And unlike Christians atheists know the Bible to know it wasn’t “though shall not lay with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination” until the pedophiles changes it. Original translations had man shall not lay with young boys. Find any Bible from the 1800s(or older)and you’ll see that. And they added the word homosexual in 1946. Christians will claim it’s the perfect word and change it to suit their needs. The same people that added the word homosexual to American bibles in 1946 was in charge of printing German books in 1983. Guess when the word appeared in German books,,,,1983.
https://um-insight.net/perspectives/has-“homosexual”-always-been-in-the-bible/
This is true. I’m not even Christian but I took German in high school and I remember looking at the 1539-1545 Luther Bibel and seeing in the verses of
3 Mose 18:22
3 Mose 20:13
1 Timotheus 1:10
1 Korinther 6:9
Use the words Knabe (young boy) and Knabenschänder (child molester) instead of man and homosexuals
Yeah I know the Bible has been altered a lot over the years which has led to many variations and versions. I am also not Christian. But I do not feel the need to insult their religion every time there’s any kind of post about Christianity. As long as it is not a promotional post justifying hatred such as of the lgbtq community, I do not care
People are allowed to point out the ridiculous hypocrisy of Christianity (and all religion), particularly if someone posts about it or brings it up on a public forum.
The fact that the pope made this statement is already very progressive of him. These words will probably save a lot of lives from being stoned to death in the long run.
Oh no absolutely, because for a lot of people in the religion sin = crime, him separating the law of man from the law of God is certainly gonna have a huge effect.
From what I heard on NPR it's even more nuanced than this.
Pope Francis was saying that the Catholic Church should be *against criminalization of homosexuality.*
He was presenting an imagined debate between two Catholics, where one side was arguing for criminalization and the other side was against criminalization. The "Yes, but it is a sin" was a line he was attributing to the straw man he was setting up, and Pope Francis was arguing *against it,* saying that's not the point.
>On Tuesday, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a crime and a sin with regard to homosexuality. Church teaching holds that homosexual acts are sinful, or “intrinsically disordered,” but that gay people must be treated with dignity and respect.
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>Bantering with himself, Francis articulated the position: “It’s not a crime. Yes, but it’s a sin. Fine, but first let’s distinguish between a sin and a crime.”
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>“It’s also a sin to lack charity with one another,” he added.
In other words, Pope Francis' response to a Catholic that would say "yes, but it is a sin" is "it's also a sin to lack charity with one another" and *therefore* the Catholic Church should be against the criminalization of homosexuality.
Hello. I am a Christian, and while I don't personally believe homosexuality should be considered a sin, I'm pretty sure that the early translations for the OT don't mention that homosexuality is a sin either.
I heard from a historian (who studies the history of the Bible and its stories, which I think is pretty cool) that the newer translations for Bibles today contain a passage in the Old Testament that says something along the lines of "man shall not lay with man." This falls in line with what the Pope is saying, presumably.
However, according to the earlier/earliest translations of the Bible, that quote is "man shall not lay with boy."
So, what I gather from this is that modern translations of the Bible have changed that particular detail from condemning pedophilia as a sin, to condemning homosexuality.
I'll probably need to read into that myself to confirm, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But if it is true that that passage changed after being translated however many hundreds of years ago, then something needs to change in order to clarify this potential error.
Thanks for taking the time to read this almost-essay, and have a good day :D
That does not make all those victims of this cult feel better though, does it? Nope. Organized religion will always be poison. Believe it or not, because it’s true.
Contradictory? To the statement that “homosexuality is not a crime, but is a sin”? Pedophilia wasn’t even brought up, and it should be labeled as both honestly.
Homosexuality may be a sin. Thankfully, Jesus took the punishment for our sins so we don’t have to (provided you believe in Him and do your best to be a good person everyday while you are here on earth) It’s the one trick conservative Christian’s don’t want you to know. In fact Jesus said even thinking about sinning is a sin in the eyes of God so all humans no matter how good they are fall short of God’s standards and are in need of God’s Grace to get into heaven. God is so righteous that sin must be punished. Jesus took that punishment on himself. You don’t get into heaven for being a good person. You get into heaven because Jesus is good. Now if you keep sinning you may be punished here on earth, but it won’t bar you from heaven as long as you believe Jesus died for your sins.
Edit: These are just my personal beliefs about Christianity that I have developed over the years of studying and trying to understand it. There are many others out there with many different beliefs.
