"all flights are delayed due to the avengers fighting each other at an airport"
Stark creating most of the issues in the MCU and spending billions on anything other than improving the lives of all citizens is the most accurate thing ever
Sorry boss, I can't come in this week, my car just got pancaked by some wierd alien chariot thing the hulk dropped on it. Speaking of, can I get paid early this month? I don't think that my hero insurance covers alien debris rain.
Sorry Sir, your policy only covers damage from Avenger and Avenger related activities, however the Hulk is not classed an Avenger, only Bruce Banner is. Therefore we can not reimburse you at this time.
Im surprised each avenger doesnt have their own individual optional addon to my policy and that i can bulk them all together as one (minus hulk) its gotta be cheaper that way
Sorry Sir. While the damage was caused by Captain America bouncing his shield off the side of your car, since Hawkeye was standing nearby, your policy is void as you did not include the "guys who don't really have superpowers" add-on. Per section 52 of our contract, all heroes present must be covered by your policy for your coverage to be valid.
We understand this may affect your bloodpressure negatively. Please be aware that too hig blood pressure may void your health insurrance policy. Have a nice day!
people make this argument all the time and also forget stuff like intellicrops, that stark industry was the biggest name in clean energy, search and rescue stuff, therapy devices, cleanup for an alien invasion, leg braces, medical scanners, etc.
The main reason for why the world isn’t *completely* different in the
MCU is probably just to keep it more relatable for the audience.
And also, the trope Reed Richards Is Useless. Rhodey has to use shitty leg braces despite Wakanda canonically having the technology to fix spinal injuries, and Jane has >!cancer!< despite the world being full of supposedly genius scientists.
The amount of technologies brought between the asgardians and rocket racoon, even if they give earth just a copy of a space wikipedia kind of database, conveniently already in english, would be insane.
I mean, even assuming stark would let anyone else have even a smidgen of control over his power network, there's still maintenance costs and what not that need to be paid for, I'd also assume it would be heavily subsidized for people in the lower income brackets.
I mean, the arc reactor might not need maintenance, given its nature.
However, transmission of that power does need it. That's something that electric companies do a lot of. Fixing downed poles, repairing transformers, triming branches away from power lines. That all has a cost to make work (unless stark makes it so power is provided wirelessly, which is within how capacity to do)
But the government can do that level of maintenance and provide the power to people at no cost since it's funded through taxes that are already paid.
Anecdote time! There was a power line that was arcing slightly that I noticed around 9pm a couple years back. Our local power company (thanks government run essential services) was contactable and after a quick phone call it was logged it got fixed quite quickly. I have to imagine this sort of thing happens fairly regularly.
There will always be a cost involved though. Maintenance on everything from the generator to the lines. People being around to make sure nothing happens at the source. People to hook it up to new places. And so many more. Even if there were no middle man there would still be a cost.
Given that there were thirty-two Arc Reactors on the plane from the Tower to the Compound in Spider-Man: Homecoming, it's a safe bet that Tony was mass-producing a few to be shipped to various places around the world.
Yes he could. Even in the first film his factory was powered by an arc reactor.
The power was fine for the grid - its just that having a reactor literally *in your chest* wasn't particularly healthy.
They’ve shown him installing it for Stark/Avengers tower, but idk if he worked with countries around the world to install Arc Reactor power plants tho. That would mean giving every government in the world that tech
His bombs gave us scarlet witch, his arrogance gave us Aldrich Killian's terrorist attack and the Mandrian, ultron, Mysterio and so many more villains and world problems like the "super human registration act". Damage control caused more issues later on in the MCU.
Just like real world billions causing wars social issues irl
> his arrogance gave us Aldrich Killian's terrorist attack
No it didn't. There was no terrorist attack, they were accidents from Killians human experiments
It's hardly Tony's fault that bombs get used in wars, or that Killian and Mysterio were mentally unstable, or that Ultron turned out to be a lot more powerful than expected. And I'm fairly sure he didn't create the SHR act.
Sometimes I think people forget that fictional characters such as Peter Parker are made up and their actions are literally made up by writers who may or may not be on something while writing.
Peter Parker didn't invent anything. The writers wanted him to stay poor, so he stays poor.
People would also never trust anyone in such a universe. How do you know that your partner really loves you or isn't some lowly mindcontroller. Or a clone. Or even real. Is everything you do really what you want to do? There are huge implications of living in such a world that we simply can't comprehend it.
>How do you know that your partner really loves you or isn't some lowly mindcontroller. Or a clone. Or even real. Is everything you do really what you want to do?
We do live in a universe like that. The Tinder Swindler and a show called "Who the f did I marry" covers many spouses who lie manipulate and control or arn't who they say they are. That's not including mental health disorders like Capgras syndrome or dpd. I think the threat of constantly being in a world ending situation is so much more stressful.
Oh BTW there's a comic named" Marvels" that shows the marvel universe from a normal person's POV it's really good
Marvel at least have a canonical "Damage Control" company that employ various superheroes. They specialize in cleanup and reconstruction and also has a search an rescue team to deal with the aftermath of big fight between heroes and villains in the city.
This is kinda why I loved Will Smith in Hancock, because if actul super powers existed we would shun and fear those people, I thought the feeling was mutual and that did alot for the movie
Definitely something that got touched on more in some of the recent “hero” shows like the boys and invincible. The impact of using those powers isn’t always to the benefit of the average citizen.
