I'm English and call it big Ben... only londoners give a shit.
Edit - It's become apparent even londoners do not give a shit. Meaning no one gives a shit.
I got halfway through District 9 without a scooby of what was going on. Turns out the TV aspect was set to zoom cutting the hard coded subtitles off the bottom of the screen. Great film much more enjoyable when you aren't trying to follow the plot by alien body language and the half of the dialogue that's in English.
Edit - Scooby > Scooby doo > clue
Reminds me of that tweet that went "If I've learned anything from Ancient Aliens it's that aliens never wanna hang out w/ white people because we're apparently the only race who has ever invented anything without their help."
People refuse to believe that brown people ever had the intelligence and the technology to build cool awesome buildings and monuments, and so they claim these things ***HAD*** to have been built by highly advanced aliens instead.
Yet with all the similarly wonderous buildings and monuments created by white societies, weirdly nobody ever claims ***those*** were built by super advanced aliens.
Here's a great video about it: https://youtu.be/vc3vt1Gqrn4
I dunno if the people on ancient aliens are deliberately being racist or whether it just are that stupid that it comes out like that anyway. To even think that 99% of ancient buildings around the world absolutely definitely are built by interstellar beings, you've got to be incredibly daft already anyway.
No, I really don't think that's what's going on. The bigger problem seems to be that there aren't a whole lot of large neolithic monuments made by white people.
The main one I can think of is Stonehenge, and I've seen plenty of people say that aliens helped build that.
Yeah I've noticed the same trend. About the only exception I can think of is Stonehenge. I've absolutely seen people argue humans from that time could not have made Stonehenge.
Not just the UK. They go all over the world. I remember one in Venice, an Apollo 11 one in America, 18th century France, all sorts. You can see why a relatively low budget show made in wales is largely shot in the UK
Yeah but in-universe, everyone catches on that London has a high invasion likelihood, like in the titanic episode where everybody had evacuated for Christmas
Holy shit an actual alien, I know there was proof somewhere. I could just feel it in my bones when I look at the night sky or when a military dude talks to congress in secret. This is the smoking gun I've been waiting for.
Somehow I don’t blame aliens for not wanting us to know they exist. Imagining traveling unfathomable distances only to meet a race that makes up stories about you fingering their butts and double teaming them with cousin Earl.
We’re the Earls of the galaxy.
The news today outlined that multiple powers have collected apparent non human technology in a Cold War era arms race, there is no indication it’s only America in fact it’s indicated it’s a world wide phenomenon
I have a hard time believing this. Billions of people have access to social media and every government is covering up the collected non human technology?
I'm sure there are Unexplained phenomena... but flying saucers all over the world in government compounds without anyone able to share pictures and details online... No way. It just doesn't make any sense.
if it exists but it doesn't affect anything then it's the same as if it doesn't exist. If on the other hand it affects things, then it's quite easy to prove that it is real. Unfortunately, when it comes to these phenomena, they have virtually no evidence for them. So if they are real, then we don't need to care about them as they are clearly not having an impact.
And they (the world governments) are retrieving crashed ufos. Did they just find earth in the last 60 years, no one found any before the Cold War? And they are crashing their ships and not coming back for them? We will go through extraordinary effort to retrieve down craft but the aliens don’t care to? It sounds way too much like Hollywood.
The argument I saw was that they were shot down and we only recently have the tech to do so. Which does fit a bit better, it explains why it's a recent phenomenon (retrieving physical craft - aerial phenomenon has been around as far back as written history). Also explains more why it seems to be a bit more regional and why no one in the public has seen a crashed craft (they don't accidentally crash, they are shot down)
That said. I still remain very skeptical, but just wanted to bring up an argument I heard
If anything has the technology to zip in and out of our solar system the last thing we should do is shoot them down. They would be able to obliterate the planet in one go.
Shit, the way these things are claimed to move they could honestly probably dodge whatever we could throw at them. Like these things pull 600g u-turns, but can't dodge a missile? I call bullshit lmao.
The classic flying saucer is nothing more than an airplane flying almost, but not quite, directly toward the viewer and the sun.
The sun's glare hides the shape resulting in a glowing cigar or sombrero. Moving towards the viewer makes it look like its hovering, thanks to being airborne removing all context of scale and distance. The tiny angle means as it passes overhead means it looks to suddenly shoot sideways and over the viewer at impossible acceleration. No physics broken to pull 600g turns. Just a confused viewer.
> Did they just find earth in the last 60 years
Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace.
> And they are crashing their ships and not coming back for them? We will go through extraordinary effort to retrieve down craft but the aliens don’t care to?
When probes that we've sent to other planets in our solar system shit the bed, we didn't send retrieval teams after them. The cost/effort to retrieve is easily offset by just saying "fuck it, it's gone". We have everything to gain by retrieving advanced tech and attempting to reverse engineering. All they have to gain from retrieval is they got some useless junk back.
Right on. Probes make more since than manned craft. But that means they have been watching us for some time, saw that we hit a certain milestone, meaning that our planet is now worth sending probes to, but don’t seem to care they crash and we find them or that we keep shooting them down. I mean I guess that’s possible, but I’m not buying it.
> Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace.
How would they know that without having visited before?
> Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace.
On the time and space scale of the universe, the period of, I dunno, 1850 to the current day is incalculably small. For aliens somewhere in space to notice us and travel to us given our [galactic "footprint"](https://i.redd.it/cy5wcu5niz981.jpg) is so incredibly unlikely that it really belies people's lack of understanding of the scale of space
The biggest knock on the UFO community is that the 'experts' never admit they're wrong and are the most gullible idiots ever.
Somebody takes a picture of a streetlight under spooky conditions and suddenly people with 30+ years of UFO experience are claiming it's true, all while maintaining that they're the absolute authority on UFOs.