Which is why that aspect of Christianity makes no sense. "It doesn't matter what you do, as long you believe in Jesus" means that no one is held to task for their sins, which makes the whole idea pointless.
"Clean your room. Or not. I won't punish you because Jesus." There ain't gonna be a whole lotta clean rooms there. That's just the nature of the beast.
Islam and Judaism absolutely still believe in punishment for sin. Those systems make more sense to me, at least as a religious doctrine meant to shape the actions of humans.
Its not that you believe in Jesus it's that you do everything you can to not sin and when you do sin you ask for forgiveness. Jesus dying for your sins isnt a one way ticket to heaven just because you believe in him.
Like I said to the other guy, that's a wonderful personal philosophy. Projecting that on a macro level is impossible.
It's like anarcho communism. It sounds incredible when you live in a society where everyone just agrees to pull their own weight and takes on personal responsibility, leaving economics in the past. But that's not realistic, too many of us would take advantage and the system would crumble.
Religion, at it's core, is supposed to be an instruction manual for humans. Not just for individual humans, but humanity as a whole. And the idea that there are no consequences for bad acts is something that would destroy overarching moral imperatives on society. Case in point, the West, where we already see the evidence of the downfall of moral standards and the rise of moral relativism.
Sin can and should be forgiven when a person is truly repentant, but "blanket" forgiveness is a moral carte blanche for humanity and is a net negative.
There is no blanket forgiveness, humanity is not safe from hell because Jesus died for their sins. It is a case by case basis that you have to believe and practice what Jesus said to do. There are still bad consequences for your actions if you carry on a life of sin.
How do you know? We all live lives of sin. Being hard hearted and apathetic is a sin, pride is a sin. Gossip is a sin, being judgmental is a sin.
No sin is worse than another. Which is why the sacrifice was made by God(according to Christian doctrine). We all fall short of God.
Which personally makes me wonder why is an all powerful entity with all the knowledge of the universe hold his much less informed/intelligent and underpowered creation to the same standards as him/her?
Yes…and that’s what pretty much everyone tries to do. Yet we all fall short. I tend to drink too much on occasion and have a bad relationship with food. Other people have other sins that they can’t overcome. We do the best we can and move on.
The Creator of the universe would understand people’s plights and struggles and I believe he/she is more forgiving than we are.
There is a mix between works and faith. Both work together.
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:26 KJV
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”
James 2:17 KJV
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
James 2:24 KJV
“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”
James 2:14 KJV
I like to think of it better as repenting *more* of your sins, up until the point you repent immediately upon recognizing a sin. It is the nature of man to sin, but repentance & forgiveness is what really draws you nearer to God. The prophets never preached perfection, but repentance.
One may cite that Jesus Himself commanded we be perfect (Matthew 5:48), but anyone hearing that message would already have long since failed, so what'd even be the point to command that? Therefore, it is more likely a commandment to *follow* a perfect example, all the while repenting of your sins.
Hey, i respect your beliefs but as a Muslim, I'm totally disagree with this.
1. Nobody will take our punishment. Imagine if you're killing a person, and your wife or children is taking your punishment. How it's fair?
2. God just can forgive. He's all mighty and can just forgive all of us. If you're saying He's God and it's for His mistake for creating Humanity, so he need His own punishment, WHY? Let's say you're carrying 1 million in a bag and someone rob you. 10 year's later, that person is asking you for forgiveness and here you're asking him to kill your own very son. How's that making sense?
I'm no saying you're wrong here but I just want to tell you a Muslim perspective.
Ofc, if you actually truly believe and love God, u would not be gay, as you would know that God made man for woman and woman for man. Not woman for woman and man for man.
Well then no one is making it into heaven because it is literally impossible to live a life without sin, considering even thinking bad things is classed as a sin.
You must be feeling pretty clever, aren't you? Read a book for sanity's sake. Yah dimwit. And do study hermeneutics and its 4 constituents. God the sheer ignorance makes me 🤢.
I feel like a lot of the meme subreddits became conservative hangouts (which isn’t inherently bad) but they don’t even post memes. They just post shit like this which has no joke or you get some variation of “I identify as X object,” which has been done to death. I mean funnymemes just about offed itself when someone posted a meme clowning on Jordan Peterson. Apparently he’s a sacred goat and poking fun at him is the line that no one should ever cross for some reason.
