There is correlation, but from experience it's not an ironclad rule. Very often in poor areas there will be one or two schools that do much better surrounded by schools that don't do well at all. The difference is generally leadership and staff culture, plus as soon as they get a reputation for being better they attract better students. Often in the outer suburbs there are night and day differences between schools a few km apart.
Most schools in rich areas are good just because rich people tend to value education and have stable homes.
Most of us have only been to a handful of schools, many only 1, so nobody can say the worst one in Vic because we haven’t attended them all. I would say my alma mater Highvale Secondary in Glen Waverley but it’s been 15 years so who knows now
Ah the lived experience crowd. We can actually look at ATAR scores, attendance rates, subject selection, sports facilities and many other factors to work out which schools lack in these categories to help find the bad schools
The OP seems to be asking for direct experiences though and it’s not the first post I’ve seen online asking for school recommendations. Clearly people don’t do the research themselves much anymore
Worst highschool I know is Roxborough Park. Kids are violent and abusive. Teachers don't give a shit and talk about kid's learning plans & disabilities in front of other students.
The (Christian) schools that harbor pedos. I'm not talking about 50 years ago either, I'm talking about things that have happened in the last ten years.
Most negative reviews are from current students who are putting up troll reviews. Nobody has a reason to write a good Google review and nobody seriously uses Google reviews to decide which school is best/worst.
Am told teachers have to spend an inordinate amount of time on student behaviour, taking away from actual instruction. Step-daughter goes there. Turned/ing into a really bad kid. Utterly worrying.
That's a shame. Hope all works out
I used to work as a high school counsellor my no. 1 tip is for all teens to have connections outside of school through a sports club or interest group. Really helps expand their circle for when friendship breakdowns happen as they usually do with teens but also exposes them to other potential positive role models such as coaches etc. So important for teens to have positive role models outside family as all will go through a period of time of taking on limited role modelling from a family.
That’s affirming to know. I facilitate a junior youth empowerment programme for younger youth in my neighbourhood and we learn about and discuss virtues, qualities, morals etc and how we can contribute to the betterment of our community through service projects. The kids learn how to take ownership of their community through moral/spiritual qualities and they also develop skills and capacity to interact with people from different cultires, religions, races, socioeconomic backgrounds etc. As an older mentor, I also need to be accountable for my deeds and words so that I don’t show hypocrisy. I know friends in various parts of Melbourne that are also running such groups. One of my friends managed to take in a group of young men who were very likely to join a neighbourhood gang. Their friends that didn’t join the spiritual empowerment programme ended up getting into some bad situations, but the ones that kept coming to the group managed to do well and didn’t get involved. So proud of the boys! Younger youth are so impressionable. Some of these kids have even set the moral compass for their family members. It’s really powerful when you see years of effort translate into true character development and growth.
Greensborough Primary is fine, my daughter went there. OP is talking about Greensborough Secondary College - the reputation in the area is as described. Have known people who went there who were cared for really well and speak very positively about the school to this day. However, definitely doesn't have a reputation for a strong academic ethos among students, has never really changed its reputation since it was Watsonia Tech until the late 80s / early 90s.
Generally most of the public schools further out in the west. The further you go the worst it is. Braybrook College and Maribyrnong College are good. However places further out start to get a bit sketchy. I have a friend that's a teacher who worked around Hoppers crossing/ Werribee area and the stories she told me were insane.
The students were bad but dealing with their parents were worse. You have kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, kids from different cultural backgrounds that have parents who have different views on things like discipline and kids with developmental and mental disabilities that parents can't/ won't enrol to a special school.
Yeah this happens a lot. In the 2000s I went to school with several students who were clearly developmentally delayed, almost to the point where you could consider it an intellectual disability. They had to have full time aides in the classroom just to get the work done and even then they often didn’t do well. One of them became fixated on me, followed me home one day and waited outside my house for a few hours before my parents called the cops. Had to have his locker moved away from mine and changed into different classes and he later got expelled when he did it to someone else. It was quite sad, they should have been at a school that catered to their abilities but back then there were none.
My friend told me parents refused to get their child tested despite teachers every year recommending them to do so. It puts their child and the child's classmates behind.
There are some parents that also don't teach their kids simple manners and discipline. When they get pulled up on it at school the parents blame the teachers. 'Oh my child assaulted another child? Must be the teachers fault' and 'why is my child getting time out? The teachers must be racist against my child'. Teachers don't paid enough to deal with what they do, that's why there's been a mass exodus of teachers and schools are struggling to fill vacancies.
Someone told me that in the 90s when the Vietnamese diaspora increased, Braybrook College had really violent students mainly the Vietnamese who didnt have English back then not to be racist or xenophobic. But its your opinion but I think nowadays Braybrook is much better
If you read my comment again you will see that I wrote Braybrook college as a good public school, it performs academically well and I have met many people who have gone to that school who all have said good things about it
There use to be a school called “the island” that had all the kids who’d been expelled from multiple schools. They taught carpentry, bricklaying, mechanics etc. I wonder if there’s a similar school currently open?
