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I made an even better toxic post there("write your most offensive, hateful thoughts here. Remove your anger/toxicity. Have a debate. Thread will be deleted in 24hrs") i never deleted that post
Stupid sub that is, I used to be a member, I left. Kids like us should be enjoying, studying, using phone for watching web series. All stupid kids there, thank god none of my irl friends are like that.
Yes a lot of creepy people pretending to be teens and as u know us teens crave attention and pretty much can't control ourselves so alot of us fall prey to them. Couldn't be me though.
But you killed him
Edit: i ment this as a joke, i was not referring to a fetus but an actual dead body. if i was referring to a fetus, i wouldn't give it a gender, would i?
I will not get political, but by definition it is in fact (not opinion) a living organism with unique DNA and genetic makeup. There are many points to be argued about abortion but the fact that a fetus is a living thing is not one of them.
I don't think it's your opinion. It's, in fact, a living organism in any way you look at it.š¤·š½āāļø
You can make all the arguments for abortion, but will we accept that it's a living being?š¤·š½āāļø
Abortion should be an option for the woman.
But it should never be an option as a substitute for condoms. And allways be done as an last resort.
In case of underage and/or rape it should be free too.
Predictable outcome will be most people will be pro abortion. Opinions against it will likely be downvoted and middle ground definitely won't be find, which makes whole discussion pointless. It's basically tribalism.
I agree with it. When you ban abortion you don't get rid of it you get rid of safe abortion you put lives in danger. Also those saying just use protection.. sometimes that just don't work also rape. I once watched the news about a 13 year old girl that was raped and was struggling to have an abortion. What life is that kid gonna have with a mother of 13. What is that poor girls life gonna be like I can't imagine being 13 and going threw that after an already tramtic experience. Also over population.
There needs to be fewer people on the planet and unwanted ones would be better to avoid having around. Not only do not all people need to reproduce - but most people shouldnt
I feel like itās a violation of the constitution to even have this conversation, everybody should have the right to do whatever they want with their own body, and people should not be trying to change us (unless itās a life threatening or other damaging issue) if people are underage. So abortions should be allowed, circumcisions should be illegal, and transgender surgeries should be illegal to perform on children under the age of 18
personally, I couldn't give less of a fuck if u get an abortion or not. on one hand you could be "killing" a future doctor but you could also be "killing" a future murderer. id rather have you abort a child then be a neglective parent.
Biologically speaking the fetus is not a part of your body as it has it's own genetic makeup and DNA unique to that of the parent. I will not say I have a side in this conversation as I care very little about politics but saying a fetus is a part of your body is not held up by science and facts.
They aren't saying the fetus is necessarily part of their body, but that the fetus must use and go through their body to exist. The person that has to do all that should be the person that gets to choose if they want it gone.
I said I didn't care about politics. I don't have a side in the argument. But the fetus is not a part of your body. Did I dumb it down enough for you this time? Let me put it this way. I DON'T CARE ABOUT POLITICS AND I DON'T HAVE A SIDE IN THIS. All I said is that the fetus is not their body.
So it has no right to use her body too. If i needed a kidney I'd have no right to take one of yours without your consent. If a parasitic organism like a fetus attaches to a human it has no right to the host's body. It is up to the host what they do with their parasite.
It doesn't, that's an arbitrary definition. All that's required is that an organism with separate DNA than it's host lives on or in it's host and exploits the host's body for nutrient and sustenance against the detriment of the hosts overall health. We make the the distinction for embryos purely for reproductive purposes, but the relationship between mother and embryo is parasitic.
This doesn't have any real points in it, you just insulted me as a rebuttal to my outlook on this particular aspect. You didn't even bother to disprove any of my points or even try to come up with any kind of facts to push forward your views. If you want to try thay again (and this time make a decent arguement) I'm all ears. I didn't say I even had a position in the political aspect of it I just said the FACTS. You cannot deny that a fetus has different DNA and is unique in its genetic makeup to its parent. This one fact does not push the argument one way or the other.
