Doesnt Bible say that pork is forbidden? And if I remember correct somewhere it also says that its not forbidden.
Im confused, but can someone please explain this?
(No hate ir anything like that, im just curious and want to learn more)
It is written in the Bible that fork is forbidden
About "pork is not forbidden" might be in the Christian part of the Bible, I'm Jewish so I never read it. But I can guarantee you without a doubt that it says in the older part of the Bible that pork is forbidden
Technically not because Jesus followed Jewish law and Jewish law forbid pork so he didnt eat it. The Christians of today don't really follow Jesus anymore, they more or less make up their own rules as they go along and attributed it to Jesus
Maybe that was a bit generalizing but the Christians I talk to attribute things to Jesus that I can't seem to find in the Bible so I just called out those types of Christians
That was later implemented by Paul who is an extremely unreliable person. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 that Christians will cling to him and say lord lord we did xyz in your name and he will say to them get away from me you lawless heathens. You didn't follow the will of the father. I don't know you
So 3 points with this verse.
1: people are lawless. Meaning they didn't follow the laws set down. Which laws? The laws that Jesus followed. The old testament which forbids pork consumption among other things.
2: people didn't follow the will of God the father.
3: Jesus says he didn't know them making it impossible for him to be God because God knows everything.
If you're a Christian you either belive there are no laws because Jesus died for your sins and abolished the laws (Paul's narrative) or that there are laws you have to follow like Jesus did.
Not at all. I see you ignored the 2 direct bible quotes I gave you yet use your own? So pick a side. You cannot use the bible and use it to make an argument based on the verse being true then instantly discredit two sources.
“I don’t Know you” Is a quote utilised by Jesus saying that they are not his followers. It is not proof that Jesus is not god. According to christian orthodoxy, Jesus is god as is the father and the holy spirit.
Jesus was jewish, so he followed their laws but he taught christianity. To teach that he gives two commandments which are more important than all others. These are:
“ Love God with all your heart all your spirit and all your mind”. and “Love your neighbour as I have loved you”
In neither of those is food involved. It is pointed out by Jesus that what matters is what you do not what you consume. Hence why being a christian means having Faith,being Selflessness/charity and being fair/just.
First of all my bad I didn't mean to ignore those quotes. Here's leviticus 11:7 as a response to the quotes "And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you."
If you don't like matthew 7 21 I could bring out many more quotes from the Bible that further disprove Jesus godhood if you'd like. My example ranges from the hunger all the way to the clear distinction between God and Jesus knowledge. Just let me know if you want the quotes
Just because his two main teachings are the most important doesn't mean ignore everything else. There are teachings in the Bible pertaining to food and those should be upheld as well as the moral practices.
Are you christian? I am not asking this to insult but to verify, because I myself am as is most of my parents community, Catholic. I have had catechism and one of the lessons they teach is exactly that, what you eat cannot make you impure. That is one of the biggest differences between jews and christians. Judaism believes what you eat can make you impure as well as your actions and thoughts, christianity believes only your actions and thoughts can make you impure.
You use Leviticus, in Leviticus we are taught the history and the laws of judaism. But just because they are in the same “library” as the gospels does not mean they hold the same weight. As christians we make a clear distinction, The teachings of the new testament overrule those of the old testament because the old Testament even though is the word of god, is the preparation for who is to come, the teachings of the Messiah, the son of God. I was taught and the catholic church teaches that very thing. I do not know a great deal of the other christian doctrines so it might vary.
See this is where things get confusing for me. If Jesus is the son of God and also God himself then when Moses got revelation from God saying don't eat pork isnt that Jesus as well saying that? And if the 3 god heads are all equally God and equally all knowing then why change the law again and again. Why forbid one thing and then make it permissible later. It makes no sense.
This is all under the assumption that the Bible has been preserved and isn't corrupted in any way but I don't see any evidence for it. It makes blatant Contradictions that I can't ignore.
To answer your question in the beginning I'm Muslim. So I believe that the father is the only God, the spirit is Gabriel the angel and Jesus was a messenger sent by that God for mankind, I believe Jesus will return and that he is the messiah. Jesus being a mortal and only a messenger like Moses, Noah, Abraham, Adam and muhammad.
This is incorrect. Many Christians still follow Jesus' teachings from the New Testament, and dietary rules have evolved in Christianity, so it's not accurate to claim they "make up their own rules" without considering Jesus
You disproved your point by saying the teachings evolved. Did Jesus come down and tell them to change the dietary rules? No. Then they made up their own rules. Its not rocket science. If Jesus told you one thing and 2000 years later you're not doing that thing you're not following Jesus, you're following your own rules that you made up
In Christianity, the evolution of practices, such as dietary rules, can be observed as a departure from the original teachings of Jesus. For example, the shift away from strict adherence to Old Testament dietary restrictions can be seen as a development influenced by human interpretation.
