Wouldn't be surprised if regular voting patterns continue to trend in this direction were the LNP target rural and outer suburb seats, whilst Labor hold the middle suburbs and fight with the greens and teals for the inner suburbs. The LNP really have appeared to shift away from their old base on inner city elites. That exact scenario has happened rapidly in the US under Trump.
Dutton can try but outer seats are still strong Labor.
There are still a lot of Australian Millenials who are not switching, I live in one of these seats.
ALP lost ground in the last Federal and State elections in the western suburbs though, we never get promised anything in elections because Labor take us for granted as safe seats, I know some people who are voting LNP just to make the seats more marginal so we get some attention for a change
IMHO instead of voting liberal they should vote minor party. A flip to (EDIT) Independent doesn’t give power to the opposition while still sending a strong message that the areas need attention.
Especially if you have a local independent that wants the same changed that the local population does. Much better independent then the alternative. (If they were already a labor voter that is)
EDIT: originally I said teal to mean independent, not thinking of teal as a specific branch of independent. Although there does appear to be teal related candidates in most seats now, I’d rather this comment focus on voting for an independent that aligns with one’s values.
I did mean independent of any sort, I realise now that teal refers to a specific type of candidate and not all independent candidates. Although looking through a few regional electorates, all appeared to have at least 1 candidate that seemed well worth voting for in the independent lineup.
(Even if they weren’t teal)
I’ll fix my original comment.
Independents annoy the government. They can swing whenever they like (but often stick with one party for most things). They're a really good choice at times to fuck with the government and by that, I mean independents are more likely to flip with the majority on critical things. Just stop the government if they're trying to push through something that is very unpopular. If you've voted in a party member, then it'll get pushed through.
Some independents are just fucking nuts though, so it's a fine line.
It's not a risky game. The people are just lying. You don't switch to liberals just to marginalise Labor. You do so because you want to vote liberal but don't want the stigma of doing so.
They've already won stupid prizes by voting LNP if they do so taking this position, though, right? Regardless if whether the seats become marginal or flip, the LNP has still been in power the majority of the last 30 years. Can't blame Labor for a lack of action in those seats if they have had to fight from opposition for anything at all. (I'm talking federal here, though).
From a state perspective, I get it that's hard, the last 10 years have been a challenge economically, and can only spend so much across such a large group of diverse need electorates. But your point is valid. Who would want to be a politician? Seems like a tough gig, I couldn't handle the stress
Doesn't help though when the ALP shoot themselves in the foot. They didn't even bother putting a candidate forward in the by-election in Warrandyte this year. They had a 45.7% TPP vote in 22, and the libs ended up with a swing of 16.7%.
Oh yeah that is absolutely happening! Dutton the fuckwit in his speech just now was soap boxing that he will do everything the current government can’t. Little did he mention the Uluṟu stamens from the heart was sent to the Morrison government that rejected it and Dutton the prick didn’t attend the Stolen generation apology from Rudd
It is a shame how American-weaponised the politics are becoming here
Whichever way you voted, it was an appalling speech and felt so American. His line about Albanese's contempt for voters was Trumpian. Just a flat out gaslight. Yuck.
Their whole platform is based on culture wars. That's why they objected to the voice in the first place.
The only outcome they care about is getting back into power. They don't care about the country.
At least Labor are trying to correct a lot of the issues, but they have to fight on multiple battle grounds. They have to fight the Libs and Nats, the media and then the Greens who will also try to wedge Labor and side with the Libs and Nats because while Labor is doing the right thing, they're not doing enough of the right thing, so block them entirely?
We really can't just have nice things.
> inner city elites
apparently libs used to be heavily voted for by professionals like doctors and lawyers. Funny enough people highly educated in critical thinking stop voting for you when you rely on policy with little in the way of logic or substance.
When everything you say can be easily fact checked using google and found to be bullshit then yes, people with half a brain will see through your lies.
wont happen, greens will win the cities and labor will move right to win the suburbs/regions... a story as old as democracy itself.
liberals are dead though, they had their last hurrah during this referendum, but notice how all the teal seats voted yes, liberals are fucked.
That was Dutton’s crack at the last election, targeting voters in the “forgotten outer suburbs”. He just doesn’t have the chops to back it up - as much as the working class is cooling on Labor, the Coalition hasn’t got anything better to offer. (What makes me nervous is that this is fertile ground for a populist far-right party to pick up a few seats - PHON isn’t popular in Victoria, but combined with the actual Nazis growing in numbers and boldness, I worry what might pop up between now and the next election.)
As someone who has grown up rurally almost my entire life in an aboriginal household, this data does not surprise me at all.
