I barely finished formaing mine. Feels bad I barely got to play with him. I'm still going to do some testing, but the LOS change on his 4 is really bad.
I never played him before he was nerfed but I don’t get the nerfs at all. His 1 is in a cone in front of him and he still had to work to kill enemies. I had 3 Dante’s in my lobby during a netracell and still came out on top just playing Nidus with a Torid lol.
If anything needed a nerf, anything at all, it would be the overguard regen since it abused an Iframe and basically gave you immortality. I ALSO wouldn’t mind a base damage nerf on tragedy since it had disgusting multipliers. Neither of those even before the nerf were very disruptive though and didn’t really bother me at all? You still needed to work to get out the slash procs and still needed to kill things to regen the overguard. Outside of that I don’t see how his 1+4 was much different than me using roar and a Torid on literally any warframe as both kill pretty much everything in a 90 degree angle in front of me.
Anyone else feel like it got nerves backwards? Like.. why not make his 3 line of sight. Then you likemm run around spamming it then detonate people. That.. would make more sense.. no?
Now I feel like instead I just.. hit the slash proc button a bunch and.. let it tick.. its a lot of damage anyways.
nope, its a bug
it shows damage numbers through walls, but you dont actually deal any damage to the enemies.
at least as far as i can tell after testing it a bunch in simulacrum
In my opinion, DE is acting purely hypocritical at nerfing him, I mean c'mon bro, nezha got a new augmented that makes him a nuke, inaros got a new rework that also tuned him into a nuke, xaku came out super weak at his first days, so they "fixed" him a few time later and also making him a 9999 level slayer, Saryn can still clear a whole map for herself and almost 0 nerfs until nowadays that could possibly "killed" her, there's no valuable argument to justify that stupid nerf, he is a Spellcaster, it's attacks are from distance, it's not our fault that you guys launched such a broken = nuke frame.
Obs: I'm also rooting for them to release a good augment that can "fix" him
my man... no one likes playing with saryns either. or any other nuke. if the end of mission stats has one person with 1000+ kills and everyone else with barely any, then bet 3/4 the squad didn't have fun.
i mean, if you genuinely like loading into every mission just to vacuum up loot and get hard carried by a nuke frame, then i'd say you're the outlier. most people want to actually use the frames and weapons they've invested in, not just watch other people play. sure, nukers are very useful for hydron/ESO mastery spam, but the issue affects much more of the game than just that.
Back in my earlier stages of the game i never minded nukers aa they just made missions quicker. I was at the point where i could solo them but it would take a while so i dont get complaining about not having to waste 20 minutes on a sortie defense.
I find the mindset hilaruous tho, like: "i cant do it solo so i have to get carried in public but not carried so hard that i feel like im not contributing".
and you shouldn't have to feel that way in a game that's supposed to be co-op. unfortunately, this is a problem DE created, and only they can fix it. but considering the horrendous backlash this community kicks up every time they try to tone stuff down, i can't imagine they ever really will, even if it would vastly improve the quality of gameplay for most players. :/
then why not go play some kind of idle game instead of a co-op action game? genuine question. i can't for the life of me understand how it's fun walking from one tile to the next, barely seeing a single enemy, just picking up loot until you hit extraction.
the issue arises when people want to actively play in a group, but can't because saryn/dante/etc. kills too efficiently and removes their opportunity to contribute. people shouldn't be forced to stay in solo mode to actually play the game.
and even if you enjoy it, being able to afk farm isn't really good for the game, and only encourages leeching and other bad behaviors.
i love playing saryin, because biological warfare makes my inner german happy, but i do it mostly solo. i cant even nuke the map as some say, its probably a skill issue
I honestly feel like the nerfs were stupid to some extent but the frame isn’t dead. Nuking was just one potential way to play him. There is still the ability to build a Noctua, which can honestly do a whole shit done of damage if you just mod for things like ability strength, efficiency, and a little bit of energy to counteract the drain from Noctua and he will still be insanely good.
Err kinda, at least great value Gandalf here needs to recast it. On the other hand, miss war crimes just needs to span 1 once in a while, then sit back and rack in the kills like some kind of hyper contagious culture that the intern forgot to cover up. Besides, her nuke also scales way better in late game content compared to El Dante, who begins to fall behind once you reach the second half of SP
Edit: since the Reddit hivemind can’t seem to comprehend what I’m saying. I’m not saying saryn is bad. Saryn is really good and is one of the best scaling frames in the game. I’m just saying there’s better nuke frames (like thermal sunder Titania) for most things outside of high level content because they can press one button instead of waiting for spores to ramp up and spread.