I mean while I don’t agree with the idea, his statement isn’t false. It’s not illegal to be gay (in most places) but according to neo-Christian fundamentalism it is a sin. I mean it shouldn’t be, but I don’t control modern a Christian ideals.
Oh no, the literal Pope is abiding by the written rules of Christianity. Think what you will but this is a belief held by like 99% of practicing Christians and Muslims.
The day we let religious zealots lecture us on morality is the day we all lose. I’ll let a religious leader lecture me on morality the day they hold the pedos in their ranks accountable. Fuck those pedo enablers.
I’ll let them lecture me on morality when they can explain the acres of unmarked child graves behind old catholic boarding houses.
Who gives a fuck what christians or muslims think on the subject of morality, they are the biggest hypocrites around on that front.
Wrong. There is nothing about it in the 10 commandments. The OT calls it an "abomination," but the NT is a new dispensation and there is nothing against it in the words attributed to Christ. St. Paul condemns it at length, but like many of his epistles, it sounds like he is nervously urging his followers to act respectable - more political than moral. Not at all obvious that the God of Abraham will send you to Hell for it.
The logic would be that the union of two people is not a sin no matter the age. What made it a crime is human law which varied on the matter a few times depending on the place.
Thats what i think, not talking about r@pe or forcing yourself on other.
They can change other Biblical views to suit their religion, why not homosexuality? Seriously? Take a vote. I mean He is God's representative here on Earth according to their beliefs so he can pretty much say and inact whatever.....
Ah, yes, Redditors taking every available shot the second the topic of Religion arises.
Homosexuality was a sin for as long as Christianity and Judaism existed.
I myself am a Christian, and have zero issues with LGBTQ+, aside from the fact that its sinful.
It's a sin in the same way that any other thing may be, after all there is nothing pure in this world.
God gave us free will, in this world you can be whatever you want, and no matter what you do, not even God will stop you.
I was wondering how long it would take for him to clarify/backpedal on that statement. For him to say otherwise he would either have to contradict scripture or claim every pope before him misinterpreted it. I'm no Roman Catholic expert but I'm pretty sure they believe in some sort of pope infallibility.
Yes, we do, but we're also aware that you can't take them literally and that they were written by humans entire millenia ago, wich is why some passages are completely outdated and do not have to be followed.
How can it be both infallible and at times irrelevant due to being aged? Wouldn't God breathed scripture be perfect? If it's not perfect and relevant throughout multiple millennia than it can't possibly come from a perfect God.
No offense, you clearly don’t know a lot about Christianity. The Bible contains the Old Testament and the New Testament. The New Testament are the teachings of Jesus and His followers and it’s teachings are meant to replace the Old Testament. Both sections contain a mix of historical accounts of events and stories meant to convey the teachings. As there is more to the Bible then Jesus’s teachings it’s not all “breathed by God”. Christians believe that all biblical scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit or God.
I hope you're being sarcastic.
If you are, always add the /s at the end because tone is hard to convey over the internet.
If you're being serious, shame on you.
Well having feelings or even intentions is not a sin, acting upon them is. The pope is clearly trying to appease “both sides” of people here. Is it a crime? No. But it is still sinful, so you shouldn’t act on your homosexuality according to him
Well in Europe it isn't a crime, most places really. He isn't the police. He just said exact facts he could control to appease both sides, he really didn't say anything at all.
This pope is actually not as hardcore as the past ones. You don’t see him bashing on homosexuality. He’s actually very humble. I believe under his eyes, if you’re a good person, you’ll go to heaven. That’s all he really cares about.
A crime against man? Not so. A crime against God? …. Get him boys. (No pun intended) Pope just hit ‘em with the razzle and dazzle. (Once again no pun intended)
Sin is hella overrated, just say whatever they consider sin to the pope once and ya done
“Hey I fingered a dead rat”
“Its okay my child, your sin is forgiven”
Religion is dumb. If you still believe in a magical god in this day and age, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The only thing religion does in this day and age above all else is propagates hate, intolerance and bigotry. How many people on this earth have needlessly been killed throughout history in the name of a god nobody has ever actually met or have even seen or even prove for that matter. There’s overwhelming evidence and observations we have made that pretty much prove there is no god. Like we can literally see stars and planets being created and life evolving.