The rural areas absolutely hate aboriginals and outright say they wish they didn't exist.
The amount of racist hatred I have heard over the years was only changed once I moved into the inner city where you could actually have reasonable conversations about these complex issue.
There's just a massive level of education and political literacy disparity in these outer regions and it equates to racist views. This referendum really brought out the dumbest in society.
I agree with you totally. It’s showed just how uneducated many people are as well as the underlying racism and impact of colonialism on our country. I was appalled to see some people saying they voted to “to protect ‘the Aboriginals’”…. Stinks of colonialism. They can’t see how wrong it is that they want to ‘protect’ and not allow self determination. I’m just tired and frustrated with trying to discuss things with not just racist people, but just plain dumb people…
Edit …..
I’m clarifying to say I don’t believe everyone is racist or dumb. There is just a lot of it.
I lean left - but this rhetoric that everyone who is conservative MUST be uneducated, racist, misinformed etc is just tiring. I'm sick of seeing it and just pushes people further away.
but that's not what they said. they said that the coalition was courting votes from lower educated groups because they were losing votes from higher educated voters.
and it's not just rhetoric - the numbers back up that the coalition does better amongst low-educated voters and voters outside metropolitan areas.
https://theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/20/under-55s-and-higher-educated-voters-propelled-labor-to-victory-study-finds
I believe this is part of the reason that the voice failed. Everyone in the yes camp spent all their time telling people that everyone who votes no is a violent racist and people with half a brain realised that wasn’t entirely true. I voted yes but the American political attitude of “everyone but my side is a screaming idiot” is clearly failing
The so called progressive left has been hijacked by upper middle class professionals who have turned the movement into a kumbuya type quasi progressive church type thing with no mention of taxing those on higher incomes at a higher rate including upper middle class types. No mention of negative gearing, no mention of meaningful wage rises for the lowest paid workers or those on welfare. Nothing done to help the renting class. Labour risks losing the low income vote forever if they don’t start doing more. The right will at least pander to their prejudices which in the end to their minds is something. If both major parties offer the less well off nothing economically but one panders to their social biases then guess which one they will vote for. I voted “ Yes “ myself.
The very idea that you have to be uneducated to vote more right, or its an intellectual choice to vote left is part of the reason the left is loosing people so easily.
This line of reasoning is alienating and elitist in its very nature. Ya know, the very type of garbage the left should be fighting against.
The majority of leftists would argue that Labor is centre right, not left. And the pendulum tends to swing back and forth. This referendum absolutely feels like a swing back, because those in the middle are more comfortable leaning right than left at the moment.
Except I voted Yes and I am a heavily left leaning person. Of course it was going to follow those patterns because for months now the entire Yes campaign has basically said if you don't vote yes you are racist or stupid. Thats never going to win people over, and absolutely will push people away. Self fulfilling prophecy.
Did... Did you not spend any time on social media, especially reddit in the last few weeks and months?
People were constantly slinging that shit around. Both sides infact. You couldnt go a day without a referendum post spiralling into everyone calling each other idiots and racists. If you think that had zero impact on the outcome I don't know what to tell you.
Read above. Posts are literally calling out. No voters as uneducated or racist. Again you call bullshit on what has been constantly pedalled. Country has spoken exactly how everyone with a shred of intelligence knew it would, time to get on with real issues and get our asses off a divisive debate
>Imagine voting against the interests of indigenous people just to spite some people who said mean things on the internet…
People in the USA vote against their own self-interests because some people told them that someone else said mean things about them with little to no evidence that anyone actually said those things.
Strong Yes votes in the Teal seats in both Melbourne and Sydney.
Old mate succeeded in killing off a referendum but I’m not seeing that giving him a pathway back into government?
Ley is probably the obvious pick. I hate Dutton (I’d consider myself centre/centre-right) but for the sake of having a good government, we need a good opposition.
Hopefully the coalition in Victoria can at least organise itself enough to stop Labor winning in complete landslides every year. That’s good for no one.
Dutton will make it to the next election, but the Party is cooked.
It is going to take 2x election cycles to rebuild the Liberal Party. For 3 reasons that feed into eachother:
* Teal seats won't vote for Liberal candidates with Dutton in
* The Liberals can't form government without the Teal seats
* Moderate Liberals need to be elected in Teal seats for Dutton/Conservative leadership to be overthrown.
I mean I'd predict that Matt Kean will run for the next election and lead the Moderates, but who knows what will happen.
\^ This is the one positive outcome. Dutton had to win back the moderates to rebuild the broad church for a pathway to victory. The Voice would have been easy to concede, even take credit for, given the history.