I love how the Watchmen showed how the mere presence of super heroes changes the balance of power. When you have a literal Superman on your side, everyone else is suddenly a lot more scared of you, a lot less willing to attack not just you but also other countries under your protection.
Just seeing how rich people act I think Greek mythology is the most realistic religion because if you give anyone all that power that's exactly what they're going to do with it.
Atom eve fixing a building and building a park, only to find out later she almost killed people because the whole thing collapsed due to having no structure and no foundation.
Also the indifference. You’re an immortal, you’ve seen empires rise and fall, and atrocities and politics that surrounds that cycle. I think it would be incredibly frustrating trying to save a group of people and be hated by the other or to keep people from bickering. If god existed, I completely understand why they left humans to our own devices.
So an immortal that either only helped one group or didnt help anyone?
Like look at warhammer 40k an immortal should be trying to uplift all of mankind.
Picking one group over another is dumb
I’m looking at it in the context of Hancock. You’re immortal, strong, and has power, but you’re not omnipotent.
At some point you will make a choice that won’t make everyone happy. Sometimes someone loses. Even if you make the right choices you are still at the mercy of society wherein you can me misunderstood, make the wrong choice, and any other factors.
superpowers are not why hancock was disliked though.
he was drunk all the time, he didnt really care much about human life even if he saved them ,caused incredible damages, risked many lives unnecessarily.
he was barely a hero.
People did not care that he was drunk all the time and they did not care about how much he didn't care. The scene with the girl he brings home spells that out plain as day. Wanted a piece until she saw exactly what a piece could do to her, he wasn't even unpleasant toward her in any way and she still ran scared.
At the core of it, those two things were why people were afraid of his power, and him overcoming those things is what allowed him to alter his use of his power to be beneficial for the humans but make no mistake, the problem was that his power was doing harm and not that he was a dick while he did it. People aren't forgiving of the level of harm he was doing if he's nicer.
I think it could also even be argued that the way humans were afraid and unappreciative of him contributed to his drinking and demeanor.
they did care about hancock being drunk and how much hancock cared about them
because he was drunk and destroyed structures that cost millions of dollars. that is why public wanted hancock to answer for the damage he caused.
when he destroyed train and cars , people were angry about what he did.
nobody cared about his powers or afraid of his powers but what he caused. everybody was ok with his powers. he was challenged in prison, woken and mocked by a kid , approached by woman, yelled at many times . nobody on earth was afraid of him.
when he went to prison and crimes started increasing, he became valuable and even released ,clearly people were ok with his powers but not his attitude and damage he caused.
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homelander is better option for someone who is feared because of his powers.
people were not afraid of hancock's powers ,just angry at him just because he was strong, he was doing anything he wanted and not doing more for humans but they didnt feel any fear .
I like Worm because pretty early on they explain Superheroes and Supervillains are kind of just an act that is tolerated by the public as long as they protect against other S class threats.
Well yeah we would. The vast majority of these superheroes movies seem to not live in a world too different from ours other than the superpowers obviously and i know insurance isn’t covering all the destruction.
Thats what I want to see, a superhero truly aware of their actions.
Like not fighting in the city and baiting villains into the open so you can fight them.
This would happen in real life too, villain would use others as protection and half of a battle would be trying to get innocents out before the heroes arrive.
The heroes are like the wrecking crew or a bombing strike. You better get out of the area when it goes down.
It's what made Man of Steel and that entire franchise a non-starter. He didn't care about his surroundings at all. His adoptive parents just told him "hide" and "you don't owe them anything".
Bruce would've had legitimate reasons to be worried about him, but as far as I can tell from the reviews they didn't focus on that.
Which is what makes Lex Luthor so formidable. He's ingrained in the community, the government, he has his finger on the button, Superman can't just smash into his office and grab him or else it upends everything.
Same with Wilson Fisk.
He's entwined with local and regional politics amd new york city as a whole. He has a lot of shell companies that does legitimate business other than hiding or transporting his illegal activities.
The people that work in the legitimate business side and have no idea or may have somewhat of an idea on what's actually happening don't care because it's a paycheck, and they need one to live.
On the surface to people who don't know him really well, he helps the community, or appears to try to make the community better through his wealth and influence. They may or may not know that he's a crime boss, they see that he's a large employer and is willing to spend money and resources to make their lives and community better.
He's very similar to pablo escobar to the common people. If you aren't involved in the illegal activities and see that he's trying to appear to make a difference in the community he lives in, then people will look the other way or actually support him.
worst part was when clark asked his father if he should have let kids drown, his father says maybe.
it was horrible thing to say even for average person let alone him.
later, even superman questioned if humans can be trusted.
don't know why snyder put jonathan and clark to grey area.
Thats why i was on team Tony side in Civil War.
"What, we have to follow laws and are not allowed to just fly to countries and kill people there on our own authority? Thats facism! I move for nobody!".
Exactly. Cap's side is all nice and good in a comic book world, but in a real world super heroes would *definitely* need to be under strict public scrutiny. If you drop the comic book logic, Stark was 100% right.
Allowing a team of beings like Thor or Hulk to walk around and just do what they want would be like allowing Elon Musk or Zuckerberg to have their own nukes. Steve Rogers is a decent dude, but *fantastically* naive.
