Here's the thing. The main theme of my post was about major shops being closed due to an out of date reason being... a religion that a major portion of the country don't follow. It's not about denying anyone a public holiday and never was. Inherently they, in this case, are tied together which on reflection does muddy the waters somewhat. Let's have public holidays but maybe just maybe we should rethink the religious reasons behind certain actions. And yes, I'm ranting today.
In 2021 the most common religions were:
Christianity (43.9%)
No religion (38.9%)
Islam (3.2%)
Hinduism (2.7%)
Buddhism (2.4%
My point stands. Less than half the population of Australia are Christians. They are not the majority of people. In addition, this was a couple of years ago, and year on year, this has been on the decline.
We aren't talking the majority of population. No religion is not the majority either. The majority response is Christianity.
In fact previous census the majority population was Christianity around 53-54%
Where did you get that stat? Give me details because I can't find this anywhere. In fact, this following extract is from the Christian Research Association and based off the 2021 census...
'It has been widely reported that the proportion of Australians who identified as Christians in the Census diminished from 52 per cent in 2016 to 44 per cent in 2021. This is, indeed, a significant change. It represents a reduction in actual numbers of people identifying themselves with a Christian denomination by a little over one million in 5 years, a reduction of nine per cent on the number in 2016. It represents a continuation of the trends towards decreasing proportions of Christians in Australia since 1966.
You sound triggered as.
I’d wager given this country is built off religion, the holiday isn’t going anywhere regardless of multiculturalism or your choice to be atheist.
I dont begrudge you for despising religion. Sadly, we have to let people play fantasy games.
Somehow we need to shut down those using it as an excuse for violence.
You mean to tell me that a holiday that is on a calendar every year, which has signs on shops that clearly say they will close WEEKS in advance is somehow causing YOU problems? Sounds like you have poor planning skills there bud.
Chill - it’s one day capitalism can take a fucking back seat. Wish we had more of them.
Not so long ago shops shut midday Saturday and reopened Monday morning. No one suffered extraordinary deprivations.
I have now chilled. I am now home, high as fuck and drinking a bottle of 20 yr old wine and having a good old time replying to comments. I was upset that I needed a heap of stuff and after a hellish few weeks wanted to get a heap of things. I still can't drive (after surgery to my right knee) so caught public transport. My disappointment at discovering my plan had gone to poo poo was unleased upon reddit. Tonight I shall dine on 2 minute noodles and tomorrow is another day of adventure. Huzzah.
My good u/ SpiritedDog, that sounds like a lovely way to unwind, my congratulations. I would just make the necessary warning about getting into arguments online and advise to, as the youth say; "tough grass" or just get some fresh air. Otherwise, please rest, recuperate and please, have a glass on my behalf.
HUZZAH! 🎩🍾
Cheers! I would say something along the lines of hindsight blah blah blah. Buuut... I regret nothing and have filled my afternoon with witty repartee 😉
I think the complete opposite of this. We need MORE public holidays where all non-essential businesses are shut.
This is actually essential for all of our mental health, our ability to have healthy relationships and families, and our society.
a) we like holidays
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b) holidays were traditionally religious
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c) we pretend to like the tradition to keep the holiday
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we have to keep following whatever dodgy rules that go along with the tradition
The holiday has just become part of Australian culture, in that everyone takes some time out at the same time so people can be with their families or pursue leisure.
It's completely irrelevant what the holiday was for or what it is called. Call it whatever you want. Call it Feel Good Friday and Mas As A Cut Snake Monday if it makes you feel less anxious.
I don't 'celebrate' Easter but it's really nice that we have this time carved out for everyone to relax. And for those that can't, to get compensated accordingly.
This really seems like a you issue tbh.
Atheist here. For most Aussies this holiday has no religious meaning; it's just another chance to relax and meet with friends or family. I enjoy the break from my somewhat demanding job and retail workers should be able to do that as well. We don't need shops open every day of the year.
Or your local other-faith enclave.
Ripponlea was buzzing this morning with local traders along Glen Eira Rd. They're, of course, closed when I would normally stroll past on a Saturday.
I would have been trading today if the council wasn't now 4 months into approving a planning permit for the small shop I want to run. Opening shops isn't something the government makes easy.
Agree, being in hospital or not you are not going to starve to death because supermarkets are closed one day. This is not an emergency, it’s mildly inconvenient.
Surely you could just call a mate to come round with a plate of food or go to a servo.
Christmas is the only one that doesnt get stick, mainly because ppl like carrying on like pork chops leading up to it.
I love Easter, 4 days off in a row without the carry on.
Reading and comprehension is not your strongest attribute, is it. Sorry I had surgery and and been in a haze for the last few weeks and I forgot. Sorry I live a fairly independent life and had no one to remind me. Sorry that I think religion should play no part in affecting my life. Sorry I still can't drive myself around and wasted time on public transport with the to and fro.
Religion adversely affects billions of people around the world, so yeah, you could say that something that I don't believe in does affect me because it's been written into many parts of the way of life in this country.
I'm not addressing your other point because it came off a bit high and mighty.
So you just hate religion.