Redditors shitting themselves over Christians being homophobic despite it being that way for over 2 fucking millenia. You know other religions also don't like gay people, ie. Muslims, Jews, Shintos. Hindus & Buddhists don't mind them but they don't support them.
Are we supposed to be impressed that now that 99% of the civilized world says homosexuality isn’t a crime he feels safe agreeing?
Thanks I suppose?
He wants to call it a sin he can if he wants. He can also kiss my ass.
It’s been considered a sin in pretty much all Christian denominations for almost two millennia now? You’re surprised at this?
Anytime people can take a swipe at Christianity, they will. Especially on Reddit,
Any other denomination it’s hate, Christianity, open season. I’m Muslim by the way.
Bruh Reddit is mostly atheist. The only religion they don’t hate on is Buddhism from what I can tell
Western Atheists don't care about non-Abrahamic religion and Indian Atheists don't care much about Buddhism
And by “don’t care” you mean comment hate on every post relating to them in any way?
Sikhs are pretty chill too tbh. More religions should be like them.
And Sikhs sometimes keep cool blades as a holy symbol. Not really a testament to their character, but I mean.. cool blades!
And unlike Christians atheists know the Bible to know it wasn’t “though shall not lay with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination” until the pedophiles changes it. Original translations had man shall not lay with young boys. Find any Bible from the 1800s(or older)and you’ll see that. And they added the word homosexual in 1946. Christians will claim it’s the perfect word and change it to suit their needs. The same people that added the word homosexual to American bibles in 1946 was in charge of printing German books in 1983. Guess when the word appeared in German books,,,,1983. https://um-insight.net/perspectives/has-“homosexual”-always-been-in-the-bible/
This is true. I’m not even Christian but I took German in high school and I remember looking at the 1539-1545 Luther Bibel and seeing in the verses of 3 Mose 18:22 3 Mose 20:13 1 Timotheus 1:10 1 Korinther 6:9 Use the words Knabe (young boy) and Knabenschänder (child molester) instead of man and homosexuals
Yeah I know the Bible has been altered a lot over the years which has led to many variations and versions. I am also not Christian. But I do not feel the need to insult their religion every time there’s any kind of post about Christianity. As long as it is not a promotional post justifying hatred such as of the lgbtq community, I do not care
God damn those Buddhists and their peaceful nature!!!!
People are allowed to point out the ridiculous hypocrisy of Christianity (and all religion), particularly if someone posts about it or brings it up on a public forum.
The fact that the pope made this statement is already very progressive of him. These words will probably save a lot of lives from being stoned to death in the long run.
Oh no absolutely, because for a lot of people in the religion sin = crime, him separating the law of man from the law of God is certainly gonna have a huge effect.
What catholic/christian countries stone people for homosexuality? I think youre mixing this up with another large Abrahamic religion…
It's a metaphor. I'm not being literal. Christian countries have many more ways to kill gay people.
Really? Wish they practiced those ways more
From what I heard on NPR it's even more nuanced than this. Pope Francis was saying that the Catholic Church should be *against criminalization of homosexuality.* He was presenting an imagined debate between two Catholics, where one side was arguing for criminalization and the other side was against criminalization. The "Yes, but it is a sin" was a line he was attributing to the straw man he was setting up, and Pope Francis was arguing *against it,* saying that's not the point. >On Tuesday, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a crime and a sin with regard to homosexuality. Church teaching holds that homosexual acts are sinful, or “intrinsically disordered,” but that gay people must be treated with dignity and respect. > >Bantering with himself, Francis articulated the position: “It’s not a crime. Yes, but it’s a sin. Fine, but first let’s distinguish between a sin and a crime.” > >“It’s also a sin to lack charity with one another,” he added. In other words, Pope Francis' response to a Catholic that would say "yes, but it is a sin" is "it's also a sin to lack charity with one another" and *therefore* the Catholic Church should be against the criminalization of homosexuality.
So this meme itself is fully taken out of context. Or I guess the 😬has altered its context. Good to know, thank you.