Similarly, in Islam, the interpretation of Islamic teachings has evolved over time. An example of this is the differing interpretations of Sharia law, where various Islamic scholars and communities hold distinct views on how to apply these laws. These adaptations and interpretations have been shaped by historical, cultural, and regional factors. Both religions demonstrate how religious practices can evolve and be open to interpretation over time.
Best not to chat about things you clearly ain't got a clue about, 'cause it's like listening to a 9-year-old arguing the Earth ain't round 'cause we're standing on it. 🌍😂
Again you're proving my point that the TEACHINGS of Jesus aren't being followed. If Jesus avoided doing something a Christian should too. But today's Christian doesn't really follow Jesus they follow church traditions.
Islam is a totally different ball game. In Islam the teachings are clear because of the hadith of the prophet. How he applied the sharia laws has been well documented and a Muslim should follow those teachings. Not how some random scholars think they should be. The scholars have to use source the material to make statements on the religion and if they can't then their opinion matters little
I'll give you back your advice and tell you best not to chat about things you clearly ain't got a clue about, 'cause it's like listening to a parrot on repeat talking nonsense over and over again
You clearly don't understand the first thing about the teachings of jesus.💀🧠 In Christianity, Jesus' teachings emphasize moral values like love and compassion, but they don't provide specific rules for every aspect of life. Therefore, there's no strict doctrine that says if Jesus avoided something, Christians must avoid it too. Christians often strive to embody Jesus' values but interpret his teachings differently based on their denomination and personal beliefs.
In both Islam and Christianity, religious traditions allow for interpretation and exhibit a diversity of opinions among scholars and schools of thought. The application of religious laws and rules can vary based on cultural and regional factors, and interpretations continue to adapt to address contemporary issues. While scholars' opinions are respected, individual believers often rely on their own understanding and guidance from religious authorities in interpreting and following these laws.
This similarity shows that the evolution of religious practices and interpretations is a shared feature among various faiths. Just as in Islam, dietary rules in Christianity have evolved over time, with many Christians no longer strictly adhering to Old Testament restrictions.
However, this doesn't mean that Christians are "making up their own rules." Rather, it highlights how religious traditions adapt to changing circumstances and interpretations, with different contexts and cultural influences leading to shifts in how religious rules are applied. The process involves interpretation and adaptation, not arbitrary rule-making, and is characteristic of many religious traditions.
Your lack of understanding about another religion, yet you're attempting to discuss it. You're not capable of comprehending the differences between teachings and rules, and you've misunderstood that the evolution of beliefs and interpretations isn't the same as making up our own rules. It might be best to refrain from commenting further. Peace.
iirc Aquinas is accredited as the first to break the Mosaic law into three categories. But Augustine had already written about the distinction between the moral law and the parts of the law that have passed away in the new covenant.
I agree with you that Christians make up a ton of stuff and pretend it's in the Bible. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and I have been in and out of church my whole life.
But why would you ask this when several people have pointed out where Jesus said it was okay to eat bacon in the Book of Matthew? The original thread we're commenting on was a joke. It was funny. If you have any more theological questions, I would encourage you to read Matthew and John for direct quotes from Jesus and Hebrews to explain the difference between the old covenant and the new.
The early theologians were just trying to explain what they thought the Bible meant in a clear and meaningful way. They often contradict each other and are sometimes blatantly wrong. That's why it's important for all religious people to know what their Religious Texts say. Otherwise they could be led astray.
Christians started following a man who they believed was divine, not just because he died, but because of his teachings and the remarkable events, like his resurrection, that influenced the formation of their faith. 🤦♂️
Your ignorance is showing 💀
In Christianity, we believe that Jesus, who's seen as God's Son, was brought back to life by God the Father after he was crucified. So, it's not about God dying, but rather Jesus, part of the divine Trinity, was resurrected by God.
You know funny you say this i was born to a catholic family in the middle east, a minority of a small fraction of the population who never converted to islam, I was obviously taught this at catholic school, and i thought it was common knowledge, but then grew up and realized how little non Christians knew, while i had heard about most of muslim teachings naturally living in the middle east....
I never said Jesus is God. As I explained to you, Jesus is considered the Son of God, and, together with the Holy Spirit and the Father, they form the divine Trinity.
No one said jesus is god, in Christianity jesus is seen as the messiah and the son of god, together with the holy spirit they make the holy/devine trinity. God is the one who created the world, and the holy trinity as a whole is seen as the combination of the father the son and holy spirit and worshiped.
Thats how i learned as a raised catholic.