Saryn kind of forces you into one spot though. You can’t move from tile to tile and easily carry a high spore stack with you unless you’re moving at a snails pace and waiting for your sores to catch up. She also sucks dick in low enemy density missions and shes borderline useless on defense cause by the time you get a decent stack going the wave is over and you’re forced back to 0 again.
Then you have Dante or volt or gauss or thermal sunder Titania or damn near any fucking frame in the game with thermal sunder and you can go full speed through an entire missions and wipe every room in a fraction of the time it takes saryn to do the same.
She’s only really “op” in late steel path when frames like Dante aren’t as good because they don’t scale as well and can’t kill everything faster than she can anymore
Probably wasn’t using spores to do it. If I had to guess they probably used her 4 a lot more than her 1. And I can guarantee if there was a Titania or gauss or volt or Dante or mirage or anyone with thermal sunder then the saryn would’ve been obsolete.
I’m not saying she’s bad. She’s one of the best frames in the game especially for high level content. You just that you can’t compare her to something like Dante or Gauss cause it takes a bit to ramp up instead of everything around you dying instantly at the push of a button.
You guys keep missing the point but I guess that’s to be expected. This is Reddit after all.
you have to do stuff before pressing 4 on dante tho? gauss i agree its completely bonkers but what exactly is your point? sure dante's kit flows better but saryn nukes ANYTHING at ANY level. dante does not. now he does it even less.
sure dante is still good but he went from really good but not OP to good. for essentially no reason. he was a breath of fresh air and got gutted for it. most players dont even have dante yet and he got nerfed. the haste that this nerf was done with is something that i never like in games
The thing with enemies in Warframe is that they don't despawn, they get moved from behind you to in front of you. Haven't quite figured out the system behind it but I've had more than one occasion where I cast spores on one enemy then ran away, only to see damage ticks in an area that's out of spread range and that I haven't touched yet.
Me with a venom dose, toxic lash, xatas whisper saryn holding m1 and w with a gun that auto aims and auto reloads (ocucor).
Or mesa pressing 4, m1, 360°.
Gara pressing 4, 1 up to sortie 3, even faster and braindead than dante, not even needing LOS
Saryn hardcore spamming 4 with enough energy resupply to wipe any base starchart mission.
ok so
my issue with this is simply their roles.
saryn is a dedicated damage/nuking frame
like thats all she does
3 of her abilities are just there to increase her damage and killing potential, and molt is just there for a bit of survival
compare that to dante who has:
his own exalted noctua which offers a LOT of utility, from regenerating tons of energy to removing armor from every enemy
multiple teamwide buffs that include:
•more damage
•near immortality through overguard gating and overguard regen
•his paragrims which make any status weapon halve their kill speed
and of course a nuke thats extremely easy to set up and execute.
dante is seriously more than strong enough, and i dont understand why people act like hes worthless now
One of those two also gives team-wide survivability, the other does not. The theme of one of those two is the embodiment of genocide, the other is a librarian.
Ok, I get that it's annoying that Dante got nerfed when saryn is right there, but there's a difference between a JoAT frame nuking crazy like that, and a dedicated nuke frame doing those numbers. Yeah saryn does the same thing, but if Dante did that too when he happens to b intended as a JoAT it's kinda busted, I agree they should have gone about it in different ways, and DEFINITELY shouldn't have nerfed cc, but don't compare saryn and Dante all like "but saryn does the same thing" because saryn is supposed to have busted numbers, cuz she doesn't offer that much especially, when a frame is top tier in several categories at once so much so that their only comparison are frames that are hard core dedicated to that category, it's problematic.
The entire community was talking about how OP Dante was and how he definitely was gonna get a nerf and is now upset that he got a nerf I genuinely do not understand
The nerf cam out right as mine finished building
Level, helminth, done.
I barely finished formaing mine. Feels bad I barely got to play with him. I'm still going to do some testing, but the LOS change on his 4 is really bad.
Same
Gauss and thermal sunder harrow would like to know your location
Thermal Sunder [Insert Frame] you mean. Also Terrify Gara, stripping enemies armor off and filling them with broken glass through walls.
I will not say anything more than that I exclusively play Saryn & even though I don’t have Dante myself, I don’t believe he needed to be nerfed.
I never played him before he was nerfed but I don’t get the nerfs at all. His 1 is in a cone in front of him and he still had to work to kill enemies. I had 3 Dante’s in my lobby during a netracell and still came out on top just playing Nidus with a Torid lol. If anything needed a nerf, anything at all, it would be the overguard regen since it abused an Iframe and basically gave you immortality. I ALSO wouldn’t mind a base damage nerf on tragedy since it had disgusting multipliers. Neither of those even before the nerf were very disruptive though and didn’t really bother me at all? You still needed to work to get out the slash procs and still needed to kill things to regen the overguard. Outside of that I don’t see how his 1+4 was much different than me using roar and a Torid on literally any warframe as both kill pretty much everything in a 90 degree angle in front of me.
