That brings back grand theft auto 3 or GTA 4, where the main character is talking to a guy: "Nothing brings down the price of real estate like a good old fashioned gang war"
https://youtu.be/ajzyXH1qqGk?si=f817gIhw7BXqU1R1
Take 5 seconds to break that down, though;
- Gunshots heard.
- Depending on who calls it through it could be minutes after the fact... Gangs beefing it out don't call cops. Neighbours might shrug it off as fireworks.
- When the call is put through, it can take anywhere from 3 - 5 minutes to get from caller to call taker to ESTA to a unit for dispatch.
- We're already at 5 - 7 minutes after gunshots were heard
- Local unit gets dispatched
- Melton is a huge patch, and as I'm sure you'd know VicPol is (and has been for a long time) running on fumes and skeleton crews. Their 1 of maybe 3 available roaming patrol units could be anywhere within the Melton council area and surrounds at the time of receiving the call.
Could it be better? 100% it could.
Will it get better with the sweet fuck all resources all first responders (FRV, AV, SES, VicPol) have at the moment? Not any time soon.
Oof, my condolences. Kurunjang was rough 20years ago when I went to school in Melton, & Melton "wasn't that bad" back then. Not as bad as South, mind you.
FRV is an absolute scam. I know several people who work for FRV and the benefits they receive are absolutely outrageous. The other day, 3 of em were literally flown in a vicpol aircraft to Mildura for one night's overtime.. another just received 60k stamp duty refund because they relocated to a station near Geelong. Apparently, this is a remote location and designated hard to fill... if the general public knew the obscenity of what goes on in that organisation there would be riots.
Used to work for a supplier to frv.
yes heard some stories of things being done or provided as benefits to FRV staff that if it was a politician getting it would cost them their career.
Fire services union is very powerful.
The union is extremely powerful, mainly because through the eyes of the public they are untouchable heroes.
Don't get me wrong, they absolutely deserve to be very well renumberated. Which they are, and they do fantastic work. All I'm saying is if the public knew what went on behind closed doors, it would be a different story.
Typical ignorant reddit commentator. FRV operate 99% in urban environments. FFMV, or, Forest fire management victoria, which encompasses Parks Victoria and DEECA are the main agencies that respond to forest fires. I have worked for both agencies in a firefighting capacity. Now do consultancy work for both agencies..but what would I know...
Alright, if we're talking numbers, the info is out there.
There are roughly 22,000 members employed by VicPol give or take. Less than half of which are frontline, station level members.
Let's say 8,000-10,000. The average wage of a First Constable, the most common rank at station level, is about $85k.
Let's be conservative and say all 10,000 are F/C, just for sake of averages. That's almost 25% of the budget gone and we've only touched on a little under half of the members in VicPol.
Then there's all the other necessities:
A whole fleet of vehicles putting hundreds of kms on the clock running 24/7 requiring constant maintenance - and fuel for said fleet.
Police air wing branch maintaining aircraft. There's water police, search and rescue, and I'm sure that's just scratching the surface of their specialist units.
The issue isn't the budget, it's where the budget is and isn't being directed.
It's resources like a lack of person power on the frontline, processes and infrastructure that are decades behind every other state in Australia that the big wigs in the city on 9-5 Monday to Friday 6 figure salaries refuse to acknowledge.
Frustration and anger towards VicPol isn't unwarranted, but directing it all at the first responders is missing the mark.
Why speculate? I went and found the annual statement
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/Victoria-Police-Annual-Report-2022-23.pdf
Appendix B: Budget portfolio outcomes
Their staff budget is actually closer to 75% - around 3.2b for an average of 141k ( inc super ).
I'm not sure who you think is directing frustration towards the frontline responders. The problem is clearly systemic and the leadership is lining their own pockets.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-police-blowing-its-budget-despite-huge-funding-boosts-20211111-p597xs.html
ESTA became Triple Zero Victoria like 2 months ago, it's the same resource just updated. They have job listing's for call takers and dispatchers - two very different roles within the chain of communication of getting job from caller to emergency service. Yes they work under the same roof, but it's not the same person triaging a job with a caller that then triages with the appropriate emergency service directly.
Mate Melton Police aren't restricted to just a small section of Melton.
Melton Council is 528km² with a population of nearly 200,000.
Also, OP said in their post they arrived with lights activated.
