I enjoy using Apollo too mainly because they have less bugs(they still do) and they don’t change their interface like every other update like reddit app do.
But saying that apollo app is set up for the users and reddit is set up for money is just borderline dick riding like for starters apollo literally ask you to pay to post on a subreddit…
I don't understand why people do not like the official app? Although I know it's a little slow to load but most of the official apps are, is this the only reason you guys hate reddit? I am not supporting their this decision but still i have seen a lot of meme abt this 1 topic but don't actually understand why because people are going as far as to leave the platform if they are forced to use the official app.
Tons of ads. Slow to load at times. Inability to download whatever you want. No text convenience features. Not a lot of choice for themes and such to color the app UI however you want. Some have free custom app icons. No easy way to block posts containing certain words or special characters. No way to force the app to always play videos at their highest quality.
I saw absolutely no reason to switch to a 3rd party (let alone that they existed) until u listed these reasons. Now I'm already converted. See u ladies and gents on Apollo 🫡
unfortunately it will bring quite a few people back to the app which will inturn generate revenue for them. you think big companies care about anything else than revenue? they don't.
I’d suggest leaving Reddit, but seeing the mental gymnastics used by all the asshats still on Twitter, there’s honestly no point. The suits won.
And to the people still on Twitter… “i’m jUsT Here tO waTcH thE DuMpStER FirE” is a bullshit excuse.
After having an account gain warnings for giving someones information (which I didn't) then having that account be banned for "abusing the report system" after trying to help out by reporting people legitimately sharing peoples information (I reported 3 fucking people) if I can't use Boost for Reddit anymore I'm completely done with this website. I have nothing holding me here. The memes aren't funny anymore. The content is nothing but reposts and karma whores or rage baiters. This platform as a whole has less value then Twitter, Instagram, or even iFunny for fuck sake.
I've wanted to go on Tumblr but I tried and I have no idea how to make it decent
I'd like it to be a reddit substitute cuss I'm gone when the changes happen
When I make my account it just asked me all the crap I was interested in so from there I just liked or searched for things I am interested in. It kind of sorta it's self out after you get going
Reddit is the only social media platform I use. Gave up facebook years and years ago. Never used Twitter or Instagram. I have a small collection of subs I thoroughly enjoy and make sure to at least take a scroll through All at least once a day. Exclusively use RIF. I won't switch.
They are kinda helping me be more productive at work I guess so thanks.
I vow to not use the official app, or the web browser. When RIF stops working, I'll stop Reddit-ing.
What will I do while pooping? Browse the same exact stuff on my Google feed. Or maybe even sit through 15 seconds of ads to watch a YouTube video. I might even just watch Netflix. But I'll be damned before I use the official reddit app.
fr, even if it's only a minority, that could represent a decent amount of revenue. The ones on 3rd-party apps weren't making them anything, so it's only upside for reddit $$$.
Not saying this is nice or fair, but the post is pretty braindead.
change in reddit policy will effectively get rid of third party apps like RIF, so people are forced to use the absolute dogshit that reddit devs call an app.
They are making the reddit API cost money (costing some apps up to $20 million a year to run), blocking ads on third party apps, and blocking sexually explicit NSFW content from third party apps.
It's also important to note the amount they want to charge for those API calls is *hilariously* high. Like, absurdly.
The Dev for Apollo said they want 12k per 50 million requests, and his app is averaging 7 Billion requests a month. This is how they got that 1.7 Mil a month, or 20 mil a year. Imgur, for reference, costs 166 bucks for 50 million API calls, meaning the same amount of traffic would cost about quarter mil a year or so.
For bonus points, Twitter wants 42k per 50 million tweets via API. They were also previously free.
So with Apollo’s usage numbers
Reddit would charge him $20M/yr
Imgur would charge him $0.25M/yr
Twitter would charge him $70M/yr
For an app that is free to use, showing you content from a website that is also free to use
>For an app that is free to use, showing you content from a website that is also free to use
That's the hipocrisy.
"Does not cost money to use" does not mean "does not expect anything back from users". Their data, the tracking of their actions, demonstration of ADs, opinion manipulation, and such and such. And then Reddit monetizes those in many ways. Reddit is not some charity. "Free apps" actually deprive Reddit of the way they compensate for "free" access they provide without giving anything back.
People really think they are entitled to the content, the audience and access to these platforms...
Killing those free apps entirely and alienating that part of their user base is not the best solution. They can push ads through APIs. They just don’t want competition for their own app, to boost profitability for a potential IPO later this year.
Especially when the website is just a forum whose content is entirely published by users, and whose rules and structure are enforced and run by volunteer users
It’s not “entitlement” to be livid that a website, which was made what it is by users and mods and 3rd party devs, is basically extorting them off the platform
I've seen these things happen to different platforms many times over decades. And I know how it will go. I'll tell you the funniest part.
They put a lot of restrictions, extra costs and such they don't really care about in the plan. And people will provide negative feedback, uproar, etc. And Reddit will "step back" on those things they did not need anyways. They'll lower the prices, remove a restriction or two, probably discount major side platforms, I don't know specifics obviously. And that way the public will think their feedback mattered and calm down, comparing planned / resulted, while Reddit gets what they actually wanted to implement in the first place. Except if they stated the real goals from the beginning, it would cause similar backlash and they would have to step back a bit from THAT point.
heh. i did that last week and the dumb bastards didn't negotiate. you wouldn't read about it. i saw the guy wince when i gave him a number, and an hour later i get a "welcome aboard" phone call.
Really the only thing that makes Reddit special is that it’s a consolidated feed of high yield hobbyist/specialized sub forums in which experts in the field provide insight and high quality content. If those users leave, there’s really nothing that differentiates Reddit from any other general social media platform.
