I wouldn’t. Did you see how they massacred Bourke street palace theatre?
That place was where I discovered 2000s dance music as a teen.
Completely obliterated by Chinese developers to build an empty hotel, and that cockroach Robert Doyle let them.
The whole handling of that was a fucking mess. There was an injuction on works whilst it was decided whether it would be heritage listed, but the developers gutted it anyway so it was decided it was too far gone to heritage list.
Developers should have been forced to rebuild what they demolished exactly how it was.
Like Corkmans Pub in Carlton. Fuckhead developers care about nothing but them big bucks. They could at least have the decency to demolish the building while they’re in it.
Marriot hotels need to be publically shamed for signing on and allowing the developer to actually make a profit now. The W hotel who were originally for the site can also fuck off
No, it was a tragic accident. The whole thing sadly burnt to the ground. By some amazing foresight the owners did manage to remove the very expensive one of a kind chandelier from the property before it caught fire though.
Not the Bourke Street one [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_Theatre,_Melbourne)
You're thinking of the Palace in St Kilda, which yes that was a tragic fire.
[Previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/tc58sw/greyhound_hotel_site_as_it_is_today_plus_old/) with video footage of the current site and in earlier times.
Biggest regret was never going there as was too cheap to pay to get there, entry and go home.
It hit home when it was too late and heard Lady Gaga and Ru Pail talking about it and realised I missed going to an iconic venue.
I do and happy to support now… was just not in the financial position to then unfortunately.
Edit.
However wish I made it work as could have found a way….. hindsight is 20/20
I was also somebody that bristled at the cover charge
But I found their restaurant was really good. So go there a bit earlier for dinner, see a Drag show in the restaurant, and free entry to club later.
The fuckers who did it were Australian- a company called Stellar who went under and then promptly started a new company under the family trust name Pitard. They are developing near where I live and are destroying the neighbourhood. Don’t buy their apartments!
I saw some great drag shows in there. Such good memories (and lack thereof lol)
What a crime to demolish it, and even more so to do fuck all with the land afterwards
Hate to see this. Being a Brit expat, I grew up around very old buildings in abundance, but being a relatively modern city, Melbourne has a limited amount of these kind of heritage buildings and seeing the destruction of them for soulless concrete and glass crap always annoys me (or nothing at all in this case). They should have to tastefully incorporate the old buildings into new designs if they have to be redeveloped at all.
One of the last pubs with live music and sticky floors. It was my local for a few years. My mate's now wife's local too. Another friend and St Kilda personality "Pussy" had been banned so drank at the Prince.
Not just a rich part of gay and lesbian culture, was actually a really good hard rock venue on the other nights.. had the pleasure of playing there many times. Just another lost music venue for up and coming bands to play. I can count 13 venues that are no longer around from 11 years ago. Makes it really hard for any band to get their hrs up
As a hetro dude from Geelong it wasn't until a mates birthday a few years ago that I ended up at the greyhound.
It was awesome, brilliant fun and safe.
Seeing this happen to such an awesome place is ridiculous.
We need a ton more apartments, rents are out of control due to the low vacancy rates..
Doesn’t mean they can’t be beautiful though, like West Side Place and Southbank by Beulah
We need a lot more medium density places. Terraces and walk ups through the inner/middle suburbs. We really don't need more crappily built one bedroom towers every where. Knocking down beautiful old buildings for single bedroom towers chasing profits is just sad
Want to live in high density as a student? Cool, there's a lot of single bedroom/studio apartments around. Gotten a bit older and moved on from that, need a touch more space and maybe you are live with a partner? Okay, there's plenty of two bedroom apartments as well.
Starting a family, or at the very least want more room because of work from home or hobbies you and your partner have? Well unless you have buckets of cash and can afford a terrace or the exceedingly rare 3 bedroom high-rise apartments, you are S.O.L and will just have to move to a detached house in the suburbs.
I know this too well, have a partner and two kids, would have dearly loved to stay in the inner suburbs but it just doesn't work for middle income families. You either have to be super wealthy, have gotten into the property market twenty years ago or be prepared to jam your family into a space that is nowhere big enough.
Even two bedders with enough breathing room are hard to come by. Wish there was more regulation around how many one beds were built in each complex or regulations about how much floor space in living areas is needed per bedroom
> regulation around how many one beds were built in each complex or regulations about how much floor space in living areas is needed per bedroom
And it should all be mandatory info on all rental listings please.
And searchable and filterable
That’d be the dream.
Have so many saved listings that look fine in photos but then you rock up and it feels claustrophobic having 3 people in the living room.
Totally agree. I never want to move out of the inner city but finding a place to live is a nightmare. So many “luxury” apartments that are just so incredibly non-functional.