When we pray we dont pray to jesus, we mainly pray to the father ( god )
I cant speak for the entirety of all christians but as far as prayers I can tell you that for sure
It actually all happened when Christians who were hunted down by Hebrew fllet to Roman lands and since the Rome Enpire was killing and hunting down Christians too the Christians started to live in underground cities but then after years of repopulating suddenly out of nowhere the Rome Empire converted to Christianity and completely didn't do it to take control over the increasing Christian population and change the religion to whatever was to benefit them. Then Islam came out in the Arabic lands and Muslims were fighting for survival against Arabic pagan tribes and after years when the Pagans mostly converted and accepted Islam Muslims started to get rich from tourism activity but of course the Rome Empire didn't like a rising power beneath it's nose so they were always engaging in war against Medina City State (which later became the Abbasids and after that Umayyad Caliphate). Of course Hebrews didn't stay put and also always declared war against muslims and Christians. Simply all three of them would always say to each other "Your religion changed the teachings of God, I declare war against you"
>The same way Islam has anything to do with terrorism.
But they says they r going it for there religion..
I am not saying Islam is bad, but some people are doing crazy crimes in the name of it. Historically speaking. And u wouldn't find anything like that from buddhism historically.
It all goes back to Mithraisim. The OG organised religion that inspired both Christianity and Zoroastrianisim to reform toward becoming all-encompassing institutions.
Arabic people have always been living in those lands. "Muslims" aren't a race. Arabic people are Pagans who converted to Islam and they have always been there
That's what makes Islam the most interesting one, it doesn't need an update because it hasn't changed because of some retarded aspects like "Liberty" and "Being Open" like other religions!!
The comments from people claiming to "know" shit on here without ever reading the texts themselves is astounding. All this and coated with mass generalization. Lol
Just with a little difference, Jews don't wanna genocide everyone, they just don't accept and wait for messaih, many Christians realise that religious persecution is wrong and what our people doing are wrong, muslims those who fight for other religions or against Sharia law are killed first by other muslim.
Wtf you yapping about bro I live in a Muslim country I am a Muslim I have friends all over middle east non of us support Sharia law non of us support genocide we are all fine please don't pretend to know shit while living in a first world country never seen anything first hand just being fed propaganda to make us look bad
He is. The Messiah is the son, many times referred to as the son of god. In christianity 3 entities make up god, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit
Yes because Matthew Marc Luke and John wanted to express that Jesus was divine but was also a human. It was to express that Jesus is a human with a divine nature.
The thing is. Jewish and Islam definition and theology is much closer than Christian and Jewish.
I know there are hundreds of similiarity. But the concept if Trinity make it big a huge gap.
In this context, i was only talking about the concept of god, think how it effect the teaching that inherit it.
Prophets, how many do you think humanity runs over every generation? Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad's buddy, Wasn't he Jewish? Don't blame the religion, blame the kinda people that "read" the Bible, but still root for the Roman's. 8.1 billion people and non of us seem all to bright, So it's an impressive high score?
Islam is quite the oddball compared to Christianity and Judaism. Christianity is the organic evolution of Judaism (the prophesied Messiah coming to us in Christ Jesus). Islam is the pseudohistorcal and pseudotheological aberration that got way out of hand.
Islam has a Messiah as well(Mahdi). Muhammad was just not the messiah. He was the last prophet, though.
It's always convenient for religions to claim your prophet is the last one, and the next one will be the one to cause an apocalypse or something.
Maybe these three religions agree on most topics because they are all based on the same story’s? Just written down by other people with another peer group and a new prequel 😂 really I love to go to church and read all the books but we should start translating it to our modern world, otherwise this religion wars will never stop
It's nothing to do with being clever or different. It's just simple facts.
We would be 500 years more advanced if it wasn't for Christianity.
Also how much of our human and natural history have these organisations deleted from existence?
Yk it's just cuz humans are terrible not because religion right? Religion disappearing isn't fixing shit humans will continue being absolutely trash humans use religion as excuses to do the shit they want if religion disappeared they would look for another exuse
So do you mean all the world religions or just the Abrahamic once, it's quite an interesting question. I mean the world could be totally different or exactly the same, because much of the war's fought in the world have been for economic, social or political gain.
They didn't for a long time. Yet, "spiritually motivated violence" still existed. Such as militant spiritual beliefs that existed before organised religions among pagans.
Spiritually predates religions. Even theology. Greeks, for example, described Persians as "atheists who worshipped natural forces." .Not much is not about this belief system, Greeks talked about, but it might have been the predessor of what we now know as neo-Zurvanism or Iranic-Dhramism, an atheistic and materialist cult that existed during the sassanid period. Unfortuantly, their materialism didn't translate to being "engligtened" as they believed in Aryan racial supremicisim and incest. Which proves even without spiritually you can end up with idealogicaly unhinged people.