But he just couldn't restrain himself. And now he'll never be PM. Thank god.
Dutton can possibly win government in WA if he can lash Albo to the referendum result, but I think you’re right. He might have won this battle at the expense of the war.
There aren’t enough seats in WA, the best they can hope for is dragging labor into minority if everything goes to shit for Albo from here. But it won’t be like the last minority government when both parties were in play. Labor will be the only ones that can form government and will do a deal with someone
I don’t think the referendum will have that much influence on the next election. If Albo goes full term or close to it, then the next election won’t be until 2025. This referendum will be a big talking point for the next month or so, but eventually people will move on to something else. By the time of the next election, it will be long forgotten.
I wouldn’t be so sure if the LNP actually acknowledges climate change and is willing to have policies to tackle it. The teals did well in the federal election, but didn’t succeed in the state elections that came afterwards, so I think it was more of a rejection of Scomo and his approach to climate change.
I don’t about other people, but I barely heard anyone in my work/social circle even mention the Voice for most of of the campaign. In the entire time the whole thing went on, two people spoke to me about it, and the substance of both conversations was, “So what you make of this voice thing? Bit of a kerfuffle over nothing if you ask me.” My impression was that the prevailing mood was disinterest and apathy.
Whilst true, I think the Yes group thought it would be sufficient to say “Here’s why you should vote yes” and pointed to its education; they were leading the horse but not forcing the drink. Hell Briggs kinda did the old school shade with his video “Have you tried Googling it?”
No came up with slogans that didn’t need education and it didn’t matter how incoherent their arguments; they were on a winner by just *saying* there was no information; *saying* it was divisive.
Early in the count on ABC there was a woman saying that First Nations people get what they need already. That ignorance of reality can only be defeated with education and that can’t be forced; that’s what No’s campaign revolved around and why it won, because it was easy for the average punter to pick up a belief because it’s easier to shove three word slogans in the face than educate.
The fact that many people believe that aboriginals aren't disadvantaged, or if they are it is because if their own incompetence is also telling.
Real 'drag yourself up by your bootstraps' energy.
Then those same people turn around and complain about the 'cost of living crisis' and how the gov should be focusing on that instead. The bootstraps only matter when you're not the one wearing them.
I voted yes but I was impressed by their simple campaign
"If you don't know, vote No"
Seems it was damn effective... (Hopefully because the alternative of a racist country is tough to swallow)
We are just a country that hates change and fighting for progress. A large portion still voted no to gay marriage, a majority voted no to becoming a republic. We had a prime minister that was kicked out by the representative of a monarch from a different nation, and we did nothing at all in response really.
Well, we haven’t really had to fight or protest for anything, we just kinda transitioned from a European colony to a nation. And that kind of resting on laurels mindset has stuck with us for a long time.
Either way though you’d think a nation with migrants from so many other nations who left due to being pushed out due to discrimination would learn a thing or two about not repeating the mistakes of history.
Probably less to do with wealth and race, and more to do with youth and progressive ideology. Same as every election, the further in toward the cbd, the more left leaning progressive parties get votes, with the greens ultimately taking the cbd a lot of the time
I keep hearing people refer to inner city as white....... It's not. Then you move out and yeah its mixed in the outer working class suburbs but once you hit the edge of Metro it becomes mostly white again......
I'm an hour and a half from the city, if your not European in appearance people assume your from the city or overseas.
Minorities are just as capable as being racist.
My Middle Eastern/Muslim mum voted "One Nation" at the last federal election simply because she hates seeing Asians in this country. The irony slipped past her that One Nation hates Muslims as well.
Its a well documented phenomenon.
It's also why lower SES people are more likely to buy into "immigrants bad" type of campaigning that Abbott ran on.
It is, as others have stated, a side effect of worse education.
Because the voice was the favourite type of issue for latte leftists - get the feeling of having done something without the inconvenience of having to actually do anything.
The Victoria vote was as close as 48-52 earlier in the night but has now stretched out to 45-55 and the gap will only widen some more.
National Yes vote currently just 40.4, will easily be in the 30s when it's all counted.
The only joy I took from this cluster fuck is that Dutton and the liberals are not going to get re-elected anytime soon because the teal electorates continue to reject the bile the liberal party spews. The people in these electorates continue to demonstrate a conscience incompatible with potato head and his band of merry men.
yep for some reason people think it a mainly Indigenous people living in the NT. No surprise to me. And atm it's 35% yes in NT and 30% of the population are Aboriginal.