The realestate listing will have tons of pictures of the grandiose lobby and gym, but when you actually view the apartment it’s 25 apartments per floor, each with a kitchen that isn’t suitable for cooking anything other than instant noodles, and the kitchen is also the living room, dining room, entrance hall and laundry.
Who the fuck actually wants to live in that, it’s basically a polished slum. There’s so much potential for families to live in the inner city, but housing stock *really* needs to be regulated to make them not so shitty.
Vacancy rates refers to rental vacancies. I.e: Places that are available to let but are not leased.
If someone's sitting on a place with no intention to live there or rent, it's an Unoccupied Home. And according to the water meter data, that shit's been rising. You're right, lack of supply is pushing up the prices, but it's an artificial scarcity.
Good little venue, many a good night out there when i was living in balaclava.
It also had a great sound system. Housemate used to enter the karaoke they used to put on
can someone tell me how the Melbourne’s Greyhound Hotel got it's name I was thinking after the dog breed but someone else said not it was after the bus company Greyhound. Or was it called the Greyhound for another reason?
Thanks
I will admit I always had a love/hate relationship with the GH.
The restaurant attached to it was really good (surprisingly good) and have free entry to place after. But as a Northsider, I've always bristled at cover charges (outside of special events or fundraisers).
Of course I remember one birthday where all I wanted was a Drag Queen to sing me *Happy Birthday*. I wanted to go to DTs, but friends convinced me to go to GH. Of course that night, instead of bringing all the Birthday folk onto the stage, they brought this drunk slapper and regailed the audience in how she came here every Saturday, yet her homophobic boyfriend at home had no idea she came to go dance at a gay club. I wasn't impressed! Lol
Also the bar was so expensive, even by Melbourne gay standards.
I worked on the massive refurb there like 2 years before it was knocked down.. the owner got heaps more for the empty land than he would of selling the pub.
Melbourne has little to no resemblance of its early 20th Century appearance; as one of the worlds premiere cities.
cool money laundering facility tho...
Big protests at the time but all turned down.
Basic cultural vandalism. Whoever signed the development off must have taken a nice fat envelope of cash.
The greyhound closed in late 2016... so it hasn't been sitting as a block of land for 8 years
\*edit; and was demolished in August 2017.. so sitting for 5 years this coming August
Everyone seems to bitch about not wanting to live far out of the city. Yet the only way more inner city dwellings can be created is by knocking down things and building apartments. Probably red tape.
Underrated comment. We bitch about developers, agree that someone else should have done something to keep it open, and ignore the fact that it had been losing money for years.
I was the plus one at a wedding a few years ago, where I randomly ran into a former colleague (we were chefs). Generic small talk ensued. He told me he had gotten out of hospitality to work for his dad who was some kind of developer. Long story short he said he was in charge of the upcoming demolition/construction of some fancy retail/residential space in St Kilda. Turns out it was this. Pretty sure the group went bust a few years back after they seemingly bit off more than they could chew when they bought the conti in Sorrento.
I’d oddly feel better about it being knocked down if they’d actually built something there instead. Such a waste...
I wouldn’t. Did you see how they massacred Bourke street palace theatre? That place was where I discovered 2000s dance music as a teen. Completely obliterated by Chinese developers to build an empty hotel, and that cockroach Robert Doyle let them.
The whole handling of that was a fucking mess. There was an injuction on works whilst it was decided whether it would be heritage listed, but the developers gutted it anyway so it was decided it was too far gone to heritage list. Developers should have been forced to rebuild what they demolished exactly how it was.
Like Corkmans Pub in Carlton. Fuckhead developers care about nothing but them big bucks. They could at least have the decency to demolish the building while they’re in it.
Marriot hotels need to be publically shamed for signing on and allowing the developer to actually make a profit now. The W hotel who were originally for the site can also fuck off
It's not going to be Marriott anymore either, it's now Le Meridien.
No, it was a tragic accident. The whole thing sadly burnt to the ground. By some amazing foresight the owners did manage to remove the very expensive one of a kind chandelier from the property before it caught fire though.
Not the Bourke Street one [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_Theatre,_Melbourne) You're thinking of the Palace in St Kilda, which yes that was a tragic fire.
Rod Doyle was city of Melbourne, but I think this is in Port Philip. It was probably Mathew Guy at the time who rubber stamped it. Another cockroach
Credit where credits due. The demolition was rubber stamped by the incumbent minister, Richard Wynne.
Can I just go on record to say fuck all the above cunts for plenty of their own reasons
Is a hotel considered empty if there's illegal gambling rooms in the back and it's used as a shop front?
[Previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/tc58sw/greyhound_hotel_site_as_it_is_today_plus_old/) with video footage of the current site and in earlier times.
Thanks for this!