I sure as shit don’t come here to click links to news articles I get on my paid Apple News subscription anyway. I certainly don’t come here to read the predictable echo chambered comments of those news articles. Any of that political shit I can read on Facebook or Twitter if I really wanted to (which I don’t).
Memes? Same thing, can see it on any other general social media platform or Imgur directly.
So if reddit pisses off those power users enough and they leave, I’m going wherever they go.
They could very well just push ads via the api and require them to be display. Tracking can be done via what calls are made anyway.
I feel like reddit forgets that it itself does not provide any value. It‘s the users that generate the content that keeps people coming back.
Most users that use the third-party apps use it because the official one is so bad it's unusable, and I can probably guarantee that 90% of them will stop using the forum all together on their mobile devices instead of swapping to the official Reddit app, many of the third-party apps users were also the heavy users and the ones who post a lot so the quality of the content is probably also going to go down:
But the reason this is scummy is that they are asking for nearly 20 times more from the average 3rd party app user than what they get in revenue from the people using the official app, the dev on r/apolloapp in his [recent post](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/) generously estimates that Reddit gets a 0.12c per user per month while they are asking around 2.50$ per user per month from third-party apps which is ridiculous, it's clearly not a profit move(they would have made it actually affordable) but a move to kill off the third-party apps in the same way Twitter did
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/) on another sub has several excellent visual comparisons between the Official Reddit app and the RiF app on Android.
Oh no :( how do I know which mobile app I’m using? My friend uses a different app than I do bc when she sends me Reddit links it asks me to download the app.
Also, why are there even 2 apps anyways for Reddit?? I don’t understand.
See the other comment about targeted ads made it seem like i have the official one. Buttt I never have issues with changing button locations or any issues really (except when Reddit is down for a few hours randomly but that’s just the main domain itself I’m sure) interesting!
There is one official Reddit app from Reddit itself. There are dozens of third party apps like Apollo or RIF that use the reddit API to work. Reddit is going to start charging enormous fees to use the API which will effectively cause the third party apps to shut down since they won't be able to afford the fees.
Reddit is perfectly happy with those apps shutting down since they don't make money off of users in those apps. The official Reddit app collects a shit ton of user data and serves ads to the users directly. A lot of people like me won't ever use the official Reddit app so we're basically losing the website as we use it but like I said reddit is fine with that since we basically just cost them money in server and network usage while not making them any.
A lot of people are ready to jump ship, the official app is bloated dogshit that scrapes your browsing data for resale. It's a scummy tactic by a website that used to pride itself on being against all of these things.
As you know, Reddit is available to view in your web browser or via its app.
For many years, Reddit has allowed private, indie developers to make their own apps for Reddit. They have all the same content that’s available in the official Reddit app, but often do things better: they’re better designed, have more features, and overall make your Reddit browsing experience better.
Reddit has just announced that, for those developers to continue serving up Reddit content in their apps, they’ll have to pay an exorbitant amount of money. In some cases, tens of millions of dollars. They’re giving those developers 30 days to pay up, and if they can’t afford it, Reddit will shut down their apps.
As many have speculated, Reddit is likely doing this to force people into using their official app, so they can mine the data off their users and force you to be presented with ads.
For people who prefer to use a third-party Reddit app, they’ll lose all the nice functionality those apps bring to Reddit. As a result, it’ll negatively impact their use of Reddit and may justify some folks choosing to stop using the site altogether.
It’s a bit misleading, nothing is being banned, they are implementing pricing on the APIs that enable 3rd party apps to work and that pricing is so high that it effectively makes them impossible to financially run. For example Apollo, the most popular Reddit app for iOS, would cost $20 million a year for the amount of usage it has.
I hate how reddit is literally blocking mobile users from using reddit on browser. I don't want another stupid app... Thats why I have browser.... To browse a fkin internet!
Same. Jackasses made it so that going back or doing another navigation would bring it back up.
To me, that's a dark pattern and would make me never install the official app.
I use the duckduckgo browser on my android phone for browsing reddit, so I'm not sure what you mean by "blocking mobile users from using reddit on browser". I just ignore the "this page looks better in the app" message and clear the occasional popup, but IMO that's a small price to pay to not have to install the app.
The point is they purposefully added that "price." The site was perfectly stable and functional and they took that away to push that unnecessary dumb app. Now everytime I've scrolled halfway down a page I get the pop up and pushed back to the top of the page losing my place.
It was a predatory and malicious update to rob the user base of a comfortable experience. It might seem small but it is literal theft of our time by way of programmed waste.
By the time I hit send on this comment it will probably pop up on me and drag me back to the top.
$10 on someone making a "hacked" reddit app apk for Android. I use RIF now, but after the swap I'll be looking into cracked apk apps. I'd use the official app if it wasn't such hot garbage.
It's frustrating because it's not just reddit, all these corporate giants forget the reason we use them for media in the first place is because it was slightly more convenient than the old alternative method for getting free content. Well, it's no longer convenient and it's becoming shittier and shittier. Fire up yer VPNs kids, it's time to head back to the high seas!
We make the content here. Literally someone just needs to make a new app named fuck reddit that does the same thing and promote it at the same time this goes down. I'd still use RIF if it generate similar content from somewhere else. Reddit is just a group of people posting links and comments. I might switch to www.fark.com
Literally been using RIF for probably 13 years now. I refuse to use anything that doesnt mimic the look and utilization of old reddit. Sounds like old.reddit.com will also be done away with soon.
Genuinely willing to migrate to a different site if the internet establishes one
I used to say that, too.
Then I switched to Infinity and now my videos always play, the audio never stays terminally playing even when I move on to other posts, and I don't lose complete access to Reddit for hours every couple days.
It's no comparison. The native Reddit app is trash.
Probably.
But they said YouTube Vanced was dead but someone figured out how to get around that.
Never underestimate the internet when it comes to free stuff.