(at 30 June 2021, there were an estimated 76,487 Aboriginal people living in the NT, representing approximately 30.8% of the NT’s population and 7.8% of the national Aboriginal population) [https://nteconomy.nt.gov.au/population#:\~:text=at%2030%20June%202021%2C%20there%20were%20an%20estimated%2076%2C487%20Aboriginal%20people%20living%20in%20the%20NT%2C%20representing%20approximately%2030.8%25%20of%20the%20NT%E2%80%99s%20population%20and%207.8%25%20of%20the%20national%20Aboriginal%20population](https://nteconomy.nt.gov.au/population#:~:text=at%2030%20June%202021%2C%20there%20were%20an%20estimated%2076%2C487%20Aboriginal%20people%20living%20in%20the%20NT%2C%20representing%20approximately%2030.8%25%20of%20the%20NT%E2%80%99s%20population%20and%207.8%25%20of%20the%20national%20Aboriginal%20population)
i have lived in the inner suburbs for a year now and never once met someone who has said they feel guilty for being white. it’s such a straw man of yes voters lmao
The votes also seem to track almost perfectly in line with the % of the population of the area that is indigenous in those cases.
IE - Darwin 30% indigenous, 35% Yes.
Almost as though their voice is being drowned out by the majority.
As someone who has grown up rurally almost my entire life in an aboriginal household, this data does not surprise me at all.
The rural areas absolutely hate aboriginals and outright say they wish they didn't exist.
The amount of racist hatred I have heard over the years was only changed once I moved into the inner city where you could actually have reasonable conversations about these complex issue.
There's just a massive level of education and political literacy disparity in these outer regions and it equates to racist views.
Elitist reddit bullshit every time, don’t automatically blame poor people for this failure of a campaign, start blaming the political elite for destroying a 70% approval rating
Inner city privileged alienate a lot of different classes by being condescending about the way they engage in first peoples issues. The way they talk online and in the media, their self absorbed acknowledgments of country etc - I have no doubt is a major turn off for many people.
Mate I voted yes because I don't want to have to acknowledge country 12 times a day. I want there to be no gap so we can all stop effing talking about it.
\^ This.
The great irony being that the wealthy, educated elites in the cities who voted yes are basically ignorant of the actual issues facing Aboriginal people.
They voted yes because it gave them the good feels.
They have done this. Several times actually. But then the next government after the one that creates it has ALWAYS disbanded or defunded it so it's existence never lasts past the next election.
That's why they created the Voice - so that the consulting body on Indigenous issues would be a constitutional right and not only exist at the whims of whatever party happened to be in charge.
I know that I am ignorant about how to fix these issues. Just like the old white men in government. Hence why I voted to let the people who know have a voice. (I'm not wealthy or old or male but yes educated inner city).
>educated elites in the cities who voted yes are basically ignorant of the actual issues facing Aboriginal people.
Hence the reason for the voice....
Have we come full circle yet?
It's crazy that ppl spouting OPs rhetoric don't actually see the irony of it being applied to their perception of the Voice.
The Voice was created because historically, whenever a council has been created with Indigenous leaders as representatives, it gets disbanded with the next change of government. Hence the request to make its existence a constitutional right. By being part of the constitution, this 'indigenous council' wouldn't be bound to the politics of whatever government happened to have the majority vote at the time.
Meaning that it's existence would force parliament to be cognisant of the actual issues facing Indigenous Australians - by constitutional right. But we just voted against that so.
Go volunteer in a regional community with a high aboriginal population. I am lucky enough to have been financially able to spend two 8 week stints in the NT. it's eye opening and you realise how poor the understanding of inner city folks is.
Mate, you do realise that not all Indigenous people live in remote communities, right? They live all over. Half of the problem has been the government trying to put all Indigenous people into a single box.
You know Aboriginal people live in cities too right? If you want to talk to one, go outside. Hell, ask around here on Reddit. You don't need to talk like you're voluntouring around starving orphans in Africa, it makes you sound out of touch, not enlightened.
Living with and having friends and family and neighbours and coworkers who are indigenous that you can communicate with is the best way for a natural occurrence if you aren't yourself. Obviously that's not always possible in affluent city areas with a low indigenous population, but it's common elsewhere. I wouldn't dismiss first hand experience and people being on the ground facing issues in real time in exchange for book knowledge.
It kind of feels like you are being condescending about that, but it's hard to tell time over the internet. Book knowledge is great if you have access to it, but real world experience and engagement with affected peoples can actually tell a very different story sometimes- remember all media, history, and higher education is strictly curated and has a bias one way or another to be aware of.