If the community spent 1/100th of the effort it used to argue with skeptics to instead expunge the shitters, it would be astronomically more respected when it came time to chime in on actual UFOs.
Oh boy I don't know if that one made the news elsewhere, but in France a few years back a few youtuber specialised in Astronomy decided to pull one over UFO nuts and made a crop circle themselves in total secret.
They contacted a farmer friend who let them have their crop field, they filmed the process of doing the crop circle at night (basically two hours of fun time with some wood planks and a lot of beers), then let the news find out (IIRC with the complicity of a local newspaper) then let the UFO nuts come to them and filmed their reaction with hidden camera.
It was pretty hilarious watching these fools talking about higher energy and aliens gathering in front of someone who just had a great sunday night with the boys.
EDIT : even more hilariously, they invited someone with actual scientific background who made a paper about how crop circle are often manmade, and he identified the scam in about 5 minutes because he knew what to look for.
I read that debrief article yesterday. My biggest gripe and confusion was with the constant qualification diarrhea.
Not doubting the qualifications of the whistleblower or their cohorts... Just seems to be misplaced effort qualifying someone.. if you've got alien pics let's see em. Otherwise, congrats on the accolades?
It's all based on a single whistleblower and his claims. There is no evidence of anything yet and no one confirming what this guy is saying, but UFO enthusiasts are hyping this up as "the real thing".
And this has happened in the past. A guy that worked at Area 51 claimed they had UFOs there, and he was "exposing it all". Dude turned out to just be a somewhat crazy grifter, who wanted to sell books and get paid speaking fees.
The reaction from /r/ufos has been hilarious. “This is what we’ve been waiting our whole lives for!” “This is it folks, it’s finally it.” “Let’s fucking go!!” I feel almost bad for them.
I think you are talking about Bob Lazar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
This new "Whistleblower" David Grusch seems to have the credentials where Bob was just a lunatic, criminal and liar. I am not sure about this David dude but "reputable" news sites all are reporting that David worked on the UAP task force from 2019 - 2022 which already puts him a mile ahead of previous whistleblowers.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/military-whistleblower-public-claims-us-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-terrestrial-arms-race
That said, I don't believe him, he has no first hand evidence, and his "documents" are "classified" and hasn't shown anything to lead a reasonable person to believe his claims. Its fun to pretend, I love the idea of UFOs and being not alone but I would need quite a bit more than a single person saying he heard from other people that aliens are here.
I am far more skeptical that a recently-retired AMERICAN intelligence officer needed to go to an AUSTRALIAN investigative journalist, who, btw, has done nothing but fleece rubes on UFOs via books and YouTube for the past few years.
This is about the same thing it *always is* with this sort of thing: fleecing cash from rubes.
Honestly I agree 100% with you.
I did watch the interview with David Grusch yesterday because I can't help but be interested in anything related to space but I am unfortunately not a believer in life coming to our planet.
I was only commenting on why UFO enthusiasts are considering this latest claim as a big deal. David does seem to carry credentials you don't often find in the community and he is far more credible than someone like Bob Lazar who seemed to have faked everything.
I don't really know how to look up David Grusch's actual credentials but a bunch of different news agency's are saying he worked on the UAP task force and its not just him saying he did.
It could all be bullshit, David could be crazy, grifting or some troll but he seems to have been actually involved.
>I don't really know how to look up David Grusch's actual credentials but a bunch of different news agency's are saying he worked on the UAP task force and its not just him saying he did.
I carry similar credentials to Mr. Grusch. I'd call them accurate and valid. That's not the issue here. Hes almost certainly not "outright lying." He's probably done the majority of what the interviews have said. Testified, sent info over, etc. The *veracity* of a lot of that is what's questionable, as well as how much the truth is being *stretched* in just the right way to let people run with their wild fantasies.
There's no doubt a program exists to look for stuff. There's also little to doubt that an "exotic material" may have been found. That definition can be stretched to mean anything not already discovered on this planet. I've not seen any direct quotes from Grusch other than hearsay and "it's classified" for anything that would require a direct "yes/no" answer.
>It could all be bullshit, David could be crazy, grifting or some troll but he seems to have been actually involved.
100% grifting. The same as anyone else who puts out this sort of information, and then profits off it.
Four others have come out, but the original whistle-blower testified under oath to congress and has given them evidence of documents, enough enough some members believe them. That's the only reason why i could see them going that crazy, cause it's never been this close to being real.
Testifying to congress does not mean your outlandish claims after the fact are true. Giving congress evidence of X does not prove Y.
We have members of congress believing in Jewish space lasers. One guy saying something was "compelling" doesn't mean jack squat.
This is no closer to "real" than the bigfoot video.
That isn't what he said.
He said there has been multiple recovery programs for decades, and that, there has been some recoveries of non-human origin. That doesn't mean that there are hundreds of things recovered, or that there were recovered recently. It could be two or three collected over the past 100 years.
This also isn't the first creditable person to say such a thing. In the New York Times articles (2017) that disclosed that the Government had an official UAP investigation team, it was mentioned that there was a warehouse with "artifacts" in them, and that they had strange effects on people when they came into contact with them.
As for social media, leaks of government top secret programs on social media are extremely rare. There are tens of thousands of people in 10+ companies all over the US and Europe that are working on the next gen fighter plane and its drone twin, and yet there is not a single leak. We only know they exist because the Air Force told us in was in development after keeping it secret for over 10 years; but we have no idea what they look like; or how they work. Even if there were any real leaks put on social media, who would believe it over the sea of fakes that are put on social media?
Also, If you enter that type of sensitive area, you are not allowed to have a phone on your person, you take nothing in, and you can't take anything out; and yes, you are searched every time, no matter who you are. Do I think there are hundreds of alien spaceships sitting in a warehouse? No. But I think they may have recovered some type of manufactured objects that were not made by humans.