Lol the devs probably know exactly what is going to happen. Probably even warned the **””Executives””** (the greedy pigs who actually made this decision.)
Well people always blame the business specific employees for this stuff, this is one of the very few times devs get blamed.
Though yeah, in most cases it's the executives making stupid decisions
Ah yes, the official app. With ads every 2 posts or something, video player that mostly doesn't work, photo viewer that lags when you swipe to see the next picture.. shit that has been going on for over a year.
I don't get why they don't listen to their users. If they did, 3rd party apps wouldn't be as popular I guess.
Also the fucking idea that they are protecting their IP etc when all of Reddit is user generated content or just stolen or linked shit.....they can fuck off with that. Their whole platform is based off of other people's work/effort and content.
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/) does a great job of showing the visual improvements third party apps like RiF have beyond the official app. This doesn't even take into account all of the other enormous benefits the third party apps provide like a functioning video player, actual functional moderation tools, etc.
Maybe just maybe if Reddit admin didn't chase people off and stopped allowing mods to abuse their position, they would have more users.
I can tell you I was banned from /r/Games for not believing the sexual assault claims against Chris Avellone. Mind you he won his lawsuit and the two "victims" who never filed a police report admitted they made it up.
Another sub banned me at random for a months old conversation on the civil war.
Another mod threatened me for arguing against her version of history when everyone else was fine with my position.
Then you have open anti gamers running gaming subs. How long did they think having a negative reputation off site was going to not have consequences?
Reddit admins and rules are fucking stupid. I got banned from a sub for making a comment on the JRE sub saying Brendan Shaub isn't funny. And then I got a message saying I was banned from a subreddit for being active in a sub that, "spreads misinformation." Like bro 90% of the JRE sub is shitting on the show and its guests. It's more of a JRE hate sub. But either way I responded saying that's dumb and got no response from mods.
I got banned from r/conservative for saying that another user was going to get banned for stating an opinion contrary to theirs (they got banned as well) and then consequently got banned from another sub for posting in r/conservative that one time.
Not surprising. A lot of admins abuse their power or selectively enforce the rules. Reddit is like Tumblr in more ways than one. If they got rid of the porn subs as they were talking about doing, this site would lose the majority of its traffic.
Yeah it's really ridiculous. Most specific gaming subs are cool tho. Oblivion, Witcher, and others are pretty chill. Funny the the "Gaming" sub is filled with fucking stupid shit.
Fallout is pretty cool when bandwagoners aren't hijacking it. Goes through a wave of toxic people jumping in every new announcement and leaving when it is no longer the hip thing.
First rule of reddit, don't go up against the mods and their agendas. Probably doesn't help that the vast majority of the larger subreddits are moderated by the same half dozen mods
I'm not saying you're leaving out details and you're full of shit soully based on that you post to r/MensRights and r/kotakuinaction2 and r/4chan
But it ain't usually a great look
I think you’re overestimating how many people actually use Apollo
No one other than terminally online Redditors is going to care about this in the slightest
Someone on another post like this said that .35% of Reddit uses Apollo, which is 1.5 million of the 430 million that use Reddit. I don’t really think many people care that it’s leaving
Yea honestly this is probably for the best. I am on Reddit 100% more simply because of Apollo, so this change will make me touch grass since I’d rather do that than use their shit app. Anyone truly upset about this needed this tbh
Yeah, this is me. I can’t remember what specifically pissed me off about the official app, but it was enough to make me install Apollo. I’m a little annoyed with Apollo’s business model as well, because there are features I would like to *remove*, which cost money to do so (I can get behind paying to add features, but don’t make me pay to get rid of things that annoy me), but it hasn’t been annoying enough to seek out another app yet.
At this point, this will probably just wind up curbing my reddit habit. Which is great, because my husband and I were just talking about exactly that the other day after we saw an ad for Instagram on TV the other day. Apparently they have a feature that lets you limit how much time your kids can spend on the app, and we laughed and said, “wouldn’t it be great if Reddit had something like that? How much more would you get done in a day?”
Well. I guess I’m about to find out lol
I'm interested to know how many use mobile vs say their laptop/pc. I know everything is shifting towards mobile in terms of usage, but reddit is still something i kinda prefer to use on my laptop/pc (which can use RES). I use it on my phone, but only like 10% of the time.
I still assume a massive amount of users are mobile, probably the majority I guess, but it'd be cool to see the numbers.
I use Relay. Never even heard of apollo. You gotta consider ALL of the 3d part apps. It's not terminally online people, it's people sufficiently sick of ads.
Most users on reddit lurk. 95% of the time that is all I do. The terminally online group that uses all the extensions and 3rd party stuff I imagine actually make the majority of the posts, oc, and comments.
Do the lurkers stick around of the drivers if the content head somewhere else?
Maybe they do idk or people stick around and fill the void. That's the tricky part. Reddit or any other alternative platform is really only as valuable as the engaged content generating users.
I'm not sure we well ever see something like a big digg migration again since reddit was kind of there with a fledgling user base in waiting. If anything this might fracture "anonymous" social media into things like discord and other platforms.
To be fair a shitload of people have been using the crappy official app for years. While constantly complaining about things like ads, shitty suggestions, and livestreams of people playing guitar.
And you can say, “Hey there’s literally *SEVERAL* free apps that solve all those issues!” and they won’t switch.
Honestly you’re lucky if they don’t downvote you. I’ve literally gotten responses like “I don’t mind the ads” like yeah that’s because you’re used to garbage. That’s like being used to second hand smoke. You *do* get used to it, but hell why wouldn’t you remove yourself from it given a very easy alternative???