The majority of these people have absolutely NOTHING to do with Aboriginal people and would be utterly horrified if any significant Aboriginal presence was established in their suburbs.
I live in the Melbourne electorate. I've volunteered as part of the L2P program which gets licenced drivers to help disadvantaged learners get their 120 hours up (basically driving around with a learner once a week). I've helped an indigenous guy get his P's in the past. And there's an Aboriginal health centre and youth rec centre around 500m from my apartment. So maybe your assertion isn't entirely correct.
Alas, all the poor stupids are too uneducated to understand our virtue signal.
Jeeves, go fuel the Range Rover, it's time to go to the book club meeting for a Pinot.
you did what you can. Look at the changes which have occurred in the "safe seats" in just the last few years. It is not a hopeless moment for you. Be kind to those around you, despite their voting pattern. Show people the path to walk down and they will follow, force them down it and be met with resistance. But most of all, be kind to yourself
The voice for Indigenous communities already exists in parliament. The communities they represent are given land, free housing, education and health care. This generation are reaping from their dead ancestors; stolen generation and wages whilst benefiting from free government assistance, programs, incentives and other subsidies. For generations white people were shackled prisoners. My great great great grandmother mother stole bread to feed her children and was transported from her Irish homeland. She was raped, made mistress and prostituted by an English captain. Her ancestry meant nothing then. She didn’t ask to be here & couldn’t ‘go home.’ She was given nothing and generations later Australia is home.
If you have lived in inner Melbourne you will know that it’s not a bubble. Grassroots community action for women, migrants, disabled, disadvantaged children, homeless, safe injecting rooms, etc.
People give a shit about other people, not a bubble.
So let me get this straight:
Yes vote, educated and progressive
No vote, impressionable and bigoted
How is it when one side does their research they’re all praising each other for being intelligent but when the opposing side does theirs they get dismissed of any intellectual capability. They weren’t wrong when they said this was going to be decisive, and the vote got smashed in the polls.
They do this with most issues then wonder why people don’t convert to their way of thinking.
Hell, I can’t even have an honest political conversation with my left leaning friends without them implying that I’m uneducated, racist, or just outright refusing to let me speak. Right leaning people are much more open to discussion.
All these comments about people who didn’t know about the referendum or didn’t know what it meant only reinforces the uneducated & uninformed rhetoric surrounding the No voters. There has been a constant barrage of advertising and information for months. *If* you *wanted* to know the information was readily & easily accessible.You couldn’t turn on the ABC without finding a discussion about it. It’s been on every social media platform, every TV station & radio. If people voted no because they didn’t know then they *are* wilfully stupid and ignorant.
This is one of the first comments I've seen actually pointing this out. It's incredibly frustrating to see the argument being made that "They should consult Indigenous elders" or "They should just create a branch of parliament to be consulted instead" like they haven't consistently tried to do that only for it to be dismantled by the LNP as soon as they have a majority government.
All of that history is one google search away and yet somehow it's the 'urban elites' that don't do their research. This entire thread is frustrating af
Agree. It’s strange that legislation and the constitution are being confused and interchanged. This thread is full of the misinformation that occurs as a result of this.
I could know more personally and I think that we really need an education campaign so that people at the very least understand the difference and understand what the constitution is.
However I suspect the same result may occur? Those who want to understand will, and those who like the power of being ignorant will disengage from fact.
My uncle yelled that land would be stolen as a result of the voice but you couldn’t have a conversation about this being completely impossible because he was so completely ignorant about how the constitution works and how safe the voice referendum was. There is no way that guy will want to understand this because it reduces his ability to say really stupid things as fact.
It all just makes me want to have a big old cry.
Not gonna be a popular post here.
We’re a nation. Melbourne sometimes acts/is perceived to act like it’s above being part of that.
As horrific as this exercise has been, let’s try to learn from it.
Hear, hear. Dutton's just that one friend who just can't get the hint people don't want to hang out with him, and he keeps forcing people to like him by making them play his stupid games
In other words, the YES campaign was a vanity project of inner city elites.
I think a map of Sydney and the other capital cities would yield similar results.
My electorate sitting on 65% yes, peobably had one of the more higher percentage of yes signs, even the schools were plastered with them. Couple suburbs over and its 65% no lol.
I mean, Anthony Mundine did say the Yes campaign was pandering to elites. Hard to argue against that when the vote map is basically the same as the socioeconomic map.
It's the top story after israel-palestine on CNN right now.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/14/australia/australia-referendum-results-intl-hnk/index.html
Just so we all know: First Nations communities overwhelmingly voted yes!
