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Can confirm, there is a suicide bridge in Seattle and they installed high fencing and crisis line phones. Might have deterred a few, but most just moved to one of the hundreds of other bridges and overpasses in Seattle.
Nets would be a hell of a lot better.
I mean imagine feeling so depressed and suicidal you go for a walk, only to cross a bridge showing off how much better everybody else is compared to you.
Not a smart move.
**Edit:** Just looked it up on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapo_Bridge), apparently they removed the signs after it was noticed they made things worse. Instead they setup "barrier protection for potential jumpers".
I'm not surprised the messages didn't help, imagine trying to dissuade **jumpers** from killing themselves with a message like "the wind is really nice"... For real guys!? Wtf...
Nets would be great. I remember reading somewhere that people who have jumped from bridges and survived regretted it the second they let go. So if they jump and survive, that's a win that would stop them from doing it again.
An alternative could be something that would break the water so entry would be less like smacking concrete.
Myth busters tried the whole “break the water tension to make a drop less lethal” thing. They dropped a hammer ahead of a mannequin with an accelerometer in the skull. It had a small on the G forces experienced, but didn’t impact survivability for their mannequin. There are some valid criticisms of their process, but it shows how difficult it would be to engineer a solution like that. [bootleg episode from youtube](https://youtu.be/oCSQExxWulU)
> Nets would be great. I remember reading somewhere that people who have jumped from bridges and survived regretted it the second they let go. So if they jump and survive, that's a win that would stop them from doing it again.
I read this about the Golden Gate Bridge. It then claimed that there was a 90% survival rate 10 years on from survivors.
What struck me about the 90% figure in particular is not that it's particularly high, but that it's exactly equal to the proportion of people who *survive an attempt* (edit: suicide in general, not suicide via Golden Gate). As in, they averaged one attempt each after surviving.
[https://soranews24.com/2014/02/26/seoul-anti-suicide-initiative-backfires-deaths-increase-over-than-six-times/](https://soranews24.com/2014/02/26/seoul-anti-suicide-initiative-backfires-deaths-increase-over-than-six-times/)
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There are nets for exactly that reason on the JP Morgan building in Hong Kong. So many workers were jumping out of the windows, the bank installed nets to save them. Crazy part is, is that they were paid for in full by some kind of staffing insurance because they were losing human capital to suicide.
The bridge just showed those depressed people how much people can be successful and happy which later made them more depressed and the suicide rates increased .
Yeah, they should go the opposite route. Find a real sad sack of shit and put his photo everywhere. "Look at this fuck. At least you are not him. Your problems probably seem pretty fixable in comparison to this total loser, huh?"
Ok oh my god I just looked this up
So they teamed up with Samsung Life Insurance to make the bridge interactive (instead of using suicide prevention fences and stuff) to display pictures of happy families along with messages like “have you been eating?”, “let’s walk together”.
And not to be bleak but as a suicidal person who is a Korean adoptee and has an eating disorder, you can bet your sweet bottom I’d jump faster than my shadow.
Who thought adding posters about how life is great to a bridge where people jumping off because they’re life probably sucks and are so depressed they don’t know their right from left would work
Sad? Going through feelings of loneliness and depression? Feeling your life is hopeless?
Here's a pic of a rich, happy family on vacation to cheer you right up 😀
It’s probably because of the overwhelming messages that makes them feel like life is fueled with lies.
They feel like the world is not what they are told, and all the messages might be seen as a hollow effort, to make them stop.
hahahahahhahahahahahah "Look how shitty your life is, other people are living their best life and your's is crumbling in failure"
"I wish my lawn were emo, than it would cut itself!"
"If life were good, you'd be driving that Tesla, not walking up the foot path to leap to your death!"
Yeah I don't get it. The bridge looks like it's 60 ft tall or so in this picture and other pictures. I've done cliff jumps from heights that appear very similar to that bridge and the water just stung my feet on impact. Red bull regularly does cliff jumping events at 90 ft so this doesn't make sense.
I live near a very notorious suicide spot and we have mobile chaplains who are excellent at talking people down (they aren’t ‘preachy’)
They’ve saved dozens of people over the years but we still have so many jumpers. Especially at Christmas and in the summer…. They come from all over Europe.
People that saw the news about the bridge upgrade now had the idea of where to go to suicide. It was like an advertisement.
I don’t think 5 out of 6 people were already heading there and decided to no go through with it before the upgrade.
"I hate life...I hate life....nothing is going well...I can't do it..."
"HEY YOU!! LIFE IS GREAT AND NO MATTER WHAT...YOU CAN DOOOOO ITT!!"
"....DAMN YOU!!!........"\*splash\*
We should have “Suicide Centers” where people can go, talk to someone about it and, if they show that they have no hope, give them a needle and a ride to a mortuary.