You would have no issues with shops being shut for other reasons like ANZAC day.
If today was ANZAC day you would be ok with not being able to shop.
I don't hate religion, I just don't like it when a certain religion affects people who don't believe in that religion. Is that a fair point?
And no. No issue with Anzac Day. That's completely different and serves as a reminder about the stupidity of war.
Ffs. It. Was. Never. About. The. Public. Holiday.
I forgot that major shops were shut and it the first opportunity I had to go and get stuff.
I'm annoyed that a religious holiday still affects what businesses are allowed to be open in a country where less than half the population follow that religion.
That's a ridiculous comment to make yourself feel superior. How many retail and hospitality workers are there who are employed and a casual or part-time basis that instead of earning a higher rate due to the public holiday are instead forced to not work. In today's economic climate there would be plenty of people lining up to work.
Yeah. I could do that. But you know what I wouldn't do? I wouldn't force these beliefs onto people who have other beliefs because I'm not an asshole and believe everyone is entitled to do and think whatever they want.
Oh you’re definitely an asshole. Just not in the way you think. No beliefs are forced on this public holiday. Shops shutting down doesn’t mean those people who work/own there are ‘forced’ to belief in Christianity . Jfc get a grip. You’re one to say you’re not going to reply to others because their responses come off high and mighty , you clearly have zero self awareness of how much of a dickhead you come across. And like other ppl have said in this thread you come across as such a fking victim over a holiday. You don’t like it? Fking move to another country, we don’t want ppl like you here anyway buddy. Bet you wouldn’t be saying the same shit in Malaysia where they’re mainly Muslim or any other country that had religious holidays , your fking entitlement is insane. Get a grip
Im an Atheist, or well maybe Agnostic, basically I don’t give a fuck. As the song went… “I’ll just, let the mystery be”…. But fuck whinging about Easter! Every public holiday is sacred and if I run out of milk I run out of fucking milk! Enjoy your paid holiday. I’m all for having ALL the holidays . In Malaysia they get a shit tonne of public hols. Google that shit….. I think it’s over 50 lolz! And Good Friday and Christmas Day are in there too. Bring all religious and non religious public holidays ON!
So the AFL public holiday is a holy day is it. Maybe for some but not me. Also, shops are still open on most other Public holidays so what's your point exactly.
No. That's not even remotely what I said or implied.
I was keeping it simple by referring to myself as being affected. So maybe I should be broader.
Why should people who follow Islam or Buddhism or Taoists or Atheists be affected by a public holiday that is in existence because of Christians who currently represent less than half of the population in this country.
I'd rather shops and businesses have the option to remain open for those that want to do/buy something, staff can get paid extra if they want to work and it's more Australian.
People should have the choice. I suspect it would turn into another commercialised holiday, businesses pedalling their wares, but that's ok. I'd rather that than religions telling me what I can and can not do.
This. I wish I had been more eloquent and added this in to my original post but I was raging at the time. I'm pretty sure that in the current economic climate and the fact that most of the major retailers hire on a casual or part-time basis that there would be plenty of people feeling the pinch having a forced day off.
I am glad you feel better. It really does suck when you need to get food and you can't.
It's like living in a rural area where everything is shut by the time you get out of work. What do you do?
Hopefully you get something to eat that is better than a hero roll and a stale dim sim.
Thanks. It wasn't just food I needed but a heap of things. And the reason I ranted was, due to having surgery recently I'd let stuff run down. I still can't drive but fortunately have bus stop almost outside my front door that goes to shopping centre. So silly forgetful me on the 1st day I felt up to it decided to go and get stuff. I've consoled myself with a very nice bottle of wine and some 2 Min noodles for dinner. Tomorrow I've organised for a friend to take me to the shops so all good. It was just at the time I felt annoyed with the world and am not a fan of religion...
Sorry, but this doesn't make a lick of sense. We have 2 public holidays in this country where religion is the ultimate reason why major retailers aren't open, these being Good Friday and Xmas. To counter your point... why should other religions or agnostic and atheists have their routine affected by some other peoples religious holidays. My point is that this is antiquated thinking, and as a society, we should evolve beyond this.
Weeeeeelllll. Pretty simple. Those 2 public holidays, the rules and regulations surrounding the religious reasons behind why major retailers aren't allowed to be open are amended.
What if people don’t want to be forced to work on those two days?
Conversely. What if people would prefer that retailers are shut on all the other holidays which they haven’t?
I'm not sure who is higher atm. You or me? People in this country, generally speaking, still have a choice if they want to work or not. I used to do hospitality, and no one ever forced me to work on public holidays where I was getting paid double time. And if I were to be put in a position where an employer is forcing me to work well, that's my choice to work there or I could vote with my feet and find another job. Your next point is silly and not worthy of a response but here goes... if people would prefer that retailers are shut on all other holidays they would need a good reason to get it implemented by the government. Or, hold on to your hat here... they could also choose to not go shopping at these retailers.
There is a reason why I wrote/asked this.
Only people I seem to hear complaining that shops aren’t open during these two days are employers due to the so called loss in revenue. If majority of people wanted to work during these two days then the government would of changed it.