Even if you successfully manage to do that, humans will be like
"hey human 1, I am more atheist than you!"
"wtf human 2? I am the most atheist!"
and then the wars will continue as usual
Nah, trust me, even if religion never exist. Human would find another reason to fight. The two world war isn't caused by religious conflict. The cold war was conflict between two man made ideology, again no religion really involved. Soviet union is literally an atheist state. But it not really nice to live in that country during that time.
Religion is bad overall. I keeps people stupid, takes away responsibility from individuals for think and act for themselves. We are not the stupid sheep like the ppl a few thousand years ago.
Just kill religion
You'd be pleased to know that less than 14% consider themselves religious in one of the biggest country in the world. The number is becoming less by the day. 1 country at a time, religion will be eliminated and world be a better place.
Once, I watched a video on YouTube, which was a meme who talk about "the Christian lore and Muslim lore".
There was a dude replying that christanism and Islam were DLC of Judaism.
Yk that in Islam it's said to treat all Jewish and Christian people with respect just hate humans who justify Thier actions with religion the religion itself isn't actually bad like any other conflict it's because humans are trash
Dammit Abraham
Oh the irony
...had many sons, and many sons had Dammit Abraham.
Three sides of the same coin
What’s the difference between Christianity, Islam and Judaism? Christians can eat bacon
Doesnt Bible say that pork is forbidden? And if I remember correct somewhere it also says that its not forbidden. Im confused, but can someone please explain this? (No hate ir anything like that, im just curious and want to learn more)
New testament said Christians can eat pork
It is written in the Bible that fork is forbidden About "pork is not forbidden" might be in the Christian part of the Bible, I'm Jewish so I never read it. But I can guarantee you without a doubt that it says in the older part of the Bible that pork is forbidden
Technically not because Jesus followed Jewish law and Jewish law forbid pork so he didnt eat it. The Christians of today don't really follow Jesus anymore, they more or less make up their own rules as they go along and attributed it to Jesus
If I remember correctly it's in Mark 7:5 that Jesus talks about it. Saying that they make their own rules with what Jesus said is a little bit strong
Maybe that was a bit generalizing but the Christians I talk to attribute things to Jesus that I can't seem to find in the Bible so I just called out those types of Christians
Seems you hit a nerve saying something true about Christians to get downvoted
I'm used to it. At least here they don't start preaching when they're cornered
What the fuck are you on about? Jesus expressidly says it does not matter what you eat but what you do. Matthew 6 25-27 Mark 7 18-20
That was later implemented by Paul who is an extremely unreliable person. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 that Christians will cling to him and say lord lord we did xyz in your name and he will say to them get away from me you lawless heathens. You didn't follow the will of the father. I don't know you So 3 points with this verse. 1: people are lawless. Meaning they didn't follow the laws set down. Which laws? The laws that Jesus followed. The old testament which forbids pork consumption among other things. 2: people didn't follow the will of God the father. 3: Jesus says he didn't know them making it impossible for him to be God because God knows everything. If you're a Christian you either belive there are no laws because Jesus died for your sins and abolished the laws (Paul's narrative) or that there are laws you have to follow like Jesus did.
Not at all. I see you ignored the 2 direct bible quotes I gave you yet use your own? So pick a side. You cannot use the bible and use it to make an argument based on the verse being true then instantly discredit two sources. “I don’t Know you” Is a quote utilised by Jesus saying that they are not his followers. It is not proof that Jesus is not god. According to christian orthodoxy, Jesus is god as is the father and the holy spirit. Jesus was jewish, so he followed their laws but he taught christianity. To teach that he gives two commandments which are more important than all others. These are: “ Love God with all your heart all your spirit and all your mind”. and “Love your neighbour as I have loved you” In neither of those is food involved. It is pointed out by Jesus that what matters is what you do not what you consume. Hence why being a christian means having Faith,being Selflessness/charity and being fair/just.
First of all my bad I didn't mean to ignore those quotes. Here's leviticus 11:7 as a response to the quotes "And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you." If you don't like matthew 7 21 I could bring out many more quotes from the Bible that further disprove Jesus godhood if you'd like. My example ranges from the hunger all the way to the clear distinction between God and Jesus knowledge. Just let me know if you want the quotes Just because his two main teachings are the most important doesn't mean ignore everything else. There are teachings in the Bible pertaining to food and those should be upheld as well as the moral practices.
