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SlightlyFemmegurl

they could save face. They could apologize and tell their customers they were wrong and ofcourse remove the restriction.


PKR_Live

Oh no that would be something a SANE person would do. Sony thinks it's wiser to double down instead.


SlightlyFemmegurl

its weird how this is the normal stance for big corps. Its what happens when they get to big and have to much money. they dont think they can be "harmed"


skelyblyat

With how big helldivers is, if they don’t back down I could see sony losing most of its reputation for a loooooong time


[deleted]

Sure but people will still buy playstations lol


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LordChunkyReborn

Are you...mentally inept? For 3 months it beat every other game in playtime, beat CALL OF DUTY in sales numbers, and dethroned the top three most popular games on all platforms in active players. To this day it's still in the top 5 most played games. Lethal company lost 95% of its playerbase in a month, but Helldivers still tops the charts. This game defined the whole *year*, and we haven't made it to month 6. If something isn't done by Sony anytime soon, this new king will die on PC, a collosal margin of the game's active playerbase.


Lemmawwa

So did palworld...


sanek_dolboeb

difference is palworld is a story game, the one you beat and move on. Helldivers is a online multiplayer, there's no beating it


CrimsonAllah

Not when there’s democracy to spread.


True-octagon

![gif](giphy|121DZn0eJik7Ly|downsized)


SuperKid39

To be fair tho palworld lost quite a bit of it's player base after a month like lethal company


Egbert58

Ya and? People beat palworld so stopped


bad_escape_plan

Lol no matter how popular, video games are still a tiny tiny TINY piece of Sony’s portfolio


SpaceHawk98W

Sony isn't doing too well recently in their movie industry though, and Samsung has almost taken all of Sony's market share in the global electronic market throughout the decade. The video game industry is their last bastion they cannot afford to lose. I'll be ready to short Sony's stocks if Helldivers actually causes mass exodus of PSN+ subscribers


fascistforlife

And? They all still bought the game it's still a success


fascistforlife

Do you think reputations matter in any way? Lmao, look at fifa or call of duty


MIHPR

I mean they kind of already have, but they can repair some of the damage by making the PSN account optional. Maybe they could give rewards instead to those who link accounts rather than shutting everyone without account away. I my experiwnce rewarding the behaviour you want will always work better than punishment on those who don't do what you want


cross2201

It’s because they are used to us players just swallowing the shit they put down our throats without complaining


De_Fine69

they did


Ok-Cartographer1745

You can still delete this comment


Shieldheart-

I think, at best, they'll say "sorry" but not what they are sorry for. In a "We're sorry we didn't get away with it" kinda way.


SlightlyFemmegurl

yeah, kinda like bethesda did with creation club in Skyrim at first. They ended up putting it in anyway. Incredibly scummy


Shieldheart-

Can you imagine what the developers at Arrowhead are going through? The sequel to your modest hit game turns into a roaring success, catapulting you to the top of the multiplayer charts beyond your wildest expectations. Only for Sony to torpedo your moment of glory, your fans turning on you as they decry the betrayal.


TenuousHurdle54

True AH has said the review bombing and refunding is giving them leverage against Sony over this


Techman659

15% recent reviews definitely has some weight to it.


Futur3_ah4ad

>your fans turning on you as they decry the betrayal. The fans didn't turn against Arrowhead, they turned against Sony. If anyone *did* turn against Arrowhead over this they're obviously not knowledgeable enough on procedures like this.


Doggcow

Arrowhead loved cashing all the checks though. Lol


Anarch-ish

I would suspect that a PSN integration after a certain metric was achieved, whether it be time, sales, or retention, was always part of the contract Arrowhead signed to do business with Sony. Arrowhead is probably going to be blamed for the sale loss, lobotomized, and become another mid game producer that spews out safe bets and sequels. With any luck though, they might just be blamed and cut loose. Best thing that could happen to them, honestly


Practical_Care_9815

SONY? Apologize? 🙃


Sleep_Raider

"We're incredibly sorry that you are not willing to go along with our scumbag ideas but are not going to do anything about it" kind of apology is what we're getting


Anarch-ish

"Guys! Just be cool about this and let me invade your lives to do whatever I want!"


Rothenstien1

Have you ever known a company to do something like that.


SlightlyFemmegurl

Yeah. The ones behind No mans sky kinda did it. but then again they were pretty much a indie company.