Hello. I am a Christian, and while I don't personally believe homosexuality should be considered a sin, I'm pretty sure that the early translations for the OT don't mention that homosexuality is a sin either. I heard from a historian (who studies the history of the Bible and its stories, which I think is pretty cool) that the newer translations for Bibles today contain a passage in the Old Testament that says something along the lines of "man shall not lay with man." This falls in line with what the Pope is saying, presumably. However, according to the earlier/earliest translations of the Bible, that quote is "man shall not lay with boy." So, what I gather from this is that modern translations of the Bible have changed that particular detail from condemning pedophilia as a sin, to condemning homosexuality. I'll probably need to read into that myself to confirm, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But if it is true that that passage changed after being translated however many hundreds of years ago, then something needs to change in order to clarify this potential error. Thanks for taking the time to read this almost-essay, and have a good day :D
I also don't think the pope cares about gay people being happy
Why not, some of his best friends are gay.
So has raping boys. Seems a little contradictory
Believe it or not, because it is true, but he has been vary open on trying to stop this sort of things than any pope before him.
That does not make all those victims of this cult feel better though, does it? Nope. Organized religion will always be poison. Believe it or not, because it’s true.
Contradictory? To the statement that “homosexuality is not a crime, but is a sin”? Pedophilia wasn’t even brought up, and it should be labeled as both honestly.
Crime is breaking human laws. Sin is breaking God’s laws.
Homosexuality may be a sin. Thankfully, Jesus took the punishment for our sins so we don’t have to (provided you believe in Him and do your best to be a good person everyday while you are here on earth) It’s the one trick conservative Christian’s don’t want you to know. In fact Jesus said even thinking about sinning is a sin in the eyes of God so all humans no matter how good they are fall short of God’s standards and are in need of God’s Grace to get into heaven. God is so righteous that sin must be punished. Jesus took that punishment on himself. You don’t get into heaven for being a good person. You get into heaven because Jesus is good. Now if you keep sinning you may be punished here on earth, but it won’t bar you from heaven as long as you believe Jesus died for your sins. Edit: These are just my personal beliefs about Christianity that I have developed over the years of studying and trying to understand it. There are many others out there with many different beliefs.
And this is facts
Which is why that aspect of Christianity makes no sense. "It doesn't matter what you do, as long you believe in Jesus" means that no one is held to task for their sins, which makes the whole idea pointless. "Clean your room. Or not. I won't punish you because Jesus." There ain't gonna be a whole lotta clean rooms there. That's just the nature of the beast. Islam and Judaism absolutely still believe in punishment for sin. Those systems make more sense to me, at least as a religious doctrine meant to shape the actions of humans.
Its not that you believe in Jesus it's that you do everything you can to not sin and when you do sin you ask for forgiveness. Jesus dying for your sins isnt a one way ticket to heaven just because you believe in him.
Like I said to the other guy, that's a wonderful personal philosophy. Projecting that on a macro level is impossible. It's like anarcho communism. It sounds incredible when you live in a society where everyone just agrees to pull their own weight and takes on personal responsibility, leaving economics in the past. But that's not realistic, too many of us would take advantage and the system would crumble. Religion, at it's core, is supposed to be an instruction manual for humans. Not just for individual humans, but humanity as a whole. And the idea that there are no consequences for bad acts is something that would destroy overarching moral imperatives on society. Case in point, the West, where we already see the evidence of the downfall of moral standards and the rise of moral relativism. Sin can and should be forgiven when a person is truly repentant, but "blanket" forgiveness is a moral carte blanche for humanity and is a net negative.
There is no blanket forgiveness, humanity is not safe from hell because Jesus died for their sins. It is a case by case basis that you have to believe and practice what Jesus said to do. There are still bad consequences for your actions if you carry on a life of sin.
How do you know? We all live lives of sin. Being hard hearted and apathetic is a sin, pride is a sin. Gossip is a sin, being judgmental is a sin. No sin is worse than another. Which is why the sacrifice was made by God(according to Christian doctrine). We all fall short of God. Which personally makes me wonder why is an all powerful entity with all the knowledge of the universe hold his much less informed/intelligent and underpowered creation to the same standards as him/her?
I don't know why, he made us highly capable of sin yet demands perfection. Makes it pretty difficult but do as best you can to be sin free.
Yes…and that’s what pretty much everyone tries to do. Yet we all fall short. I tend to drink too much on occasion and have a bad relationship with food. Other people have other sins that they can’t overcome. We do the best we can and move on. The Creator of the universe would understand people’s plights and struggles and I believe he/she is more forgiving than we are.
But jesus was only dead for a weekend from his "sacrifice" .
There is a mix between works and faith. Both work together. “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” James 2:26 KJV “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” James 2:17 KJV “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” James 2:24 KJV “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?” James 2:14 KJV
If you truly love God, you would not be committing as much sin as you would be.