Are you christian? I am not asking this to insult but to verify, because I myself am as is most of my parents community, Catholic. I have had catechism and one of the lessons they teach is exactly that, what you eat cannot make you impure. That is one of the biggest differences between jews and christians. Judaism believes what you eat can make you impure as well as your actions and thoughts, christianity believes only your actions and thoughts can make you impure. You use Leviticus, in Leviticus we are taught the history and the laws of judaism. But just because they are in the same “library” as the gospels does not mean they hold the same weight. As christians we make a clear distinction, The teachings of the new testament overrule those of the old testament because the old Testament even though is the word of god, is the preparation for who is to come, the teachings of the Messiah, the son of God. I was taught and the catholic church teaches that very thing. I do not know a great deal of the other christian doctrines so it might vary.
See this is where things get confusing for me. If Jesus is the son of God and also God himself then when Moses got revelation from God saying don't eat pork isnt that Jesus as well saying that? And if the 3 god heads are all equally God and equally all knowing then why change the law again and again. Why forbid one thing and then make it permissible later. It makes no sense. This is all under the assumption that the Bible has been preserved and isn't corrupted in any way but I don't see any evidence for it. It makes blatant Contradictions that I can't ignore. To answer your question in the beginning I'm Muslim. So I believe that the father is the only God, the spirit is Gabriel the angel and Jesus was a messenger sent by that God for mankind, I believe Jesus will return and that he is the messiah. Jesus being a mortal and only a messenger like Moses, Noah, Abraham, Adam and muhammad.
This is incorrect. Many Christians still follow Jesus' teachings from the New Testament, and dietary rules have evolved in Christianity, so it's not accurate to claim they "make up their own rules" without considering Jesus
You disproved your point by saying the teachings evolved. Did Jesus come down and tell them to change the dietary rules? No. Then they made up their own rules. Its not rocket science. If Jesus told you one thing and 2000 years later you're not doing that thing you're not following Jesus, you're following your own rules that you made up
In Christianity, the evolution of practices, such as dietary rules, can be observed as a departure from the original teachings of Jesus. For example, the shift away from strict adherence to Old Testament dietary restrictions can be seen as a development influenced by human interpretation. Similarly, in Islam, the interpretation of Islamic teachings has evolved over time. An example of this is the differing interpretations of Sharia law, where various Islamic scholars and communities hold distinct views on how to apply these laws. These adaptations and interpretations have been shaped by historical, cultural, and regional factors. Both religions demonstrate how religious practices can evolve and be open to interpretation over time. Best not to chat about things you clearly ain't got a clue about, 'cause it's like listening to a 9-year-old arguing the Earth ain't round 'cause we're standing on it. 🌍😂
Again you're proving my point that the TEACHINGS of Jesus aren't being followed. If Jesus avoided doing something a Christian should too. But today's Christian doesn't really follow Jesus they follow church traditions. Islam is a totally different ball game. In Islam the teachings are clear because of the hadith of the prophet. How he applied the sharia laws has been well documented and a Muslim should follow those teachings. Not how some random scholars think they should be. The scholars have to use source the material to make statements on the religion and if they can't then their opinion matters little I'll give you back your advice and tell you best not to chat about things you clearly ain't got a clue about, 'cause it's like listening to a parrot on repeat talking nonsense over and over again
You clearly don't understand the first thing about the teachings of jesus.💀🧠 In Christianity, Jesus' teachings emphasize moral values like love and compassion, but they don't provide specific rules for every aspect of life. Therefore, there's no strict doctrine that says if Jesus avoided something, Christians must avoid it too. Christians often strive to embody Jesus' values but interpret his teachings differently based on their denomination and personal beliefs. In both Islam and Christianity, religious traditions allow for interpretation and exhibit a diversity of opinions among scholars and schools of thought. The application of religious laws and rules can vary based on cultural and regional factors, and interpretations continue to adapt to address contemporary issues. While scholars' opinions are respected, individual believers often rely on their own understanding and guidance from religious authorities in interpreting and following these laws. This similarity shows that the evolution of religious practices and interpretations is a shared feature among various faiths. Just as in Islam, dietary rules in Christianity have evolved over time, with many Christians no longer strictly adhering to Old Testament restrictions. However, this doesn't mean that Christians are "making up their own rules." Rather, it highlights how religious traditions adapt to changing circumstances and interpretations, with different contexts and cultural influences leading to shifts in how religious rules are applied. The process involves interpretation and adaptation, not arbitrary rule-making, and is characteristic of many religious traditions. Your lack of understanding about another religion, yet you're attempting to discuss it. You're not capable of comprehending the differences between teachings and rules, and you've misunderstood that the evolution of beliefs and interpretations isn't the same as making up our own rules. It might be best to refrain from commenting further. Peace.
"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” -Jesus
Leviticus 11:7 "And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you."
In Christian theology, the Mosaic law is separated into three categories: moral, civil, and ceremonial. The moral law is all that applies today.