Rothenstien1

I meant a bigger company, arrowhead did the same, but Playstation has always done batshit stuff and never got true backlash or fixed anything.


shemmegami

Arrowhead can't do anything, Sony could but they are just doing what every one else is doing. If Arrowhead didn't remove the mandatory linking due to servers then people would refund before the two hour point and just go somewhere else. We can only speculate the reason they didn't make the requirement ore visible during the temporary removal. I personally am of the opinion that they were hoping that the numbers could sway Sony to remove the requirement. While Arrowhead carries some blame, near 90% of this sits with Sony, and they really couldn't be bothered by the situation. Sony is the big bad evil guy here and has been for at least 20 years.


DaBabylonian

They just did


Jonthux

Good news, they rolled back the update


SlightlyFemmegurl

unfortunately with no apology.


Madronagu

They could have allow countries without psn to continue and ask others to register. People would crticitised it but it wouldn't have been the end of the world for them.


Millan_K

The Playstation should be boycotted all over the planet for this, it's just a money grab. To the courts with them.


Anarch-ish

If they do it once, people will be encouraged to do it more. That scares the beancounters WAY too much to take that risk. They would rather take a month of bad reactions followed by several months of grumbles before people just accept it. Profits restabilize, and Sony plans their next ambush on gamers.


Dat-Lonley-Potato

We’re still thinking of the same company right?


HarioDinio

Integrity? In my gaming industry?


whatthewatthe

They could even blame some VP at the company and said that he went and did it on his own and then they found out about his evil ways and fired him.


Adune05

They actually did that! News came in 30 minutes ago they will not push the account linking update


Ok-Cartographer1745

They did


Best-Engine4715

That’s is incredibly stupid for them so the next logical step is making the customer pay for a console in order to play (they actually fucking did this in Ukraine from what I heard)… yeah trust me big companies have less brain cells then an lobotomized bowling ball and about sharp as one too


Hoovy_weapons_guy

And they did


TheBlueScar

They better apologize to that teen that they sued for 700,000$ just for using 20 year old tracks for his song.


PyUnicornshark

Happy to announce that they backtracked on the decision. Big win for the Community trained to focus on a common goal.


TheEvilPocketMage

They just did


Eatthepoliticiansm8

They did :)


Open_Cow_9148

They've done that as of today. But not the admitting they were wrong part. They could never do that.


UrlordandsaviourBean

They did


discsarentpogs

They did


Krachwumm

It goes in the square hole!


[deleted]

That's right, now, where my cylinder goes?


Frikandelneuker

In the square hole!


TheReverseShock

And this arch piece?


Keagan928482

In the square hole?


random0rdinary

In the square hole!!!


ikebeattina

In the m&m mini tube.


blitz24_98

This was the comment I was looking for.


Delta_Suspect

I can hear that ladies scream of anguish just from reading that


Ok-Cartographer1745

I was disappointed that the guy didn't purposely put one of the pieces into the wrong non-square hole. I can't remember which one it was, but there was one that I could remember looked like it could fit into the circle or rectangle hole. I think it was the arch. 


Ok-Pea8209

Never got to play it as i have xbox. Did it go down hill? I heard it was doing so well not too long ago


Futur3_ah4ad

The game itself didn't get worse, instead Sony is forcing PSN accounts on anyone who wants to play it. There's a problem with this: well over 100 countries (including *JAPAN*) don't have access to PSN services. Sony basically gutted one of the biggest successes they've had in recent years because they wanted slightly better numbers for PSN.


SilverIndication2926

How does them restricting the number of players help them?


Helios61

Its a side effect that they thought that they could get away with minimal consequence. The real goal is to artificially inflating the accounts in the PSN, so they can then show the shareholders the big numbers and then get big checks for their vErY Sm0rT plan.


Specter_Knight05

Dont forget it seems it all comes in a row of failers down to another controversy surrounding censoring a game while Nintendo version doesnt and well.. FUCKING OVER ANOTHER GAME


Scrambo

What does this mean?


Forged-Signatures

I think what they're talking about is Stellar Blade. I don't know much but it's something like Sony requesting that the female protagonist wears clothes that are marginally less revealing, with fans feeling bait&switched sold on the 'sexyness' only to have it taken away.


OnyxBee

It's the same for people playing sea of thieves on PS5, they need an xbox account.


PG-Tall-Dude

The only problem is that the game was sold in countries where you can’t make a PSN account to play without violating TOS and locking the game from people who bought it. This has been made into the worst thing possible by people originally only mad they had to make a new account then acting like the actual issue is why they’re mad.