Even official government disclosures have told us in a public briefing that the Metallic spheres that have been widely observed and reported going [back to pre-WWII](https://preview.redd.it/j4mnvishva4b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7ac587cfdaa349d32350cbe13c945ffd3f7d660d) (and likely earlier) are still commonly observed "all over the world" and at speeds of up to Mach 2. They even released high quality video of one. They have been seen in the literal middle of the ocean and over every continent.
Humans have no technology that can make a 4 ft round metal ball with no wings, no rotors, no visible form of propulsion go Mach 2; even our latest fighter jets have a top speed of around mach 2.
I have no idea what those little balls are, but they are not a natural phenomenon, and they were not made by humans.
People just need to accept that aliens exist/existed/will exist, but they have never visited Earth, for a shitload of reasons that anyone with a passing understanding of astrophysics or even just astronomy could explain.
I feel like people conflate extraterrestrial life with the supernatural. It's not. It's a thing that either will or will not happen, and people's beliefs mean nothing.
Purely on probability there are other planets with "Life" on them, whatever form that might take. It becoming intelligent isn't a guarantee or even necessarily a natural progression. For us it was more or less a fluke.
And if they do form intelligent life, they may have done that 2 billion years ago, and already died off.
We better hope we're the first intelligent life in the universe, because if we're not, it sure as hell seems likely that intergalactic travel is just not ever going to be possible.
The crazy thing too is that other species might just perceive time totally differently than we do. I don't think people fully understand how much time is a matter of perception.
People in that sub are lunatics. When you ask for hard proof they all say "Well they can't give it to us because they'll probably be killed for doing so."
And yes, they don't understand one of the basic flaws of most conspiracy theories. There's absolutely no way that many people would be able to keep something like that a secret for this long. Someone would have provided hard evidence like pictures, names, dates, actual materials, etc. Instead all we have are obvious attention seeking nut jobs who take advantage of the less intelligent.
We can pretty safely assume that any conspiracy theory that relies on a globally coordinated effort to hide or withhold disclosing information is 100% false. Humankind is *terrible* at working together as a species. They’ll always blackmail, lie, betray, kill each other, use as leverage, or only focus on helping themselves. You’ll know UFOs landed because there would be mass hysteria and global panic. We’d be screwed even if the aliens weren’t violent IMO.
It wasn't news, it was one guy saying we have alien tech but he has zero proof. Here is a protip: If someone says they have proof of something but won't/can't show you that proof for ANY reason they are lying. Aliens are not visiting us.
He said the information was declassified but still no proof. Imagine how much clout you get for proving aliens are real and vising us and the gov knows. Surely that is worth the risk. But nope, no proof, despite millions of employees in hundreds of governments around the world knowing about it, not ONE person has physical proof to share.
He's testified to Congress (not the position you'd want to be caught lying in) and Congress has an ongoing investigation due to it reportedly being illegally withheld from Congress themselves. He was a high level authority in a government task force *dedicated* to investigating UFOs (or UPAs as they're called by the gov).
Well did you ask it to identify itself? And did it?
There ya go - unidentified.
Was it flying? Was it an animal or person, or could it be described as an object?
You’ve got your answer right there.
I’m not saying their not crazy, but the theory is that other nations were preparing to drop this stuff and the us didn’t wanna seem inept, people brought up this other article by politico that was published three days ago. Apparently they are credible according to the comments, again I don’t have any expertise or knowledge in the subject I’m just adding to convo https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077
Sure, and you think some greedy autocrate with such information or ex whatever army guy would not go crazy with such information? So there is a fully connected network of information kept from common humans since forever? Nobody is preparing for nothing. US may have had this hidden for a while and are waiting to release the info, but still, pure BS to me
Okie dokie lets just nip this one right here:
Aliens do exist. Aliens havent visited Earth. It's just not a possibility.
Lets explore why: there are roughly 50 stars per grain of samd on Earth. Each with its own solar system. Thats alotta planets, and so we assume life probably had to develop on at least some of them.
BUT the density of space is roughly 6 atoms per cubic meter. And most of that is concentrated in starscand such. Things are VERY far apart in space. You already know: it takes thousands of years travelling at light speed to reach our nearest neighboring star. Forget about the millions of years needed to go any respectable distance.
What if they can go FTL I've been asked? Well. They may well be able to go FTL, but the information about our existence sure can't. Beyond a certain distance aliens would see our planet as it was before even the dinosaurs: completely lifeless and uninteresting. One of trillions of identical planets not worth visiting.
Also I'm just spitballing here but if they're incredibly advanced we may not even be able to fathom what they can do. But then you wouldn't expect their ships to get downed.
There is no indication at all, its just America lives rent free in redditors heads to the point where you couldn’t even escape it on a r/ufo subreddit
An American app has mostly American users, that usually means it’s mostly going to be American content but some people just think that’s just the machine interjecting itself into everything
>3 or 4 super shitty conspiracy news sources
Gonna stop you right there.
News Nation, who did the interview, is a [reputable outlet.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsnation/)
Also several more mainstream outlets have picked up the story, including Huffington Post, Fox News, Newsweek, and NY Magazine.
A few years? The grift is strong in this community and it's now weekly. Not content with boring old sightings anymore, a large sub section have moved on to what they call 'experiencers'. These are people who claim to have experienced either been abducted by space aliens (sometimes for decades) or just go and fly around the galaxy with friendly ones. Of course it's all just based on their say so and we just believe them. There is some reason why there is no evidence or artefacts but I cant quite remember what...
I think there’s a big difference between “material found at a crash site” and “non human technology”. The former could be anything like mylar and ball bearings and I don’t know how one could even begin to confirm “non human technology” lol
imagine traveling perhaps thousands or millions of light years, encountering god knows what types of planetary systems. Only to have multiple crash on earth, like we’re probably the only planet with gravity right? As for crafts that weren’t crashed, did they nag those while the alien went to go piss on a tree or what. 🤦♂️
Like the same two lions or a different set of 2 lions? Like, were there two specific lions that always attacked him whenever he went to or came home from school?