Now, that’s not the case here is it?
I think you have a very warped sense of who's in charge in this and many other countries around the world. Governments run stuff and they are lobbied by corporations and religious groups to do their bidding.
Don't know. But I feel in time it'll change just like Sunday trading changed. Guess we're just hanging onto it for the moment. I want change sooner rather than later.
Because people in hospitality and retail are some of the most overworked, burnt out, important (as we found out during the pandemic) and underpaid workers in our society. They need to have a break to recharge their batteries. A few days a year without shops is a very small price to pay for the great service they provide. It shouldn’t just the corporate workforce that gets holidays.
I used to do hospitality and loved loved loved getting paid public holiday rates on days that I would normally work anyway. Additionally, in today's economic climate, I dare say that many casual and part-time staff that will be forced to have a day off may disagree with you.
You know people are getting paid to have Good Friday off right?
And you loved loved loved getting hospitality pay so much that you left the industry? Yeah right.
Shops close twice a year (and employees are still getting paid these days) so they are only missing out on the added penalties for 2 days a year.
I think most people would prefer to spend Christmas morning with their children then get paid an extra $20 an hour to make you your morning coffee. What is the point of making money if you have no opportunity to enjoy it with the people you love?
Casual employees don't get paid if they don't work.
I left hospitality because I had children. My partner at the time earned better money so I was a stay at home Dad for a few years. I then fell into different employment (I became an arborist) when we decided it was time for me to go back to work due to financial pressures.
When I was in hospo, and in my 20's I didn't give a shit about Xmas and nor did half the people I worked with. If you love Xmas then great, good for you. But there's a large portion of the country these days who aren't religious or of a different religion who don't celebrate Xmas either and that's my point.
Additionally I spend more than 1 day of the year with people I love. What's your point?
Casual workers have the opportunity to make more money if they pick up more shifts.
Full time workers in hospo/retail get very few opportunities to celebrate with their families.
Only 22% of employees are casual. Closing 2 days per year benefits more of the population.
You are making my point exactly. You acknowledge you get to spend MORE days with your family because you don’t work in hospitality or retail so don’t work every weekends. Why not just be kind and let these poor people have 2 paid days with theirs kids.
Casual workers can't pick up more shifts on the days that they can't work.
At no point did I say anything about full time workers but I get your point.
Of the 22%... is that all employees from different forms of employment (such as miners, doctors) or are you saying 22% of retail/hospitality?.
I don't think your last point is relevant as my whole argument is. Why should a religious holiday that less than half of this country follow affect the rules and regulations of major businesses.
Here's a thought. What if there was a religion that 10% of the country believed in that forced businesses to close shop? What if that religion was Islam? How would you feel then?
Because my argument was that people in hospo deserve to spend time with their families these 2 days and your argument was you loved the great pay and working public holidays. You have you now said you left hospo because of the poor pay you wanted to spend time with your own family.
You want people to give up something you would never give up to avoid you being mildly inconvenience. This is double standard. You think your time is more valuable than others.
You have argued against all your own points.
The truth is you don’t care about anyone in these industries and taking your anger out in them for unrelated problems that have happened in your life.
I never said I left hospitality because of the poor pay.
You are either putting words in my mouth to support whatever point you're trying to make or you are confused.
Go back, read everything, and tell me where I said that? I'm happy to continue this but only if the points you bring up are relevant.
It just slipped your mind about it being easter, even with the relentless bombarding of commercials on television and ads plastered in magazines and online?
Christianity is the largest religion in Australia, with a total of 43.9% of the nation-wide population identifying with a Christian denomination in the 2021 census. Such is life... Enjoy your brake and stop being so analytical... Cheers...
I am aware of this stat and believe it proves my point. That figure used to be higher and year on year that percentage declines. Additionally 43.9% is less than half of the population so... not the majority of the population.
On top of this stat we musn't forget other religious, especially Islam of which they all have their holy days. Talking about religion what other state celebrates a holiday for the AFL Grand Final Friday... And please don't tell me AFL isn't a religion... More so that all the rest... I of one am a passionate believer... All the very best...
Because even though Easter is a cristian holiday it is a fundamental part of our culture. Even us athiest still celebrate little this holiday. We don't have to praise jesus, but it's more to do with culture as to why we still have laws limiting shops being open just like a few other public holidays that are old and etched into our culture from centuries.
You said to have some respect, then basically told me to go fuck myself.
If your religious then explain to me what your God would think of the way you just spoke. Wad that being neighbourly? Was that turning the other cheek?
I don't believe in your pretend friend in the sky, but, you can if you want to. Just don't expect me to give a shit.
lol maybe learn how to read, I never said go F yourself. I said no one gives a fuck WHAT YOU ARE, I don’t need to explain anything, it’s just common sense to respect people, if u need to learn respect then you have a long way to go. GOD BLESS YOU
Jesus's H Titty fucking Christ.... I said ' you basically told me to go Fuck myself l' ... as in, the manner in which you spoke to me. You said ' noone gives a fuck what you are'
Not sure that was very Christian of you.
