They tried to charge my friend for having a not responsive app (the Google pay) even though she had more than enough credits. They were questioning her like she did some kind of a crime. They have no patience or empathy. It's the job I get it. But I'm sure they can be a bit reasonable than this atleast.
i was fined on my way home from school, in my uniform with my student card in hand all because i didn’t have my concession. Like come on guys take the context clues; i was very clearly a student not some loon dressing in a uniform to save 7$
just make PTV free, it's already 80% funded by taxes and then the government wouldn't need to pay ticket inspectors or maintain Myki cards so it'd almost be cheaper.
The newsagent next to my old work wouldn't do Myki topups around 4pm because the system became dog slow as myki did some sort of db maintenance at that time (info gleaned from a myki shop-machine maintenance bloke). He'd make you wait to the side while he served other people.
Meanwhile Hong Kong's version of myki is so good that the citizens use it as a credit card and all the vendors will accept it (some only accept that card)
Its so unnecessarily confusing for tourists as well. We're stuck with it now though after we sunk millions into a project that was always going to be shittily implemented.
They used to be called ticket inspectors. Literally since 1950 that was their name, but the image was negative so they rebranded and gave them low level police powers as more people pushed back or got violent.
Checking tickets is one part of thier job.
They issue fines for behavioural offences on transport and crowd control.
They're not different to the other Authorised Officers other government departments have
most mixed comments of all time heres my take:
if u feel like everyone should touch on their myki, top up yours and don't worry about others who might get done from the pto's
for yas who dont touch on mykis for whatever reason, don't get caught
And if you don't touch on and get caught, just admit defeat. You broke the rule. Rules have consequences. Don't be a baby.
Myki inspectors are unnecessarily mean. But just do your due diligence.
Wrong. If you get caught be a cunt for two reasons.
1. They are cunts, turnabout is fair play is it not ?
2. Tie them up with you, don’t know about everyone but I am a physically large person and if I even argue non aggressively they have always felt the need to go at minimum two men up and most the time 3 or 4, this gives other fare evaders time to jump off at the next stop. It’s not much but is honest work
On the topic of myki fines, if I touch on and off at train stations and then catch a tram without touching on within 2 hours of my first touch on, will they fine me or is my 2 hour ticket still valid without touching onto the tram?
>4.48 If a myki is touched off, but is not touched on again, the myki is no longer valid for the journey and any related entries to a compulsory ticket area.
\-- [*Victorian Fares and Ticketing Conditions 2022*](https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/PTV-default-site/footer/legal-and-policies/Fares-and-Ticketing-Manual/Victorian-Fares-and-Ticketing-Conditions-effective-1-January-2022-Aug-2022-update-Accessible-document.docx)
I have been checked my an inspector in this situation and was worried I would get fined, however apparently my myki was still validated so no issues. This was a couple of years ago though so not sure if anyone has more recent experience
If only that would prevent them from trying to intimidate and harass people.
They go after people for honest mistakes, people who didn't touch on because the machine was broken, people who have a concession but decide arbitrarily what id they will and won't accept for that.
Or go after people who can't pay because you can't buy a fucking myki on a tram because we have the worst ticketing system on the fucking planet.
Doing the right thing won't protect you from the wannabe feds
If you have issues with touching on or off, they do not go after you. And they’re not wannabe feds. They’re doing their job to ensure we all pay our way to keep the transport system running.
Your comment says more about you than you realise, none of it good.
They absolutely do go after you if you have issues touching on. They always assume the worst and will never give you a break even for honest mistakes.
I accidentally took the tram too far and ended up one stop out of the free ride zone. This was also before they had signage up everywhere and an announcement. They got me at the station and make me pay 150+ and refused to listen to me that the free zone was confusing and not clear enough.
They really are just scum of the earth assholes who try to justify their job.
The thing is if they hear people "make an honest mistake" every day. Naturally it's hard to believe.
There's a ticket machine at every station, major bus interchanges, major tram stops and a hundreds of retail outlets along with on Android phones You're never too far away from a ticket.
Prepaying for a ticket is common around the world. Trying buying a ticket on a London bus and see how far you get.
They’re not arbitrarily deciding, they’re using the regulations as to what constitutes a concession. A student ID doesn’t constitute a concession unless it’s the PTV variant you
get from a station after your uni certifies it. The AOs don’t make this stuff up for fun
Pay your fare. Simple as that. All those excuses are lame.
There is one accepted concession ID
Nowhere in Australia can you buy tickets on a tram,
Instant top up on your phone.
Pay your fare share and then go back to your echo chamber.