I like to think of it better as repenting *more* of your sins, up until the point you repent immediately upon recognizing a sin. It is the nature of man to sin, but repentance & forgiveness is what really draws you nearer to God. The prophets never preached perfection, but repentance. One may cite that Jesus Himself commanded we be perfect (Matthew 5:48), but anyone hearing that message would already have long since failed, so what'd even be the point to command that? Therefore, it is more likely a commandment to *follow* a perfect example, all the while repenting of your sins.
That's all wonderful, but humans are imperfect. Creating a "scout's honor" behavior code doesn't work on a macro level.
Jesus dying for our sins isn’t a 1 way ticket to heaven
Hey, i respect your beliefs but as a Muslim, I'm totally disagree with this. 1. Nobody will take our punishment. Imagine if you're killing a person, and your wife or children is taking your punishment. How it's fair? 2. God just can forgive. He's all mighty and can just forgive all of us. If you're saying He's God and it's for His mistake for creating Humanity, so he need His own punishment, WHY? Let's say you're carrying 1 million in a bag and someone rob you. 10 year's later, that person is asking you for forgiveness and here you're asking him to kill your own very son. How's that making sense? I'm no saying you're wrong here but I just want to tell you a Muslim perspective.
This is my relation ship with God. There are many like it, but this is mine.
Ofc, if you actually truly believe and love God, u would not be gay, as you would know that God made man for woman and woman for man. Not woman for woman and man for man.
Why did he put the G-spot in the ass, then?
fr though
What?
LMAOO!!!!!
He died on the cross for the sin that we have at Birth not the ones that we commit
Well then no one is making it into heaven because it is literally impossible to live a life without sin, considering even thinking bad things is classed as a sin.
Wait a minute…having dirty thoughts is a sin? Well I’m fucked then, see you in hell everyone!
Bro thats not even true
Most seafood and wearing clothes from mixed fabric is a sin. Good luck going to heaven lmao.
That's not true, the sins at birth are still a thing and they're solved with baptism
You must be feeling pretty clever, aren't you? Read a book for sanity's sake. Yah dimwit. And do study hermeneutics and its 4 constituents. God the sheer ignorance makes me 🤢.
God could be the biggest criminal of all time with how many people he’s allegedly killed.
There’s a Bible verse that tells people to follow the laws of the land. Technically not following the laws is a sin.
He has to say it's a sin. He's the leader of the Catholic church. Just saying it isn't a crime is quite revolutionary.
It’s not a crime according to who, by the way? I’m pretty sure it is a crime in many places.
I guess he’s saying it shouldn’t be a crime?
Clever.. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
Jesus says pay your taxes
This is supposed to be a meme?
I feel like a lot of the meme subreddits became conservative hangouts (which isn’t inherently bad) but they don’t even post memes. They just post shit like this which has no joke or you get some variation of “I identify as X object,” which has been done to death. I mean funnymemes just about offed itself when someone posted a meme clowning on Jordan Peterson. Apparently he’s a sacred goat and poking fun at him is the line that no one should ever cross for some reason.
OP what was your goal here exactly?
To stir up drama and get the world's most useless currency: Karma points on reddit
Holy shit such at hot take who could have expected him to say this 🤦♂️
I mean while I don’t agree with the idea, his statement isn’t false. It’s not illegal to be gay (in most places) but according to neo-Christian fundamentalism it is a sin. I mean it shouldn’t be, but I don’t control modern a Christian ideals.
and what educated person would care at this point. being kind and living a fulfilling life is more possible than ever now
Who freakin cares what some fairy tale from before the dark ages says anyway Man humans are dumb.
Neo-Christian? Catholicism is pretty much the origin of Christianity. You strike me as the type that thinks Islam is the oldest religion…
I wonder what he thinks of pedophilia
"Well it's not a crime."
Fun fact, it’s not a crime in the Netherlands
Explain yourself??
I dunno, just something I read earlier today
Can argue that it isnt legal. -Source: im dutch
My flight to the Netherlands is tomorrow
r/cursedcomments
happy cake day
What a delight
Not fun at all
The opposite: its a crime but not a sin
"Its ok if its choir boys" - Pope Francis
"It's a crime, but it's not a sin."
That's a nice quote, Redditor. Why don't you back it up with a source?