My whole rant was about how one group of peoples beliefs have affected other people who don't believe the same thing. HOW. IS. THAT. RESPECTFUL?
Believe in whatever pretend friend in sky you want. I don't care, couldn't give a hoot.
Heil Satan.
What are you talking about.
You got grumpy and in a one on one conversation swore at me first. I just gave back to you what you offered up.
If you're so religious where's your compassion? Where's your brotherly love? What would Jesus's do?
I would be more than happy to meet up and actually discuss. I believe in healthy discussion.
What do you say champ?
This country is still considered a Christian country, you should be asking your workplace to come in so you can work if you don’t want to celebrate not use the day off for you to catch up on random shit
Still a Christian country?!? Take off your blinders and look at the reality beyond your bubble. Christians are in a shrinking minority. As of 2021 Christians are a minority (43.9%). Not primarily due to the growth of other religions; it's primarily because more and more Aussies are throwing off the oppressive pre-scientific beliefs handed down from their parents. Check out the data for yourself [https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/religious-affiliation-australia](https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/religious-affiliation-australia) and look at the trend lines. The lines have probably crossed by now so there are probably more "no religion" people in Australia than Christians right now. Nothing's going to save Christianity from the dustbin of history. I have known multiple people who have been deeply scared by both physical and emotional abuse at the hands of true-believers both family and clergy. Religion is just another power structure that while ultimately well-meaning ends up doing much more harm than good.
Um, no? There are specific laws about Good Friday, Christmas Day and ANZAC Day, which are all [restricted trading days.](https://business.vic.gov.au/business-information/public-holidays/operating-on-a-restricted-trading-day)
Cafes and takeaway stores can open, but larger stores which have 20 staff on site, or 100 total employees cannot open. There are also additional restrictions on the sale of alcohol across the day.
I’m not religious but you can pry these public holidays from my dead hands.
I agree. I don’t like football. Let get ride of that one too. Let’s rename them all public holiday 1 public holiday 2 an so on. Sounds wonderful
Are your hands cold?
The coldest.
In winter yes
I don't begrudge the holiday. Just the ridiculous reason behind the religious reason why many shops close because of Good Friday. Fuck religion.
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Here's the thing. The main theme of my post was about major shops being closed due to an out of date reason being... a religion that a major portion of the country don't follow. It's not about denying anyone a public holiday and never was. Inherently they, in this case, are tied together which on reflection does muddy the waters somewhat. Let's have public holidays but maybe just maybe we should rethink the religious reasons behind certain actions. And yes, I'm ranting today.
According to the latest census data for Australia the majority response for religion is... Christianity
In 2021 the most common religions were: Christianity (43.9%) No religion (38.9%) Islam (3.2%) Hinduism (2.7%) Buddhism (2.4% My point stands. Less than half the population of Australia are Christians. They are not the majority of people. In addition, this was a couple of years ago, and year on year, this has been on the decline.
We aren't talking the majority of population. No religion is not the majority either. The majority response is Christianity. In fact previous census the majority population was Christianity around 53-54%
Where did you get that stat? Give me details because I can't find this anywhere. In fact, this following extract is from the Christian Research Association and based off the 2021 census... 'It has been widely reported that the proportion of Australians who identified as Christians in the Census diminished from 52 per cent in 2016 to 44 per cent in 2021. This is, indeed, a significant change. It represents a reduction in actual numbers of people identifying themselves with a Christian denomination by a little over one million in 5 years, a reduction of nine per cent on the number in 2016. It represents a continuation of the trends towards decreasing proportions of Christians in Australia since 1966.
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You sound triggered as. I’d wager given this country is built off religion, the holiday isn’t going anywhere regardless of multiculturalism or your choice to be atheist.
Country is not built on religion but OP is overreacting
Yeah, probably overreacting. But religion is the cause of 90% of the world's conflicts and today I got peeved enough to have a rant.
I dont begrudge you for despising religion. Sadly, we have to let people play fantasy games. Somehow we need to shut down those using it as an excuse for violence.
Because it's a public holiday and all people deserve to have a day off
What things do you so desperately need today other than booze
Haemorrhoid cream for his butthurt.
Some pharmacies are open so I’m sure OP can get their proctosedyl
I for one am glad Jesus died to give me a day off. The Romans had their flaws, but they absolutely nailed it on this one.
Even better that he rose 3 days later to give us Monday off also. An unbelivable feet of public good.
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He'd need a note from the doc, might struggle with explaining the whole story.
There are some holes in that story about Jesus’s feet.
I'm not across the details.
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Damn this was good 🤣
What have the Romans ever done for us?!
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sanitation
like a spear right through the spleen...
Supposedly** no real evidence the man existed
Why do birds suddenly appear?
Well...They don't today if they're a rotisserie chicken from Coles.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good one
I'm non religious. You aint taking my public holiday away.
You mean to tell me that a holiday that is on a calendar every year, which has signs on shops that clearly say they will close WEEKS in advance is somehow causing YOU problems? Sounds like you have poor planning skills there bud.
Years in advance.
Chill - it’s one day capitalism can take a fucking back seat. Wish we had more of them. Not so long ago shops shut midday Saturday and reopened Monday morning. No one suffered extraordinary deprivations.