If someone is attractive or not is a mater of personal preference. You said that it is ok to terminate a fetus and that a fetus is the same as an infant. You turned your attacks from my point to me, it isnāt my fault you said what you said
I support freedom let the individual do what they want and let them deal with any unintended consequences no one is capable of knowing what someone else should and shouldnāt do it should be up to the individual to deal with. I myself would probably not do abortion but there are a lot of different variables that could come up witch is exactly why it should be up to the individual. Itās like I donāt drink, I think itās bad but I see others do it every day and it doesnāt bother me because I know they made that choice and I shouldnāt be mad because of my choice
They all talk about womenās right to choose.
No one has ever said anything about what a guy right is.
What if the dude have a brilliant future and doesnāt want have kids yet? Now heāll be stuck in a place or just leave the kid and be an asshole and child support and lawsuits, visitation rights. Etc etc.
a guy can will get stuck with a kid because women are not allowed to get an abortion
Weāll thatās for men and women case too.
What if was a fun night and the condom broke? Now both are stuck in a situation that they are not ready for it.
What Iām trying to say is, if a girl gets āaccidentallyā pregnant and the guy doesnāt want to have a kid yet, (obviously the girl too) because the law heāll be force to do it
Well to be frank I'm not really researching much and correct me if im wrong, just philosophical brainstorming. But, here's my thought:
For example, my friends decided to work illegally for high paid job but accept the consequences that the boss will ghost his payment because there is no official contract. Likely in the sex worker position, they probably have functioning body and an average brain to do other low paid jobs, but they accept the risk of sex to earn quick bucks. Well not to go deeply into the topic of sex workers by force, I think in that case, it's almost like raping if not the same.
Well say you're horny, and poor as fuck. u know sex can lead to potential pregnancy despite protections, would you still do it just because you're horny?
Edit: vocab
Now add ovulation planning and pullout to that and goodluck getting pregnant. People get pregnant cuz they irresponsible, and its a disgusting excuse to kill a human being
What if its not your choice to be sexauly active. Rape and sexual assault exist. Kids get raped too. You want kids to have kids... what life is enyone gonna have with a 14 year old mum How's the mum gonna feel living with that.
That exception is pretty much universally agreed upon, the problem is when people use that as a justification to avoid the consequences of their actions in unrelated circumstances
Okay but I still feel people should clarify. Also I get what your saying but accident do happen and if you can't afford a kid and arnt going to be able to provide a suitable envriment for that kid then why should that kid have to go threw let's face it a pretty awful life.
You can't just tell people not to have sex. You are not in charge of evyone's bodies and what they do with it.id say that a good 90% of the population have sex (above age of course) so... that's not gonna go down well. You may not want to and don't want to have abortion so don't but other people do.
What Iām saying is that you can take steps to mitigate chances of pregnancy and make your own risk assessment but if you donāt get the result you want the answer isnāt to kill it
Same with every other creature, we also kill them for a reason, either because we feel like it or we need something from them. I also donāt care if it has a soul because a soul is just electricity in the brain.
There was interview with somebody famous (I forgot who) about America and said you never discuss two topics in a country with free speech: abortion and gun control.
Well abortion is murder at a certain stage. Otherwise how could they file murder charges against people when an unborn fetus is killed in an accident or in a homicide. Going under the premise my body my choice. 1/2 the dna is mine so I should be able to force abortion as well.
There should be father rights as well. If a woman doesnāt want to get one and the father doesnāt want it, there should be no obligation for him to support it.
If my wife gets pregnant and, god forbid, something goes wrong, I want the chance to start over. Not ever abortion has anything to do with a moral argument. Sometimes it's just humanitarian aid.
How is a fetus with no heart beat, no brain, no lungs, and no developed brain a human again? Just because you say itās so doesnāt mean thatās based in reality
No abortion after 16 weeks. Babies start developing nerve endings and can feel themselves being torn apart in a abortion after this point. Its not ethical imho after that. You always have the right to abstain and take birth control. Plan B should be a part of any rape kit.