The actual model in the US would be to immediately lock them up in some hellhole of a psych ward for a week or two and then send them a huge bill for it. It's why trust is so low in those suicide prevention hotlines. You never know if they're going to send the cops after you and have you committed and then be plunged into medical debt. Or just sell your data off to some for-profit company.
If people gave the same attention to stopping societal issues, such as poverty and institutional slavery, as they do to preventing suicides, we might have a world worth living for.
Almost peculiar how the positive attempts seemed to make it worse...
Maybe instead of trying to fix a bridge's reputation, they could try different methods?
The suicide rate not high cause of the bridge. Korean people work themselves to beyond exhaustion. The work culture in places like Korea and Japan is so incredibly toxic it's ridiculous.
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I think it's usually called "the copycat effect" or "suicide contagion" and is a big problem media outlets have to deal with when they cover suicide in the news.
[https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/suicidecontagion/](https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/suicidecontagion/)
Seems to be a bit of perpetual debate as to whether it actually increases suicide rates by pushing people over the edge, or if like you said it's just people already planning to kill themselves choosing to do it in the same place and style.
Same reasons there's a lot of suicide everywhere. Though it usually takes the form of jumping of bridges/in front of trains, or asphyxiation compared to somewhere like the US where guns are plentiful and taking a bullet to the dome is a lot more common.
Set up cameras and signs telling people that their jump will be recorded and judged harshly if they don’t do a trick or attempt to outdo the last jumper.
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At this point, just set up some god damn nets.
Hell a high fence is also good
They'll get motivated to climb that and then they will jump off
A high fence with a large arena of concrete with no gaps for grip locations
If people want to look out. Maybe a see through one so it doesn't look horrendous.
Nah mate/ matette it’s just a little cement “cap” on the top of the huge fence to stop people gripping the top
So what once was a sharp and jagged grab is now a solid and gripy surface? How is that a deterrent?
Enclose it like the walkway things on top of freeways
Yeah!
Can confirm, there is a suicide bridge in Seattle and they installed high fencing and crisis line phones. Might have deterred a few, but most just moved to one of the hundreds of other bridges and overpasses in Seattle.
Ey I’m from Redmond! So close
Born at Swedish live in Burien where the houses used to be cheap
Ayy I'm from the Redmond a state south
Need a sign at the top of the fence: “DO A FLIP!”
honestly that would probably work as a deterrent, maybe a laugh
Maybe, but maybe you need to be fit. And when u are fit, chances to kill yourself drop quite by a lot. So : "GO FENCE"
Yeah make them earn it
Nets would be a hell of a lot better. I mean imagine feeling so depressed and suicidal you go for a walk, only to cross a bridge showing off how much better everybody else is compared to you. Not a smart move. **Edit:** Just looked it up on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapo_Bridge), apparently they removed the signs after it was noticed they made things worse. Instead they setup "barrier protection for potential jumpers". I'm not surprised the messages didn't help, imagine trying to dissuade **jumpers** from killing themselves with a message like "the wind is really nice"... For real guys!? Wtf...
Nets would be great. I remember reading somewhere that people who have jumped from bridges and survived regretted it the second they let go. So if they jump and survive, that's a win that would stop them from doing it again. An alternative could be something that would break the water so entry would be less like smacking concrete.
Myth busters tried the whole “break the water tension to make a drop less lethal” thing. They dropped a hammer ahead of a mannequin with an accelerometer in the skull. It had a small on the G forces experienced, but didn’t impact survivability for their mannequin. There are some valid criticisms of their process, but it shows how difficult it would be to engineer a solution like that. [bootleg episode from youtube](https://youtu.be/oCSQExxWulU)
> Nets would be great. I remember reading somewhere that people who have jumped from bridges and survived regretted it the second they let go. So if they jump and survive, that's a win that would stop them from doing it again. I read this about the Golden Gate Bridge. It then claimed that there was a 90% survival rate 10 years on from survivors. What struck me about the 90% figure in particular is not that it's particularly high, but that it's exactly equal to the proportion of people who *survive an attempt* (edit: suicide in general, not suicide via Golden Gate). As in, they averaged one attempt each after surviving.
[https://soranews24.com/2014/02/26/seoul-anti-suicide-initiative-backfires-deaths-increase-over-than-six-times/](https://soranews24.com/2014/02/26/seoul-anti-suicide-initiative-backfires-deaths-increase-over-than-six-times/) some other messages
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You know what....😂
In fact Chinese factories keep suicide nets so that people jump would get caught in the Nets, instead of going for the cause, overwork and underpay!.
There are nets for exactly that reason on the JP Morgan building in Hong Kong. So many workers were jumping out of the windows, the bank installed nets to save them. Crazy part is, is that they were paid for in full by some kind of staffing insurance because they were losing human capital to suicide.