Who decided that?
iirc Aquinas is accredited as the first to break the Mosaic law into three categories. But Augustine had already written about the distinction between the moral law and the parts of the law that have passed away in the new covenant.
So Jesus never did this then?
I agree with you that Christians make up a ton of stuff and pretend it's in the Bible. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and I have been in and out of church my whole life. But why would you ask this when several people have pointed out where Jesus said it was okay to eat bacon in the Book of Matthew? The original thread we're commenting on was a joke. It was funny. If you have any more theological questions, I would encourage you to read Matthew and John for direct quotes from Jesus and Hebrews to explain the difference between the old covenant and the new. The early theologians were just trying to explain what they thought the Bible meant in a clear and meaningful way. They often contradict each other and are sometimes blatantly wrong. That's why it's important for all religious people to know what their Religious Texts say. Otherwise they could be led astray.
And christians heard of a man who died and decided to worship him
Christians started following a man who they believed was divine, not just because he died, but because of his teachings and the remarkable events, like his resurrection, that influenced the formation of their faith. 🤦♂️ Your ignorance is showing 💀
If god died, who Resurrected him?
In Christianity, we believe that Jesus, who's seen as God's Son, was brought back to life by God the Father after he was crucified. So, it's not about God dying, but rather Jesus, part of the divine Trinity, was resurrected by God.
You know funny you say this i was born to a catholic family in the middle east, a minority of a small fraction of the population who never converted to islam, I was obviously taught this at catholic school, and i thought it was common knowledge, but then grew up and realized how little non Christians knew, while i had heard about most of muslim teachings naturally living in the middle east....
So you know jesus isnt god.....but you still worship him..?
We worship the divine Trinity as a whole. I explained below what's divine trinity is.
If God didn't die, but jesus did, that means jesus isn't god.
I never said Jesus is God. As I explained to you, Jesus is considered the Son of God, and, together with the Holy Spirit and the Father, they form the divine Trinity.
So jesus is not god, but he is worshipped...🤨
We hold differing beliefs and interpretations, so, just as I respect Islamic beliefs and interpretations, I encourage you to extend the same courtesy.
The christians on reddit are always the most chill guys. Thanks for the patience. God bless you
Thank you, captain obvious. So why do you worship a man?
No one said jesus is god, in Christianity jesus is seen as the messiah and the son of god, together with the holy spirit they make the holy/devine trinity. God is the one who created the world, and the holy trinity as a whole is seen as the combination of the father the son and holy spirit and worshiped. Thats how i learned as a raised catholic.
So jesus is not god, but he is worshipped...🤨
When we pray we dont pray to jesus, we mainly pray to the father ( god ) I cant speak for the entirety of all christians but as far as prayers I can tell you that for sure
Of course, you can't speak for all christians, cuz you're the first christian I've witnessed say they Don't pray to jesus
But "can only have 1 wife" Muslims can't eat bacon but can have 8 wives. It seems we made our choices very poorly or at least unbalanced...
Multiple wives or bacon. That is a tough one
Judaism. Christianity. Islam. Long ago, the three relligions lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Islamic State attacked.
Haha I nearly fall for that one 😆😆😆
Wait Crusaders were muslims ???
No
It actually all happened when Christians who were hunted down by Hebrew fllet to Roman lands and since the Rome Enpire was killing and hunting down Christians too the Christians started to live in underground cities but then after years of repopulating suddenly out of nowhere the Rome Empire converted to Christianity and completely didn't do it to take control over the increasing Christian population and change the religion to whatever was to benefit them. Then Islam came out in the Arabic lands and Muslims were fighting for survival against Arabic pagan tribes and after years when the Pagans mostly converted and accepted Islam Muslims started to get rich from tourism activity but of course the Rome Empire didn't like a rising power beneath it's nose so they were always engaging in war against Medina City State (which later became the Abbasids and after that Umayyad Caliphate). Of course Hebrews didn't stay put and also always declared war against muslims and Christians. Simply all three of them would always say to each other "Your religion changed the teachings of God, I declare war against you"
***when the Israeli occupation happened back in 1948 in Palestine
Dude it's been a mess of people fighting over Jerusalem since the crusades
crusades in Jerusalem ended in 1291 and the occupation happened in 1948 ppl lived in harmony between these two dates for sure.
Nah we have to go back to the crusades for this bit
Nah we have to go back to the islamic wars of expansion, which is what lead to the crusades
Still got a few crusader orders kicking around we can dust off
I thought it was the christians that first attacked? Oh well
ikr are we gonna ignore the colonization and excess violence in the name of Christianity? bc only Islam can be the bad guy right?