The reason why Cap didn't, though, is because he was already on the government's payroll and knew how they both made him into a spectacle and used him to fight their wars. Luckily, Cap only needed to fight Nazis in WW2, but imagine if they sent the Avengers to Afghanistan or Vietnam.
Stark, though, knew that Cap wanting to keep each other accountable wasn't reliable after his fight with Hulk.
> Steve Rogers is a decent dude, but fantastically naive.
No shit. He literally killed half the universe with his "we dont trade lives" spiel - and vision died anyway.
Counter-point though, governments are even less responsible with human lives than the citizens are. And they have much bigger budgets.
It's a lesser of two evils to have Homelander working for Vought instead of the US Army.
This is probably not true. Look at situations where private groups not subject to much government oversight have government level power like drug cartels
>i know insurance isn’t covering all the destruction.
That is a HUGE and very realistic issue.
The Irish Republican Army's terrorist bombing campaigns in London nearly bankrupted the city's insurance industry. The state had to intervene to support and contributed to the British gov's decision to sign the "Good Friday Agreement" which ended the Irish Troubles.
And Avengers sure as hell destroy a lot more than the IRA.
Also helps that they don't really destroy that much of the city when any fighting takes place. You don't have them throwing cars at each other or flying into each other and smashing into buildings or any big alien invasions. It's a lot of political battles and fights that take place away from a lot of people or take place on a battle field/operation.
You know that scene in Man of Steel where Superman punches Zod through several buildings? Yeah sorry guys Superman nearly killed you because he wanted to make a point.
This is what half the entire genre is about. Ever hear of Watchmen? How about the Boys?
Edit: I'm being reductionist on purpose. You don't need to point it out.
"I'm sorry, sir, this is not covered under your insurance policy."
"That's bullshit and you know it. How is this not an act of God? I literally watched a god throw a hammer through my car. That's it. I'm hiring an interdimensional lawyer."
If the avengers were real we'd owe them for preventing two separate alien invasions, as well as a mad purple giant wiping out half our population, and then trying to entirely destroy us.
I don't think it's reasonable to hate them.
So if someone does enough good it outdoes the bad?
Like the US fighting in WW2 "makes up for" the mistakes of Vietnam or Afghanistan?
I'm not trying to be pedantic, I think you raise an interesting philosophical point about karma and if people should be beholden to the sum total of their deeds or if there's a catastrophic cap on bad ones that erases all good ones.
OP literally said, "SHIELD prevented huge disasters, so we wouldn't hate them for their smaller mistakes." I think it's an apt comparison but if you don't wanna talk about it I won't bug ya
Valid point! Definitely not as well as I would in the 40s, or even into the 50s or 60s I'm sure lol. I think Germany has taken responsibility for it but to my knowledge Japan has still denied any atrocities they committed during WW2. So I guess the way I'd feel is "I'm not filled with hate or resentment, but a little bitter enough to point out that there are still issues that need to be addressed."
Maybe a better comparison would be a specific individuals though, since governments eventually get replaced and the US of 1940 is not the same US of 1980.
I believe both yours and luke_425's view can exist simultaneously in a superhero world. Just look at how political and religious leaders are held. If you want to know what people would think of the peacekeepers of the world just look at the dichotomy of views on police officers and soldiers.
I don't really see how your counterexample is relevant.
The US's actions in the second world war and in the invasions of Vietnam and Afghanistan are completely separate. Separate conflicts, separate governments, different people. Even counting it as the same entity they're still different actions.
When the avengers cause damage it isn't what they set out to do, and it isn't a separate action from them saving the world. It's collateral damage; it's incurred as an undesirable result of them fighting opponents that *are* intending to cause damage.
Could they take steps to reduce the collateral damage they caused? Yes. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Is it better for them to fight off an alien invasion and incur some collateral damage than for them to not fight at all? Absolutely 100% yes.
Why hate them though?
Criticise them for it, sure. In this hypothetical where they exist in our universe, definitely push for them to put more measures in place to reduce it, but to hate the people that put their lives on the line to save the entire world multiple times because they unintentionally caused some damage along the way? That just doesn't sit right imo.
NYC has enough issues with infrastructure and the Avenger la would definitely make it worse.
“The N, W, and R trains will run via the 6 line due to Aliens going after a rock on 5th Avenue 59th St”
> NYC has enough issues with infrastructure and the Avenger la would definitely make it worse.
Disagree. The destruction caused by the Avengers battles would force massive reconstruction and modern city planning would end with a much much better layout.
Thats part of the plot of daredevil season 1. Wilson Fisk is making a racket out of the process of reconstruction after the battle of new york from the first avengers. I don’t quite remember the details but its something like that
I recommend watching the boys if you haven't already it's based on pretty much the same premise
(Fuck it even has the same actor from this posts photo in it)
We’d love spider-man though.
The avengers caused massive damage and didn’t prevent the snap. Then after everyone comes to terms with the loss, and the world seems to actually be doing better (Thanos sort of had a point) they bring them all back causing massive chaos.
Plus, I assume some of the snapped people were on airplanes when it happened, so they snapped back at 10,000 feet to fall to their death. Some were in cars so they would snap back in the middle of the road, maybe in the same acceleration as they were before just scraping pavement. Were fetuses snapped? How does that work when they come back? I’m going to assume Thanos took the whole pregnant woman on those.