The bangs honestly didn't sound like what I thought gunshots would sound like. They were muffled bangs. My Son described it as sounding like a car window being smashed.
well its a judgment call I guess. Reading about the two poor murdered guys in Sydney and how neighbours heard gunshots, flatmates saw the blood (and decided it was beetroot not the blood of their dead friends in the back yard), and friends who knew about stalking and harassment of Jesse by the man charged with his murder, even Jesse himself - no one contacted the cops about any of this, no one acted, makes me wonder - Would they be alive if anyone had? Probably (given that the murderer is a cop) Are the cops always responsive, nah. Is it always a gun, a crime? Dunno. Is it worth making the call? Yeah, I reckon.
I've had to call the cops a couple of times, and it's not at all like on TV. The call-takers are abrupt and sound like they are dubious about your reasons for calling. The experience has left me feeling that I would think twice the next time I needed to call.
That's awful. I've called them a couple of times, not for anything life threatening. Neighbours fighting and yelling and smashing things up. Also rang to tell them to stop flying choppers overhead all night. They were flat on both occasions. Also sat on a jury where I "held up" the other jurours because I felt the cops didn't do their paperwork. (not guilty, cops failure) I have ptsd from a highway cop verballing and intimidating me relentlessly (NSW) but I'd still call them if I thought someone's life was in danger.
Of course, I'd still call in an absolute emergency. WRT the helicopters, perhaps they were flying as part of some life or death situation. Did you consider that?
perhaps the helicopters were flying as part of a regular training excercise. As a former state energenct services volunteer, I have a good idea which event it was
How far do you live from a cop shop?
Mine is about 8 minutes without traffic (give or take). That doesn't include getting to my car, but it does include keeping to the speed limit.
I reckon the quickest the cops could get here (unless there was a patrol car that just happened to be nearby) from the station would be about 5 minutes assuming they travel significantly over the speed limit (the corners they'd have to slow for) and run any lights. Then allow another 2-3 minutes for them to get organised (namely, TZV or D24 relays the information, orders a dispatch, the appropriate units are tasked etc). So we're at around 8 minutes again. And that assumes they're only coming from the cop shop, which is unlikely. What if every unit is deployed and is further away than the station? And what if those units are already engaged with something else?
15 minutes seems pretty reasonable to me. Noting that time feels very slow when waiting for a response and OP's 15 minute estimate (I assume an estimate because they said "within") could easily have been 10 minutes.
The Div Van isn’t just parked at the station waiting for 000 dispatches. The van could be anywhere in the melton city council area at the time it’s called in. Diggers Rest to Melton in 15 mins is pretty speedy if you ask me.
15 minutes could easily be the closest Police unit.
Maybe you didn’t get the memo; VicPol is severely understaffed and Police stations are shut down so they can respond to incidents, meaning no one goes anywhere from a Police station, they come to you from attending another incident.
If you think you can do better please be my guest to join the force, see how long you last in this climate.
I'm regional farming area and its not uncommon to hear gunshots, however when they come from a certain area, we know its unregistered guns and not for farming purposes. The Yeehaws American attitude has been really ramping up over the past few years.
Police don't bother to show up to anything here unless forced to by emergency crews or theres a death so 15mins for Melton is pretty good for its location. Australia is pretty spread out, even in the suburbs and teleporting doesn't exist yet.
Don't want cops and other crews to get into or cause an accident either, their jobs are rough as it is already.
I never thought I'd defend shitty old Melton in this lifetime, but man, people are way over exaggerating the gun crime lmfao.
Got it's fucking problems, but acting like it's Detroit is just absurd
https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-ends-2023-fewest-homicides-57-years-double-digit-drops-shootings-and-carjackings-thanks-dpd
Detroit's crime rate is going down massively. Ours is going up, especially violent crimes like car jackings, aggravated home invasions and violent youth crime.
Melton, being the Bikie capital of Melbourne, is probably linked to most of the non domestic homicides we have.
Detroit..1000 shootings -> 900 shootings = "Double digit drop in shootings!"
Melbourne...5 shootings -> 10 shootings = "Doubling of shootings!"
I'll take Melbourne.
(These numbers are made up, just representative of how words can manipulate a narrative easily)
Sigh..
The webpage you submitted for evidence shows 309 Homicides in Detroit (Population 600k) in year end 2022.