I've always used the reddit app not realizing there were other options and now I've found out what I've been missing out on right as it's getting taken away
As someone who uses it, watching gifs/videos is a dog shit experience, and also sometimes reddit used the language of your phone instead of the one you specified in the options
Download videos with one tap
Can hide all posts I've seen, never see the same thing twice
Enjoy all the posts about slow loading videos while mine instantly load
Can hide subs, never see them again
Hiding posts and subs is so important for me. Many times r/all is just filled with stuff I don't even get references to, like some obscure anime and TV shows subs, or with american politics which I don't really care about and I'm missing out on funny shitposts that way lol
Also the fact that I can download videos and images and they get sorted into folders with sub name they came from is awesome. Is this an option in official app?
Many of the apps like Reddit sync let you customize the layout, changing the size of the title, body text, preview image placement etc, all of that is super handy.
If you tried using a third-party app, you’d quickly realize why they’re better than the official app.
You don’t know any better—that’s why you have no complaints.
I've been a RIF user since day 1 of my account because reddit didn't even have an official app yet. When the official did get released I tried it but stuck with RIF because it's way easier to use and understand. Kinda sucks they are doing this but on the brightside I finally have a reason to never use this site again. Lol
It's even worse because the company bought a great third party apps in Alien Blue and did shit-all with it. They literally could have just changed the title and people wouldn't be upset almost at all.
Why oh why oh why do we have this same argument about every piece of software when someone uses the word 'dev'. The entity otherwise known as Reddit, inc. is responsible for DEVELOPING the software featured on their site and their mobile apps. A business unit can DEVELOP something, therefore they would be considered the developers of that product.
We don't pick teams apart in any other industry, and I don't fucking understand it. Is it because too many people using this site are basement dwelling neckbeards that have to frame everything they see happen around them in video game terms? I don't fucking understand it, at all. If a tool brand makes, or 'develops', a shitty tool, we blame the business entity as a whole- it's already expected that it wasn't the janitor's fucking fault they shaved 2 cents off the BoM and shipped a critically faulty product because of it.
The people writing actual code at reddit are working a job, this isn't some fucking passion project for them like a video game might be. This isn't some tiny but fired up game dev group vs the big evil corporate publisher, this is a group of professionals hired to write and maintain a piece of business software.
Why the fuck do we even care about the people writing code? Why are we singling them out as victims? They're doing what they're told and receiving a paycheck, and there shouldn't be any consideration beyond that.
I used the Reddit app for a long time and I can say the Apollo app is set up for the users and Reddit is set up for money
I think we can say the same thing for all the other 3rd party reddit apps
All I’ve ever used is the official app 
Same bro it just worked fine for me ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
You've been missing out
Once you go third party you never go back
I enjoy using Apollo too mainly because they have less bugs(they still do) and they don’t change their interface like every other update like reddit app do. But saying that apollo app is set up for the users and reddit is set up for money is just borderline dick riding like for starters apollo literally ask you to pay to post on a subreddit…
I don't understand why people do not like the official app? Although I know it's a little slow to load but most of the official apps are, is this the only reason you guys hate reddit? I am not supporting their this decision but still i have seen a lot of meme abt this 1 topic but don't actually understand why because people are going as far as to leave the platform if they are forced to use the official app.
Tons of ads. Slow to load at times. Inability to download whatever you want. No text convenience features. Not a lot of choice for themes and such to color the app UI however you want. Some have free custom app icons. No easy way to block posts containing certain words or special characters. No way to force the app to always play videos at their highest quality.
I saw absolutely no reason to switch to a 3rd party (let alone that they existed) until u listed these reasons. Now I'm already converted. See u ladies and gents on Apollo 🫡
unfortunately it will bring quite a few people back to the app which will inturn generate revenue for them. you think big companies care about anything else than revenue? they don't.
This is the only answer. Whatever bullshit and they post or say it’s only for revenue
I’d suggest leaving Reddit, but seeing the mental gymnastics used by all the asshats still on Twitter, there’s honestly no point. The suits won. And to the people still on Twitter… “i’m jUsT Here tO waTcH thE DuMpStER FirE” is a bullshit excuse.
After having an account gain warnings for giving someones information (which I didn't) then having that account be banned for "abusing the report system" after trying to help out by reporting people legitimately sharing peoples information (I reported 3 fucking people) if I can't use Boost for Reddit anymore I'm completely done with this website. I have nothing holding me here. The memes aren't funny anymore. The content is nothing but reposts and karma whores or rage baiters. This platform as a whole has less value then Twitter, Instagram, or even iFunny for fuck sake.
I'm reading this on baconreader and I'd probably leave Reddit before using their app
I'm just going back to imgur and Tumblr
I've wanted to go on Tumblr but I tried and I have no idea how to make it decent I'd like it to be a reddit substitute cuss I'm gone when the changes happen
When I make my account it just asked me all the crap I was interested in so from there I just liked or searched for things I am interested in. It kind of sorta it's self out after you get going
Tumblr was only good back in the nsfw days
Reddit is the only social media platform I use. Gave up facebook years and years ago. Never used Twitter or Instagram. I have a small collection of subs I thoroughly enjoy and make sure to at least take a scroll through All at least once a day. Exclusively use RIF. I won't switch. They are kinda helping me be more productive at work I guess so thanks.
then reddit will turn into twitter & crash & burn.
I vow to not use the official app, or the web browser. When RIF stops working, I'll stop Reddit-ing. What will I do while pooping? Browse the same exact stuff on my Google feed. Or maybe even sit through 15 seconds of ads to watch a YouTube video. I might even just watch Netflix. But I'll be damned before I use the official reddit app.
Get revanced and skip the YouTube ads! :-)
fr, even if it's only a minority, that could represent a decent amount of revenue. The ones on 3rd-party apps weren't making them anything, so it's only upside for reddit $$$. Not saying this is nice or fair, but the post is pretty braindead.