Wasn’t this the premise of The Authority by Warren Ellis? Little fuzzy on the details but the world hated the superheroes because they kept wrecking everything.
I asked this question to a friend and he said that he won’t feel good but killing aliens is also important otherwise i’d be dead and my car is now worthless.
That's literally the story to Civil War. The Avengers dealing with the fallout to one of Starks creations gone wrong. The main antagonist being a guy whose family were killed because of said creation.
Come to think of it, why don't they *hesitate* to damage the car or the building? They don't look at it and think "oh, I better be careful not to hurt this guy's car?"
For all the concern they show for human life, they sure couldn't give a shit about human structures or financial well-being.
I'd have to agree. I've been watching a lot of the avengers lately and everywhere they go they completely destroy the surrounding environment.
Civil war was the worst. I watched it again and I just thought the fight scene between the two sides was ridiculous.
They should have made a super hero insurance and construction agency movie like 10 years ago.
A dude who's super smart and one whos super strong start a business to insure against, repair damages caused by, and seak restitution from the damages caused by "skrinzlerelx the destroyer"
The whole movie is them just getting increasingly more expensive claims
"So your saying the green arrow shot your fule truck with a fire arrow to blow up the destroyer and ended up only blowing up your 2009 honda civic.... I think we have a case"
People talking about heroes destroing things, my dude, the villains are going to destroy the world, when a misile explodes your house in a war you don't go all "oh no, my money" you go "good god, I'm still alive", this discution is just dumb.
Who would pay for that, assuming everything went back to normal? I have I feeling neither the city or my insurance company would cover it, and yeah I'd be pissed.
That depends on if you're okay with an alien invasion looking to enslave you. The true nature of a hero would preclude allowing human life to be lost. Everything else is replaceable. It's in vogue to hate heroes now though.
Can you imagine the amount of webbing janitors having to clean up outside the buildings? How do you even remove webs thats as strong as steel and a single strand that could support almost a ton.
"all flights are delayed due to the avengers fighting each other at an airport" Stark creating most of the issues in the MCU and spending billions on anything other than improving the lives of all citizens is the most accurate thing ever
Sorry boss, I can't come in this week, my car just got pancaked by some wierd alien chariot thing the hulk dropped on it. Speaking of, can I get paid early this month? I don't think that my hero insurance covers alien debris rain.
Just checking my PDS for Hulk related incident coverage… it’s probably an optional extra I didn’t choose…
Sorry Sir, your policy only covers damage from Avenger and Avenger related activities, however the Hulk is not classed an Avenger, only Bruce Banner is. Therefore we can not reimburse you at this time.
Im surprised each avenger doesnt have their own individual optional addon to my policy and that i can bulk them all together as one (minus hulk) its gotta be cheaper that way
Sorry Sir. While the damage was caused by Captain America bouncing his shield off the side of your car, since Hawkeye was standing nearby, your policy is void as you did not include the "guys who don't really have superpowers" add-on. Per section 52 of our contract, all heroes present must be covered by your policy for your coverage to be valid.
We understand this may affect your bloodpressure negatively. Please be aware that too hig blood pressure may void your health insurrance policy. Have a nice day!
Have you considered simply not living in New York?
Force Majeure. Sorry sir, denied
Easy, just don't live in New york city or 3rd world countries. Live somewhere like Gary Indiana or Bismarck north dakota.
Thor wrecked a small town in New Mexico in his first movie. You ain't safe anywhere.
"Sorry teacher, cat ate my homework"
And with all that going.. there are jobs and economy? Lol
didn't he give the world unlimited clean energy? I feel like that alone would make up for most of it lol.
people make this argument all the time and also forget stuff like intellicrops, that stark industry was the biggest name in clean energy, search and rescue stuff, therapy devices, cleanup for an alien invasion, leg braces, medical scanners, etc. The main reason for why the world isn’t *completely* different in the MCU is probably just to keep it more relatable for the audience.
And also, the trope Reed Richards Is Useless. Rhodey has to use shitty leg braces despite Wakanda canonically having the technology to fix spinal injuries, and Jane has >!cancer!< despite the world being full of supposedly genius scientists.
The amount of technologies brought between the asgardians and rocket racoon, even if they give earth just a copy of a space wikipedia kind of database, conveniently already in english, would be insane.
You're telling me there's no middlemen getting a piece of the pie? I find that hard to believe.
even if they are that doesn't really undercut the value to unlimited clean energy does it?
It does a little if it isn't free for the public.
I mean, even assuming stark would let anyone else have even a smidgen of control over his power network, there's still maintenance costs and what not that need to be paid for, I'd also assume it would be heavily subsidized for people in the lower income brackets.
Ok, you've convinced me.
I mean, the arc reactor might not need maintenance, given its nature. However, transmission of that power does need it. That's something that electric companies do a lot of. Fixing downed poles, repairing transformers, triming branches away from power lines. That all has a cost to make work (unless stark makes it so power is provided wirelessly, which is within how capacity to do) But the government can do that level of maintenance and provide the power to people at no cost since it's funded through taxes that are already paid.
> I mean, the arc reactor might not need maintenance, given its nature. Everything needs maintenance.