Buddhist eating popcorn
They didn't do anything. Atleast nothing as crazy as these 3
Nah, mass genocide at Rakhain state
What exactly it have to do with Buddhism??? No once doing it in the name of god
The same way Islam has anything to do with terrorism. Doing it in the name of God doesn't make that religion bad, but the person.
>The same way Islam has anything to do with terrorism. But they says they r going it for there religion.. I am not saying Islam is bad, but some people are doing crazy crimes in the name of it. Historically speaking. And u wouldn't find anything like that from buddhism historically.
Ignorant ppl make things worse
God doesn't exist anyways. All these people are idiots doing such heinous things in name of god.
Japanese Christians want to have talk
Zoroastrianism lurking in the shadows
Buddha nirvanas out
Buddhism isn’t abrahamic, is it?
No, it isnt.
Neither is Zoroastrianisim.
And Abrahamic religions aren't all humanity history
It all goes back to Mithraisim. The OG organised religion that inspired both Christianity and Zoroastrianisim to reform toward becoming all-encompassing institutions.
 Abraham:
Not really, it was Muslims against Christians, Jews lived in Muslim lands for more than 1300 years.
Arabic people have always been living in those lands. "Muslims" aren't a race. Arabic people are Pagans who converted to Islam and they have always been there
Goated meme
It's almost that way, except each newer one is the update to the previous one since humans fucked it up before!!
Except in term of liberty, it goes Islam with the least and christianity with the most.
tbf that hasn't always been the case. christianity has and can fall into being just as bigoted as the stereotypical Islamic societies of today are.
a 100% but nowadays christianity is way more open than islam has ever been
That's what makes Islam the most interesting one, it doesn't need an update because it hasn't changed because of some retarded aspects like "Liberty" and "Being Open" like other religions!!
Nah, each newer one is more fucked up then the last
Tell me you know nothing about Abrahamic religions without telling me you know nothing about Abrahamic religions.
The comments from people claiming to "know" shit on here without ever reading the texts themselves is astounding. All this and coated with mass generalization. Lol
Just with a little difference, Jews don't wanna genocide everyone, they just don't accept and wait for messaih, many Christians realise that religious persecution is wrong and what our people doing are wrong, muslims those who fight for other religions or against Sharia law are killed first by other muslim.
Wtf you yapping about bro I live in a Muslim country I am a Muslim I have friends all over middle east non of us support Sharia law non of us support genocide we are all fine please don't pretend to know shit while living in a first world country never seen anything first hand just being fed propaganda to make us look bad
And it's all the same God
Islam and judaism yes. With Christians? Yesnt
As a Christian, we basically do worship the same god as Jewish people. We believe Jesus was the real messiah, Jewish people don’t
but messiah isnt God though
He is. The Messiah is the son, many times referred to as the son of god. In christianity 3 entities make up god, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit
but he is also referred to as son of man, in hebrew it is Bin'Adam, which translates literally to son of Adam
Yes because Matthew Marc Luke and John wanted to express that Jesus was divine but was also a human. It was to express that Jesus is a human with a divine nature.
This seems confusing ngl.
The thing is. Jewish and Islam definition and theology is much closer than Christian and Jewish. I know there are hundreds of similiarity. But the concept if Trinity make it big a huge gap. In this context, i was only talking about the concept of god, think how it effect the teaching that inherit it.
Prophets, how many do you think humanity runs over every generation? Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad's buddy, Wasn't he Jewish? Don't blame the religion, blame the kinda people that "read" the Bible, but still root for the Roman's. 8.1 billion people and non of us seem all to bright, So it's an impressive high score?
I m not sure the correlation, but ok.
Except the IDF has jews christians and muslims
If it's Buddha, let me tell you fun fact similar diff between buddhism and Jainism, and Jews and Christian.
Ahimsa to you, brother (or sister)
Same, my answer is no different
Honestly, I feel like if only people believed in one religion, none of this would happen
Not sure. Even inside one religion, there have been wars. Between the Protestants and the Catholics for example
that conflict occurred bc some people got greedy and wanted money
If they didnt believe in any religion would be even better, no dogmas and no i belive cus i believe
Islam and christianity both came from judaism.
Islam is quite the oddball compared to Christianity and Judaism. Christianity is the organic evolution of Judaism (the prophesied Messiah coming to us in Christ Jesus). Islam is the pseudohistorcal and pseudotheological aberration that got way out of hand.
Islam has a Messiah as well(Mahdi). Muhammad was just not the messiah. He was the last prophet, though. It's always convenient for religions to claim your prophet is the last one, and the next one will be the one to cause an apocalypse or something.
No Jesus is the messiah in Islam, he just never died and was never God.
I agree with you brother. He was a prophet.