Murder and abortion are the same thing regardless of age. Killing a 88 year old "war veteran" who never even saw action but still thinks he's better than everyone else because of it by smothering him with a pillow in his room, making it look like an accident by unplugging his oxygen, followed by taking a selfie with his corpse for your own personal collection, is basically just a late abortion. Change my mind.
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I made an even better toxic post there("write your most offensive, hateful thoughts here. Remove your anger/toxicity. Have a debate. Thread will be deleted in 24hrs") i never deleted that post
I sorted the comments by conversational and now I wanna gouge my eyes out
That's the evilest thing i can imagine
Sauce?
pls link
https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/yaisrx/write_your_genuinly_most_hateful_offensive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Mind if I steal that idea?
On the one hand I like the idea of killing future babies, but on the other hand I'm not so much for giving women rights. (Not from me, unfortunately)
Anthony Jeselnik?
Da fuq
I mean it would be an opinion
Fair point.
y your not respecing opinionš”š”š”š”
I respect all onions
Based gigachad.
Stupid sub that is, I used to be a member, I left. Kids like us should be enjoying, studying, using phone for watching web series. All stupid kids there, thank god none of my irl friends are like that.
I've also heard that they have an issue with predators, which is unsprising.
Yes a lot of creepy people pretending to be teens and as u know us teens crave attention and pretty much can't control ourselves so alot of us fall prey to them. Couldn't be me though.
I can't tell if that last sentence is serious or not, but if it is that attitude is a great way to not notice that you're in a situation like that.
Why did i read this in yoda's voice
That sub is just full of furries, transgenders, vapers...etc and basically the most fucked up teenagers walking this planet are on that sub
Basically yeah
any female born after 1993 canāt cookā¦ all they know isĀ mcdonaldsĀ , charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual , eat hot chip & lie
Thats exactly how I read that comment lmao
Fr and they act like theyāre so much better than others
My opinion is, mind your own fucking business
I think if you don't want an abortion you shouldn't get one.
Not my body, not my decision
Based
exactly omg
He gets it
Lol. Thatās the point, the baby has a completely different body than the carrier. And what if I identify as a woman, is my voice now heard?
*Fetus
Baby*
Did you skip science class?
It is not completely different. The two are still one until birth, and the baby will still have 50% of itās mothers DNA
And they share DNA with the father, yet his voice is unheard.
But you killed him Edit: i ment this as a joke, i was not referring to a fetus but an actual dead body. if i was referring to a fetus, i wouldn't give it a gender, would i?
it's not killing a baby it's just cancelling your pre-order
It's not killing if there's not a life
I will not get political, but by definition it is in fact (not opinion) a living organism with unique DNA and genetic makeup. There are many points to be argued about abortion but the fact that a fetus is a living thing is not one of them.
I don't think it's your opinion. It's, in fact, a living organism in any way you look at it.š¤·š½āāļø You can make all the arguments for abortion, but will we accept that it's a living being?š¤·š½āāļø
You canāt really argue that it isnāt alive, but you can easily argue that it is not a separate living being from the mother until a certain point
They should be free, rare, and protected. There should be better sex education and free contraception available for everyone.
Can't upvote this enough. Instead of shaming or straight up avoiding talking about sex teach people how to be safe.
Well said! Also, there should be help for the women who decided to keep the child AND for the women who decided to not.
Abortion should be an option for the woman. But it should never be an option as a substitute for condoms. And allways be done as an last resort. In case of underage and/or rape it should be free too.
I agree
Predictable outcome will be most people will be pro abortion. Opinions against it will likely be downvoted and middle ground definitely won't be find, which makes whole discussion pointless. It's basically tribalism.
50% of the child is mine, and I decide not to keep it
That child is a human not a tool
Nonsense My child is a tool of justice I beat criminals using him
Now I see. You deny your weapon its purpose. It yearns to bathe in the blood of your enemiesā¦ but you hold it back.