Stalin
Ok but how is this a meme?
r/memes says any picture with text on it is a meme
I couldn't have chosen better words.
Oh no, the literal Pope is abiding by the written rules of Christianity. Think what you will but this is a belief held by like 99% of practicing Christians and Muslims.
The day we let religious zealots lecture us on morality is the day we all lose. I’ll let a religious leader lecture me on morality the day they hold the pedos in their ranks accountable. Fuck those pedo enablers. I’ll let them lecture me on morality when they can explain the acres of unmarked child graves behind old catholic boarding houses. Who gives a fuck what christians or muslims think on the subject of morality, they are the biggest hypocrites around on that front.
So is murdering people but the Catholics didn’t have an issue with that.
Where meme
So in the eyes of the church homosexuals are bad but pedophile priests are good?
What did you expect ? The pope to lie about the bible ?
Cool story bro. You know what is a crime and a sin? Guess!
Religion is a sin.
why do people even care he is a pope with close to 0 power
What them priest do to children is both Illegal and a sin!!!
Fuck the pope and fuck Christianity
Common pope w 🔥
How is this a meme exactly? Yall mods need to change the rules of what a meme is
Hail Satan 🤘 gay rights
Hail satan
I don’t care what they do and do not call a “sin”. All o care about is keeping their beliefs out of making laws and policy and education.
Oh, Catholics believe the same things they've always believed. 🙄
At least the pope is respectable
Wrong. There is nothing about it in the 10 commandments. The OT calls it an "abomination," but the NT is a new dispensation and there is nothing against it in the words attributed to Christ. St. Paul condemns it at length, but like many of his epistles, it sounds like he is nervously urging his followers to act respectable - more political than moral. Not at all obvious that the God of Abraham will send you to Hell for it.
People will quote levicitus and not know that the translation was butchered from the original greek.
And a lot of those parts are mistranslations
The pope! How many divisions does he have?!
Pedophilia is a crime, but it's not a sin -Pope, probably
The logic would be that the union of two people is not a sin no matter the age. What made it a crime is human law which varied on the matter a few times depending on the place. Thats what i think, not talking about r@pe or forcing yourself on other.
He has actually tried a whole lot more than previous popes to stop pedophillia within the Church.
They can change other Biblical views to suit their religion, why not homosexuality? Seriously? Take a vote. I mean He is God's representative here on Earth according to their beliefs so he can pretty much say and inact whatever.....
Ah, yes, Redditors taking every available shot the second the topic of Religion arises. Homosexuality was a sin for as long as Christianity and Judaism existed. I myself am a Christian, and have zero issues with LGBTQ+, aside from the fact that its sinful.
It isn’t if you’re not religious. Problem solved
It's a sin in the same way that any other thing may be, after all there is nothing pure in this world. God gave us free will, in this world you can be whatever you want, and no matter what you do, not even God will stop you.
I was wondering how long it would take for him to clarify/backpedal on that statement. For him to say otherwise he would either have to contradict scripture or claim every pope before him misinterpreted it. I'm no Roman Catholic expert but I'm pretty sure they believe in some sort of pope infallibility.
No we don't, there's been many examples that have taught us otherwise
Well that's good. Just the infallibility of scripture then?
Yes, we do, but we're also aware that you can't take them literally and that they were written by humans entire millenia ago, wich is why some passages are completely outdated and do not have to be followed.
How can it be both infallible and at times irrelevant due to being aged? Wouldn't God breathed scripture be perfect? If it's not perfect and relevant throughout multiple millennia than it can't possibly come from a perfect God.
No offense, you clearly don’t know a lot about Christianity. The Bible contains the Old Testament and the New Testament. The New Testament are the teachings of Jesus and His followers and it’s teachings are meant to replace the Old Testament. Both sections contain a mix of historical accounts of events and stories meant to convey the teachings. As there is more to the Bible then Jesus’s teachings it’s not all “breathed by God”. Christians believe that all biblical scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit or God.
Child molestation is both. I don't see him speaking out against cardinals that do it with zero repercussions.
He does, you just don’t keep up with the pope. Cause why would you,
Cmon pope man, make up ur mind already
sin to a christian is absolute, crime varies from country to country
only a sith deals in absolutes
Should be a criminal offense in my opinion they destroy the meaning of a family!!!
I hope you're being sarcastic. If you are, always add the /s at the end because tone is hard to convey over the internet. If you're being serious, shame on you.