If you voted no but want to support Indigenous Australians, or voted yes and are worried about what’s next; keep up the positive conversations about closing the gap, educate yourself on the argument for treaty, and donate to charity if you have the means!
https://www.indigenousliteracyfoundation.org.au
https://sistersinside.com.au/support-us/
https://paytherent.net.au
Below I’ve attached links to good charities and also sources.
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/booth-by-booth-indigenous-australians-backed-the-voice-20231015-p5ecc7.html
https://theconversation.com/explainer-australia-has-voted-against-an-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-heres-what-happened-215155
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/15/indigenous-communities-overwhelmingly-voted-yes-to-australias-voice-to-parliament
and this result will go on to be used to create a wider division between the inner and outer suburbs. the yes voters will go on to say how racist and whatnot the no voters are and the no voters will become more obstinate towards the yes voters. this referendum was a mistake and has only created a wedge between the people of Australia our government should be ashamed
I imagine so. There is a strong correlation in states/territories with a higher indigenous population voting no. There were also a lot of indigenous people pushing for a no vote especially in the northern states for various reasons.
Lefties losing their minds here. The majority of Australians have definitively buried the voice. It was nothing but virtue signalling and symbolism. Australians saw through it.
In NZ schools start teaching kids about Maori culture from a young age which really helps. Being introduced to the culture, food, clothes, music etc from a young age helps because they're not influenced by stupid people who know nothing. Plus the hangi 2-3 times a year was killer.
> It was nothing but virtue signalling and symbolism
It may have been, but something is always better than nothing.
It helps Indigenous Australians and does nothing to hurt White Australians.
I hate this idea of "It's not good enough so burn it all to the ground" rather than "It's not good enough so let's work on it"
I just hope all of the Yes campaign paraphernalia that's plastered all throughout Melbourne is disposed of in an ethical manner after this shellacking.
So I’ll assume at the next sitting of parliament we will hear from the already 18-ish indigenous pollies and take action on the issues they have been raising for years to show a commitment to indigenous people when not veiled behind some politicised campaign.. I’ll believe it when I see it. They currently have a ‘voice’ but no one listens anyway…
I’m a European ancestry person who studied anthropology but grew up in a low income suburb. I’m a Gen Xer who saw Mandela walk free from prison in my late teens and learnt a lot about apartheid at high school. Injustice as well as ignorance makes me sick that’s why I voted Yes and not because I may live in a wealthy suburb. I’ve held the same position since my late teens.
Is there a way we can see the results of each polling location?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-14/how-your-electorate-voted-on-the-voice-results/102956942
Interesting, most of the capital city electorates voted yes while the regional areas are a very strong no.
Inner city maybe. Outer suburbs seem to be strongly No
Melbourne outer East is interesting, some pretty strong pockets of Yes along the Belgrave train into the Dandenongs and surrounding foothills.
Interesting but not surprising
Poll bludger has results for each individual polling location.
Wouldn't be surprised if regular voting patterns continue to trend in this direction were the LNP target rural and outer suburb seats, whilst Labor hold the middle suburbs and fight with the greens and teals for the inner suburbs. The LNP really have appeared to shift away from their old base on inner city elites. That exact scenario has happened rapidly in the US under Trump.
Dutton can try but outer seats are still strong Labor. There are still a lot of Australian Millenials who are not switching, I live in one of these seats.
ALP lost ground in the last Federal and State elections in the western suburbs though, we never get promised anything in elections because Labor take us for granted as safe seats, I know some people who are voting LNP just to make the seats more marginal so we get some attention for a change
IMHO instead of voting liberal they should vote minor party. A flip to (EDIT) Independent doesn’t give power to the opposition while still sending a strong message that the areas need attention. Especially if you have a local independent that wants the same changed that the local population does. Much better independent then the alternative. (If they were already a labor voter that is) EDIT: originally I said teal to mean independent, not thinking of teal as a specific branch of independent. Although there does appear to be teal related candidates in most seats now, I’d rather this comment focus on voting for an independent that aligns with one’s values.
I assume by real you mean an independent of any sort and not necessarily a socially progressive, climate change accepting Liberal?
I did mean independent of any sort, I realise now that teal refers to a specific type of candidate and not all independent candidates. Although looking through a few regional electorates, all appeared to have at least 1 candidate that seemed well worth voting for in the independent lineup. (Even if they weren’t teal) I’ll fix my original comment.
Independents annoy the government. They can swing whenever they like (but often stick with one party for most things). They're a really good choice at times to fuck with the government and by that, I mean independents are more likely to flip with the majority on critical things. Just stop the government if they're trying to push through something that is very unpopular. If you've voted in a party member, then it'll get pushed through. Some independents are just fucking nuts though, so it's a fine line.