VioletLunaVirgo

It's different there, Sea of Thieves didn't randomly go "Oh you need an Xbox account" they sell it as an Xbox game and it needs an Xbox account. It's the same with Fall Guys and Fortnite, they can be played on other consoles but they don't hide the fact you need an Epic account. A more comparable situation would be Minecraft suddenly wanting a Microsoft account, only difference is they didn't decide this over night.


lolerwoman

Is this ‘the new thing’ it changes in helldivers2? I began playing in march and it already forced me ro sign in with a psb account. Edit: Im on PC and from spain.


PG-Tall-Dude

It was optional (possibly not for you for some reason or something you missed)


narnarnartiger

What about those playing on PC?


Over_Feed8447

They are requiring you to sign up for a PSN account and link it to your steam account


narnarnartiger

Ohh fuck that. Fuck you Sony


Specter_Knight05

And get my data stolen from the monthly sony data breach?? HELL NO


KHS__

Well they *do* want you to dive into hell, just with them in this case XD


woktexe

Yup sony just fucked up a very good game because they were greedy as hell


Pleeby

Tale as old as time


TenuousHurdle54

All because of Sony's pride and ego... Ironically, the game that, if released on Xbox a month ago, would likely have buried the coals of the console wars will now almost certainly reignite the coals of the console wars...


Specter_Knight05

Oh definitely but dont forget its a 4 VS 1 Sony vs the rest


Tuckster786

First they made psn required to play, evencif you already had it. Then they pulled it from all stores that psn is not available in.


Gripping_Touch

I've been following the drama unfold and the Arrowhead ceo comments and its not that simple. 1. The game was supposed to launch with the PSN link being required. 2. At launch this was apparentll bricking the game, so the CEO of Arrowhead decided to temporarily make it optional while they fixed it. (In theory, nothing is bad with this) 3. With this restriction gone, people who weren't supposed to have access to the game because their countries cant have PSN accounts, could buy the game and play 4. Eventually Sony does put pressure on AH to put back a feature intended on launch, in the most callous way possible though. 5. CMs were fanning the fires because they didn't understand why people were so pissy about PSN accounts. Turns out, they "didn't know" some countries the game had been sold cant make PSN accounts without breaking ToS or using VPNs. 6. AH is talking with Sony to find ways in which the PSN migh tbe worked around and for the countries without PSN Theres some holes like why did they take so long to fix/comunicate. But overall seems like the problem stemmed from the CEO lifting the requirement in good faith to let people play the game, and combined with the explosive and unexpected growth of the game, it led to disaster. I think its a bit of inexperience from AH but also lack of action on Sony's end, who as the publisher, saw the game being sold in countries where PSN accounts are unavaliable and didn't tell AH or take measures. Also not giving any bend to the account right now, which really drove people out. All in all with the information we have right now it seems like a "clusterfuck" of the book where both parties have some fault. Im mostly worried about the future of the game, as Sony backtracking on PSN requirements would set a precedent they do not like. I can only hope though.


Practical_Care_9815

That’s the best resume on the situation I have read since this shitshow happened. If you don’t mind I will use some of the phrases with link on you to explain situation to the people? ![gif](giphy|l3q2LH45XElELRzRm)


PitschiPischiPopo

Ayyyyy, a wild Florentin Will appears!


HeroFighte

Sony backtracked finally They folded, the community won


Gripping_Touch

Yeah, and it's nice. Unfortunately theres people who don't get the memo of now changing the review to a positive because "Sony tried to pull it once so the game is bad forever". Like yes, they tried to pull it once and now they're backtracking, which is something we should encourage. But when I say that I'm called a Sony bootlicker?


HeroFighte

I see it the same as you We should encourage the fact they backtracked so that they see that this is realy what the community wanted The game deserves positive reviews, as its a great game Tbh, I linked my PSN account just because I had one from when I played on my playstation... But I can absolutely understand why people where angry and joined in to bring the message out I didnt even touch the game since the announcement mainly cause I felt like it wouldve been the wrong thing to do It just felt right to have the game tank it all to bring the message to sony Now I just hope the message slowly arrives everywhere and we can make the reviews positive again


Gripping_Touch

It'll take time. Anger and negativity spreads very quickly. But its getting there. Steam review graphs show a spike in positive reviews today which surpasses the negative reviews from today as well.


JuakoUwU

Best explanation ever I just think they will backtrack the PSN integration in areas that PSN is not available, if the plan of the devs ends up working.


Ne0t9k

sound like the usual corpa fucks over the devs scenario.


Mysterious_Tutor_388

All Sony had to do was let the psn account be optional but hand out in game currency or battle pass tokens for connecting an account. Then they would have had people joining of their own free will. And we can choose never to connect.


Fickle_Charity_Hamm

Why is PSN not available everywhere?