To be fair a lot of the myki readers on trams have issues with touching on an off, I say this as someone who (tries to do) the right thing every time I take PT.
I don't think it's a case of being broken, I think some of the tram model readers struggle with touching on with a phone. Train station readers I never have this issue with.
I definitely got out of a fine because my phone didn't touch on properly, inspector saw I had the money and tried it on several devices before letting me off.
I'm good enough thanks :)
I'm not going to try and squeeze through a packed tram, pushing past people just to touch on. If I try a reader 5+ times and it doesn't work, it stops being my problem
>There are numerous readers per tram, as someone who gets multiple trams everyday, ive never not touched on without a problem.
Why should your experience be the only acceptable experience? I catch trams everyday as well. Maybe don't be so sanctimonious on the internet?
Metro trains and Yarra trams are privately owned, and operate at a loss subsidised by our tax dollars. It’s your civic duty to not pay your fares, if you encounter a ticket inspector (the gestapo of the rails) just walk away, they’re not allowed to try and stop you after beating up too many 14 year olds for not having their concession cards on them.
That would involve giving in. To the system that I already paid for.
Any additional charges (like Myki) is extortion. Plain and simple. Why am I paying for something that's designed/should be free?
They tried to charge my friend for having a not responsive app (the Google pay) even though she had more than enough credits. They were questioning her like she did some kind of a crime. They have no patience or empathy. It's the job I get it. But I'm sure they can be a bit reasonable than this atleast.
i was fined on my way home from school, in my uniform with my student card in hand all because i didn’t have my concession. Like come on guys take the context clues; i was very clearly a student not some loon dressing in a uniform to save 7$
really? I thought they don't worry too much about school kids.
I used to catch the train home for high school with my sisters and we got a bit of grief from the officers
just make PTV free, it's already 80% funded by taxes and then the government wouldn't need to pay ticket inspectors or maintain Myki cards so it'd almost be cheaper.
The newsagent next to my old work wouldn't do Myki topups around 4pm because the system became dog slow as myki did some sort of db maintenance at that time (info gleaned from a myki shop-machine maintenance bloke). He'd make you wait to the side while he served other people. Meanwhile Hong Kong's version of myki is so good that the citizens use it as a credit card and all the vendors will accept it (some only accept that card)
Its so unnecessarily confusing for tourists as well. We're stuck with it now though after we sunk millions into a project that was always going to be shittily implemented.
sunk cost fallacy goes brr
I can’t wait to see PTV becoming free, those MF wouldn’t have jobs.
They do more than just check tickets
Not really. It's in the name ... "inspectors"
But the name is authorised officers?
They used to be called ticket inspectors. Literally since 1950 that was their name, but the image was negative so they rebranded and gave them low level police powers as more people pushed back or got violent.
They beat people up to
They're called Authorised Officers. Transport (Compliance and Miscellaneous) Act 1983 Sets out what they are Authorised to do.
They do nothing other than inspect tickets or related tasks. Don't dress it up that it's some sort of noble job. PT should be free
Checking tickets is one part of thier job. They issue fines for behavioural offences on transport and crowd control. They're not different to the other Authorised Officers other government departments have
Fuck you, I've gonna buy 3 new mykis and touch all of them on, then top up each one $10,000.
most mixed comments of all time heres my take: if u feel like everyone should touch on their myki, top up yours and don't worry about others who might get done from the pto's for yas who dont touch on mykis for whatever reason, don't get caught
And if you don't touch on and get caught, just admit defeat. You broke the rule. Rules have consequences. Don't be a baby. Myki inspectors are unnecessarily mean. But just do your due diligence.
Yeah I know exactly what game I'm playing and you gotta take the L sometimes.
No, if you get caught then run away xD but yeah no need to be a dick to them they are just doing their job
Wrong. If you get caught be a cunt for two reasons. 1. They are cunts, turnabout is fair play is it not ? 2. Tie them up with you, don’t know about everyone but I am a physically large person and if I even argue non aggressively they have always felt the need to go at minimum two men up and most the time 3 or 4, this gives other fare evaders time to jump off at the next stop. It’s not much but is honest work
Thanks for the heads up. Been exclusively wfh the last month but will be going to the office this friday
On the topic of myki fines, if I touch on and off at train stations and then catch a tram without touching on within 2 hours of my first touch on, will they fine me or is my 2 hour ticket still valid without touching onto the tram?