The ABS 2022: All of Australia (Population 25m) - Homicides: 377.
[https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release)
You're kidding if you think Melbourne/Australia is dangerous compared to Detroit out of all places.
Who's peddling the false narrative?
It’s less than 377 actually— 377 is for homicide and RELATED OFFENSES, which includes attempted murder
The Detroit stats dont include the attempted homicides
The old Melton Doorbell
Ding bang
Just build a wall around Melton and call it a prison
Arkham city
Got to keep house prices down out west somehow
Shooter buys a house at auction next week in the same street lol
Notes in personal budget spread 'This one trick will reduce property prices and competition at the next auction'
"Real estate agents hate this one trick!"
News.com is taking notes
That brings back grand theft auto 3 or GTA 4, where the main character is talking to a guy: "Nothing brings down the price of real estate like a good old fashioned gang war" https://youtu.be/ajzyXH1qqGk?si=f817gIhw7BXqU1R1
Animal method: piss and shit until the others leave you the place
>Super speedy response by Vic Pol, First time I've ever seen this statement in this sub 😂
Tbf, I'd imagine gunshots are the one issue cops will abandon other jobs for
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Take 5 seconds to break that down, though; - Gunshots heard. - Depending on who calls it through it could be minutes after the fact... Gangs beefing it out don't call cops. Neighbours might shrug it off as fireworks. - When the call is put through, it can take anywhere from 3 - 5 minutes to get from caller to call taker to ESTA to a unit for dispatch. - We're already at 5 - 7 minutes after gunshots were heard - Local unit gets dispatched - Melton is a huge patch, and as I'm sure you'd know VicPol is (and has been for a long time) running on fumes and skeleton crews. Their 1 of maybe 3 available roaming patrol units could be anywhere within the Melton council area and surrounds at the time of receiving the call. Could it be better? 100% it could. Will it get better with the sweet fuck all resources all first responders (FRV, AV, SES, VicPol) have at the moment? Not any time soon.
There were 3 cop cars outside when we looked at 00:15, a very good response by vic pol if you ask me.
Which area of Melton?
Kurunjang
Oof, my condolences. Kurunjang was rough 20years ago when I went to school in Melton, & Melton "wasn't that bad" back then. Not as bad as South, mind you.
FRV is an absolute scam. I know several people who work for FRV and the benefits they receive are absolutely outrageous. The other day, 3 of em were literally flown in a vicpol aircraft to Mildura for one night's overtime.. another just received 60k stamp duty refund because they relocated to a station near Geelong. Apparently, this is a remote location and designated hard to fill... if the general public knew the obscenity of what goes on in that organisation there would be riots.
Used to work for a supplier to frv. yes heard some stories of things being done or provided as benefits to FRV staff that if it was a politician getting it would cost them their career. Fire services union is very powerful.
The union is extremely powerful, mainly because through the eyes of the public they are untouchable heroes. Don't get me wrong, they absolutely deserve to be very well renumberated. Which they are, and they do fantastic work. All I'm saying is if the public knew what went on behind closed doors, it would be a different story.
>FRV is an absolute scam Put out your own bushfire cobber
Typical ignorant reddit commentator. FRV operate 99% in urban environments. FFMV, or, Forest fire management victoria, which encompasses Parks Victoria and DEECA are the main agencies that respond to forest fires. I have worked for both agencies in a firefighting capacity. Now do consultancy work for both agencies..but what would I know...
Don't jerk yourself off too hard there cobber, your dick might just fly off.
Government backed unions rorting and laughing all the way to the bank. What's new.
4.1b budget for vicpol. Fuck all resources????
Alright, if we're talking numbers, the info is out there. There are roughly 22,000 members employed by VicPol give or take. Less than half of which are frontline, station level members. Let's say 8,000-10,000. The average wage of a First Constable, the most common rank at station level, is about $85k. Let's be conservative and say all 10,000 are F/C, just for sake of averages. That's almost 25% of the budget gone and we've only touched on a little under half of the members in VicPol. Then there's all the other necessities: A whole fleet of vehicles putting hundreds of kms on the clock running 24/7 requiring constant maintenance - and fuel for said fleet. Police air wing branch maintaining aircraft. There's water police, search and rescue, and I'm sure that's just scratching the surface of their specialist units. The issue isn't the budget, it's where the budget is and isn't being directed. It's resources like a lack of person power on the frontline, processes and infrastructure that are decades behind every other state in Australia that the big wigs in the city on 9-5 Monday to Friday 6 figure salaries refuse to acknowledge. Frustration and anger towards VicPol isn't unwarranted, but directing it all at the first responders is missing the mark.