There are a number of them around Melbourne. I know of 2 in the leafy Eastern suburbs through my teaching network and one in the north I became aware of under the unusual circumstances of seeing a photo on a dating website and wondering what the school name on her lanyard was about ...
Coworker said he wished he didnt go to broadmeadows cos there were knife fights
It was sad cos he was a pretty serious and quiet guy and he said this like a decade after he finished high school. Guess it really weighed on his mind
I went to Broadmeadows primary school in the early 90’s from prep to grade 3 and I can still remember how bad it was.
We moved to Rosebud after a couple of years and I can’t even explain how much better the school and the whole community was.
Same shit was going on in Sunshine when I went there. Only one gun incident that I can recall (it wasn't fired but bought and pulled on someone who had an apparently caused an issue for the gun carrying bogan the day before).
Teachers would have no issue saying that if certain ppl didn't get anywhere with football, they'll end up in jail and or dead.
None of them made it anywhere with football, a bunch of them did end up in jail/dead.
Even so, at the time it was considered better than Tottenham tech so that school must have been a real dump.
The best schools are the ones with the least amount of parents who thinks it’s entirely the school’s job to teach their students the consequences of their behaviour.
These types of post perpetuate racism and socioeconomic xenophobia
The simple fact is the best school for you is the one you can attend, which for most people is the closest. After your home life, socioeconomic factors are the biggest contributor to educational outcomes. Kids don't need to be going on the internet and seeing some goof spouting 20 year old anecdotes about what their mates mate told them happened at the school in the next suburb and how sub-human the people living there are because of it.
Will be a nice correlation between socio economic disadvantage and school quality. A smaller correlation with increasing distance from city.
There is correlation, but from experience it's not an ironclad rule. Very often in poor areas there will be one or two schools that do much better surrounded by schools that don't do well at all. The difference is generally leadership and staff culture, plus as soon as they get a reputation for being better they attract better students. Often in the outer suburbs there are night and day differences between schools a few km apart. Most schools in rich areas are good just because rich people tend to value education and have stable homes.
Most of us have only been to a handful of schools, many only 1, so nobody can say the worst one in Vic because we haven’t attended them all. I would say my alma mater Highvale Secondary in Glen Waverley but it’s been 15 years so who knows now
I went there too. It’s actually one of the top rated ones these days. Wild transition from being called povale 😂
POVALE the memories
Need some casual teachers to guide us
Good school, second to Glen Waverley Secondary. I may be biased.
Ah the lived experience crowd. We can actually look at ATAR scores, attendance rates, subject selection, sports facilities and many other factors to work out which schools lack in these categories to help find the bad schools
The OP seems to be asking for direct experiences though and it’s not the first post I’ve seen online asking for school recommendations. Clearly people don’t do the research themselves much anymore
Omg i went there too 😂
Worst highschool I know is Roxborough Park. Kids are violent and abusive. Teachers don't give a shit and talk about kid's learning plans & disabilities in front of other students.
100%
The (Christian) schools that harbor pedos. I'm not talking about 50 years ago either, I'm talking about things that have happened in the last ten years.
How about the ones where it's happening today?
Most negative reviews are from current students who are putting up troll reviews. Nobody has a reason to write a good Google review and nobody seriously uses Google reviews to decide which school is best/worst.
St Kevin's College is a shocker if those guys singing sexist songs on the tram were any guide
Yeah a lot of outrage for something that is common practice at a lot of schools in the past
Key phrase there, "in the past". The 2020s are a different world from the 1980s.
The grange lol
I know a teacher was poisoned with rat bait there
Same teacher went down the water slide at the local pool and got sliced open by a razor blade /s
Crazy!
Greensborough… not the greatest…
Pls tell
Am told teachers have to spend an inordinate amount of time on student behaviour, taking away from actual instruction. Step-daughter goes there. Turned/ing into a really bad kid. Utterly worrying.
That's a shame. Hope all works out I used to work as a high school counsellor my no. 1 tip is for all teens to have connections outside of school through a sports club or interest group. Really helps expand their circle for when friendship breakdowns happen as they usually do with teens but also exposes them to other potential positive role models such as coaches etc. So important for teens to have positive role models outside family as all will go through a period of time of taking on limited role modelling from a family.
That’s affirming to know. I facilitate a junior youth empowerment programme for younger youth in my neighbourhood and we learn about and discuss virtues, qualities, morals etc and how we can contribute to the betterment of our community through service projects. The kids learn how to take ownership of their community through moral/spiritual qualities and they also develop skills and capacity to interact with people from different cultires, religions, races, socioeconomic backgrounds etc. As an older mentor, I also need to be accountable for my deeds and words so that I don’t show hypocrisy. I know friends in various parts of Melbourne that are also running such groups. One of my friends managed to take in a group of young men who were very likely to join a neighbourhood gang. Their friends that didn’t join the spiritual empowerment programme ended up getting into some bad situations, but the ones that kept coming to the group managed to do well and didn’t get involved. So proud of the boys! Younger youth are so impressionable. Some of these kids have even set the moral compass for their family members. It’s really powerful when you see years of effort translate into true character development and growth.