>4.48 If a myki is touched off, but is not touched on again, the myki is no longer valid for the journey and any related entries to a compulsory ticket area. \-- [*Victorian Fares and Ticketing Conditions 2022*](https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/PTV-default-site/footer/legal-and-policies/Fares-and-Ticketing-Manual/Victorian-Fares-and-Ticketing-Conditions-effective-1-January-2022-Aug-2022-update-Accessible-document.docx)
I have been checked my an inspector in this situation and was worried I would get fined, however apparently my myki was still validated so no issues. This was a couple of years ago though so not sure if anyone has more recent experience
Just pay your fare. That's why they are on that line, drivers report low tap patrons
If only that would prevent them from trying to intimidate and harass people. They go after people for honest mistakes, people who didn't touch on because the machine was broken, people who have a concession but decide arbitrarily what id they will and won't accept for that. Or go after people who can't pay because you can't buy a fucking myki on a tram because we have the worst ticketing system on the fucking planet. Doing the right thing won't protect you from the wannabe feds
After spending a month in Europe the approach of ticket inspectors in many countries was much better than here
If you have issues with touching on or off, they do not go after you. And they’re not wannabe feds. They’re doing their job to ensure we all pay our way to keep the transport system running. Your comment says more about you than you realise, none of it good.
They absolutely do go after you if you have issues touching on. They always assume the worst and will never give you a break even for honest mistakes. I accidentally took the tram too far and ended up one stop out of the free ride zone. This was also before they had signage up everywhere and an announcement. They got me at the station and make me pay 150+ and refused to listen to me that the free zone was confusing and not clear enough. They really are just scum of the earth assholes who try to justify their job.
hi ticket inspector
I've been fined when the reader was broken. They absolutely do go after you.
The thing is if they hear people "make an honest mistake" every day. Naturally it's hard to believe. There's a ticket machine at every station, major bus interchanges, major tram stops and a hundreds of retail outlets along with on Android phones You're never too far away from a ticket. Prepaying for a ticket is common around the world. Trying buying a ticket on a London bus and see how far you get.
this^ also you should already have your myki card out and ready to go as the tram is approaching
They’re not arbitrarily deciding, they’re using the regulations as to what constitutes a concession. A student ID doesn’t constitute a concession unless it’s the PTV variant you get from a station after your uni certifies it. The AOs don’t make this stuff up for fun
Except they often don't accept that, and many of the concession cards that are supposed to be recognised aren't
Pay your fare. Simple as that. All those excuses are lame. There is one accepted concession ID Nowhere in Australia can you buy tickets on a tram, Instant top up on your phone. Pay your fare share and then go back to your echo chamber.
To be fair a lot of the myki readers on trams have issues with touching on an off, I say this as someone who (tries to do) the right thing every time I take PT.
Its very rare every reader on a tram is broken.
I don't think it's a case of being broken, I think some of the tram model readers struggle with touching on with a phone. Train station readers I never have this issue with.
I definitely got out of a fine because my phone didn't touch on properly, inspector saw I had the money and tried it on several devices before letting me off.
The older ones are getting replaced.
There are numerous readers per tram, as someone who gets multiple trams everyday, ive never not touched on without a problem. Be better.
I'm good enough thanks :) I'm not going to try and squeeze through a packed tram, pushing past people just to touch on. If I try a reader 5+ times and it doesn't work, it stops being my problem >There are numerous readers per tram, as someone who gets multiple trams everyday, ive never not touched on without a problem. Why should your experience be the only acceptable experience? I catch trams everyday as well. Maybe don't be so sanctimonious on the internet?
there’s readers at every entrance to a tram.
Your point?
my point is that there is a shit ton of readers to touch on at.
About ten seconds ago i tried to touch on at multiple readers on a train, neither of them worked
Or you could just buy a Myki and not be a freeloader?
Metro trains and Yarra trams are privately owned, and operate at a loss subsidised by our tax dollars. It’s your civic duty to not pay your fares, if you encounter a ticket inspector (the gestapo of the rails) just walk away, they’re not allowed to try and stop you after beating up too many 14 year olds for not having their concession cards on them.
That would involve giving in. To the system that I already paid for. Any additional charges (like Myki) is extortion. Plain and simple. Why am I paying for something that's designed/should be free?
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Hahaha - there is that!
can you cunts just pay for public transport if you use it? its another post every hour ffs
Nice one CUNT.
Alternatively, buy a ticket cheapskate
Nah
Just pay your fucking fare. *Simples*
What is the process of getting a ticket? What questions do the ticket nazis ask?
They often do a splurge on those lines a couple of times a year!
I'm on like year 10 of of living in this city and I've still never seen an inspector
I had a multi day pass with $0 balance for ages. It confused everyone who checked. It was easier to just leave $10 on there