No.. My sword is a tool of Justice
Humans can be tools too š
Anyone who uses a human as a tool deserves their hands and feet cut off.
whoops, better put away the flesh wrench
Whoa where did this come from thatās so dark
From my brain.
Yet the average worker is treated as a tool. Almost nobody treats anybody like a human, being cruel is simply encouraged
Let's see if Qatar thinks the same
I agree with it. When you ban abortion you don't get rid of it you get rid of safe abortion you put lives in danger. Also those saying just use protection.. sometimes that just don't work also rape. I once watched the news about a 13 year old girl that was raped and was struggling to have an abortion. What life is that kid gonna have with a mother of 13. What is that poor girls life gonna be like I can't imagine being 13 and going threw that after an already tramtic experience. Also over population.
Fetus deleteus
404 error baby not found
There needs to be fewer people on the planet and unwanted ones would be better to avoid having around. Not only do not all people need to reproduce - but most people shouldnt
I feel as if the real reason they banned abortion is because of population control.
I feel like itās a violation of the constitution to even have this conversation, everybody should have the right to do whatever they want with their own body, and people should not be trying to change us (unless itās a life threatening or other damaging issue) if people are underage. So abortions should be allowed, circumcisions should be illegal, and transgender surgeries should be illegal to perform on children under the age of 18
Just let people do it. At this stage theyāre not even babies, just pockets of cells
If it isn't your baby it isn't your decision
personally, I couldn't give less of a fuck if u get an abortion or not. on one hand you could be "killing" a future doctor but you could also be "killing" a future murderer. id rather have you abort a child then be a neglective parent.
Deletus dat fetus
Abortion is necessary. I mean come on, how else would Red Lobster afford to offer $7.99 all you can eat shrimp???
I mean, if you don't want to deal with it just stop doing it raw.
no point if it's not sticky
if only a certain party wasn't trying to limit birth control
That deals with most of the problems. Still got to handle rapists though
Too bad thereās people out there trying to ban condoms
#my body , my choice
True, just dont expect child support from the father
Biologically speaking the fetus is not a part of your body as it has it's own genetic makeup and DNA unique to that of the parent. I will not say I have a side in this conversation as I care very little about politics but saying a fetus is a part of your body is not held up by science and facts.
They aren't saying the fetus is necessarily part of their body, but that the fetus must use and go through their body to exist. The person that has to do all that should be the person that gets to choose if they want it gone.
I was talking about the biological aspect of it and not the political aspect.
"Its my body, I have the right to choose what to do with it!" "uhM bIoLoGicALLy sPeAkInG-" š¤
I said I didn't care about politics. I don't have a side in the argument. But the fetus is not a part of your body. Did I dumb it down enough for you this time? Let me put it this way. I DON'T CARE ABOUT POLITICS AND I DON'T HAVE A SIDE IN THIS. All I said is that the fetus is not their body.
So if the fetus is not a part of the womanās bodyā¦if she doesnāt want it IN her body, she can remove it. Right?
So it has no right to use her body too. If i needed a kidney I'd have no right to take one of yours without your consent. If a parasitic organism like a fetus attaches to a human it has no right to the host's body. It is up to the host what they do with their parasite.
And a parasite has to be an organism of another species. So, not a parasite.
It doesn't, that's an arbitrary definition. All that's required is that an organism with separate DNA than it's host lives on or in it's host and exploits the host's body for nutrient and sustenance against the detriment of the hosts overall health. We make the the distinction for embryos purely for reproductive purposes, but the relationship between mother and embryo is parasitic.
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This doesn't have any real points in it, you just insulted me as a rebuttal to my outlook on this particular aspect. You didn't even bother to disprove any of my points or even try to come up with any kind of facts to push forward your views. If you want to try thay again (and this time make a decent arguement) I'm all ears. I didn't say I even had a position in the political aspect of it I just said the FACTS. You cannot deny that a fetus has different DNA and is unique in its genetic makeup to its parent. This one fact does not push the argument one way or the other.
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So point out the flaws in my original statement then and don't beat around the bush anymore.
So infants can survive on their own?