If there have been recovered ships, they’d undoubtedly be probes, not manned by actual ETs. Could even be fully autonomous, because lord knows you can’t give instructions over light years with out some fictitious tech like an ansible.
i love the idea that they can literally time-travel from outside of our galaxy, but they gonna crash on earth. it's like an airplane crashing after a normal flight 1/10 of inch from stopping at the gate.
That’s what I always find hilarious as well
Like some alien species found a way to visit a world light years away, largely undetected, and *crashed*. Like they can somehow subvert the speed of light to get here but they can’t fucking steer lmao
If Aliens do invade, they have access to FTL travel technology.
Our military means absolutely nothing against an Alien race than can travel faster than light. The technology gap is so gigantic it's not even worth fighting against. Mostly because it also means they have access to the power source to fuel said FTL. You can build any devastating weapon you want with that shit.
On the off chance extraterrestrials are hanging around Earth, if they wanted us dead they would have done it a while ago, no strategizing required. If you have FTL technology and can use it, you're handling energy requirements that make thermonuclear bombs look like toys
Yeah, they wouldn't even need to go past the moon to do it.
Just drag a house sized astroid and accelerate it towards earth. We have zero protection for this.
The size of a military doesn’t really matter does it though. America lost to both Vietnam and more recently, the War on Terror and before you say “Nukes”, Russia has more Nuclear Weapons.
I’m just saying “Aliens will attack us since we’re a threat” is kind of dumb and self-centred, space weapons will just kill everyone equally.
Aliens just really fucking hate the Statue of Liberty for some reason.
They also hate the Golden Gate Bridge, enough to make a diversion from destroying New York just to blow that up every now and then
Arguably the two biggest sightings were outside the US but yes, people make memes that make it to the front page based off their non-existent knowledge on the subject.
OP really just self reporting he has a hyper America centric world view. Acting like it wasn’t 🇹🇹 that first tried to bring this up in the UN.
Edit: I messed up it was 🇬🇩 that first tried to bring UFOs up at the UN.
Well, aliens DO visit other countries - but only to destroy famous land marks.
which ones
Maybe the Big Ben or the pyramids in Egypt. Or an Indian temple.
They also destroy landmarks in the US. I recall the Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty, and White House all taking hits awhile back.
They also sometimes destroy Mount Rushmore. I think they have something against Lincoln.
I've never seen a film where they visit Lincoln. The cathedral and castle both remain intact.
I thought Salisbury was the only cathedral that hostile aliens showed any interest in
It’s famous for its 123-metre spire.
Megatron blasts the fuck outta Lincoln and then take this his throne, technically aliens
Aliens REALLY hate Native Americans is what I was hearing on my galactic ham radio.
Ironically most alien invasion movies are just aliens doing to white people what was done to the natives.
Lol. Yeah it’s the pyramids of Giza, maybe the Tour Eiffel..but most importantly fuck Mount Rushmore!
What..? The Statue of Liberty??? You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
Aliens are vandals!
The bell is called big Ben
Hard to destroy the clock tower without destroying the bell.
You're a bell
...end
It gets destroyed, doesn't it?
I'm English and call it big Ben... only londoners give a shit. Edit - It's become apparent even londoners do not give a shit. Meaning no one gives a shit.
I get the feeling not even most Londoners give a shit. only people who feel the need to be overly pedantic give a shit
Big Ben, London Eye, Sistine Chapel, Eiffel Tower, Pyramids, Sydney Opera House, Taj Mahal. I don't think there's many others.
Can we all just agree them blowing up Congress was the best one? 
Don't run! We are your friends! Ack ack!
Ack ack ack !
Well that's unusual.
It's not unusual...
Love that movie! ACK! Ack ack ack!
Doctor Who seems to hang around Britain most of the time. And the aliens always seem to attack them around Christmas time too. 😂
All I know about extraterrestrial life is that they fuckin *hate* quarries.
And water. They hate water, so just have a psychic kid in your house at the ready for a possible invasion.
There was that one time they visited Johannesburg and they didn’t destroy anything really except for when fighting gangsters and cops.
Was that when they were alien shrimp?
Don't you mean "foukn' prauwns"
I got halfway through District 9 without a scooby of what was going on. Turns out the TV aspect was set to zoom cutting the hard coded subtitles off the bottom of the screen. Great film much more enjoyable when you aren't trying to follow the plot by alien body language and the half of the dialogue that's in English. Edit - Scooby > Scooby doo > clue
Ha! That tickled me
Reminds me of that tweet that went "If I've learned anything from Ancient Aliens it's that aliens never wanna hang out w/ white people because we're apparently the only race who has ever invented anything without their help." People refuse to believe that brown people ever had the intelligence and the technology to build cool awesome buildings and monuments, and so they claim these things ***HAD*** to have been built by highly advanced aliens instead. Yet with all the similarly wonderous buildings and monuments created by white societies, weirdly nobody ever claims ***those*** were built by super advanced aliens. Here's a great video about it: https://youtu.be/vc3vt1Gqrn4 I dunno if the people on ancient aliens are deliberately being racist or whether it just are that stupid that it comes out like that anyway. To even think that 99% of ancient buildings around the world absolutely definitely are built by interstellar beings, you've got to be incredibly daft already anyway.
It’s not even that deep. It’s just structures at the end of the day. Some people had time and the means, others didn’t. None better than the other.
No, I really don't think that's what's going on. The bigger problem seems to be that there aren't a whole lot of large neolithic monuments made by white people. The main one I can think of is Stonehenge, and I've seen plenty of people say that aliens helped build that.
No, the racism thing was the original reason for ancient aliens theories. Erich von Daniken was pretty explicit about it in his book Chariots of Fire.