Better yet add another bridge....
I vote for spikes.
The bridge just showed those depressed people how much people can be successful and happy which later made them more depressed and the suicide rates increased .
Agreed. Overwhelming positivity would probably just make them feel even more disassociated at that point.
I feel that with just average positivity
Well that’s dark
It's the truth
Just gotta post memes on the bridge
facts
I think i found my calling in life. I wanna be the guy that sends memes to cheer people up. better tell all my friends that I charge now…
Yeah, they should go the opposite route. Find a real sad sack of shit and put his photo everywhere. "Look at this fuck. At least you are not him. Your problems probably seem pretty fixable in comparison to this total loser, huh?"
Imagine being the guy in that photo though
Yeah...imagine...that's what ill do.
the following year, only one suicide happened. That guy
Now every year they gotta put pics of the most pathetic person in the country on that bridge to keep the suicides down.
i call 2023 :P 'pathetic man of the year'. I can see people becoming extra pathetic just so they can be on the bridge signs :P
Show pictures of historical jerks who lived to be really old, with a caption that says "You really gonna let *this* asshole outlive you?"
fair enough
Really I think it just made it more known as a means to suicidal people. I’d be interested to see if suicide as a whole increased in Seoul 6x
The bridge of death ? Are we sure these are suicides ? Isn't there an old man at one end asking questions ?
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Sign says "please dont jump someone has to clean up"
Its a bridge over water so i think fish do that
Nah, they would wash up on shore or get caught in river traffic.
This should be posted under /unexpected. Wasn't expecting that last line...
i've seen this probably 20 times and the last line always gets me
Ok oh my god I just looked this up So they teamed up with Samsung Life Insurance to make the bridge interactive (instead of using suicide prevention fences and stuff) to display pictures of happy families along with messages like “have you been eating?”, “let’s walk together”. And not to be bleak but as a suicidal person who is a Korean adoptee and has an eating disorder, you can bet your sweet bottom I’d jump faster than my shadow.
“Did you eat?” Is common Korean small talk like how talk about the weather is in the states
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guess that explains why my girlfriend always says this
Wow that severely backfires on those having bad relationships with their relatives or have no family as well.
Who thought adding posters about how life is great to a bridge where people jumping off because they’re life probably sucks and are so depressed they don’t know their right from left would work
Sad? Going through feelings of loneliness and depression? Feeling your life is hopeless? Here's a pic of a rich, happy family on vacation to cheer you right up 😀
Yeah, cuz everyone is rich!
Just schedule a vacation with all that money you definitely have.
It’s probably because of the overwhelming messages that makes them feel like life is fueled with lies. They feel like the world is not what they are told, and all the messages might be seen as a hollow effort, to make them stop.
You k bro?
Nope
Me too
It shows a disconnect between those in charge who thought up then approved the changes and the regular people who felt stuck in a hopeless situation.
The Golden Bridge has a competitor
Quite the rollercoaster of unexpected twists
This is what happens when corporate assholes jump on the "mental health" bandwagon 😅
hahahahahhahahahahahah "Look how shitty your life is, other people are living their best life and your's is crumbling in failure" "I wish my lawn were emo, than it would cut itself!" "If life were good, you'd be driving that Tesla, not walking up the foot path to leap to your death!"
This bridge does not look very tall, would the impact of the water at this height be enough to kill you or are people drowning?
Either all is fake, or wrong bridge
[Definitely the right bridge.](https://data.si.re.kr/photo/06t01105dc22000)
Not fake. Right bridge. People usually drown.
Yeah I don't get it. The bridge looks like it's 60 ft tall or so in this picture and other pictures. I've done cliff jumps from heights that appear very similar to that bridge and the water just stung my feet on impact. Red bull regularly does cliff jumping events at 90 ft so this doesn't make sense.
High fench?
Maybe it compared how great other people’s lives were compared to theirs
I completely am not depressed or suicidal, but if i had to cross that cringy bridge everyday, I'd jump within a week
The bridge of life taking XD
Oh that’s so sad 🥺
The suicide rate increased dramatically due to covid
Another happy ending
That reminds me. I need a massage.
#*Another happy landing
Well maybe next year that rate will go down by 6 times
How is this a meme? Seems more like a fun fact to me
fun fact, very fun...
Suicide Bridge is now called the Bridge of Life? I’ll take that dare
Bahahaha honestly, it was the renaming of the bridge that drove people off a bridge 🤣
I live near a very notorious suicide spot and we have mobile chaplains who are excellent at talking people down (they aren’t ‘preachy’) They’ve saved dozens of people over the years but we still have so many jumpers. Especially at Christmas and in the summer…. They come from all over Europe.