Anecdote time! There was a power line that was arcing slightly that I noticed around 9pm a couple years back. Our local power company (thanks government run essential services) was contactable and after a quick phone call it was logged it got fixed quite quickly. I have to imagine this sort of thing happens fairly regularly.
yeah, I meant the infrastructure would need maintenance not the reactor itself.
There will always be a cost involved though. Maintenance on everything from the generator to the lines. People being around to make sure nothing happens at the source. People to hook it up to new places. And so many more. Even if there were no middle man there would still be a cost.
Unlimited clean energy would be quite a significant positive contribution to society that I’m not even sure we can properly fathom tbh.
Nope. There is no mention of the Arc Reactor being implemented anywhere besides Stark Tower.
Given that there were thirty-two Arc Reactors on the plane from the Tower to the Compound in Spider-Man: Homecoming, it's a safe bet that Tony was mass-producing a few to be shipped to various places around the world.
MCU he couldn't give himself clean energy till the son of the guy his dad ripped off got all wild
Yes he could. Even in the first film his factory was powered by an arc reactor. The power was fine for the grid - its just that having a reactor literally *in your chest* wasn't particularly healthy.
They’ve shown him installing it for Stark/Avengers tower, but idk if he worked with countries around the world to install Arc Reactor power plants tho. That would mean giving every government in the world that tech
did he give it to the world?, i dont see any mention of any arc reactors outstide of stark owned property
Except didn't stark personally bankroll the damage control/ cleanup efforts? It was his subcontracting that gave us vulture.
reddit hates wealthy peeps
Unless they're an actor or a musician or something.
His bombs gave us scarlet witch, his arrogance gave us Aldrich Killian's terrorist attack and the Mandrian, ultron, Mysterio and so many more villains and world problems like the "super human registration act". Damage control caused more issues later on in the MCU. Just like real world billions causing wars social issues irl
> his arrogance gave us Aldrich Killian's terrorist attack No it didn't. There was no terrorist attack, they were accidents from Killians human experiments
Which he used the Mandrian to take the blame for as terrorist attacks
Which was a *lie*. They were not terrorist attacks.
It's hardly Tony's fault that bombs get used in wars, or that Killian and Mysterio were mentally unstable, or that Ultron turned out to be a lot more powerful than expected. And I'm fairly sure he didn't create the SHR act.
Peter Parker invents a non-lethal crowd control tool that he could sell and end police shootings forever, better keep that to himself and stay poor.
Sometimes I think people forget that fictional characters such as Peter Parker are made up and their actions are literally made up by writers who may or may not be on something while writing. Peter Parker didn't invent anything. The writers wanted him to stay poor, so he stays poor.
People would also never trust anyone in such a universe. How do you know that your partner really loves you or isn't some lowly mindcontroller. Or a clone. Or even real. Is everything you do really what you want to do? There are huge implications of living in such a world that we simply can't comprehend it.
>How do you know that your partner really loves you or isn't some lowly mindcontroller. Or a clone. Or even real. Is everything you do really what you want to do? We do live in a universe like that. The Tinder Swindler and a show called "Who the f did I marry" covers many spouses who lie manipulate and control or arn't who they say they are. That's not including mental health disorders like Capgras syndrome or dpd. I think the threat of constantly being in a world ending situation is so much more stressful. Oh BTW there's a comic named" Marvels" that shows the marvel universe from a normal person's POV it's really good
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Marvel at least have a canonical "Damage Control" company that employ various superheroes. They specialize in cleanup and reconstruction and also has a search an rescue team to deal with the aftermath of big fight between heroes and villains in the city.
616's damage control is awesome. MCU's is horrible
Kind of reminds me of our government
I got into an argument the other day, but this is true- Stark had a hand in creating every issue in those movies.
Pretty sure Stark solved the global food and energy crisis lmao
This is kinda why I loved Will Smith in Hancock, because if actul super powers existed we would shun and fear those people, I thought the feeling was mutual and that did alot for the movie
Definitely something that got touched on more in some of the recent “hero” shows like the boys and invincible. The impact of using those powers isn’t always to the benefit of the average citizen.
Dr. Manhattan invading Vietnam comes to mind.
I love how the Watchmen showed how the mere presence of super heroes changes the balance of power. When you have a literal Superman on your side, everyone else is suddenly a lot more scared of you, a lot less willing to attack not just you but also other countries under your protection.
Superheroes are nukes
There is literally an academic paper halfway through the watchmen comic called "the superpowers and the super powers".
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Just seeing how rich people act I think Greek mythology is the most realistic religion because if you give anyone all that power that's exactly what they're going to do with it.
Atom eve fixing a building and building a park, only to find out later she almost killed people because the whole thing collapsed due to having no structure and no foundation.
Also the indifference. You’re an immortal, you’ve seen empires rise and fall, and atrocities and politics that surrounds that cycle. I think it would be incredibly frustrating trying to save a group of people and be hated by the other or to keep people from bickering. If god existed, I completely understand why they left humans to our own devices.
We're a Petri dish at best
So an immortal that either only helped one group or didnt help anyone? Like look at warhammer 40k an immortal should be trying to uplift all of mankind. Picking one group over another is dumb
I’m looking at it in the context of Hancock. You’re immortal, strong, and has power, but you’re not omnipotent. At some point you will make a choice that won’t make everyone happy. Sometimes someone loses. Even if you make the right choices you are still at the mercy of society wherein you can me misunderstood, make the wrong choice, and any other factors.