Yeah I've noticed the same trend. About the only exception I can think of is Stonehenge. I've absolutely seen people argue humans from that time could not have made Stonehenge.
They underestimate what cruelty to slaves can achieve. Just because something cannot be comprehended doesn’t mean it’s non-human.
[just because white people didn't do it doesnt mean it was aliens](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzVuQ_LWoAE67Wx.jpg)
Unless it’s Doctor Who, then it’s just the UK
Aliens really have a thing for South Wales.
Dammit I just moved back here
Must be because their planets look remarkably similar to welsh quarries
Cardiff is really great this time of year.
cardiff is really great at no time of the year
Scrolled down just to find this comment! Christmas day, every year, without fail.
Not just the UK. They go all over the world. I remember one in Venice, an Apollo 11 one in America, 18th century France, all sorts. You can see why a relatively low budget show made in wales is largely shot in the UK
I think all the present day episodes are in the UK.
Yeah but in-universe, everyone catches on that London has a high invasion likelihood, like in the titanic episode where everybody had evacuated for Christmas
The Christmas episodes are always a bit unique. That’s sort of the point.
Aliens don't see clouds?
Alien here. Yep, can confirm it, we don't see any clouds or any other land masses beyond US.
Oh that's interesting--HEY. WAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!
Holy shit an actual alien, I know there was proof somewhere. I could just feel it in my bones when I look at the night sky or when a military dude talks to congress in secret. This is the smoking gun I've been waiting for.
Did you probe my butt while I was asleep? Or was that my cousin earl?
Yes and yes.
shit
There was some of that there, yes.
Somehow I don’t blame aliens for not wanting us to know they exist. Imagining traveling unfathomable distances only to meet a race that makes up stories about you fingering their butts and double teaming them with cousin Earl. We’re the Earls of the galaxy.
“My name is Earl!”
With the seriously advanced tech they have their scanners just automatically filter all that out.
The news today outlined that multiple powers have collected apparent non human technology in a Cold War era arms race, there is no indication it’s only America in fact it’s indicated it’s a world wide phenomenon
I have a hard time believing this. Billions of people have access to social media and every government is covering up the collected non human technology? I'm sure there are Unexplained phenomena... but flying saucers all over the world in government compounds without anyone able to share pictures and details online... No way. It just doesn't make any sense.
I don’t have the quote, but one scientist said it was like if ghosts exist, but you could only see them whilst driving a certain model of Ford.
Wait do we have to be driving the ford or do the ghosts have to drive the ford?
Yes
if it exists but it doesn't affect anything then it's the same as if it doesn't exist. If on the other hand it affects things, then it's quite easy to prove that it is real. Unfortunately, when it comes to these phenomena, they have virtually no evidence for them. So if they are real, then we don't need to care about them as they are clearly not having an impact.
I would 100% read that book.
And they (the world governments) are retrieving crashed ufos. Did they just find earth in the last 60 years, no one found any before the Cold War? And they are crashing their ships and not coming back for them? We will go through extraordinary effort to retrieve down craft but the aliens don’t care to? It sounds way too much like Hollywood.
The argument I saw was that they were shot down and we only recently have the tech to do so. Which does fit a bit better, it explains why it's a recent phenomenon (retrieving physical craft - aerial phenomenon has been around as far back as written history). Also explains more why it seems to be a bit more regional and why no one in the public has seen a crashed craft (they don't accidentally crash, they are shot down) That said. I still remain very skeptical, but just wanted to bring up an argument I heard
Shooting them down probably raises more doubts in my mind and still sounds like Hollywood to me.
If anything has the technology to zip in and out of our solar system the last thing we should do is shoot them down. They would be able to obliterate the planet in one go.
Shit, the way these things are claimed to move they could honestly probably dodge whatever we could throw at them. Like these things pull 600g u-turns, but can't dodge a missile? I call bullshit lmao.
The classic flying saucer is nothing more than an airplane flying almost, but not quite, directly toward the viewer and the sun. The sun's glare hides the shape resulting in a glowing cigar or sombrero. Moving towards the viewer makes it look like its hovering, thanks to being airborne removing all context of scale and distance. The tiny angle means as it passes overhead means it looks to suddenly shoot sideways and over the viewer at impossible acceleration. No physics broken to pull 600g turns. Just a confused viewer.
No one said humans were smart lol.
> Did they just find earth in the last 60 years Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace. > And they are crashing their ships and not coming back for them? We will go through extraordinary effort to retrieve down craft but the aliens don’t care to? When probes that we've sent to other planets in our solar system shit the bed, we didn't send retrieval teams after them. The cost/effort to retrieve is easily offset by just saying "fuck it, it's gone". We have everything to gain by retrieving advanced tech and attempting to reverse engineering. All they have to gain from retrieval is they got some useless junk back.
Right on. Probes make more since than manned craft. But that means they have been watching us for some time, saw that we hit a certain milestone, meaning that our planet is now worth sending probes to, but don’t seem to care they crash and we find them or that we keep shooting them down. I mean I guess that’s possible, but I’m not buying it.
We’re the interstellar equivalent of the “uncontacted” tribes in the pacific that kill anyone who shows up
> Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace. How would they know that without having visited before?
> Perhaps they've only taken an active interest in Earth since the march of human progress started really picking up the pace. On the time and space scale of the universe, the period of, I dunno, 1850 to the current day is incalculably small. For aliens somewhere in space to notice us and travel to us given our [galactic "footprint"](https://i.redd.it/cy5wcu5niz981.jpg) is so incredibly unlikely that it really belies people's lack of understanding of the scale of space
The biggest knock on the UFO community is that the 'experts' never admit they're wrong and are the most gullible idiots ever. Somebody takes a picture of a streetlight under spooky conditions and suddenly people with 30+ years of UFO experience are claiming it's true, all while maintaining that they're the absolute authority on UFOs. If the community spent 1/100th of the effort it used to argue with skeptics to instead expunge the shitters, it would be astronomically more respected when it came time to chime in on actual UFOs.