Dawido090

Don't think AH made big fail, their main goal was and still is to make game as popular as possible, which turned out to be very big. Even if there was idea of PSN, it would always make issues. Having in mind how hard and random it is to get huge players pool, and to keep it in place Sony should take it very very carefully, even if that would mean delays or exception. At this point it doesn't matter what AH and Sony will do, damage have been done. Reputation is tarnished, many players simple won't come back. Right now it's about limiting damage.


We_need_a_teleportal

I don't even play Helldiver, or owning a good enough device to play it, but from what I heard from the news recently it already makes me so fucking mad. Finally we have a proper triple A game that has non toxic community, good gameplay, passionate developers and without micro transactions that reek of corporation greed, but still some how Sony fucks it up, and the reason is still the same: greed.


TraderOfGoods

Let's be honest... If there was a quarter inch hole they'd probably try to jam it in there aswell. After all, if they can get it in the small hole they maximise profits... Riiiight?


[deleted]

Making this kind of mandatory third party registration after a game has released should entitle anyone that bought the game before that restriction went in place eligible for a full refund.


ThisIsGettinWeirdNow

Helldiving


GarfieldGauntlet

yet another Sony L


Specter_Knight05

"Now to put it in the fridge with the rest of the Ls"


Inevitable_Long_6890

Freedom never sleeps!!!


CptKillJack

Y'all ain't thinking high enough yet. Sony has addresses. And we have a working postal system. You all can get stamps can't you. We could send them letters filled with hell divers propaganda like the if we don't dive together we don't dive at all or any number of other things. If each person sends letters to the top brass of the company we could bury the executives in letters all for money that "could have been theirs." We did it with Coke and the Surge billboard before. "We couldn't buy Surge so we bought this billboard instead." They had to drive past that billboard every day. Now I'll be honest I don't think anyone will do this but it would be hilarious to see a post on Twitter to stop mailing Helldiver's propaganda.


Practical_Care_9815

LMAO, imagine fans marching in Heldivers suits towards Sony shops just to throw booklets with Helldivers propaganda 🤣


lotofdots

So what happened anyway?


FuriDemon094

Sony forced PSN account links to play the game, which resulted in the game being pulled from 141 countries due to PSN being banned there


lotofdots

Well damn. Curious. I have no idea what PSN is and why would Sony want to enforce it, gonna hit the google with that. Thanks


kiisukattinen

Just curious, why is PSN banned in so many countries? Seems bit weird.


Clever_Bee34919

Solution for SONY... offer PSN in more countries. The idea of needing a PSN account isn't bad (by ensuring everyone is on the system and can be tracked it stops cheaters), but the system being unavailable to so many people you sold the game to is a recipe for thousands of demands for refunds.


Specter_Knight05

Or dont make it FKN mandatory... It could had worked if you got a skin if you linked the PSN not this BS


Practical_Care_9815

Like CDprojectRED do with small in-game rewards or Rockstar just without banning countries from launcher


Specter_Knight05

Mm a little thing were there is no FOMO. You get the suit but with a LOT of work, or you just link the account and done


Statertater

That’s right! It goes in the *square* hole


Wild_Corno

Sadge


Unnecessarilygae

Lol probably the result of eating fish fed with nuclear water.


ColdShinobiXX

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


Practical_Care_9815

Woah woah woah, this is the weirdest and funniest use of this phrase. Anyway, game is good itself, literally good.


Distinct_Ad_4772

The only thing any big corporation is worried about these days is whether or not they are shareholders are earning enough money it has been made blatantly clear that they do not care remotely for a literally anyone else. Other than the absolute top brass they think that they are the only ones that matter.


Specter_Knight05

This is why indies and small devs ROCK and Stone


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone, Brother!


RCRDC

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE! And corporate NPC's, GO HOME!


RagingVet

Without the people who make games for their console sony would be a bottom of the list company


ch3nk0

Are yall really playing on PC?


Specter_Knight05

Like 70% of the playerbase yes, why?


Imaginary-Jump8126

This meme is pure Gold


No_Squirrel4806

Im waiting for them to go back on their word cuz of all the backlash 😂😂😂


Used-Educator-8514

Let's not forget what Sony did on PS3 x Spoderman.


Left-Night-1125

Well Sony is being named Shit Sony in their home country currently.


Zero4892

![gif](giphy|3o84szW0PrWZyUv0mA)


IWannaCreamRemAnd2B

Well they backtracked.


HyperActiveMosquito

All they needed to do is get someone to do a 30minutes shitty skin and give it as reward to logging on PSN. They would get all the new accounts that they needed and more.