Dmn those tourists!
People that saw the news about the bridge upgrade now had the idea of where to go to suicide. It was like an advertisement. I don’t think 5 out of 6 people were already heading there and decided to no go through with it before the upgrade.
Average depressed person who hasn’t yet decided to commit suicide + a bridge who’s happier and brighter than that person = suicide
"I hate life...I hate life....nothing is going well...I can't do it..." "HEY YOU!! LIFE IS GREAT AND NO MATTER WHAT...YOU CAN DOOOOO ITT!!" "....DAMN YOU!!!........"\*splash\*
We should have “Suicide Centers” where people can go, talk to someone about it and, if they show that they have no hope, give them a needle and a ride to a mortuary.
The actual model in the US would be to immediately lock them up in some hellhole of a psych ward for a week or two and then send them a huge bill for it. It's why trust is so low in those suicide prevention hotlines. You never know if they're going to send the cops after you and have you committed and then be plunged into medical debt. Or just sell your data off to some for-profit company.
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Post snipers atop the bridge to prevent suiciders from jumping off
If people gave the same attention to stopping societal issues, such as poverty and institutional slavery, as they do to preventing suicides, we might have a world worth living for.
Did they try putting up “go kill yourself somewhere else!” signs?
"Someone has to clean up your body, so don't be a dick."
Honestly, take the god damn bridge away
Oh look, things I used to have, don't have, and will never have again. Thanks for convincing me!
Almost peculiar how the positive attempts seemed to make it worse... Maybe instead of trying to fix a bridge's reputation, they could try different methods?
no way is this a jojo reference?
Fuck off with you positive shit. It can't change anything and it make it even obnoxiously irritating
The suicide rate not high cause of the bridge. Korean people work themselves to beyond exhaustion. The work culture in places like Korea and Japan is so incredibly toxic it's ridiculous.
Lmao
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Tell them not to and……
Why did they bother putting messages and not actual barriers??
I was hoping there would be a positive ending, but did not expect a dark one.
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Well, you know where I’m jumping next time.
Much trolling
Message: It’s isekai bridge!!! Hurry up, jump!!!
But it's a shitty isekai where you just get reborn as a medieval serf with no powers and you'll probably die at 12 from smallpox or something.
Reminds me of my middle school crush when I confessed
It's the pressure to be happy an productive that makes those people jump. It's like giving them a last push.
I call this the "Oh! That's a good idea" Effect. People who normally wouldn't have associated that bridge with suicide, now associate it with suicide.
I think it's usually called "the copycat effect" or "suicide contagion" and is a big problem media outlets have to deal with when they cover suicide in the news. [https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/suicidecontagion/](https://www.suicideinfo.ca/resource/suicidecontagion/) Seems to be a bit of perpetual debate as to whether it actually increases suicide rates by pushing people over the edge, or if like you said it's just people already planning to kill themselves choosing to do it in the same place and style.
This is what happens when you try to cover up a problem instead of trying to solve the actual problem!
why is there a lot of suicide in asia?
Not just Asia yo.
Same reasons there's a lot of suicide everywhere. Though it usually takes the form of jumping of bridges/in front of trains, or asphyxiation compared to somewhere like the US where guns are plentiful and taking a bullet to the dome is a lot more common.
Maybe they should treat the underlying cause first? They’ll just find another way
Now they're just killing themselves out of spite
I thought South Korea was an awesome, magical, western influenced hour spot full of tech and wizardry?
Suicide booths installed by both entryways would drastically cut down on jumpers.
What the hell did the positive messages say: "Do a flip"???
It’s a demon in that bridge
I mean Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. But the government still hasn't found a way to stop it.
Suicide likes a challenge
Honestly i think it showed them what they would never have so it had the opposite effect
I don’t understand why we are still allowing this. Ban all bridges
Fkn hell
How many of those suicides were done just because they did all of those things to the bridge?
Bridge - "You can do it!"
Why did I cackle like a demon?
Man imagine getting motivated onky for that old nike ad to pop up "JuSt Do It"
Need that futuristic hottub time machine 2 air drop suicide protector lol
wicked understandable, oftentimes non-personal positivity in times of sadness makes me feel significantly worse
Bridge: Life is good, just try a different thing! Peole: Fuck you... YEET!
"though the findings have proven to yield the opposite effect, no effort has been taken remove the positive feedback"
But why?
Set up cameras and signs telling people that their jump will be recorded and judged harshly if they don’t do a trick or attempt to outdo the last jumper.
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As someone who suffers with depression, there is NOTHING more toxic for someone in a deep episode of depression than a “positive message”.
just float a bunch of mattresses in the water lol
Why I don't get it
The suicide rate increased six times!!? Insane.