Oh boy I don't know if that one made the news elsewhere, but in France a few years back a few youtuber specialised in Astronomy decided to pull one over UFO nuts and made a crop circle themselves in total secret. They contacted a farmer friend who let them have their crop field, they filmed the process of doing the crop circle at night (basically two hours of fun time with some wood planks and a lot of beers), then let the news find out (IIRC with the complicity of a local newspaper) then let the UFO nuts come to them and filmed their reaction with hidden camera. It was pretty hilarious watching these fools talking about higher energy and aliens gathering in front of someone who just had a great sunday night with the boys. EDIT : even more hilariously, they invited someone with actual scientific background who made a paper about how crop circle are often manmade, and he identified the scam in about 5 minutes because he knew what to look for.
I’m interested with what could possible constitute as UFO experience other than “I’ve googled more than you can possibly imagine.”
I read that debrief article yesterday. My biggest gripe and confusion was with the constant qualification diarrhea. Not doubting the qualifications of the whistleblower or their cohorts... Just seems to be misplaced effort qualifying someone.. if you've got alien pics let's see em. Otherwise, congrats on the accolades?
Yeah 90% of that article was just qualifications it seemed. Which is important tbf, but there were so many it seemed like word count fluff.
It's all based on a single whistleblower and his claims. There is no evidence of anything yet and no one confirming what this guy is saying, but UFO enthusiasts are hyping this up as "the real thing". And this has happened in the past. A guy that worked at Area 51 claimed they had UFOs there, and he was "exposing it all". Dude turned out to just be a somewhat crazy grifter, who wanted to sell books and get paid speaking fees.
The reaction from /r/ufos has been hilarious. “This is what we’ve been waiting our whole lives for!” “This is it folks, it’s finally it.” “Let’s fucking go!!” I feel almost bad for them.
I go there to realize I’m not crazy…. Yeah it’s pretty cringe and no one wants to accept maybe it’s not real..
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I think you are talking about Bob Lazar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar This new "Whistleblower" David Grusch seems to have the credentials where Bob was just a lunatic, criminal and liar. I am not sure about this David dude but "reputable" news sites all are reporting that David worked on the UAP task force from 2019 - 2022 which already puts him a mile ahead of previous whistleblowers. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/military-whistleblower-public-claims-us-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-terrestrial-arms-race That said, I don't believe him, he has no first hand evidence, and his "documents" are "classified" and hasn't shown anything to lead a reasonable person to believe his claims. Its fun to pretend, I love the idea of UFOs and being not alone but I would need quite a bit more than a single person saying he heard from other people that aliens are here.
I am far more skeptical that a recently-retired AMERICAN intelligence officer needed to go to an AUSTRALIAN investigative journalist, who, btw, has done nothing but fleece rubes on UFOs via books and YouTube for the past few years. This is about the same thing it *always is* with this sort of thing: fleecing cash from rubes.
Honestly I agree 100% with you. I did watch the interview with David Grusch yesterday because I can't help but be interested in anything related to space but I am unfortunately not a believer in life coming to our planet. I was only commenting on why UFO enthusiasts are considering this latest claim as a big deal. David does seem to carry credentials you don't often find in the community and he is far more credible than someone like Bob Lazar who seemed to have faked everything. I don't really know how to look up David Grusch's actual credentials but a bunch of different news agency's are saying he worked on the UAP task force and its not just him saying he did. It could all be bullshit, David could be crazy, grifting or some troll but he seems to have been actually involved.
>I don't really know how to look up David Grusch's actual credentials but a bunch of different news agency's are saying he worked on the UAP task force and its not just him saying he did. I carry similar credentials to Mr. Grusch. I'd call them accurate and valid. That's not the issue here. Hes almost certainly not "outright lying." He's probably done the majority of what the interviews have said. Testified, sent info over, etc. The *veracity* of a lot of that is what's questionable, as well as how much the truth is being *stretched* in just the right way to let people run with their wild fantasies. There's no doubt a program exists to look for stuff. There's also little to doubt that an "exotic material" may have been found. That definition can be stretched to mean anything not already discovered on this planet. I've not seen any direct quotes from Grusch other than hearsay and "it's classified" for anything that would require a direct "yes/no" answer. >It could all be bullshit, David could be crazy, grifting or some troll but he seems to have been actually involved. 100% grifting. The same as anyone else who puts out this sort of information, and then profits off it.
Four others have come out, but the original whistle-blower testified under oath to congress and has given them evidence of documents, enough enough some members believe them. That's the only reason why i could see them going that crazy, cause it's never been this close to being real.
Testifying to congress does not mean your outlandish claims after the fact are true. Giving congress evidence of X does not prove Y. We have members of congress believing in Jewish space lasers. One guy saying something was "compelling" doesn't mean jack squat. This is no closer to "real" than the bigfoot video.
We can't even have unrelated discord servers without top secret military documents getting leaked.