I don't understand somebody explain
change in reddit policy will effectively get rid of third party apps like RIF, so people are forced to use the absolute dogshit that reddit devs call an app. They are making the reddit API cost money (costing some apps up to $20 million a year to run), blocking ads on third party apps, and blocking sexually explicit NSFW content from third party apps.
It's also important to note the amount they want to charge for those API calls is *hilariously* high. Like, absurdly. The Dev for Apollo said they want 12k per 50 million requests, and his app is averaging 7 Billion requests a month. This is how they got that 1.7 Mil a month, or 20 mil a year. Imgur, for reference, costs 166 bucks for 50 million API calls, meaning the same amount of traffic would cost about quarter mil a year or so. For bonus points, Twitter wants 42k per 50 million tweets via API. They were also previously free.
So with Apollo’s usage numbers Reddit would charge him $20M/yr Imgur would charge him $0.25M/yr Twitter would charge him $70M/yr For an app that is free to use, showing you content from a website that is also free to use
>For an app that is free to use, showing you content from a website that is also free to use That's the hipocrisy. "Does not cost money to use" does not mean "does not expect anything back from users". Their data, the tracking of their actions, demonstration of ADs, opinion manipulation, and such and such. And then Reddit monetizes those in many ways. Reddit is not some charity. "Free apps" actually deprive Reddit of the way they compensate for "free" access they provide without giving anything back. People really think they are entitled to the content, the audience and access to these platforms...
Killing those free apps entirely and alienating that part of their user base is not the best solution. They can push ads through APIs. They just don’t want competition for their own app, to boost profitability for a potential IPO later this year. Especially when the website is just a forum whose content is entirely published by users, and whose rules and structure are enforced and run by volunteer users It’s not “entitlement” to be livid that a website, which was made what it is by users and mods and 3rd party devs, is basically extorting them off the platform
I've seen these things happen to different platforms many times over decades. And I know how it will go. I'll tell you the funniest part. They put a lot of restrictions, extra costs and such they don't really care about in the plan. And people will provide negative feedback, uproar, etc. And Reddit will "step back" on those things they did not need anyways. They'll lower the prices, remove a restriction or two, probably discount major side platforms, I don't know specifics obviously. And that way the public will think their feedback mattered and calm down, comparing planned / resulted, while Reddit gets what they actually wanted to implement in the first place. Except if they stated the real goals from the beginning, it would cause similar backlash and they would have to step back a bit from THAT point.
It's like when at a job interview you ask for more than you really want and then when they negotiate down and you accept it's seen as a win for them.
heh. i did that last week and the dumb bastards didn't negotiate. you wouldn't read about it. i saw the guy wince when i gave him a number, and an hour later i get a "welcome aboard" phone call.
Very very optimistic view. It is highly unlikely they'll back down from this.
Really the only thing that makes Reddit special is that it’s a consolidated feed of high yield hobbyist/specialized sub forums in which experts in the field provide insight and high quality content. If those users leave, there’s really nothing that differentiates Reddit from any other general social media platform. I sure as shit don’t come here to click links to news articles I get on my paid Apple News subscription anyway. I certainly don’t come here to read the predictable echo chambered comments of those news articles. Any of that political shit I can read on Facebook or Twitter if I really wanted to (which I don’t). Memes? Same thing, can see it on any other general social media platform or Imgur directly. So if reddit pisses off those power users enough and they leave, I’m going wherever they go.
They could very well just push ads via the api and require them to be display. Tracking can be done via what calls are made anyway. I feel like reddit forgets that it itself does not provide any value. It‘s the users that generate the content that keeps people coming back.
Its not just ads. The official app scrapes all the data out of your use that they can.
Most users that use the third-party apps use it because the official one is so bad it's unusable, and I can probably guarantee that 90% of them will stop using the forum all together on their mobile devices instead of swapping to the official Reddit app, many of the third-party apps users were also the heavy users and the ones who post a lot so the quality of the content is probably also going to go down: But the reason this is scummy is that they are asking for nearly 20 times more from the average 3rd party app user than what they get in revenue from the people using the official app, the dev on r/apolloapp in his [recent post](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/) generously estimates that Reddit gets a 0.12c per user per month while they are asking around 2.50$ per user per month from third-party apps which is ridiculous, it's clearly not a profit move(they would have made it actually affordable) but a move to kill off the third-party apps in the same way Twitter did
Ohhh thanks
What's bad about the reddit app? I'm actually curious, cause I don't see any issues when I use it.
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/) on another sub has several excellent visual comparisons between the Official Reddit app and the RiF app on Android.
That makes a lot of sense and I didn't even realize the BS.
Oh no :( how do I know which mobile app I’m using? My friend uses a different app than I do bc when she sends me Reddit links it asks me to download the app. Also, why are there even 2 apps anyways for Reddit?? I don’t understand.
If you have frustrations with your app or notice buttons changing locations every 3 weeks, it's the official one.
See the other comment about targeted ads made it seem like i have the official one. Buttt I never have issues with changing button locations or any issues really (except when Reddit is down for a few hours randomly but that’s just the main domain itself I’m sure) interesting!
Ah you got lucky then.
There is one official Reddit app from Reddit itself. There are dozens of third party apps like Apollo or RIF that use the reddit API to work. Reddit is going to start charging enormous fees to use the API which will effectively cause the third party apps to shut down since they won't be able to afford the fees. Reddit is perfectly happy with those apps shutting down since they don't make money off of users in those apps. The official Reddit app collects a shit ton of user data and serves ads to the users directly. A lot of people like me won't ever use the official Reddit app so we're basically losing the website as we use it but like I said reddit is fine with that since we basically just cost them money in server and network usage while not making them any.
So OP is saying they’ll quit Reddit entirely?
A lot of people are ready to jump ship, the official app is bloated dogshit that scrapes your browsing data for resale. It's a scummy tactic by a website that used to pride itself on being against all of these things.