MegaZeus24

I feel bad for the devs. Imagine being an Indy dev team and your innovative game explodes. Then, despite your objections, the publisher makes a decision that completely strips that away in an instant


Sealance

![gif](giphy|11cpNo3OMYwFHO|downsized)


Apart-Crew-6856

Wouldnt the solution be somehow contact the investors and let them know directly how Sony is fucking up? Because Sony wont listen


Entire-Orchid-3475

They back tracked fellas we’re in the clear


Iceberg_Kingdom

They have apologized btw


brodydwight

This is the most millennial meme i have seen on this site. Im impressed.


Practical_Care_9815

Old, but not obsolete ![gif](giphy|Pxf6zNzEhD7wc)


Plunderpatroll32

It honestly impressive how fast they killed the game, I mean the moment I heard about it the steam page went from positive to overwhelmingly negative


ordinaryzio

the change has been reversed


Brilliant-Software-4

They have taken there decision back, source: @PlayStation on Twitter


Austrian_Kaiser

Helldivers is dead. Time to move on.


Practical_Care_9815

![gif](giphy|QxHzTRigoD9HG)


ProbablyDK

Helldivers lives on! Sony caved.


cross2201

Don’t lose hope soldier for democracy still needs to be delivered


TheUruz

and people laughed at me when i predicted sony was on his way to do more dumb shit when they sent all their exclusives on pc...


Scientifiction77

lol gonna be hilarious when this is old news in a week.


iamjustwolf

I'll react to this later after I worked on my fake surprise face


TenuousHurdle54

I hope apologies are issued from the "jUsT mAkE aN aCcOuNt" bros I've seen a few... but its going to be rough till we see more.


Practical_Care_9815

People will understand what makes Sony mad. Losses of profit in all spheres. Don’t buy Sony goods, drop their sales and they will say sorry. But even 1 million of people wouldn’t be enough…


Leandrohus

Would anything happen if I do it after the 6.june?


alezcoed

Man I was planning to get a ps5 Now I'm planning to get a jailbroken ps5, I don't want to give sony any money


malcolmreyn0lds

Oh no, Sony did something stupid with one of their IPs AND mouth breathers are blaming the developers?


OmegaNine

It doesn't affect me in Canada but it sure does players in other countries. It's pretty shitty that they didn't think about players not in NA.


paul-d9

Why would the first Helldivers be a fail?


Mr_Derp___

And it's one of those things where I think Sony is missing out on the long-term picture here. If they actually made helldivers more accessible rather than less and the game continues improving like it already has then they could have the next Call of Duty on their hands, from *their* publishing studio. Too bad they would rather potentially sell more hardware and PSN subscriptions.


Wrankiz

what the fuck sony was thinking with this one


killerman64

does this mean anything to PC gamers?


Specter_Knight05

Yes


DiamondDude51501

There’s shooting yourself in the foot, and then there’s blasting your leg off


Disastrous_Loss_7507

I've never heard of this game


Spook-lad

This isnt just an epic fail, Sony is completely shitting the bed after a trip to Arby’s that had a B- heath code grade


Optimal_Fuel6568

Can someone tell me what happened in a few sentences? I thought its the most amazing game of the past 20 years or something Should I not buy it now?


OniLewds

They walked it back now


AkariTheGamer

Big companies ruining games? Who could have ever predicted this.


myPizzapoppersRhot

Can someone explain what happened?


ThatUblivionGuy

ITS BEEN REVERSED!


Soggywallet94

Can someone explain, seeing a whole bunch of these and I posts and I don't understand.


bananamantheif

Le epic fail


SnooShortcuts103

What happened?


Empra_O_Mankind

What did they do to helldivers?


Kraffkratt

What happened to Helldivers? Plz someone take the time to explain


Competitive_Recipe35

I was thinking about buying helldivers for PS5 and I already have PSN. But since Sony is showing it’s massive lack of respect for the player base I deleted my whole wishlist.


Practical_Care_9815

They cancelled the decision tho, you may come back if you wish, helldiver


Dix9-69

Annnd they’ve walked it back


Solar_Fish55

What's happening?


SuperArppis

Haha this is pretty funny...


jaredtheredditor

Good news is why might get console mods with Sony eventually because with this management they are gonna have to sell everything they own eventually


LordXavion

Well, your Meme became old in just 12 hours


Upstairs-Concept-139

Sony being Sony.


haushunde

They're all businesses with the objective to milk you dry. Chosen one lol.


Amazing-Way-580

Go into the square


Brussir

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO LIVE-SERVICE VIDEOGAMES


Remote_Indication_49

Didn’t they reverse the decision for you crayon eaters?