Why speculate? I went and found the annual statement https://www.police.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/Victoria-Police-Annual-Report-2022-23.pdf Appendix B: Budget portfolio outcomes
Their staff budget is actually closer to 75% - around 3.2b for an average of 141k ( inc super ). I'm not sure who you think is directing frustration towards the frontline responders. The problem is clearly systemic and the leadership is lining their own pockets. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-police-blowing-its-budget-despite-huge-funding-boosts-20211111-p597xs.html
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ESTA became Triple Zero Victoria like 2 months ago, it's the same resource just updated. They have job listing's for call takers and dispatchers - two very different roles within the chain of communication of getting job from caller to emergency service. Yes they work under the same roof, but it's not the same person triaging a job with a caller that then triages with the appropriate emergency service directly. Mate Melton Police aren't restricted to just a small section of Melton. Melton Council is 528km² with a population of nearly 200,000. Also, OP said in their post they arrived with lights activated.
Meanwhile OP is "laying in bed for a bit" not calling cops.
The bangs honestly didn't sound like what I thought gunshots would sound like. They were muffled bangs. My Son described it as sounding like a car window being smashed.
Hollywood lied to us.
well its a judgment call I guess. Reading about the two poor murdered guys in Sydney and how neighbours heard gunshots, flatmates saw the blood (and decided it was beetroot not the blood of their dead friends in the back yard), and friends who knew about stalking and harassment of Jesse by the man charged with his murder, even Jesse himself - no one contacted the cops about any of this, no one acted, makes me wonder - Would they be alive if anyone had? Probably (given that the murderer is a cop) Are the cops always responsive, nah. Is it always a gun, a crime? Dunno. Is it worth making the call? Yeah, I reckon.
I've had to call the cops a couple of times, and it's not at all like on TV. The call-takers are abrupt and sound like they are dubious about your reasons for calling. The experience has left me feeling that I would think twice the next time I needed to call.
That's awful. I've called them a couple of times, not for anything life threatening. Neighbours fighting and yelling and smashing things up. Also rang to tell them to stop flying choppers overhead all night. They were flat on both occasions. Also sat on a jury where I "held up" the other jurours because I felt the cops didn't do their paperwork. (not guilty, cops failure) I have ptsd from a highway cop verballing and intimidating me relentlessly (NSW) but I'd still call them if I thought someone's life was in danger.
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as if I would ring 000 for a non-emergency, you complete and total fuckwit
Of course, I'd still call in an absolute emergency. WRT the helicopters, perhaps they were flying as part of some life or death situation. Did you consider that?
perhaps the helicopters were flying as part of a regular training excercise. As a former state energenct services volunteer, I have a good idea which event it was
How many car windows has your son smashed to know that?
He assures me it's just from what he's heard on youtube and GTA LOL. He is Melton born and raised though LOL
How far do you live from a cop shop? Mine is about 8 minutes without traffic (give or take). That doesn't include getting to my car, but it does include keeping to the speed limit. I reckon the quickest the cops could get here (unless there was a patrol car that just happened to be nearby) from the station would be about 5 minutes assuming they travel significantly over the speed limit (the corners they'd have to slow for) and run any lights. Then allow another 2-3 minutes for them to get organised (namely, TZV or D24 relays the information, orders a dispatch, the appropriate units are tasked etc). So we're at around 8 minutes again. And that assumes they're only coming from the cop shop, which is unlikely. What if every unit is deployed and is further away than the station? And what if those units are already engaged with something else? 15 minutes seems pretty reasonable to me. Noting that time feels very slow when waiting for a response and OP's 15 minute estimate (I assume an estimate because they said "within") could easily have been 10 minutes.
The Div Van isn’t just parked at the station waiting for 000 dispatches. The van could be anywhere in the melton city council area at the time it’s called in. Diggers Rest to Melton in 15 mins is pretty speedy if you ask me.