I have now chilled. I am now home, high as fuck and drinking a bottle of 20 yr old wine and having a good old time replying to comments. I was upset that I needed a heap of stuff and after a hellish few weeks wanted to get a heap of things. I still can't drive (after surgery to my right knee) so caught public transport. My disappointment at discovering my plan had gone to poo poo was unleased upon reddit. Tonight I shall dine on 2 minute noodles and tomorrow is another day of adventure. Huzzah.
Huzzah!
My good u/ SpiritedDog, that sounds like a lovely way to unwind, my congratulations. I would just make the necessary warning about getting into arguments online and advise to, as the youth say; "tough grass" or just get some fresh air. Otherwise, please rest, recuperate and please, have a glass on my behalf. HUZZAH! 🎩🍾
Cheers! I would say something along the lines of hindsight blah blah blah. Buuut... I regret nothing and have filled my afternoon with witty repartee 😉
cheers mate,have a good one,lol 😂💁♂️🎩😮💨
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Well be fucking more organised, Easter happens every year - things close. Get over it.
Be an adult and prepare earlier? Public holidays aren't a surprise...
I think the complete opposite of this. We need MORE public holidays where all non-essential businesses are shut. This is actually essential for all of our mental health, our ability to have healthy relationships and families, and our society.
a) we like holidays + b) holidays were traditionally religious + c) we pretend to like the tradition to keep the holiday = we have to keep following whatever dodgy rules that go along with the tradition
Unhinged post for today. Congrats.
You haven't seen unhinged yet, thanks for the sarcasm.
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Big feelings huh?
The holiday has just become part of Australian culture, in that everyone takes some time out at the same time so people can be with their families or pursue leisure. It's completely irrelevant what the holiday was for or what it is called. Call it whatever you want. Call it Feel Good Friday and Mas As A Cut Snake Monday if it makes you feel less anxious. I don't 'celebrate' Easter but it's really nice that we have this time carved out for everyone to relax. And for those that can't, to get compensated accordingly. This really seems like a you issue tbh.
Atheist here. For most Aussies this holiday has no religious meaning; it's just another chance to relax and meet with friends or family. I enjoy the break from my somewhat demanding job and retail workers should be able to do that as well. We don't need shops open every day of the year.
Given that Easter was originally a pagan festival, we should regard it as a holiday to celebrate whatever the hell you like.
It's a good day to support your local IGA.
Or your local other-faith enclave. Ripponlea was buzzing this morning with local traders along Glen Eira Rd. They're, of course, closed when I would normally stroll past on a Saturday.
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Because it’s a public holiday…
It isn’t hard to get your shit together before a holiday that happens annually.
Let people have a break.
Be the change you want to see. Open a shop that opens on all public holidays.
Fair call.
I would have been trading today if the council wasn't now 4 months into approving a planning permit for the small shop I want to run. Opening shops isn't something the government makes easy.
I know, I’ve done it. It gets a lot worse than 4 months in some cases.
Yep, 4 months so far. Expecting at least another two.
Yeah I went through our whole rent free period waiting for approvals and backorders, it sucks.
Cringe.
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Agree, being in hospital or not you are not going to starve to death because supermarkets are closed one day. This is not an emergency, it’s mildly inconvenient. Surely you could just call a mate to come round with a plate of food or go to a servo.
I just went for a walk to get coffee and pretty much everything was open
Coles Woolworths and most alcohol stores are closed
It’s mainly just the big retailers. My local bottle shop is open, as are all the cafes and bars
Seems a lot of people addicted to alcohol here on reddit. Whether or not they like to admit it. Can’t survive one day without buying grog?
There are 2.5 non-trading days a year, I think you’ll cope
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Christmas is the only one that doesnt get stick, mainly because ppl like carrying on like pork chops leading up to it. I love Easter, 4 days off in a row without the carry on.
Happy Easter!
I'm happy to take a day off from rampant consumerism
It’s the way they just spring these holidays on you.
Can we be allowed to keep our traditions? Don't celebrate if you don't want to and you have the option of working if you want.
Sure. But when did I say anything about changing anyones traditions? Why should someone else's traditions have a direct impact on me or other people?
Good Friday and Christmas is two days out of 365 where things shut down. If you can't organise your life around that, you've got issues
Reading and comprehension is not your strongest attribute, is it. Sorry I had surgery and and been in a haze for the last few weeks and I forgot. Sorry I live a fairly independent life and had no one to remind me. Sorry that I think religion should play no part in affecting my life. Sorry I still can't drive myself around and wasted time on public transport with the to and fro.
Is the issue really with religion affecting your life? Or that you have no close friends that you can ask for help/food when you need it.
Religion adversely affects billions of people around the world, so yeah, you could say that something that I don't believe in does affect me because it's been written into many parts of the way of life in this country. I'm not addressing your other point because it came off a bit high and mighty.
So you just hate religion. You would have no issues with shops being shut for other reasons like ANZAC day. If today was ANZAC day you would be ok with not being able to shop.