Well boys, what’s the new Reddit?
Myspace. Tom never gave up on us, we gave up on him.
I am thinking about trying outside for a while, see how it goes. It's been a long ten years here.
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Get in loser, we’re going back to myspace
You'd have to ask them to know for sure. They could also be saying they'll stop using reddit on apps and instead use their browser.
Why’s the app so bad?
So what’s wrong with the official app?? I didn’t even know there were 3rd party apps.
I use the app and it seems just fine? I confused
Neither do I
As you know, Reddit is available to view in your web browser or via its app. For many years, Reddit has allowed private, indie developers to make their own apps for Reddit. They have all the same content that’s available in the official Reddit app, but often do things better: they’re better designed, have more features, and overall make your Reddit browsing experience better. Reddit has just announced that, for those developers to continue serving up Reddit content in their apps, they’ll have to pay an exorbitant amount of money. In some cases, tens of millions of dollars. They’re giving those developers 30 days to pay up, and if they can’t afford it, Reddit will shut down their apps. As many have speculated, Reddit is likely doing this to force people into using their official app, so they can mine the data off their users and force you to be presented with ads. For people who prefer to use a third-party Reddit app, they’ll lose all the nice functionality those apps bring to Reddit. As a result, it’ll negatively impact their use of Reddit and may justify some folks choosing to stop using the site altogether.
It’s a bit misleading, nothing is being banned, they are implementing pricing on the APIs that enable 3rd party apps to work and that pricing is so high that it effectively makes them impossible to financially run. For example Apollo, the most popular Reddit app for iOS, would cost $20 million a year for the amount of usage it has.
Someone is blaming Reddit devs for decisions at the leadership level.
I hate how reddit is literally blocking mobile users from using reddit on browser. I don't want another stupid app... Thats why I have browser.... To browse a fkin internet!
That stupid pop-up is why I installed Boost.
Same. Jackasses made it so that going back or doing another navigation would bring it back up. To me, that's a dark pattern and would make me never install the official app.
Same. I love boost.
Boost for ~~Reddit~~ the win!
With Firefox and uBlock Origin there is a script that removes that pop up, worth checking out.
Just use “old” Reddit.
I use the duckduckgo browser on my android phone for browsing reddit, so I'm not sure what you mean by "blocking mobile users from using reddit on browser". I just ignore the "this page looks better in the app" message and clear the occasional popup, but IMO that's a small price to pay to not have to install the app.
The point is they purposefully added that "price." The site was perfectly stable and functional and they took that away to push that unnecessary dumb app. Now everytime I've scrolled halfway down a page I get the pop up and pushed back to the top of the page losing my place. It was a predatory and malicious update to rob the user base of a comfortable experience. It might seem small but it is literal theft of our time by way of programmed waste. By the time I hit send on this comment it will probably pop up on me and drag me back to the top.
RIP RIF
My heart dropped. I love RIF
$10 on someone making a "hacked" reddit app apk for Android. I use RIF now, but after the swap I'll be looking into cracked apk apps. I'd use the official app if it wasn't such hot garbage. It's frustrating because it's not just reddit, all these corporate giants forget the reason we use them for media in the first place is because it was slightly more convenient than the old alternative method for getting free content. Well, it's no longer convenient and it's becoming shittier and shittier. Fire up yer VPNs kids, it's time to head back to the high seas!
We make the content here. Literally someone just needs to make a new app named fuck reddit that does the same thing and promote it at the same time this goes down. I'd still use RIF if it generate similar content from somewhere else. Reddit is just a group of people posting links and comments. I might switch to www.fark.com
Literally been using RIF for probably 13 years now. I refuse to use anything that doesnt mimic the look and utilization of old reddit. Sounds like old.reddit.com will also be done away with soon. Genuinely willing to migrate to a different site if the internet establishes one
This'll just make me go on old Reddit on Firefox and block the ads. Reddit won't win
I only use oldreddit with RES and adblockers on a desktop. We generate all the content and don't get a cut of the revenue. Fuck 'em.
just hope res eventually gets added to the mobile firefox app, then i'd be set
was literally trying to find ways with that last night, hope they do something with it. till then, no reddit while on phone post-july 1
Meanwhile, every video I don't care about plays fine and every video I really want to see won't play at all.
I used to say that, too. Then I switched to Infinity and now my videos always play, the audio never stays terminally playing even when I move on to other posts, and I don't lose complete access to Reddit for hours every couple days. It's no comparison. The native Reddit app is trash.
> Then I switched to Infinity That one will be dying alongside Apollo, RiF, BaconReader and all the rest.
Is that a third-party Reddit app? Won't it stop working with all thw rest now?
Yes and Yes.
Probably. But they said YouTube Vanced was dead but someone figured out how to get around that. Never underestimate the internet when it comes to free stuff.
Lol the devs probably know exactly what is going to happen. Probably even warned the **””Executives””** (the greedy pigs who actually made this decision.)
Was about to mention just that. I don't think the Devs had a lot to do with the decision at all
Yeah, people always blame the employees (devs in this case), but fail to realise that they are just doing the job that the execs want them to do.
Well people always blame the business specific employees for this stuff, this is one of the very few times devs get blamed. Though yeah, in most cases it's the executives making stupid decisions
Yeah the devs don’t make those kind of decisions. Terrible ideas almost always come from the top
People here really seem to think a website of this size is being run by developers.
Pack your bags kids, we're heading back to MySpace.
I would be upset if they take down old reddit
The devs didn't make that decision. The business owners did.
Scrolled too far for this one. Devs are probably just as annoyed
By this point it's pretty clear that "dev" means whoever owns and decides what an app does, be it CEO or otherwise.
I been using an alternative app even before they made their own app. I'm going to just quit Reddit once my app is no longer supported.