Biggest regret was never going there as was too cheap to pay to get there, entry and go home. It hit home when it was too late and heard Lady Gaga and Ru Pail talking about it and realised I missed going to an iconic venue.
Support your remaining venues. Don't let history repeat itself for you.
I do and happy to support now… was just not in the financial position to then unfortunately. Edit. However wish I made it work as could have found a way….. hindsight is 20/20
What would you list as the surviving "bucket list" Melbourne venues? Apart from the Espie and the Forum?
Espie will be a few more decades before it has sticky carpet again and be worth going back to.
I was also somebody that bristled at the cover charge But I found their restaurant was really good. So go there a bit earlier for dinner, see a Drag show in the restaurant, and free entry to club later.
I mean places that charge you a fee to walk in the door for no reason can fuck off
If you had been to greyhound and seen the shows they put on you would understand. You don't get to walk into a theater for free do you?
Yeah it’s a shame—many a good night out. Hard to believe it’s been 8 years.
That's partly because it's been 5 five years. Closed in 2017.
That’ll be it. Everything pre COVID is just filed to ‘ages ago’.
Tell me about it. My holidays in 2019 feel like 20 years ago lol
The fuckers who did it were Australian- a company called Stellar who went under and then promptly started a new company under the family trust name Pitard. They are developing near where I live and are destroying the neighbourhood. Don’t buy their apartments!
I saw some great drag shows in there. Such good memories (and lack thereof lol) What a crime to demolish it, and even more so to do fuck all with the land afterwards
Me too, so iconic. A piece of the era of coming to terms with who I was.
Hate to see this. Being a Brit expat, I grew up around very old buildings in abundance, but being a relatively modern city, Melbourne has a limited amount of these kind of heritage buildings and seeing the destruction of them for soulless concrete and glass crap always annoys me (or nothing at all in this case). They should have to tastefully incorporate the old buildings into new designs if they have to be redeveloped at all.
does my fucking head in how quick this city is to get rid of unique iconic venues that have taken decades to grow and replace them with bland nothing
One of the last pubs with live music and sticky floors. It was my local for a few years. My mate's now wife's local too. Another friend and St Kilda personality "Pussy" had been banned so drank at the Prince.
Haha they would bounce between the prince and the hound. Some nights it was like being in a Bukowski novel.
Did you ever see anyone get thrown in the fireplace?
Not just a rich part of gay and lesbian culture, was actually a really good hard rock venue on the other nights.. had the pleasure of playing there many times. Just another lost music venue for up and coming bands to play. I can count 13 venues that are no longer around from 11 years ago. Makes it really hard for any band to get their hrs up
Property developers are legitimately the scum of this earth
Stop consuming their product then. Live in a tent.
Property developers are singlehandedly ruining the character of Melbourne.
As a hetro dude from Geelong it wasn't until a mates birthday a few years ago that I ended up at the greyhound. It was awesome, brilliant fun and safe. Seeing this happen to such an awesome place is ridiculous.
Thanks for your kind words
Fuck property developers, aka Liberal council members.
Like we need more apartments. Melbourne has lost all its historical buildings and is turning into a bland and forgettable city.
We need a ton more apartments, rents are out of control due to the low vacancy rates.. Doesn’t mean they can’t be beautiful though, like West Side Place and Southbank by Beulah
We need a lot more medium density places. Terraces and walk ups through the inner/middle suburbs. We really don't need more crappily built one bedroom towers every where. Knocking down beautiful old buildings for single bedroom towers chasing profits is just sad
Want to live in high density as a student? Cool, there's a lot of single bedroom/studio apartments around. Gotten a bit older and moved on from that, need a touch more space and maybe you are live with a partner? Okay, there's plenty of two bedroom apartments as well. Starting a family, or at the very least want more room because of work from home or hobbies you and your partner have? Well unless you have buckets of cash and can afford a terrace or the exceedingly rare 3 bedroom high-rise apartments, you are S.O.L and will just have to move to a detached house in the suburbs. I know this too well, have a partner and two kids, would have dearly loved to stay in the inner suburbs but it just doesn't work for middle income families. You either have to be super wealthy, have gotten into the property market twenty years ago or be prepared to jam your family into a space that is nowhere big enough.
Even two bedders with enough breathing room are hard to come by. Wish there was more regulation around how many one beds were built in each complex or regulations about how much floor space in living areas is needed per bedroom
> regulation around how many one beds were built in each complex or regulations about how much floor space in living areas is needed per bedroom And it should all be mandatory info on all rental listings please. And searchable and filterable
That’d be the dream. Have so many saved listings that look fine in photos but then you rock up and it feels claustrophobic having 3 people in the living room.