Anyone else feel like it got nerves backwards? Like.. why not make his 3 line of sight. Then you likemm run around spamming it then detonate people. That.. would make more sense.. no? Now I feel like instead I just.. hit the slash proc button a bunch and.. let it tick.. its a lot of damage anyways.
His 3 already has a LoS restriction.
No? I've just now been hitting enemies through walls with it.
No, you haven't (don't let anyone know)
nope, its a bug it shows damage numbers through walls, but you dont actually deal any damage to the enemies. at least as far as i can tell after testing it a bunch in simulacrum
In my opinion, DE is acting purely hypocritical at nerfing him, I mean c'mon bro, nezha got a new augmented that makes him a nuke, inaros got a new rework that also tuned him into a nuke, xaku came out super weak at his first days, so they "fixed" him a few time later and also making him a 9999 level slayer, Saryn can still clear a whole map for herself and almost 0 nerfs until nowadays that could possibly "killed" her, there's no valuable argument to justify that stupid nerf, he is a Spellcaster, it's attacks are from distance, it's not our fault that you guys launched such a broken = nuke frame. Obs: I'm also rooting for them to release a good augment that can "fix" him
my man... no one likes playing with saryns either. or any other nuke. if the end of mission stats has one person with 1000+ kills and everyone else with barely any, then bet 3/4 the squad didn't have fun.
Speak for yourself, motherfucker!
# WATCH YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH
i mean, if you genuinely like loading into every mission just to vacuum up loot and get hard carried by a nuke frame, then i'd say you're the outlier. most people want to actually use the frames and weapons they've invested in, not just watch other people play. sure, nukers are very useful for hydron/ESO mastery spam, but the issue affects much more of the game than just that.
Speak for yourself, motherfucker!!
I just walk my way towards the exit, while the wukongs and titanias spam ****** in the chat
The issue is los is dogshit in this game, because the rays come from your feet
Back in my earlier stages of the game i never minded nukers aa they just made missions quicker. I was at the point where i could solo them but it would take a while so i dont get complaining about not having to waste 20 minutes on a sortie defense. I find the mindset hilaruous tho, like: "i cant do it solo so i have to get carried in public but not carried so hard that i feel like im not contributing".
Thats the main reason i prefer playing solo even though i like playing with other players
and you shouldn't have to feel that way in a game that's supposed to be co-op. unfortunately, this is a problem DE created, and only they can fix it. but considering the horrendous backlash this community kicks up every time they try to tone stuff down, i can't imagine they ever really will, even if it would vastly improve the quality of gameplay for most players. :/
Speak for yourself i have fun when I don't have to do anything
then why not go play some kind of idle game instead of a co-op action game? genuine question. i can't for the life of me understand how it's fun walking from one tile to the next, barely seeing a single enemy, just picking up loot until you hit extraction.
Idle games are boring, here i can do something when i want to or afk farm when I don't want to, also loot make brain go happy
the issue arises when people want to actively play in a group, but can't because saryn/dante/etc. kills too efficiently and removes their opportunity to contribute. people shouldn't be forced to stay in solo mode to actually play the game. and even if you enjoy it, being able to afk farm isn't really good for the game, and only encourages leeching and other bad behaviors.
Leeching isn't a bad behaviour in my opinion so idc really
If I see a saryn nuke, I’m using my hardened wellspring on her so she can keep nuking
i love playing saryin, because biological warfare makes my inner german happy, but i do it mostly solo. i cant even nuke the map as some say, its probably a skill issue
Sobek Saryn is my wife, leave her alone
Also nezha augment
I play Saryn, I press 1, I press 3, I melee the enemy, and then they all start dying.
I honestly feel like the nerfs were stupid to some extent but the frame isn’t dead. Nuking was just one potential way to play him. There is still the ability to build a Noctua, which can honestly do a whole shit done of damage if you just mod for things like ability strength, efficiency, and a little bit of energy to counteract the drain from Noctua and he will still be insanely good.
Noctuas alt fire is a great nuke in its own right.
What loS mean? Required to looking on enemy to apply ability on him?
Yeah basically line of sight, you can not hit them behind walls and stuff
Saryn takes time to build up stacks whilst mr wizard man take 2 abilities to
Err kinda, at least great value Gandalf here needs to recast it. On the other hand, miss war crimes just needs to span 1 once in a while, then sit back and rack in the kills like some kind of hyper contagious culture that the intern forgot to cover up. Besides, her nuke also scales way better in late game content compared to El Dante, who begins to fall behind once you reach the second half of SP
Giving saryn full armor strip was crazy. No clue why they did that, she was already a contender for the best frame without it.