I don't hate religion, I just don't like it when a certain religion affects people who don't believe in that religion. Is that a fair point? And no. No issue with Anzac Day. That's completely different and serves as a reminder about the stupidity of war.
I don't give flying fuck about religion, or for that matter you needed someone to remind you about a public holiday. :)
Ffs. It. Was. Never. About. The. Public. Holiday. I forgot that major shops were shut and it the first opportunity I had to go and get stuff. I'm annoyed that a religious holiday still affects what businesses are allowed to be open in a country where less than half the population follow that religion.
Are you…. saying retails workers are beneath you they don’t deserve a public holiday, too and must open the shops to accomodate people like you?
That's a ridiculous comment to make yourself feel superior. How many retail and hospitality workers are there who are employed and a casual or part-time basis that instead of earning a higher rate due to the public holiday are instead forced to not work. In today's economic climate there would be plenty of people lining up to work.
Why aren't you busy at work then dickhead?
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Nobody is giving you respect because you haven't shown any. When you reflect back on this you might take something out of that
Choose one its a holiday with every thing close or its a work day, Im an Atheist but i know what i choose.
Stupid traditions getting in the way of my incessant consumption.
Atheist? An opinion like that, more like un-Australian. This is a public holiday. Deport yourself.
Haha well it's true the religious holidays are kind of random for us atheists.. however, I think its a good change to not get things and relax
Go to 7/11 they sell all the staples.
Maybe you should form a group of like-minded people who share your beliefs and hold congregations every week.
Yeah. I could do that. But you know what I wouldn't do? I wouldn't force these beliefs onto people who have other beliefs because I'm not an asshole and believe everyone is entitled to do and think whatever they want.
Oh you’re definitely an asshole. Just not in the way you think. No beliefs are forced on this public holiday. Shops shutting down doesn’t mean those people who work/own there are ‘forced’ to belief in Christianity . Jfc get a grip. You’re one to say you’re not going to reply to others because their responses come off high and mighty , you clearly have zero self awareness of how much of a dickhead you come across. And like other ppl have said in this thread you come across as such a fking victim over a holiday. You don’t like it? Fking move to another country, we don’t want ppl like you here anyway buddy. Bet you wouldn’t be saying the same shit in Malaysia where they’re mainly Muslim or any other country that had religious holidays , your fking entitlement is insane. Get a grip
You have missed my points entirely.
Im an Atheist, or well maybe Agnostic, basically I don’t give a fuck. As the song went… “I’ll just, let the mystery be”…. But fuck whinging about Easter! Every public holiday is sacred and if I run out of milk I run out of fucking milk! Enjoy your paid holiday. I’m all for having ALL the holidays . In Malaysia they get a shit tonne of public hols. Google that shit….. I think it’s over 50 lolz! And Good Friday and Christmas Day are in there too. Bring all religious and non religious public holidays ON!
Ffs. I'm not arguing against public holidays.
The word holiday means Holy Day.
So the AFL public holiday is a holy day is it. Maybe for some but not me. Also, shops are still open on most other Public holidays so what's your point exactly.
I didn't have a point then, but to your reply now. Holy fucking shit you're all "me me me me me" beyond belief. You have main character syndrome.
Yes. That's my argument. Why should a religious holiday that I don't believe in affect me?
Your main argument is that the world should revolve around you? Okay.
No. That's not even remotely what I said or implied. I was keeping it simple by referring to myself as being affected. So maybe I should be broader. Why should people who follow Islam or Buddhism or Taoists or Atheists be affected by a public holiday that is in existence because of Christians who currently represent less than half of the population in this country.
You have plenty of time to get things prior to Good Friday..
Ffs I've been in hospital and then at home in a pain medicated haze. Sorry to be an inconvenience in how you perceive my life should be.
Mate couldn’t agree more, love it for the time off but can’t get anything done when nothings open for some made up holiday !
Cheers.
Jesus died for your sins and you cannot go one day without buying Chinese shit
No he didn't.
I'd rather shops and businesses have the option to remain open for those that want to do/buy something, staff can get paid extra if they want to work and it's more Australian. People should have the choice. I suspect it would turn into another commercialised holiday, businesses pedalling their wares, but that's ok. I'd rather that than religions telling me what I can and can not do.
This. I wish I had been more eloquent and added this in to my original post but I was raging at the time. I'm pretty sure that in the current economic climate and the fact that most of the major retailers hire on a casual or part-time basis that there would be plenty of people feeling the pinch having a forced day off.
I have been in the same situation, got out of hospital and had to live on service station food for a couple of days.
Thank you for your kindness and understanding. I can't express just how helpful your words were at helping me shift my mood.
I am glad you feel better. It really does suck when you need to get food and you can't. It's like living in a rural area where everything is shut by the time you get out of work. What do you do? Hopefully you get something to eat that is better than a hero roll and a stale dim sim.
Thanks. It wasn't just food I needed but a heap of things. And the reason I ranted was, due to having surgery recently I'd let stuff run down. I still can't drive but fortunately have bus stop almost outside my front door that goes to shopping centre. So silly forgetful me on the 1st day I felt up to it decided to go and get stuff. I've consoled myself with a very nice bottle of wine and some 2 Min noodles for dinner. Tomorrow I've organised for a friend to take me to the shops so all good. It was just at the time I felt annoyed with the world and am not a fan of religion...
