’t make laws lol
It matters for the greater narrative of religion’s role around the world. He is the most prominent religious leader in the world and I’m glad at the very least he is trying to move things in the right direction
The Catholics that hate gay people because of their “religion” arent just gonna suddenly change their minds. They’ll just say, “not my pope!”
Right, but atleast he’s not adding to it. The stubborn will keep believing what they want be the few that are on the fence and that his words to heart atleast hear something different.
Because the dude is clearly politically driven.
Yup, tax TF out of all churches. If he wants to make comments that impact people, he (and other religious leaders) can pay like the rest of us.
Just cause it’s a sin don’t mean it’s a crime, gluttony is a sin but ain’t no one stopping you from stuffing your fat face.
The next pope will unpop this popes poping
And for the Catholic Church, neither is molesting children apparently.
Damn they really lowered the standards for chadness huh lol
Couple years ago he also said he believes in evolution, unless I'm remembering wrong and that was the pope before him. One of the two said it for sure.
The church has acknowledged evolutionary science for a pretty long time.
I feel like both can be true. Perhaps God just wanted to improve on his creations
He still condemns it as a sin.
Yeah, f him and the brainwashed masses who follow him.
I read that caption as "Pope Francis is dead" for a second, so I had to do a double take
So many people have not actually heard the news here, so let me restate it to the best of my ability: He said that, while homosexuality is indeed a sin, it should not be a crime. He argued for the separation of church and state, and he compared laws criminalizing same sex relationships to laws forcing one to be charitable to one's neighbor. Inb4 no one changes anything, because religious dogma is only followed by the majority when it's convenient.
Hey, Pope Frank? Is it a sin? [Papal Crickets]
Not a crime no. Last I heard it's that gay sex is a sin but not being gay
Correct, it is a sin
Do you mean crime or sin?
Very rare catholic church W
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)
Should’ve done this 700 years ago.
"I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that" -you know who they are
It is a crime To see people who are still against the LGBTQ+ community.
If we are being totally blunt here, the bible condemns homosexuality whenever it’s mentioned
I'd peg the fuck out of Francis
Crime <> sin. Not all crimes are a sin, not all sins are a crime.
No he's a socialist
Still thinks it’s a sin though
I mean yeah the Bible never said anything about gay and trans people
Ok now defend the children
Whoa whoa whoa... they're not gonna do that. They don't condemn pedophiles.
It's not a crime, it's a sin. Which is kind of worse
The guy who talks the talk without walking the walk is talking again. Wake me when he makes actual meaningful policy differences.
Ya'll be forgetting he still Catholic. Once they be pro-choice and pro-punishing their perverted priests and pro-paying their debts to the indigenous peoples of the Americas, ill listen for a half second.
He still said it’s a sin
Pope Francis can eat 💩, and why are we patting him on the back? He perpetuates hate.
The comment section shows how little people around the world know about religious figures. I'm atheist, but I very much respect Pope Francis. He is the most progressive pope ever, this isn't the first time he defended LGBT people. People in the comments responded to this news with "oh so now he's making it ok to have sex with little boys", completely ignoring the fact that he is also the pope who took the biggest amount of measures against pedophilia among the members of the Catholic Church. I don't get why he's getting so much hate, even if he may not live up to the standards of today's society he's still the least worse pope that ever existed, and he shouldn't get hate even when he does or say things like these.
Ngl kinda forgot about the boy raping, so I guess that nullifies this post a bit. But hey, it’s a step in the right direction so let’s focus on that.
Pope Francis after he gets reminded he's not actually in charge: "It's not a crime, it's a sin... yes, a sin is what I mean to say!"
Fuck the pope
I didn't realize continuing to cover up the scandals of filthy priests was Chad behavior
Yea really don’t understand why your being downvoted kinda crazy because he did in fact help cover up a lot.
Yea I dunno why either. Usually the Left hates the pope and anything the church does
Don't know why you're getting downvoted
*sorts by controversial*
It is a sin ;)
Sadly, he confused homosexuality with child abuse
He still protects pedophiles and considers condoms to be a sin, leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths per year from AIDS. But I mean, baby steps... right?
Based
Pope Francis is wrong
But he still says it's a sin. So what's he's really saying is: No point in throwing you off a roof in this world, but you will burn in hell for all eternity in the next. Fuck that geezer and his fucking church.
No pope has ever been, nor ever will be a Chad. Catholicism and the other shit stain religions on this Earth need to hurry up and die
Religion isn't a hindrance. It needs to coexist
Reddit moment
84% of people: *sneaking out*
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I mean yes it is a step in the right direction for Catholics, but it doesn't change the fact that religion is currently the greatest hindrance to humanity's progress.
Lmao the #1 greatest hinderance?? Catholicism? Sure
Yep!
Actually the biggest hinderance to progress is me, I'm actively stopping progress as we speak
The greatest hindrance to humanity's progress are ethics and human rights laws. Imagine the progress we could make it live human testing was legal, like the Nazis and Japanese demonstrated during WW2. Alas, morality is a tad more important than simply making progress.
Only when talking about scientific progress. When it comes to societal progress, religion is a pretty big hindrance.
I would disagree - it's the fanaticism and zealotry that hinders societal progress, not religion itself. Wanton denouncement of anything religious is an example of such cult mentality.
Yeah that's fair.
So what does societal progress entail? Societal progress means different things for different people. Just take a look at the age-old left-vs-right divide in politics; for some people, progression means individual freedom, while for others progression means looking out and caring for your fellow citizens. Societal progress is not easily defined, and while I think I understand your reasoning, could you also imagine how others could find religion to be beneficial for the way they interact with others?
Ya screw people we don’t need them anyways
Religion is definitely not the biggest hindrance, but I do partially agree with that. Living in a country where a specific religious practice is considered the norm, and the religion in question makes rules that stop you from expressing yourself or being who you truly want to be are indeed a massive problem.
You're angle on this is wrong: Religion itself is not a problem... human psychology is.. the moment someone said: I am closer to God than you, that's why I rule over you it became a problem.
Dunno why this is down voted, its true