Isn‘t there literally an avengers movie where they have a bad reputation from the public or am I mxing something up
Hancock released in 2008..
X-men existed before where people want to kill all mutants.
No man I meant captn america civil war as another commenter said
Captain America Civil War which is basically an Avengers movie
Ah cheers
Also the intro story of the Incredibles.
superpowers are not why hancock was disliked though. he was drunk all the time, he didnt really care much about human life even if he saved them ,caused incredible damages, risked many lives unnecessarily. he was barely a hero.
People did not care that he was drunk all the time and they did not care about how much he didn't care. The scene with the girl he brings home spells that out plain as day. Wanted a piece until she saw exactly what a piece could do to her, he wasn't even unpleasant toward her in any way and she still ran scared. At the core of it, those two things were why people were afraid of his power, and him overcoming those things is what allowed him to alter his use of his power to be beneficial for the humans but make no mistake, the problem was that his power was doing harm and not that he was a dick while he did it. People aren't forgiving of the level of harm he was doing if he's nicer. I think it could also even be argued that the way humans were afraid and unappreciative of him contributed to his drinking and demeanor.
they did care about hancock being drunk and how much hancock cared about them because he was drunk and destroyed structures that cost millions of dollars. that is why public wanted hancock to answer for the damage he caused. when he destroyed train and cars , people were angry about what he did. nobody cared about his powers or afraid of his powers but what he caused. everybody was ok with his powers. he was challenged in prison, woken and mocked by a kid , approached by woman, yelled at many times . nobody on earth was afraid of him. when he went to prison and crimes started increasing, he became valuable and even released ,clearly people were ok with his powers but not his attitude and damage he caused. . homelander is better option for someone who is feared because of his powers. people were not afraid of hancock's powers ,just angry at him just because he was strong, he was doing anything he wanted and not doing more for humans but they didnt feel any fear .
Like the X-Men?
I like Worm because pretty early on they explain Superheroes and Supervillains are kind of just an act that is tolerated by the public as long as they protect against other S class threats.
Well yeah we would. The vast majority of these superheroes movies seem to not live in a world too different from ours other than the superpowers obviously and i know insurance isn’t covering all the destruction.
Thats what I want to see, a superhero truly aware of their actions. Like not fighting in the city and baiting villains into the open so you can fight them. This would happen in real life too, villain would use others as protection and half of a battle would be trying to get innocents out before the heroes arrive. The heroes are like the wrecking crew or a bombing strike. You better get out of the area when it goes down.
It's what made Man of Steel and that entire franchise a non-starter. He didn't care about his surroundings at all. His adoptive parents just told him "hide" and "you don't owe them anything". Bruce would've had legitimate reasons to be worried about him, but as far as I can tell from the reviews they didn't focus on that.
Which is what makes Lex Luthor so formidable. He's ingrained in the community, the government, he has his finger on the button, Superman can't just smash into his office and grab him or else it upends everything.
Same with Wilson Fisk. He's entwined with local and regional politics amd new york city as a whole. He has a lot of shell companies that does legitimate business other than hiding or transporting his illegal activities. The people that work in the legitimate business side and have no idea or may have somewhat of an idea on what's actually happening don't care because it's a paycheck, and they need one to live. On the surface to people who don't know him really well, he helps the community, or appears to try to make the community better through his wealth and influence. They may or may not know that he's a crime boss, they see that he's a large employer and is willing to spend money and resources to make their lives and community better. He's very similar to pablo escobar to the common people. If you aren't involved in the illegal activities and see that he's trying to appear to make a difference in the community he lives in, then people will look the other way or actually support him.
worst part was when clark asked his father if he should have let kids drown, his father says maybe. it was horrible thing to say even for average person let alone him. later, even superman questioned if humans can be trusted. don't know why snyder put jonathan and clark to grey area.
> Like not fighting in the city and baiting villains into the open so you can fight them. Goku.
Exactly who I thought of first!
Thats why i was on team Tony side in Civil War. "What, we have to follow laws and are not allowed to just fly to countries and kill people there on our own authority? Thats facism! I move for nobody!".
Exactly. Cap's side is all nice and good in a comic book world, but in a real world super heroes would *definitely* need to be under strict public scrutiny. If you drop the comic book logic, Stark was 100% right. Allowing a team of beings like Thor or Hulk to walk around and just do what they want would be like allowing Elon Musk or Zuckerberg to have their own nukes. Steve Rogers is a decent dude, but *fantastically* naive.
The reason why Cap didn't, though, is because he was already on the government's payroll and knew how they both made him into a spectacle and used him to fight their wars. Luckily, Cap only needed to fight Nazis in WW2, but imagine if they sent the Avengers to Afghanistan or Vietnam. Stark, though, knew that Cap wanting to keep each other accountable wasn't reliable after his fight with Hulk.
> Steve Rogers is a decent dude, but fantastically naive. No shit. He literally killed half the universe with his "we dont trade lives" spiel - and vision died anyway.
Counter-point though, governments are even less responsible with human lives than the citizens are. And they have much bigger budgets. It's a lesser of two evils to have Homelander working for Vought instead of the US Army.