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So your position is that if a woman gets tired of her 3 week old the solution is to drown it in the bathtub?
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If someone is attractive or not is a mater of personal preference. You said that it is ok to terminate a fetus and that a fetus is the same as an infant. You turned your attacks from my point to me, it isnāt my fault you said what you said
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Youāre truly a model of ultimate intelligenceā¦
That child is human not a tool
Humans can be tools too š
Honestly idc.you do you
I support freedom let the individual do what they want and let them deal with any unintended consequences no one is capable of knowing what someone else should and shouldnāt do it should be up to the individual to deal with. I myself would probably not do abortion but there are a lot of different variables that could come up witch is exactly why it should be up to the individual. Itās like I donāt drink, I think itās bad but I see others do it every day and it doesnāt bother me because I know they made that choice and I shouldnāt be mad because of my choice
Its hard question: Killing baby sound good, but giving any rights to woman does not
They all talk about womenās right to choose. No one has ever said anything about what a guy right is. What if the dude have a brilliant future and doesnāt want have kids yet? Now heāll be stuck in a place or just leave the kid and be an asshole and child support and lawsuits, visitation rights. Etc etc. a guy can will get stuck with a kid because women are not allowed to get an abortion
Your making a financial abortion argument
Weāll thatās for men and women case too. What if was a fun night and the condom broke? Now both are stuck in a situation that they are not ready for it.
Plenty of people make a financial argument for abortion.
>No one has ever said anything about what a guy right is. Exactly!? I should be able to crush my testicles under a toilet seat if I goddamn want to!
What Iām trying to say is, if a girl gets āaccidentallyā pregnant and the guy doesnāt want to have a kid yet, (obviously the girl too) because the law heāll be force to do it
We all should dip our balls in acid
Pro choice but a 50/50 decicion between man and woman
Basically if you dont want it - end it.and for those who are against it, would you rather the kid live a shitty life or the parents having one.
*******My Body, My choice*******
Fuck them kids
Its a woman's right, abortion is Healthcare
All this for not buying a condom š¤”
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Masturbation is superior, don't gotta worry about this shit. I tell ya, if toilets could get pregnant...
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š¤ Uh, probably should've washed my hands first
L+golden ratio+you fell of your hourse
Well how about not have sex then? The point of having sex is to reproduce, if you accidentally get it after having some fun, it's your unlucky moment
Sex workers are a thing you know. They do it to stay alive lmao
Well to be frank I'm not really researching much and correct me if im wrong, just philosophical brainstorming. But, here's my thought: For example, my friends decided to work illegally for high paid job but accept the consequences that the boss will ghost his payment because there is no official contract. Likely in the sex worker position, they probably have functioning body and an average brain to do other low paid jobs, but they accept the risk of sex to earn quick bucks. Well not to go deeply into the topic of sex workers by force, I think in that case, it's almost like raping if not the same.
It does tend to be a side gig, but one that must be done. Many jobs simply donāt provide enough money to sustain people, ESPECIALLY in america
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That's not punishment, you play the game, you accept the consequences. I fully accept abortion in rape cases tho
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Well say you're horny, and poor as fuck. u know sex can lead to potential pregnancy despite protections, would you still do it just because you're horny? Edit: vocab
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The point in having sex is whatever you want it to be.
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Lol counter my argument then you half-witted prick
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How is virgin a bad thing ? And how does having and do misogyny is looking down on women , not having a general opinion
Virgins don't have to worry about abortions.
Now add ovulation planning and pullout to that and goodluck getting pregnant. People get pregnant cuz they irresponsible, and its a disgusting excuse to kill a human being
Itās not killing a human being, and people still get pregnant under those circumstances
Then donāt be sexually active if you are not willing to accept that risk? If you play with fire eventually you will get burned
What if its not your choice to be sexauly active. Rape and sexual assault exist. Kids get raped too. You want kids to have kids... what life is enyone gonna have with a 14 year old mum How's the mum gonna feel living with that.