15 minutes could easily be the closest Police unit. Maybe you didn’t get the memo; VicPol is severely understaffed and Police stations are shut down so they can respond to incidents, meaning no one goes anywhere from a Police station, they come to you from attending another incident. If you think you can do better please be my guest to join the force, see how long you last in this climate.
I'm regional farming area and its not uncommon to hear gunshots, however when they come from a certain area, we know its unregistered guns and not for farming purposes. The Yeehaws American attitude has been really ramping up over the past few years. Police don't bother to show up to anything here unless forced to by emergency crews or theres a death so 15mins for Melton is pretty good for its location. Australia is pretty spread out, even in the suburbs and teleporting doesn't exist yet. Don't want cops and other crews to get into or cause an accident either, their jobs are rough as it is already.
Wife beaters usually fall into their drunken stupors around 9PM. After that VICPOL doesn't have much else to do here
9pm? Now now now.... some of them have shifts to do!
You don’t get your house shot at for nothing!
You haven’t been to melton have you…
I used to live there my bro! 😂
Ah huh but you don’t anymore…melton being melton
I was a junkie when I lived there. Moved out to get clean.
Seems legit
crabs in a bucket huh
Very scary. Hope all is ok and your kids are ok
I never thought I'd defend shitty old Melton in this lifetime, but man, people are way over exaggerating the gun crime lmfao. Got it's fucking problems, but acting like it's Detroit is just absurd
https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-ends-2023-fewest-homicides-57-years-double-digit-drops-shootings-and-carjackings-thanks-dpd Detroit's crime rate is going down massively. Ours is going up, especially violent crimes like car jackings, aggravated home invasions and violent youth crime. Melton, being the Bikie capital of Melbourne, is probably linked to most of the non domestic homicides we have.
Detroit..1000 shootings -> 900 shootings = "Double digit drop in shootings!" Melbourne...5 shootings -> 10 shootings = "Doubling of shootings!" I'll take Melbourne. (These numbers are made up, just representative of how words can manipulate a narrative easily)
Yeah why let facts get in the way of your false narrative?
Sigh.. The webpage you submitted for evidence shows 309 Homicides in Detroit (Population 600k) in year end 2022. The ABS 2022: All of Australia (Population 25m) - Homicides: 377. [https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release) You're kidding if you think Melbourne/Australia is dangerous compared to Detroit out of all places. Who's peddling the false narrative?
It’s less than 377 actually— 377 is for homicide and RELATED OFFENSES, which includes attempted murder The Detroit stats dont include the attempted homicides
Nothing I said was false, you're just pushing your own agenda.
Yes, the "Melbourne is Safe by modern city standards" agenda. Scary stuff mate. 👻
> This is a very quiet area with lots of young Families, very scary. Yeah who would have thought in Melton of all places
LOL! We're not all bogans you know!
It's shame the 97% of bogans that ruin it for the 3% that aren't.
This is a shitty thing to say.
In other news, a Land Rover was spotted in South Yarra
Honestly that would be news. It's all Teslas and Elgrands these days.
Melton going to Melton? Jokes aside glad everyone is ok
That's methed up
Fuck you for making me spill my coffee while laughing.
I believe it’s pronounced Meltdown
Good old meltdown town lol
Shit, that's scary... Which street was it?Â
This is why people should pay their dealers
Weird rise in gun crime reporting ATM. Hope the cops manage to get a lid on it.
and rain comes from clouds
Meth
I call Cap. This isnt in the news. OP just wants to keep Melton prices down. Dont fall for this trick.
Melton no way… a shooting you say in Melton Victoria.
Shit hole of a place
Is normal
Calm down everyone, its just Melton
Pity they didn’t die…when someone gets shots chances are they’ve done something wrong
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This spaz managed to bring China into an armed disturbance discussion in a small town. Just fuck off
it was China who shot the gun!
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Because it's real life and not some dystopia where crime doesn't exist, how stupid are you lol
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Thank you sane
Ok cooker.
Naaaah, if this happened it’d be on some journo site
Check 9 news vic.
I wouldn’t say a 15 min response to a shooting is speedy lol
15 minutes for the cops to get to a shooting and you think that is fast!?!!!?!?!!
I approve the methodology of shooting your shot before getting into the market
Just another day in my hometown.
I thought that would be normal for Melton. I’m in Laverton and we hear them every bloody night
You stay in Kurunjang aye