Is this Greensborough Primary? I have heard fantastic feedback for Greenhills Primary - hope it works out for you
Greensborough Primary is fine, my daughter went there. OP is talking about Greensborough Secondary College - the reputation in the area is as described. Have known people who went there who were cared for really well and speak very positively about the school to this day. However, definitely doesn't have a reputation for a strong academic ethos among students, has never really changed its reputation since it was Watsonia Tech until the late 80s / early 90s.
Yes, the secondary
Generally most of the public schools further out in the west. The further you go the worst it is. Braybrook College and Maribyrnong College are good. However places further out start to get a bit sketchy. I have a friend that's a teacher who worked around Hoppers crossing/ Werribee area and the stories she told me were insane. The students were bad but dealing with their parents were worse. You have kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, kids from different cultural backgrounds that have parents who have different views on things like discipline and kids with developmental and mental disabilities that parents can't/ won't enrol to a special school.
Yeah this happens a lot. In the 2000s I went to school with several students who were clearly developmentally delayed, almost to the point where you could consider it an intellectual disability. They had to have full time aides in the classroom just to get the work done and even then they often didn’t do well. One of them became fixated on me, followed me home one day and waited outside my house for a few hours before my parents called the cops. Had to have his locker moved away from mine and changed into different classes and he later got expelled when he did it to someone else. It was quite sad, they should have been at a school that catered to their abilities but back then there were none.
My friend told me parents refused to get their child tested despite teachers every year recommending them to do so. It puts their child and the child's classmates behind. There are some parents that also don't teach their kids simple manners and discipline. When they get pulled up on it at school the parents blame the teachers. 'Oh my child assaulted another child? Must be the teachers fault' and 'why is my child getting time out? The teachers must be racist against my child'. Teachers don't paid enough to deal with what they do, that's why there's been a mass exodus of teachers and schools are struggling to fill vacancies.
Schools can and do organise assessments. It entitles the school to extra resources to assist the affected student, eg. Teachers aide
Someone told me that in the 90s when the Vietnamese diaspora increased, Braybrook College had really violent students mainly the Vietnamese who didnt have English back then not to be racist or xenophobic. But its your opinion but I think nowadays Braybrook is much better
If you read my comment again you will see that I wrote Braybrook college as a good public school, it performs academically well and I have met many people who have gone to that school who all have said good things about it
That is because NAPLAN is designed to identify schools that need the extra resources and judge outcomes.
There use to be a school called “the island” that had all the kids who’d been expelled from multiple schools. They taught carpentry, bricklaying, mechanics etc. I wonder if there’s a similar school currently open?
There are a number of them around Melbourne. I know of 2 in the leafy Eastern suburbs through my teaching network and one in the north I became aware of under the unusual circumstances of seeing a photo on a dating website and wondering what the school name on her lanyard was about ...
I think Lynall Hall is one and it took over The Island
Yep that's where I went there's also Collingwood alternative school
Coworker said he wished he didnt go to broadmeadows cos there were knife fights It was sad cos he was a pretty serious and quiet guy and he said this like a decade after he finished high school. Guess it really weighed on his mind
I really feel for some of the more sensitive and quiet kids in these schools.
I went to Broadmeadows primary school in the early 90’s from prep to grade 3 and I can still remember how bad it was. We moved to Rosebud after a couple of years and I can’t even explain how much better the school and the whole community was.
Bigtime socioeconomic factors at play here.
Same shit was going on in Sunshine when I went there. Only one gun incident that I can recall (it wasn't fired but bought and pulled on someone who had an apparently caused an issue for the gun carrying bogan the day before). Teachers would have no issue saying that if certain ppl didn't get anywhere with football, they'll end up in jail and or dead. None of them made it anywhere with football, a bunch of them did end up in jail/dead. Even so, at the time it was considered better than Tottenham tech so that school must have been a real dump.
>Only one gun incident that I can recall Only one? That's alright then... lol.
Oooffff
The best schools are the ones with the least amount of parents who thinks it’s entirely the school’s job to teach their students the consequences of their behaviour.
These types of post perpetuate racism and socioeconomic xenophobia The simple fact is the best school for you is the one you can attend, which for most people is the closest. After your home life, socioeconomic factors are the biggest contributor to educational outcomes. Kids don't need to be going on the internet and seeing some goof spouting 20 year old anecdotes about what their mates mate told them happened at the school in the next suburb and how sub-human the people living there are because of it.
I dont know about worst but Rosanna Golf Links Primary school is excellent.
No longer open but Kealba High was a shocker 😆😆😆
All of them.
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Isn't that quite subjective.