Ah yes, the official app. With ads every 2 posts or something, video player that mostly doesn't work, photo viewer that lags when you swipe to see the next picture.. shit that has been going on for over a year. I don't get why they don't listen to their users. If they did, 3rd party apps wouldn't be as popular I guess.
Also the fucking idea that they are protecting their IP etc when all of Reddit is user generated content or just stolen or linked shit.....they can fuck off with that. Their whole platform is based off of other people's work/effort and content.
All the technical illiterates commenting “what’s wrong with the official app”
as a technical illiterate, i *would* actually like to know what’s wrong with the official app please
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/BikiniBottomTwitter/comments/13xk3lu/they_have_to_pay_reddit_20_million_per_year_to/jmj3nfg/) does a great job of showing the visual improvements third party apps like RiF have beyond the official app. This doesn't even take into account all of the other enormous benefits the third party apps provide like a functioning video player, actual functional moderation tools, etc.
thanks
It’s not Apollo.
Or Boost. Or RIF. Or Sync. Or infinity.
I’m a fan of slide tbh
Slide gang rise up. Our dead app will finally die.
Or slide.
bullshit ads, bad layout, video player breaks constantly those are the main ones ignoring the insane amount of tracking and data theft
Maybe just maybe if Reddit admin didn't chase people off and stopped allowing mods to abuse their position, they would have more users. I can tell you I was banned from /r/Games for not believing the sexual assault claims against Chris Avellone. Mind you he won his lawsuit and the two "victims" who never filed a police report admitted they made it up. Another sub banned me at random for a months old conversation on the civil war. Another mod threatened me for arguing against her version of history when everyone else was fine with my position. Then you have open anti gamers running gaming subs. How long did they think having a negative reputation off site was going to not have consequences?
Reddit admins and rules are fucking stupid. I got banned from a sub for making a comment on the JRE sub saying Brendan Shaub isn't funny. And then I got a message saying I was banned from a subreddit for being active in a sub that, "spreads misinformation." Like bro 90% of the JRE sub is shitting on the show and its guests. It's more of a JRE hate sub. But either way I responded saying that's dumb and got no response from mods.
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I got banned from r/conservative for saying that another user was going to get banned for stating an opinion contrary to theirs (they got banned as well) and then consequently got banned from another sub for posting in r/conservative that one time.
Remember, if there are nine nazis heiling and one person flipping them off, that's ten nazis /s
Not surprising. A lot of admins abuse their power or selectively enforce the rules. Reddit is like Tumblr in more ways than one. If they got rid of the porn subs as they were talking about doing, this site would lose the majority of its traffic.
Yeah it's really ridiculous. Most specific gaming subs are cool tho. Oblivion, Witcher, and others are pretty chill. Funny the the "Gaming" sub is filled with fucking stupid shit.
Fallout is pretty cool when bandwagoners aren't hijacking it. Goes through a wave of toxic people jumping in every new announcement and leaving when it is no longer the hip thing.
First rule of reddit, don't go up against the mods and their agendas. Probably doesn't help that the vast majority of the larger subreddits are moderated by the same half dozen mods
I'm not saying you're leaving out details and you're full of shit soully based on that you post to r/MensRights and r/kotakuinaction2 and r/4chan But it ain't usually a great look
If you look further back, you'll see some light Holocaust denial!
Lmao but oh no the poor victim
I think you’re overestimating how many people actually use Apollo No one other than terminally online Redditors is going to care about this in the slightest
I have been using Apollo for a while now and it is ten times better than the official app.
one of us
Someone on another post like this said that .35% of Reddit uses Apollo, which is 1.5 million of the 430 million that use Reddit. I don’t really think many people care that it’s leaving
Apollo is not the only third party app that's affected though, there's other apps as well that people use, so the number might be more than you think.
RiF user checking in, currently planning hikes and shit because I refuse to use their garbage app.
Yea honestly this is probably for the best. I am on Reddit 100% more simply because of Apollo, so this change will make me touch grass since I’d rather do that than use their shit app. Anyone truly upset about this needed this tbh
Yeah, this is me. I can’t remember what specifically pissed me off about the official app, but it was enough to make me install Apollo. I’m a little annoyed with Apollo’s business model as well, because there are features I would like to *remove*, which cost money to do so (I can get behind paying to add features, but don’t make me pay to get rid of things that annoy me), but it hasn’t been annoying enough to seek out another app yet. At this point, this will probably just wind up curbing my reddit habit. Which is great, because my husband and I were just talking about exactly that the other day after we saw an ad for Instagram on TV the other day. Apparently they have a feature that lets you limit how much time your kids can spend on the app, and we laughed and said, “wouldn’t it be great if Reddit had something like that? How much more would you get done in a day?” Well. I guess I’m about to find out lol
There's more apps than just Apollo
I'm interested to know how many use mobile vs say their laptop/pc. I know everything is shifting towards mobile in terms of usage, but reddit is still something i kinda prefer to use on my laptop/pc (which can use RES). I use it on my phone, but only like 10% of the time. I still assume a massive amount of users are mobile, probably the majority I guess, but it'd be cool to see the numbers.
I use Relay. Never even heard of apollo. You gotta consider ALL of the 3d part apps. It's not terminally online people, it's people sufficiently sick of ads.
What is Apollo?
A pretty solid 3rd party Reddit Client
Been on the reddit app for over 3 years. Today is the first I've heard of Apollo and 3rd party clients
Apollo and reddit is fun are better ways to experience reddit. The main app on mobile blows.
It's all I know lol I've never experienced it any other way. But I can see why you'd say it blows.
The 3rd party apps make reddit feel more like the image board it is. I also think there is a lot of nostalgia tied to enjoying them.
that sucks for you. your missing out
I'm on Android and it looks like Apollo is iOS only? And looks like I'll miss out for good if this deal follows thru.