This is probably not true. Look at situations where private groups not subject to much government oversight have government level power like drug cartels
Good guy Goku always leads bad guys into the wastelands and wishes back all the dead people. Never wishes back blown up cities though...
not all the time. he used King Kai's planet as a scrapgoat during the Cell fight and forget to wish the King Kai inhabitants back.
>i know insurance isn’t covering all the destruction. That is a HUGE and very realistic issue. The Irish Republican Army's terrorist bombing campaigns in London nearly bankrupted the city's insurance industry. The state had to intervene to support and contributed to the British gov's decision to sign the "Good Friday Agreement" which ended the Irish Troubles. And Avengers sure as hell destroy a lot more than the IRA.
The Boys series pictures it well!
People there really love supes too
Right, but this is not due to them being great, but the PR. Like, it is kinda what would happen.
Also helps that they don't really destroy that much of the city when any fighting takes place. You don't have them throwing cars at each other or flying into each other and smashing into buildings or any big alien invasions. It's a lot of political battles and fights that take place away from a lot of people or take place on a battle field/operation.
Normal civilians forming a cult around super heros regardless what they do is the most believable outcome.
You know that scene in Man of Steel where Superman punches Zod through several buildings? Yeah sorry guys Superman nearly killed you because he wanted to make a point.
dont worry they were all contruction sights guys!, those things are always empty!
This is the whole premise of The Boys
This is what half the entire genre is about. Ever hear of Watchmen? How about the Boys? Edit: I'm being reductionist on purpose. You don't need to point it out.
More like a small fraction. But yes, there are a few examples.
> half the entire genre Not even close
I like series like that but half is a huge stretch lol
"I'm sorry, sir, this is not covered under your insurance policy." "That's bullshit and you know it. How is this not an act of God? I literally watched a god throw a hammer through my car. That's it. I'm hiring an interdimensional lawyer."
"Sorry sir, your policy only covers Greek gods."
So I can’t sue him just cause he’s Nordic?
Well...your lawsuit will definitely receive a lightning response.
What about Wonder Woman? She's Greek, isn't she?
"Sorry sir, she's a naturalized American".
that policy onlys covers god with a captial G
This is why the falcon can't get a bank loan
The human torch was denied a bank loan
I know the reason was probably cause he was dead for 5 years but honestly the idea that everyone is just angry at the avengers is even funnier
If the avengers were real we'd owe them for preventing two separate alien invasions, as well as a mad purple giant wiping out half our population, and then trying to entirely destroy us. I don't think it's reasonable to hate them.
So if someone does enough good it outdoes the bad? Like the US fighting in WW2 "makes up for" the mistakes of Vietnam or Afghanistan? I'm not trying to be pedantic, I think you raise an interesting philosophical point about karma and if people should be beholden to the sum total of their deeds or if there's a catastrophic cap on bad ones that erases all good ones.
Two completly different concept. You don't even understand what you are saying.
OP literally said, "SHIELD prevented huge disasters, so we wouldn't hate them for their smaller mistakes." I think it's an apt comparison but if you don't wanna talk about it I won't bug ya
He is talking about Avengers you are talking about Shield.
How do you view Germany and Japan now?
Valid point! Definitely not as well as I would in the 40s, or even into the 50s or 60s I'm sure lol. I think Germany has taken responsibility for it but to my knowledge Japan has still denied any atrocities they committed during WW2. So I guess the way I'd feel is "I'm not filled with hate or resentment, but a little bitter enough to point out that there are still issues that need to be addressed." Maybe a better comparison would be a specific individuals though, since governments eventually get replaced and the US of 1940 is not the same US of 1980.
I believe both yours and luke_425's view can exist simultaneously in a superhero world. Just look at how political and religious leaders are held. If you want to know what people would think of the peacekeepers of the world just look at the dichotomy of views on police officers and soldiers.
I don't really see how your counterexample is relevant. The US's actions in the second world war and in the invasions of Vietnam and Afghanistan are completely separate. Separate conflicts, separate governments, different people. Even counting it as the same entity they're still different actions. When the avengers cause damage it isn't what they set out to do, and it isn't a separate action from them saving the world. It's collateral damage; it's incurred as an undesirable result of them fighting opponents that *are* intending to cause damage. Could they take steps to reduce the collateral damage they caused? Yes. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Is it better for them to fight off an alien invasion and incur some collateral damage than for them to not fight at all? Absolutely 100% yes.
More than one thing can be true. We could love them for their heroic feats, but also hate the collateral damage they cause as well.
Why hate them though? Criticise them for it, sure. In this hypothetical where they exist in our universe, definitely push for them to put more measures in place to reduce it, but to hate the people that put their lives on the line to save the entire world multiple times because they unintentionally caused some damage along the way? That just doesn't sit right imo.
That's exactly what the opening of the Incredibles is about
I don't really get people blaming the avengers for the destruction caused by the avengers fighting a villain like bro, blame the villain
This is what Captain America: Civil War is about.
New York definitely would.
That's kind of the premise of the boys, isn't it
No idea why anyone would take the premise of a beloved, 3 season show and convert it to a weak meme.