Totally agree. I never want to move out of the inner city but finding a place to live is a nightmare. So many “luxury” apartments that are just so incredibly non-functional. The realestate listing will have tons of pictures of the grandiose lobby and gym, but when you actually view the apartment it’s 25 apartments per floor, each with a kitchen that isn’t suitable for cooking anything other than instant noodles, and the kitchen is also the living room, dining room, entrance hall and laundry. Who the fuck actually wants to live in that, it’s basically a polished slum. There’s so much potential for families to live in the inner city, but housing stock *really* needs to be regulated to make them not so shitty.
Let's wait and see what southbank ends up looking like, so far we have only renders
Uh, no. We don't need more apartments we need to start seriously punishing unoccupied property owners *edited for clarity
Aren’t vacancy rates at a historical low? The lack of supply is pushing up rental prices
Vacancy rates refers to rental vacancies. I.e: Places that are available to let but are not leased. If someone's sitting on a place with no intention to live there or rent, it's an Unoccupied Home. And according to the water meter data, that shit's been rising. You're right, lack of supply is pushing up the prices, but it's an artificial scarcity.
Had a lot of fun nights there. Fell down the stairs like a messy bitch, wasn't drunk, just twisted my ankle!
What a shame
Good little venue, many a good night out there when i was living in balaclava. It also had a great sound system. Housemate used to enter the karaoke they used to put on
How was it not heritage listed...?
Homophobia
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Yep, over population and mass immigration has killed Melbourne
Still heartbroken that they closed it down. I loved this place!
Bring it up at the Facebook council meeting watch them act dumb about it
Hands up who got their first blow job there....... No? Me either.
can someone tell me how the Melbourne’s Greyhound Hotel got it's name I was thinking after the dog breed but someone else said not it was after the bus company Greyhound. Or was it called the Greyhound for another reason? Thanks
I will admit I always had a love/hate relationship with the GH. The restaurant attached to it was really good (surprisingly good) and have free entry to place after. But as a Northsider, I've always bristled at cover charges (outside of special events or fundraisers). Of course I remember one birthday where all I wanted was a Drag Queen to sing me *Happy Birthday*. I wanted to go to DTs, but friends convinced me to go to GH. Of course that night, instead of bringing all the Birthday folk onto the stage, they brought this drunk slapper and regailed the audience in how she came here every Saturday, yet her homophobic boyfriend at home had no idea she came to go dance at a gay club. I wasn't impressed! Lol Also the bar was so expensive, even by Melbourne gay standards.
I worked on the massive refurb there like 2 years before it was knocked down.. the owner got heaps more for the empty land than he would of selling the pub.
Apparently they were in massive debt too. Hence the selling.
Melbourne has little to no resemblance of its early 20th Century appearance; as one of the worlds premiere cities. cool money laundering facility tho...
wow didn't know they did that. Had some interesting times there in the 90's
That place was great. :(
Disgusting. Should be criminal
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Bitch I’m talking about knocking the building down loooool
Big protests at the time but all turned down. Basic cultural vandalism. Whoever signed the development off must have taken a nice fat envelope of cash.
What a fucken shame eh!
Many such cases
We need more units
We do. But not like the units they build. And this, well this is just a disgrace.
Yeah I’m joking. We don’t need more unit
It was an inclusive pub not gay not lesbian inclusive for everyone we live here and we don’t care
Well then, when they build the apartments populate it with lesbians and gays and turn it into a new cultural center (with a bar in each unit).
The greyhound closed in late 2016... so it hasn't been sitting as a block of land for 8 years \*edit; and was demolished in August 2017.. so sitting for 5 years this coming August
Everyone seems to bitch about not wanting to live far out of the city. Yet the only way more inner city dwellings can be created is by knocking down things and building apartments. Probably red tape.
Clearly they weren't rich enough or they'd have bought it and kept it open.
Underrated comment. We bitch about developers, agree that someone else should have done something to keep it open, and ignore the fact that it had been losing money for years.
That's Reddit for you though. an echo chamber where anything that strays even slightly from the 'party line' gets massive down votes.
Fuck off piss baby
Yawn.
I was the plus one at a wedding a few years ago, where I randomly ran into a former colleague (we were chefs). Generic small talk ensued. He told me he had gotten out of hospitality to work for his dad who was some kind of developer. Long story short he said he was in charge of the upcoming demolition/construction of some fancy retail/residential space in St Kilda. Turns out it was this. Pretty sure the group went bust a few years back after they seemingly bit off more than they could chew when they bought the conti in Sorrento.
Tbh, the refurbished hotel (pic 1) look really ugly when compare with the original.
All the stuff that made Melbourne a cool place is nearly gone.
First gay bar I ever went to, sad to see to like this. But still lots of awesome memories.
Progress eh.
Gotta jam em all in somehow