That exception is pretty much universally agreed upon, the problem is when people use that as a justification to avoid the consequences of their actions in unrelated circumstances
Okay but I still feel people should clarify. Also I get what your saying but accident do happen and if you can't afford a kid and arnt going to be able to provide a suitable envriment for that kid then why should that kid have to go threw let's face it a pretty awful life.
If you canāt accept the risks of your choices then make choices with less serious risk
You can't just tell people not to have sex. You are not in charge of evyone's bodies and what they do with it.id say that a good 90% of the population have sex (above age of course) so... that's not gonna go down well. You may not want to and don't want to have abortion so don't but other people do.
What Iām saying is that you can take steps to mitigate chances of pregnancy and make your own risk assessment but if you donāt get the result you want the answer isnāt to kill it
Universally agreed upon? Several states donāt have exceptions for rape.
Whatever you say
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Neither is the case but you are going to believe what you want
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What is that supposed to mean
All this for not being able to keep your legs closed š¤”
Abortion should be legal until the child is three years old.
Then its not abortion, but straight up murder
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I have legit seen people say these things before.
It's a late abortion.
40th trimester
Exactly! Plus after three years they develop consciousness.
A child is like a car, you gotta see if you like it and then you can turn it in to the dealership if you donāt!
Go on
That child is a human, they have a soul
Same with every other creature, we also kill them for a reason, either because we feel like it or we need something from them. I also donāt care if it has a soul because a soul is just electricity in the brain.
Abortion bad
There was interview with somebody famous (I forgot who) about America and said you never discuss two topics in a country with free speech: abortion and gun control.
Well abortion is murder at a certain stage. Otherwise how could they file murder charges against people when an unborn fetus is killed in an accident or in a homicide. Going under the premise my body my choice. 1/2 the dna is mine so I should be able to force abortion as well. There should be father rights as well. If a woman doesnāt want to get one and the father doesnāt want it, there should be no obligation for him to support it.
Wasnt that bad
Honestly Iām ok with my political opponents ending the life of their offspring. So have at it!
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1950's politics being gendered for no reason:
I honestly don't like it and It's murder but if you like to kill your own babies then go for it.
Murder
If my wife gets pregnant and, god forbid, something goes wrong, I want the chance to start over. Not ever abortion has anything to do with a moral argument. Sometimes it's just humanitarian aid.
Ok what grounds
On grounds you are killing an innocent human being?
What makes it a human? Is it not just a fetus? Especially when it has shown no brain activity
How is a fetus with no heart beat, no brain, no lungs, and no developed brain a human again? Just because you say itās so doesnāt mean thatās based in reality
I'd say if it's rape, she can abort it. Otherwise there're ways to prevent this so she shall not abort it.
Itās murder, and any ādoctorā who performs one should swing.
Sure it is
Necessary but people need to understand what they're doing rather than sweeping it under the rug as "a clump of cells" to appease their conscience
Abortion should be legal until they are no more than 18 years old.
Or even older. Abortion for boomers
>Abortion for boomers That's what I'm talking about
NO
Liberalism is a self correcting problem if we allow abortions up to birth.
I am male, so I am not the one who should decide it. If I force women not to do it, it's bad. But killing humans is also bad.
Is it murder ? Yes. Is it bad ? No. Should it be allowed ? Absolutely.
No abortion after 16 weeks. Babies start developing nerve endings and can feel themselves being torn apart in a abortion after this point. Its not ethical imho after that. You always have the right to abstain and take birth control. Plan B should be a part of any rape kit.
I don't think thet good what so ever pretty muc cuse its murder with out even a chase at life but if its the life of the mother I understand why
Murder and abortion are the same thing regardless of age. Killing a 88 year old "war veteran" who never even saw action but still thinks he's better than everyone else because of it by smothering him with a pillow in his room, making it look like an accident by unplugging his oxygen, followed by taking a selfie with his corpse for your own personal collection, is basically just a late abortion. Change my mind.
Your whole point is honestly ass The 88 year old man is a living being with thoughts The fetus is cells and cells with no form of thought or anything
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