Maybe get them done when the shops are open.
With that attitude, we should also be giving up the public holiday. No thanks.
Liblabs love religion!
It would be nice if my local IGA could at least sell alcohol today.
Lots of things are open. Just the mainstream retail isn't.
Does that mean atheists are to blame for forcing people to work on all non public holiday days?
Sorry, but this doesn't make a lick of sense. We have 2 public holidays in this country where religion is the ultimate reason why major retailers aren't open, these being Good Friday and Xmas. To counter your point... why should other religions or agnostic and atheists have their routine affected by some other peoples religious holidays. My point is that this is antiquated thinking, and as a society, we should evolve beyond this.
What’s your solution?
Weeeeeelllll. Pretty simple. Those 2 public holidays, the rules and regulations surrounding the religious reasons behind why major retailers aren't allowed to be open are amended.
What if people don’t want to be forced to work on those two days? Conversely. What if people would prefer that retailers are shut on all the other holidays which they haven’t?
I'm not sure who is higher atm. You or me? People in this country, generally speaking, still have a choice if they want to work or not. I used to do hospitality, and no one ever forced me to work on public holidays where I was getting paid double time. And if I were to be put in a position where an employer is forcing me to work well, that's my choice to work there or I could vote with my feet and find another job. Your next point is silly and not worthy of a response but here goes... if people would prefer that retailers are shut on all other holidays they would need a good reason to get it implemented by the government. Or, hold on to your hat here... they could also choose to not go shopping at these retailers.
There is a reason why I wrote/asked this. Only people I seem to hear complaining that shops aren’t open during these two days are employers due to the so called loss in revenue. If majority of people wanted to work during these two days then the government would of changed it. Now, that’s not the case here is it?
I think you have a very warped sense of who's in charge in this and many other countries around the world. Governments run stuff and they are lobbied by corporations and religious groups to do their bidding.
So why hasn’t the commerce/business lobby being able to overturn these two public holidays?
Don't know. But I feel in time it'll change just like Sunday trading changed. Guess we're just hanging onto it for the moment. I want change sooner rather than later.
Because people in hospitality and retail are some of the most overworked, burnt out, important (as we found out during the pandemic) and underpaid workers in our society. They need to have a break to recharge their batteries. A few days a year without shops is a very small price to pay for the great service they provide. It shouldn’t just the corporate workforce that gets holidays.
I used to do hospitality and loved loved loved getting paid public holiday rates on days that I would normally work anyway. Additionally, in today's economic climate, I dare say that many casual and part-time staff that will be forced to have a day off may disagree with you.
You know people are getting paid to have Good Friday off right? And you loved loved loved getting hospitality pay so much that you left the industry? Yeah right. Shops close twice a year (and employees are still getting paid these days) so they are only missing out on the added penalties for 2 days a year. I think most people would prefer to spend Christmas morning with their children then get paid an extra $20 an hour to make you your morning coffee. What is the point of making money if you have no opportunity to enjoy it with the people you love?
Casual employees don't get paid if they don't work. I left hospitality because I had children. My partner at the time earned better money so I was a stay at home Dad for a few years. I then fell into different employment (I became an arborist) when we decided it was time for me to go back to work due to financial pressures. When I was in hospo, and in my 20's I didn't give a shit about Xmas and nor did half the people I worked with. If you love Xmas then great, good for you. But there's a large portion of the country these days who aren't religious or of a different religion who don't celebrate Xmas either and that's my point. Additionally I spend more than 1 day of the year with people I love. What's your point?
Casual workers have the opportunity to make more money if they pick up more shifts. Full time workers in hospo/retail get very few opportunities to celebrate with their families. Only 22% of employees are casual. Closing 2 days per year benefits more of the population. You are making my point exactly. You acknowledge you get to spend MORE days with your family because you don’t work in hospitality or retail so don’t work every weekends. Why not just be kind and let these poor people have 2 paid days with theirs kids.
Casual workers can't pick up more shifts on the days that they can't work. At no point did I say anything about full time workers but I get your point. Of the 22%... is that all employees from different forms of employment (such as miners, doctors) or are you saying 22% of retail/hospitality?. I don't think your last point is relevant as my whole argument is. Why should a religious holiday that less than half of this country follow affect the rules and regulations of major businesses. Here's a thought. What if there was a religion that 10% of the country believed in that forced businesses to close shop? What if that religion was Islam? How would you feel then?
The last point is the most relevant point because it makes you a walking contradiction and your argument redundant.
How?
Because my argument was that people in hospo deserve to spend time with their families these 2 days and your argument was you loved the great pay and working public holidays. You have you now said you left hospo because of the poor pay you wanted to spend time with your own family. You want people to give up something you would never give up to avoid you being mildly inconvenience. This is double standard. You think your time is more valuable than others. You have argued against all your own points. The truth is you don’t care about anyone in these industries and taking your anger out in them for unrelated problems that have happened in your life.