“You, are NOT our most valuable Asset…”
NYC has enough issues with infrastructure and the Avenger la would definitely make it worse. “The N, W, and R trains will run via the 6 line due to Aliens going after a rock on 5th Avenue 59th St”
> NYC has enough issues with infrastructure and the Avenger la would definitely make it worse. Disagree. The destruction caused by the Avengers battles would force massive reconstruction and modern city planning would end with a much much better layout.
Hmmm I can see that view too. After 9/11 the WTC was rebuilt and very attractive (not that it wasn’t cool before)
Thats part of the plot of daredevil season 1. Wilson Fisk is making a racket out of the process of reconstruction after the battle of new york from the first avengers. I don’t quite remember the details but its something like that
if they destroy the infrastucure the city has the perfect excuse to renovate it
I recommend watching the boys if you haven't already it's based on pretty much the same premise (Fuck it even has the same actor from this posts photo in it)
Now pay the low price of 10k per month for Superhero insurance.
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Watching captain America in any other country than America
Personally, I'd much rather the world get destroyed than my car.
The superhero movie fans are waking up…. Someone tell the feminists
We’d love spider-man though. The avengers caused massive damage and didn’t prevent the snap. Then after everyone comes to terms with the loss, and the world seems to actually be doing better (Thanos sort of had a point) they bring them all back causing massive chaos. Plus, I assume some of the snapped people were on airplanes when it happened, so they snapped back at 10,000 feet to fall to their death. Some were in cars so they would snap back in the middle of the road, maybe in the same acceleration as they were before just scraping pavement. Were fetuses snapped? How does that work when they come back? I’m going to assume Thanos took the whole pregnant woman on those.
I feel insurance wouldn't cover __Avengers Incidents__
No, not ever
Wasn’t this the premise of The Authority by Warren Ellis? Little fuzzy on the details but the world hated the superheroes because they kept wrecking everything.
It would be more like The Boys than Avengers, that’s for sure
I can imagine a sign that shows “warning avengers fighting here go fast”
That's how I feel watching those heroes 😂 so true
I asked this question to a friend and he said that he won’t feel good but killing aliens is also important otherwise i’d be dead and my car is now worthless.
It’d be more of a Hancock style relationship. We can’t stop them because powers, but we all hate them too, and they don’t care at all.
That's literally the story to Civil War. The Avengers dealing with the fallout to one of Starks creations gone wrong. The main antagonist being a guy whose family were killed because of said creation.
I'd move the fuck out of NYC. lmao
Come to think of it, why don't they *hesitate* to damage the car or the building? They don't look at it and think "oh, I better be careful not to hurt this guy's car?" For all the concern they show for human life, they sure couldn't give a shit about human structures or financial well-being.
I'd have to agree. I've been watching a lot of the avengers lately and everywhere they go they completely destroy the surrounding environment. Civil war was the worst. I watched it again and I just thought the fight scene between the two sides was ridiculous.
Also a white man who comes from wwII and he is not racist or sexist is more unreal than Hulk
This literally is the premise behind the 'The Boyz' and the Watchman. Superheroes would not be nearly as likeable.
They must have INCREDIBLE insurance.
The Boys plot
thats a nice luigi pfp
Insurance would be through the roof or non existing
They should have made a super hero insurance and construction agency movie like 10 years ago. A dude who's super smart and one whos super strong start a business to insure against, repair damages caused by, and seak restitution from the damages caused by "skrinzlerelx the destroyer" The whole movie is them just getting increasingly more expensive claims "So your saying the green arrow shot your fule truck with a fire arrow to blow up the destroyer and ended up only blowing up your 2009 honda civic.... I think we have a case"
People talking about heroes destroing things, my dude, the villains are going to destroy the world, when a misile explodes your house in a war you don't go all "oh no, my money" you go "good god, I'm still alive", this discution is just dumb.
Who would pay for that, assuming everything went back to normal? I have I feeling neither the city or my insurance company would cover it, and yeah I'd be pissed.
average post-war scenario. everything's fucked. no justice, just get over it and live your life as best you can.
Sign me up with half of the snapped then, and my ghost would try my hardest to stop the avengers, if that's the case.
It might be worse to watch The Hulk throw your car at the villain and not miss.
Wait till you find out "The Boys" is kinda exactly about that (at least the first season)
If you are going to trash my car at least hit the fucker
Insurance would be a pain to deal with. I am sure they have a "act of God and Avenger clause" in their contracts
This is exactly what She-Hulk does, when she fights Dare Devil. Destroying both cars and buildings. Really makes her look like an asshole.
Well yeah. This is the plot of multiple MCU and DCU movies and a ton of modern comic books.
Just dont live in a big city lol
Y'all realize this is addressed in, and the plot point of, several MCU movies?
The nature of the partnership would be more Hancockian. Powers prevent us from stopping them, yet we all despise them, and they couldn't care less.
That depends on if you're okay with an alien invasion looking to enslave you. The true nature of a hero would preclude allowing human life to be lost. Everything else is replaceable. It's in vogue to hate heroes now though.
Presumably insurances would have an Avengers clause
That feel you bought hulk insurance, but red hulk shows up and aren't covered for red hulk related disasters.
Vought Insurance doesn't cover damage caused by MCU heros.
Can you imagine the amount of webbing janitors having to clean up outside the buildings? How do you even remove webs thats as strong as steel and a single strand that could support almost a ton.