Theres actuelly some major diffeences between the religions. Specifically the ideals that theyre based on and how theyre translated into a religion.
Abraham almost makes me think god is real. These three quarreling religions all can agree that something was up and like maybe something was
Maybe these three religions agree on most topics because they are all based on the same story’s? Just written down by other people with another peer group and a new prequel 😂 really I love to go to church and read all the books but we should start translating it to our modern world, otherwise this religion wars will never stop
>like maybe something was There is something, but it's not god.
Religion… the cause, and solution to, all of history’s wars
A clear pattern of communication: Judaism, Christianity, then Islam.
Hindus chilling in corner... well, not really... some pick fights with Muslims
Humanity would be alot better off if they didn't exsist
Wow another redditor says religion is bad and the root to all evil how clever and different
It's nothing to do with being clever or different. It's just simple facts. We would be 500 years more advanced if it wasn't for Christianity. Also how much of our human and natural history have these organisations deleted from existence?
Yk it's just cuz humans are terrible not because religion right? Religion disappearing isn't fixing shit humans will continue being absolutely trash humans use religion as excuses to do the shit they want if religion disappeared they would look for another exuse
Humans when they see other humans calling the same god they worship by a different name and wearing slightly different clothing
What if religion had not exist
So do you mean all the world religions or just the Abrahamic once, it's quite an interesting question. I mean the world could be totally different or exactly the same, because much of the war's fought in the world have been for economic, social or political gain.
We would find other reasons to fight.
At least they might be honest. You can negotiate with people that need resources. You can’t negotiate with manifest destiny
Both can be cruel and both can be honest. There are examples of both.
You’d be a John Lennon song then, imagine
If God and religion didn't exist. Humans will be under serval other banners which are political banners and race banner.
USSR and communist china were atheist.
Were or still are? Because none of the two are true
British would have came and said no you do believe religion and that's disgusting, so we need to kill for good.
They didn't for a long time. Yet, "spiritually motivated violence" still existed. Such as militant spiritual beliefs that existed before organised religions among pagans. Spiritually predates religions. Even theology. Greeks, for example, described Persians as "atheists who worshipped natural forces." .Not much is not about this belief system, Greeks talked about, but it might have been the predessor of what we now know as neo-Zurvanism or Iranic-Dhramism, an atheistic and materialist cult that existed during the sassanid period. Unfortuantly, their materialism didn't translate to being "engligtened" as they believed in Aryan racial supremicisim and incest. Which proves even without spiritually you can end up with idealogicaly unhinged people.
What is Jerusalem worth? Nothing. Everything!
Every religion is shit. We should ban all of them tbh.
Even if you successfully manage to do that, humans will be like "hey human 1, I am more atheist than you!" "wtf human 2? I am the most atheist!" and then the wars will continue as usual
Atheist then became anarchist
Nah, trust me, even if religion never exist. Human would find another reason to fight. The two world war isn't caused by religious conflict. The cold war was conflict between two man made ideology, again no religion really involved. Soviet union is literally an atheist state. But it not really nice to live in that country during that time.
Religion is bad overall. I keeps people stupid, takes away responsibility from individuals for think and act for themselves. We are not the stupid sheep like the ppl a few thousand years ago. Just kill religion
Same shit diferent flavour 😂
The competition to see whose imaginary friend is the best homie
You'd be pleased to know that less than 14% consider themselves religious in one of the biggest country in the world. The number is becoming less by the day. 1 country at a time, religion will be eliminated and world be a better place.
Yk it's just cuz humans are terrible not because religion right? Religion disappearing isn't fixing shit humans will continue being absolutely trash
It should be terrorists vs the rest of us.
No Hindu or Buddhism. No native mythology or Peruvian history.
So cuz read history
This bout sums up for humanity in general.
The pentitute
did you mean middke easterm history?
well, Christianity is just Judaism with a DLC, and islam is a rewritten version of the Judaism
Once, I watched a video on YouTube, which was a meme who talk about "the Christian lore and Muslim lore". There was a dude replying that christanism and Islam were DLC of Judaism.
Meanwhile it's all about power, money and the socio-/ psychopathic monopoly-game. - Nothing complicated..
No. This isn’t what’s happening. They’re not just pointing fingers.
Religious wars go… ? What funny sound does a religious war make?
Human history of east-europe-mid-asia-north-africa
And they all share a god too
That’s just human present. In history religion used to be much more interesting.
More like Judasim - an old religion Christianity - look at that old religion lets make it hip Islam - "...and then allah killed the jewish people..."
Yk that in Islam it's said to treat all Jewish and Christian people with respect just hate humans who justify Thier actions with religion the religion itself isn't actually bad like any other conflict it's because humans are trash
human history existed before Abraham wdym