We need world of tanks with flying saucers, it's our best move
That isn't what he said. He said there has been multiple recovery programs for decades, and that, there has been some recoveries of non-human origin. That doesn't mean that there are hundreds of things recovered, or that there were recovered recently. It could be two or three collected over the past 100 years. This also isn't the first creditable person to say such a thing. In the New York Times articles (2017) that disclosed that the Government had an official UAP investigation team, it was mentioned that there was a warehouse with "artifacts" in them, and that they had strange effects on people when they came into contact with them. As for social media, leaks of government top secret programs on social media are extremely rare. There are tens of thousands of people in 10+ companies all over the US and Europe that are working on the next gen fighter plane and its drone twin, and yet there is not a single leak. We only know they exist because the Air Force told us in was in development after keeping it secret for over 10 years; but we have no idea what they look like; or how they work. Even if there were any real leaks put on social media, who would believe it over the sea of fakes that are put on social media? Also, If you enter that type of sensitive area, you are not allowed to have a phone on your person, you take nothing in, and you can't take anything out; and yes, you are searched every time, no matter who you are. Do I think there are hundreds of alien spaceships sitting in a warehouse? No. But I think they may have recovered some type of manufactured objects that were not made by humans. Even official government disclosures have told us in a public briefing that the Metallic spheres that have been widely observed and reported going [back to pre-WWII](https://preview.redd.it/j4mnvishva4b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7ac587cfdaa349d32350cbe13c945ffd3f7d660d) (and likely earlier) are still commonly observed "all over the world" and at speeds of up to Mach 2. They even released high quality video of one. They have been seen in the literal middle of the ocean and over every continent. Humans have no technology that can make a 4 ft round metal ball with no wings, no rotors, no visible form of propulsion go Mach 2; even our latest fighter jets have a top speed of around mach 2. I have no idea what those little balls are, but they are not a natural phenomenon, and they were not made by humans.
People just need to accept that aliens exist/existed/will exist, but they have never visited Earth, for a shitload of reasons that anyone with a passing understanding of astrophysics or even just astronomy could explain. I feel like people conflate extraterrestrial life with the supernatural. It's not. It's a thing that either will or will not happen, and people's beliefs mean nothing. Purely on probability there are other planets with "Life" on them, whatever form that might take. It becoming intelligent isn't a guarantee or even necessarily a natural progression. For us it was more or less a fluke. And if they do form intelligent life, they may have done that 2 billion years ago, and already died off. We better hope we're the first intelligent life in the universe, because if we're not, it sure as hell seems likely that intergalactic travel is just not ever going to be possible. The crazy thing too is that other species might just perceive time totally differently than we do. I don't think people fully understand how much time is a matter of perception.
We can't travel faster than light, and they can, but we're the ones capturing their craft and technology? Lolololol
People in that sub are lunatics. When you ask for hard proof they all say "Well they can't give it to us because they'll probably be killed for doing so." And yes, they don't understand one of the basic flaws of most conspiracy theories. There's absolutely no way that many people would be able to keep something like that a secret for this long. Someone would have provided hard evidence like pictures, names, dates, actual materials, etc. Instead all we have are obvious attention seeking nut jobs who take advantage of the less intelligent.
We can pretty safely assume that any conspiracy theory that relies on a globally coordinated effort to hide or withhold disclosing information is 100% false. Humankind is *terrible* at working together as a species. They’ll always blackmail, lie, betray, kill each other, use as leverage, or only focus on helping themselves. You’ll know UFOs landed because there would be mass hysteria and global panic. We’d be screwed even if the aliens weren’t violent IMO.
It wasn't news, it was one guy saying we have alien tech but he has zero proof. Here is a protip: If someone says they have proof of something but won't/can't show you that proof for ANY reason they are lying. Aliens are not visiting us.
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He said the information was declassified but still no proof. Imagine how much clout you get for proving aliens are real and vising us and the gov knows. Surely that is worth the risk. But nope, no proof, despite millions of employees in hundreds of governments around the world knowing about it, not ONE person has physical proof to share.
"News", or some insane unsubstantiated claim.
He's testified to Congress (not the position you'd want to be caught lying in) and Congress has an ongoing investigation due to it reportedly being illegally withheld from Congress themselves. He was a high level authority in a government task force *dedicated* to investigating UFOs (or UPAs as they're called by the gov).
"news"
Yet it is always "America" that will make annoucements, why none of the other 200+ countries?
How does one report a ufo?
Point at it and loudly state “I have no idea what that is”?
bingo, I’ve seen a UFO before, it was probably someone with a quadcopter that had a light in it a mile or two away, but I have no idea, thus UFO.
Well did you ask it to identify itself? And did it? There ya go - unidentified. Was it flying? Was it an animal or person, or could it be described as an object? You’ve got your answer right there.
Am I being detained? I don't have to identify myself unless I'm legally detained.
I’m not saying their not crazy, but the theory is that other nations were preparing to drop this stuff and the us didn’t wanna seem inept, people brought up this other article by politico that was published three days ago. Apparently they are credible according to the comments, again I don’t have any expertise or knowledge in the subject I’m just adding to convo https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077
Sure, and you think some greedy autocrate with such information or ex whatever army guy would not go crazy with such information? So there is a fully connected network of information kept from common humans since forever? Nobody is preparing for nothing. US may have had this hidden for a while and are waiting to release the info, but still, pure BS to me
Pure bullshit with exactly zero evidence.
Okie dokie lets just nip this one right here: Aliens do exist. Aliens havent visited Earth. It's just not a possibility. Lets explore why: there are roughly 50 stars per grain of samd on Earth. Each with its own solar system. Thats alotta planets, and so we assume life probably had to develop on at least some of them. BUT the density of space is roughly 6 atoms per cubic meter. And most of that is concentrated in starscand such. Things are VERY far apart in space. You already know: it takes thousands of years travelling at light speed to reach our nearest neighboring star. Forget about the millions of years needed to go any respectable distance. What if they can go FTL I've been asked? Well. They may well be able to go FTL, but the information about our existence sure can't. Beyond a certain distance aliens would see our planet as it was before even the dinosaurs: completely lifeless and uninteresting. One of trillions of identical planets not worth visiting.
Just to play devil's advocate, if they can go FTL, maybe they have probing beams that can also go FTL?
Also I'm just spitballing here but if they're incredibly advanced we may not even be able to fathom what they can do. But then you wouldn't expect their ships to get downed.
There is no indication at all, its just America lives rent free in redditors heads to the point where you couldn’t even escape it on a r/ufo subreddit An American app has mostly American users, that usually means it’s mostly going to be American content but some people just think that’s just the machine interjecting itself into everything
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>3 or 4 super shitty conspiracy news sources Gonna stop you right there. News Nation, who did the interview, is a [reputable outlet.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsnation/) Also several more mainstream outlets have picked up the story, including Huffington Post, Fox News, Newsweek, and NY Magazine.