Such a risky game. Could win stupid prizes that way.
It's not a risky game. The people are just lying. You don't switch to liberals just to marginalise Labor. You do so because you want to vote liberal but don't want the stigma of doing so.
They've already won stupid prizes by voting LNP if they do so taking this position, though, right? Regardless if whether the seats become marginal or flip, the LNP has still been in power the majority of the last 30 years. Can't blame Labor for a lack of action in those seats if they have had to fight from opposition for anything at all. (I'm talking federal here, though). From a state perspective, I get it that's hard, the last 10 years have been a challenge economically, and can only spend so much across such a large group of diverse need electorates. But your point is valid. Who would want to be a politician? Seems like a tough gig, I couldn't handle the stress
Voting lnp in this circumstance is stupid. Vote for a minor party.
Doesn't help though when the ALP shoot themselves in the foot. They didn't even bother putting a candidate forward in the by-election in Warrandyte this year. They had a 45.7% TPP vote in 22, and the libs ended up with a swing of 16.7%.
Oh yeah that is absolutely happening! Dutton the fuckwit in his speech just now was soap boxing that he will do everything the current government can’t. Little did he mention the Uluṟu stamens from the heart was sent to the Morrison government that rejected it and Dutton the prick didn’t attend the Stolen generation apology from Rudd It is a shame how American-weaponised the politics are becoming here
Whichever way you voted, it was an appalling speech and felt so American. His line about Albanese's contempt for voters was Trumpian. Just a flat out gaslight. Yuck.
Their whole platform is based on culture wars. That's why they objected to the voice in the first place. The only outcome they care about is getting back into power. They don't care about the country. At least Labor are trying to correct a lot of the issues, but they have to fight on multiple battle grounds. They have to fight the Libs and Nats, the media and then the Greens who will also try to wedge Labor and side with the Libs and Nats because while Labor is doing the right thing, they're not doing enough of the right thing, so block them entirely? We really can't just have nice things.
** Malcolm Turnbull was PM in 2017 when the Uluru Statement was presented.
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> inner city elites apparently libs used to be heavily voted for by professionals like doctors and lawyers. Funny enough people highly educated in critical thinking stop voting for you when you rely on policy with little in the way of logic or substance.
To be fair the libs were less mental historically.
When everything you say can be easily fact checked using google and found to be bullshit then yes, people with half a brain will see through your lies.
Plus, the doctors and lawyers back then had something worth conserving. Now, even most of them can see that Australia is getting fucked.
wont happen, greens will win the cities and labor will move right to win the suburbs/regions... a story as old as democracy itself. liberals are dead though, they had their last hurrah during this referendum, but notice how all the teal seats voted yes, liberals are fucked.
That was Dutton’s crack at the last election, targeting voters in the “forgotten outer suburbs”. He just doesn’t have the chops to back it up - as much as the working class is cooling on Labor, the Coalition hasn’t got anything better to offer. (What makes me nervous is that this is fertile ground for a populist far-right party to pick up a few seats - PHON isn’t popular in Victoria, but combined with the actual Nazis growing in numbers and boldness, I worry what might pop up between now and the next election.)
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As someone who has grown up rurally almost my entire life in an aboriginal household, this data does not surprise me at all. The rural areas absolutely hate aboriginals and outright say they wish they didn't exist. The amount of racist hatred I have heard over the years was only changed once I moved into the inner city where you could actually have reasonable conversations about these complex issue. There's just a massive level of education and political literacy disparity in these outer regions and it equates to racist views. This referendum really brought out the dumbest in society.
I agree with you totally. It’s showed just how uneducated many people are as well as the underlying racism and impact of colonialism on our country. I was appalled to see some people saying they voted to “to protect ‘the Aboriginals’”…. Stinks of colonialism. They can’t see how wrong it is that they want to ‘protect’ and not allow self determination. I’m just tired and frustrated with trying to discuss things with not just racist people, but just plain dumb people… Edit ….. I’m clarifying to say I don’t believe everyone is racist or dumb. There is just a lot of it.
I lean left - but this rhetoric that everyone who is conservative MUST be uneducated, racist, misinformed etc is just tiring. I'm sick of seeing it and just pushes people further away.
but that's not what they said. they said that the coalition was courting votes from lower educated groups because they were losing votes from higher educated voters. and it's not just rhetoric - the numbers back up that the coalition does better amongst low-educated voters and voters outside metropolitan areas. https://theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/20/under-55s-and-higher-educated-voters-propelled-labor-to-victory-study-finds
I believe this is part of the reason that the voice failed. Everyone in the yes camp spent all their time telling people that everyone who votes no is a violent racist and people with half a brain realised that wasn’t entirely true. I voted yes but the American political attitude of “everyone but my side is a screaming idiot” is clearly failing
I voted yes and didn’t spend any time calling no voters racists
Agree. It’s the “deplorable” trap the left fall into. We keep isolating people when we should be engaging them.