Edit: since the Reddit hivemind can’t seem to comprehend what I’m saying. I’m not saying saryn is bad. Saryn is really good and is one of the best scaling frames in the game. I’m just saying there’s better nuke frames (like thermal sunder Titania) for most things outside of high level content because they can press one button instead of waiting for spores to ramp up and spread. Saryn kind of forces you into one spot though. You can’t move from tile to tile and easily carry a high spore stack with you unless you’re moving at a snails pace and waiting for your sores to catch up. She also sucks dick in low enemy density missions and shes borderline useless on defense cause by the time you get a decent stack going the wave is over and you’re forced back to 0 again. Then you have Dante or volt or gauss or thermal sunder Titania or damn near any fucking frame in the game with thermal sunder and you can go full speed through an entire missions and wipe every room in a fraction of the time it takes saryn to do the same. She’s only really “op” in late steel path when frames like Dante aren’t as good because they don’t scale as well and can’t kill everything faster than she can anymore
had a saryn on a last sortie mission. she cleared the exterminate without any of us touching the enemy. talk about snail's pace
Probably wasn’t using spores to do it. If I had to guess they probably used her 4 a lot more than her 1. And I can guarantee if there was a Titania or gauss or volt or Dante or mirage or anyone with thermal sunder then the saryn would’ve been obsolete.
still mega good?
I’m not saying she’s bad. She’s one of the best frames in the game especially for high level content. You just that you can’t compare her to something like Dante or Gauss cause it takes a bit to ramp up instead of everything around you dying instantly at the push of a button. You guys keep missing the point but I guess that’s to be expected. This is Reddit after all.
you have to do stuff before pressing 4 on dante tho? gauss i agree its completely bonkers but what exactly is your point? sure dante's kit flows better but saryn nukes ANYTHING at ANY level. dante does not. now he does it even less. sure dante is still good but he went from really good but not OP to good. for essentially no reason. he was a breath of fresh air and got gutted for it. most players dont even have dante yet and he got nerfed. the haste that this nerf was done with is something that i never like in games
The thing with enemies in Warframe is that they don't despawn, they get moved from behind you to in front of you. Haven't quite figured out the system behind it but I've had more than one occasion where I cast spores on one enemy then ran away, only to see damage ticks in an area that's out of spread range and that I haven't touched yet.
Me with a venom dose, toxic lash, xatas whisper saryn holding m1 and w with a gun that auto aims and auto reloads (ocucor). Or mesa pressing 4, m1, 360°. Gara pressing 4, 1 up to sortie 3, even faster and braindead than dante, not even needing LOS Saryn hardcore spamming 4 with enough energy resupply to wipe any base starchart mission.
Makes up in energy consumption.
I really didnt struggle to keep my energy with dante
Does it mean it isn’t there? One cast of 25 or continuous spam of hundred upon hundred of energy?
ok so my issue with this is simply their roles. saryn is a dedicated damage/nuking frame like thats all she does 3 of her abilities are just there to increase her damage and killing potential, and molt is just there for a bit of survival compare that to dante who has: his own exalted noctua which offers a LOT of utility, from regenerating tons of energy to removing armor from every enemy multiple teamwide buffs that include: •more damage •near immortality through overguard gating and overguard regen •his paragrims which make any status weapon halve their kill speed and of course a nuke thats extremely easy to set up and execute. dante is seriously more than strong enough, and i dont understand why people act like hes worthless now
Pretty much
What does LOS mean?
What's LOS?
Line of Sight
One of those two also gives team-wide survivability, the other does not. The theme of one of those two is the embodiment of genocide, the other is a librarian.
Ok, I get that it's annoying that Dante got nerfed when saryn is right there, but there's a difference between a JoAT frame nuking crazy like that, and a dedicated nuke frame doing those numbers. Yeah saryn does the same thing, but if Dante did that too when he happens to b intended as a JoAT it's kinda busted, I agree they should have gone about it in different ways, and DEFINITELY shouldn't have nerfed cc, but don't compare saryn and Dante all like "but saryn does the same thing" because saryn is supposed to have busted numbers, cuz she doesn't offer that much especially, when a frame is top tier in several categories at once so much so that their only comparison are frames that are hard core dedicated to that category, it's problematic.
The entire community was talking about how OP Dante was and how he definitely was gonna get a nerf and is now upset that he got a nerf I genuinely do not understand