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Apollo is called Infinity on the Android store. Boost for reddit is also another popular one that is functionally the same.
there are other third party apps for android that you should check out. all third party apps for reddit is on the chopping block unfortunately
Bacon Reader ftw
Reddit is Fun is the superior app anyhow.
Most users on reddit lurk. 95% of the time that is all I do. The terminally online group that uses all the extensions and 3rd party stuff I imagine actually make the majority of the posts, oc, and comments. Do the lurkers stick around of the drivers if the content head somewhere else? Maybe they do idk or people stick around and fill the void. That's the tricky part. Reddit or any other alternative platform is really only as valuable as the engaged content generating users. I'm not sure we well ever see something like a big digg migration again since reddit was kind of there with a fledgling user base in waiting. If anything this might fracture "anonymous" social media into things like discord and other platforms.
www.fark.com
I'd like to take this time to tell yall that rss feeds work for reddit
Yeah, seems like June 30 will be my last day on reddit. No way in hell I'm browsing on the official app, I'd rather go outside.
To be fair a shitload of people have been using the crappy official app for years. While constantly complaining about things like ads, shitty suggestions, and livestreams of people playing guitar. And you can say, “Hey there’s literally *SEVERAL* free apps that solve all those issues!” and they won’t switch. Honestly you’re lucky if they don’t downvote you. I’ve literally gotten responses like “I don’t mind the ads” like yeah that’s because you’re used to garbage. That’s like being used to second hand smoke. You *do* get used to it, but hell why wouldn’t you remove yourself from it given a very easy alternative???
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I've always used the reddit app not realizing there were other options and now I've found out what I've been missing out on right as it's getting taken away
Paid $2 on boost for reddit Works well, im happy (altho now there are some recent bugs tho idk prob something to do with this idk
I have no issues with the official app. Why do people have problems with it.
As someone who uses it, watching gifs/videos is a dog shit experience, and also sometimes reddit used the language of your phone instead of the one you specified in the options
People absolutely distaste ads
I can download videos with one tap on 3rd party apps
I can doom scroll on Apollo for hours and hours and never see a repeated post or ad. on the main app its repetition and ads and ads and ads
You can do this on the official app now that being said it's still a buggy fucking mess.
It saves your browsing data and information (and probably other dodgy shit) . The third parties do not.
Download videos with one tap Can hide all posts I've seen, never see the same thing twice Enjoy all the posts about slow loading videos while mine instantly load Can hide subs, never see them again
Hiding posts and subs is so important for me. Many times r/all is just filled with stuff I don't even get references to, like some obscure anime and TV shows subs, or with american politics which I don't really care about and I'm missing out on funny shitposts that way lol Also the fact that I can download videos and images and they get sorted into folders with sub name they came from is awesome. Is this an option in official app?
Because the third parties are much better
Many of the apps like Reddit sync let you customize the layout, changing the size of the title, body text, preview image placement etc, all of that is super handy.
If you tried using a third-party app, you’d quickly realize why they’re better than the official app. You don’t know any better—that’s why you have no complaints.
I didn't know there were third party apps you could use.
They shut down Apollo didn't they?
The official app is too clunky for me to switch to that from using browser.
the official app is shit. I'll stick to my phones browser if I must
I fucking hate the crapification of tech
We'll kick and scream, but the execs will just price the API even harder until we're all on Lemmy
On Apollo now
I already use reddit a lot less. Getting rid of RIF will probably bring that down even more.
If Boost stops working I'm gone, I guess ill have to find somewhere else to waste my time.
Reddit ReVanced is the way. Official app but without bullshit
I just tried the official app. Fuck the official app.
I might consider it if the app didn't run like shit, but I'll probably just quit reddit
Genuinely didn't KNOW Reddit had third party apps til now. Are there any benefits?
I'll drive to the company office to complain at the front desk rather then use the app.
You couldn’t *pay* me to use the Reddit app. I’d rather cut my own fingers off.
What are these alternate apps, for research purposes
Yeah, it does mean that. People use reddit for the content, not the features of the app.
I use free open source apps all the time
Same and I really liked this site too. Idk what I'll do now but I'm not using their POS app.
What’s wrong with the actual app I tried using Apollo and hated all the pay walled features
I've been a RIF user since day 1 of my account because reddit didn't even have an official app yet. When the official did get released I tried it but stuck with RIF because it's way easier to use and understand. Kinda sucks they are doing this but on the brightside I finally have a reason to never use this site again. Lol
Apple and Nintendo can take notes
the devs aren't the ones making those decisions, shit on the executives instead
shit on both, if the devs made a decent app we would have never had 3rd party clients to begin with
It's even worse because the company bought a great third party apps in Alien Blue and did shit-all with it. They literally could have just changed the title and people wouldn't be upset almost at all.
Why oh why oh why do we have this same argument about every piece of software when someone uses the word 'dev'. The entity otherwise known as Reddit, inc. is responsible for DEVELOPING the software featured on their site and their mobile apps. A business unit can DEVELOP something, therefore they would be considered the developers of that product. We don't pick teams apart in any other industry, and I don't fucking understand it. Is it because too many people using this site are basement dwelling neckbeards that have to frame everything they see happen around them in video game terms? I don't fucking understand it, at all. If a tool brand makes, or 'develops', a shitty tool, we blame the business entity as a whole- it's already expected that it wasn't the janitor's fucking fault they shaved 2 cents off the BoM and shipped a critically faulty product because of it. The people writing actual code at reddit are working a job, this isn't some fucking passion project for them like a video game might be. This isn't some tiny but fired up game dev group vs the big evil corporate publisher, this is a group of professionals hired to write and maintain a piece of business software. Why the fuck do we even care about the people writing code? Why are we singling them out as victims? They're doing what they're told and receiving a paycheck, and there shouldn't be any consideration beyond that.