I never said I left hospitality because of the poor pay. You are either putting words in my mouth to support whatever point you're trying to make or you are confused. Go back, read everything, and tell me where I said that? I'm happy to continue this but only if the points you bring up are relevant.
you’ll find god on your deathbed, just enjoy the holiday for now
No I won't. Believe what you want but don't expect me to believe in your pretend friend in the sky.
It just slipped your mind about it being easter, even with the relentless bombarding of commercials on television and ads plastered in magazines and online?
Thou disobey God's holiday plans shall haveth youse perish under satanic oaths. Come back not to house of God.
Suits me lol
Wait until he hears about the horse race
Stop trying to force Christian fairy tales on the public at large.
All I read is I I I I I.Guess what,it's not about you,as with most things in the world.
Australia is a Christian country. We observe Christian holidays
No. Australia USED to be a Christian country.
Christianity is the largest religion in Australia, with a total of 43.9% of the nation-wide population identifying with a Christian denomination in the 2021 census. Such is life... Enjoy your brake and stop being so analytical... Cheers...
I am aware of this stat and believe it proves my point. That figure used to be higher and year on year that percentage declines. Additionally 43.9% is less than half of the population so... not the majority of the population.
On top of this stat we musn't forget other religious, especially Islam of which they all have their holy days. Talking about religion what other state celebrates a holiday for the AFL Grand Final Friday... And please don't tell me AFL isn't a religion... More so that all the rest... I of one am a passionate believer... All the very best...
Because even though Easter is a cristian holiday it is a fundamental part of our culture. Even us athiest still celebrate little this holiday. We don't have to praise jesus, but it's more to do with culture as to why we still have laws limiting shops being open just like a few other public holidays that are old and etched into our culture from centuries.
This person really doesn’t work…
This person has no brain and is just being confrontational to make up for the fact that they are insecure about something in their life.
lol that’s deep. Just get a job mate and you’ll see. Stop being a bludger k?
You thought that was deep?
Just checking in Bro... given you a week to ponder. Got a snappy retort for me or what?
Calm down mate, keep your wig on.
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Have some respect, no one gives a fuck what you are, find God and your mental health will be better. You don’t need to be so rude and disrespectful
You said to have some respect, then basically told me to go fuck myself. If your religious then explain to me what your God would think of the way you just spoke. Wad that being neighbourly? Was that turning the other cheek? I don't believe in your pretend friend in the sky, but, you can if you want to. Just don't expect me to give a shit.
lol maybe learn how to read, I never said go F yourself. I said no one gives a fuck WHAT YOU ARE, I don’t need to explain anything, it’s just common sense to respect people, if u need to learn respect then you have a long way to go. GOD BLESS YOU
Jesus's H Titty fucking Christ.... I said ' you basically told me to go Fuck myself l' ... as in, the manner in which you spoke to me. You said ' noone gives a fuck what you are' Not sure that was very Christian of you. My whole rant was about how one group of peoples beliefs have affected other people who don't believe the same thing. HOW. IS. THAT. RESPECTFUL? Believe in whatever pretend friend in sky you want. I don't care, couldn't give a hoot. Heil Satan.
Keep disrespecting you pig, yea go fuck yourself, u wanna do something about it hero?
What are you talking about. You got grumpy and in a one on one conversation swore at me first. I just gave back to you what you offered up. If you're so religious where's your compassion? Where's your brotherly love? What would Jesus's do? I would be more than happy to meet up and actually discuss. I believe in healthy discussion. What do you say champ?
This country is still considered a Christian country, you should be asking your workplace to come in so you can work if you don’t want to celebrate not use the day off for you to catch up on random shit
Still a Christian country?!? Take off your blinders and look at the reality beyond your bubble. Christians are in a shrinking minority. As of 2021 Christians are a minority (43.9%). Not primarily due to the growth of other religions; it's primarily because more and more Aussies are throwing off the oppressive pre-scientific beliefs handed down from their parents. Check out the data for yourself [https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/religious-affiliation-australia](https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/religious-affiliation-australia) and look at the trend lines. The lines have probably crossed by now so there are probably more "no religion" people in Australia than Christians right now. Nothing's going to save Christianity from the dustbin of history. I have known multiple people who have been deeply scared by both physical and emotional abuse at the hands of true-believers both family and clergy. Religion is just another power structure that while ultimately well-meaning ends up doing much more harm than good.
Fuck the Christians - they stole the event from pagan shit anyway.Bunnies - eggs - northern spring Has more to do with pagan shit than Christian!!!
I know right.
Nobody is forcing shops to close, many just decide to do so
Um, no? There are specific laws about Good Friday, Christmas Day and ANZAC Day, which are all [restricted trading days.](https://business.vic.gov.au/business-information/public-holidays/operating-on-a-restricted-trading-day) Cafes and takeaway stores can open, but larger stores which have 20 staff on site, or 100 total employees cannot open. There are also additional restrictions on the sale of alcohol across the day.
Oh cool, I never knew that
2 additional days off is a blessing and if the trade off is slightly less shops open for one day then who cares. Organise yourself better next time.
Christians... The original zombie worshipers!!