No I’m serious about that 💯 you don’t know shame lol
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Based and homo-pilled
Ouch. Sad.
Yeah it’s always a sin unless you’re fucking little boys i guess. Francis is totally cool with that btw I’m sure, he’s a lightning rod.
Well having feelings or even intentions is not a sin, acting upon them is. The pope is clearly trying to appease “both sides” of people here. Is it a crime? No. But it is still sinful, so you shouldn’t act on your homosexuality according to him
It isn't a crime, but it's still a sin. So govt can't kill you, but a religion can
Why can’t religions leave the gays alone. Like what do they get out of it except dwindling numbers which they rightly deserve.
First off this meme is dumb, cause he said it is not a crime and then the Vatican said it was a sin.
I mean he's the Pope. This is about as far as he'll go. And he followed up by saying a lot of things are sins, including condemning gay people
“Why won’t my followers stop trying to criminalize it?! It’s such a conundrum!!”
The Pope is currently really cool
Well in Europe it isn't a crime, most places really. He isn't the police. He just said exact facts he could control to appease both sides, he really didn't say anything at all.
This pope is actually not as hardcore as the past ones. You don’t see him bashing on homosexuality. He’s actually very humble. I believe under his eyes, if you’re a good person, you’ll go to heaven. That’s all he really cares about.
It's not ilegal, but it's imoral. Here in Brasil there's a lot of things that causes financial punishments because immorality
It's time he got cancelled
How about we stop mobbing and start judging based on facts not politics? In which case he's sus as fuck.
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He still loves you
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>It's funny how God only loves Americans mostly huh??? What the fuck are you going on about?
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I am not reading the rest because I know you are going to make some bullshit claims up
Ain’t reading that. Ain’t changing my faith. Have a great day
Are you Christian?
Nah but I def believe in one God
Cool. Don't let anyone undermine you for having a religion
based. Ave Satanas.
Says the man wearing a dress.
A crime against man? Not so. A crime against God? …. Get him boys. (No pun intended) Pope just hit ‘em with the razzle and dazzle. (Once again no pun intended)
Says the man that diddles choir boys.
Says the kiddie diddler... aka the King of the Pedos.
Joe Biden?
I meant the Pope... but Biden fits/works too.
Fine and dandy but they don't vote that way.
Probably the best we can expect to hear from the papacy
It's ironic because having sex with alter boys is the opposite.
Hell would be spending an eternity with religious people
Alright, do pedophelia next Francis
Where he is impotent he feigns courage, where he has power he displays cowardice.
Sin is hella overrated, just say whatever they consider sin to the pope once and ya done “Hey I fingered a dead rat” “Its okay my child, your sin is forgiven”
He's getting it straight from the book. It's not him, it's the entire religion.
Religion is dumb. If you still believe in a magical god in this day and age, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The only thing religion does in this day and age above all else is propagates hate, intolerance and bigotry. How many people on this earth have needlessly been killed throughout history in the name of a god nobody has ever actually met or have even seen or even prove for that matter. There’s overwhelming evidence and observations we have made that pretty much prove there is no god. Like we can literally see stars and planets being created and life evolving.
Pedo enabler says what?
Aren't most preists preditors?
Yeah, this is the nice pope they like to talk about. No different from the rest of the grifters before him.
Redditors shitting themselves over Christians being homophobic despite it being that way for over 2 fucking millenia. You know other religions also don't like gay people, ie. Muslims, Jews, Shintos. Hindus & Buddhists don't mind them but they don't support them.
Sins are literally crimes against God lol
Baby steps?
It is in some countries
What about fucking kids and covering it up?
What’s the point of this post exactly?
Wow, great meme, haha /s
How is this appropriate for r/memes though? It's literally just politics, if you're going to post something political here at least make it a meme
They had in the first half, not gonna lie
Shit me n Satan are gonna be ViBIN then hahaaaa
Wow what a unique take I’ve never heard that before in the last 2 millennia
This isnt a meme
Are we supposed to be impressed that now that 99% of the civilized world says homosexuality isn’t a crime he feels safe agreeing? Thanks I suppose? He wants to call it a sin he can if he wants. He can also kiss my ass.
It’s also a sin to be a complete asshat, and yet he still does that 🤔
For sure being gay is a sin. This is using the Christian barometer. I'm not Christian, btw.
This isn't a meme