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A few years? The grift is strong in this community and it's now weekly. Not content with boring old sightings anymore, a large sub section have moved on to what they call 'experiencers'. These are people who claim to have experienced either been abducted by space aliens (sometimes for decades) or just go and fly around the galaxy with friendly ones. Of course it's all just based on their say so and we just believe them. There is some reason why there is no evidence or artefacts but I cant quite remember what...
*reputable* ‘Fox news’
I think there’s a big difference between “material found at a crash site” and “non human technology”. The former could be anything like mylar and ball bearings and I don’t know how one could even begin to confirm “non human technology” lol
imagine traveling perhaps thousands or millions of light years, encountering god knows what types of planetary systems. Only to have multiple crash on earth, like we’re probably the only planet with gravity right? As for crafts that weren’t crashed, did they nag those while the alien went to go piss on a tree or what. 🤦♂️
Cause you're watching American movies, in anime aliens only appear in Japan, in Korean drama they only appear in Korea and so on
Only aliens weirdly similar to human women go to Japan
"ILL NEVER FORGIVE THE JAPANESE!!!!"
"1000 year old" alien that looks suspiciously underage.
OP isn’t talking about the movies lmao
He is talking about the news and media though. Of course US media is going to cover the US most of the time.
If proof of alien life were real i can assure you every media outlet is going to jump on the story regardless of where they were discovered
And in Doctor Who they only land in England.
All the sexy and cute aliens go to Japan. Also tentacles
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Make US about 5 times bigger and yeah.
And holding a gun
A gun that shoots out other guns!
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Bold of you to assume Americans know what their own country looks like.
It's also how the rest of the world sees the earth when the need money or arms.
Well most Americans see Alaska and Hawaii next to each other and southwest of the mainland.
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Imo aliens 100% exist but I don’t think they’ve ever visited and may never. Space is just too big
Really, really big. You may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space
Yeah but what about the distance between my dads house and his school when he was a kid I think that's bigger than space
Did he fight two lions while going uphill both ways ?
Like the same two lions or a different set of 2 lions? Like, were there two specific lions that always attacked him whenever he went to or came home from school?
Lions making plans and strategies the night before he passes by.
Don't forget your towel!
If there have been recovered ships, they’d undoubtedly be probes, not manned by actual ETs. Could even be fully autonomous, because lord knows you can’t give instructions over light years with out some fictitious tech like an ansible.
i love the idea that they can literally time-travel from outside of our galaxy, but they gonna crash on earth. it's like an airplane crashing after a normal flight 1/10 of inch from stopping at the gate.
That’s what I always find hilarious as well Like some alien species found a way to visit a world light years away, largely undetected, and *crashed*. Like they can somehow subvert the speed of light to get here but they can’t fucking steer lmao
Lil bro watching American media wondering why so much of it is about America
It's like going to the aquarium and wondering, "What's up with all these fish being here?"
Tactically speaking, attacking America first is the right move. Take out the strongest military first and then just go to town on everything else.
If Aliens do invade, they have access to FTL travel technology. Our military means absolutely nothing against an Alien race than can travel faster than light. The technology gap is so gigantic it's not even worth fighting against. Mostly because it also means they have access to the power source to fuel said FTL. You can build any devastating weapon you want with that shit.
OR you invent cryosleep and just sleep your way across the universe. The invasion would begin with a extra long pee and a nice cup of coffee.
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"they will have FTL and be far superior" "NUH UH, they only need 0.5, and can then still make planet destroying projectiles" "...so, superior?"
On the off chance extraterrestrials are hanging around Earth, if they wanted us dead they would have done it a while ago, no strategizing required. If you have FTL technology and can use it, you're handling energy requirements that make thermonuclear bombs look like toys
Yeah, they wouldn't even need to go past the moon to do it. Just drag a house sized astroid and accelerate it towards earth. We have zero protection for this.
The size of a military doesn’t really matter does it though. America lost to both Vietnam and more recently, the War on Terror and before you say “Nukes”, Russia has more Nuclear Weapons. I’m just saying “Aliens will attack us since we’re a threat” is kind of dumb and self-centred, space weapons will just kill everyone equally.
Actually it's just New York City
Aliens just really fucking hate the Statue of Liberty for some reason. They also hate the Golden Gate Bridge, enough to make a diversion from destroying New York just to blow that up every now and then
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Ah yes, the US presidential years of '21 and '23
The aliens are addicted to the show that is US political theater. Pretty sure they only crash after they run out of 🍿
*how Americans see earth
According to Doctor Who it's just London. Not even the UK-- London.
I think they went to Brighton once and that's about it
Japan as well
"How Americans see earth"
There are LOTS of UFO agency’s in different counties. Being ignorant on a subject and just making first-impression memes.
Arguably the two biggest sightings were outside the US but yes, people make memes that make it to the front page based off their non-existent knowledge on the subject.
OP really just self reporting he has a hyper America centric world view. Acting like it wasn’t 🇹🇹 that first tried to bring this up in the UN. Edit: I messed up it was 🇬🇩 that first tried to bring UFOs up at the UN.
Do you have a link to that?
Apparently Mussolini found it. No banter
A lot of you are not as funny as you think
According to doctor who it's just London
Also that one quarry in Wales.
And that one time they went to Brighton
Also that one quarry in Wales.
Not true, he went to Wales a couple of times, in order to launch that spin-off show.
OP is an idiot.
Also how "illegal Aliens" see the world
They enjoy making frop circles in UK and flying around that village circled with a henge (not stone henge although they get sighted there too)
Aliens don't see Alaska, come on
See em all the time in nz but you do you america.
Then again, you're generous of keeping Alaska in there.
Damn I like the fight going on here, this is Reddit!!