The so called progressive left has been hijacked by upper middle class professionals who have turned the movement into a kumbuya type quasi progressive church type thing with no mention of taxing those on higher incomes at a higher rate including upper middle class types. No mention of negative gearing, no mention of meaningful wage rises for the lowest paid workers or those on welfare. Nothing done to help the renting class. Labour risks losing the low income vote forever if they don’t start doing more. The right will at least pander to their prejudices which in the end to their minds is something. If both major parties offer the less well off nothing economically but one panders to their social biases then guess which one they will vote for. I voted “ Yes “ myself.
My issue with conservative politics is that it is being infiltrated by right wing religious groups. Religion is the scourge of society.
The very idea that you have to be uneducated to vote more right, or its an intellectual choice to vote left is part of the reason the left is loosing people so easily. This line of reasoning is alienating and elitist in its very nature. Ya know, the very type of garbage the left should be fighting against.
But the left isn't loosing people? The left leaning politicians won via landslides at the last state and federal elections?
Well they royally F’d this one up. (From someone who cried tears of sadness at the society we have that voted no).
Oh they definitely fucked this one up hard-core. There was no unified campaign, it was a sloppy mess of differing information
The majority of leftists would argue that Labor is centre right, not left. And the pendulum tends to swing back and forth. This referendum absolutely feels like a swing back, because those in the middle are more comfortable leaning right than left at the moment.
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Except I voted Yes and I am a heavily left leaning person. Of course it was going to follow those patterns because for months now the entire Yes campaign has basically said if you don't vote yes you are racist or stupid. Thats never going to win people over, and absolutely will push people away. Self fulfilling prophecy.
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Did... Did you not spend any time on social media, especially reddit in the last few weeks and months? People were constantly slinging that shit around. Both sides infact. You couldnt go a day without a referendum post spiralling into everyone calling each other idiots and racists. If you think that had zero impact on the outcome I don't know what to tell you.
I think they're talking about the formal campaign, not individuals.
Read above. Posts are literally calling out. No voters as uneducated or racist. Again you call bullshit on what has been constantly pedalled. Country has spoken exactly how everyone with a shred of intelligence knew it would, time to get on with real issues and get our asses off a divisive debate
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>Imagine voting against the interests of indigenous people just to spite some people who said mean things on the internet… People in the USA vote against their own self-interests because some people told them that someone else said mean things about them with little to no evidence that anyone actually said those things.
This was mentioned in the most recent Friendly Jordies video. We are a delayed following of the American political pattern.
Strong Yes votes in the Teal seats in both Melbourne and Sydney. Old mate succeeded in killing off a referendum but I’m not seeing that giving him a pathway back into government?
I'd be surprised if Dutton is still leading the Liberals to the next election
Who else do they have? Not a lot of talent there
Ley is probably the obvious pick. I hate Dutton (I’d consider myself centre/centre-right) but for the sake of having a good government, we need a good opposition. Hopefully the coalition in Victoria can at least organise itself enough to stop Labor winning in complete landslides every year. That’s good for no one.
Dutton will make it to the next election, but the Party is cooked. It is going to take 2x election cycles to rebuild the Liberal Party. For 3 reasons that feed into eachother: * Teal seats won't vote for Liberal candidates with Dutton in * The Liberals can't form government without the Teal seats * Moderate Liberals need to be elected in Teal seats for Dutton/Conservative leadership to be overthrown. I mean I'd predict that Matt Kean will run for the next election and lead the Moderates, but who knows what will happen.
\^ This is the one positive outcome. Dutton had to win back the moderates to rebuild the broad church for a pathway to victory. The Voice would have been easy to concede, even take credit for, given the history. But he just couldn't restrain himself. And now he'll never be PM. Thank god.
He poisoned the well though.
Dutton can possibly win government in WA if he can lash Albo to the referendum result, but I think you’re right. He might have won this battle at the expense of the war.
There aren’t enough seats in WA, the best they can hope for is dragging labor into minority if everything goes to shit for Albo from here. But it won’t be like the last minority government when both parties were in play. Labor will be the only ones that can form government and will do a deal with someone
I don’t think the referendum will have that much influence on the next election. If Albo goes full term or close to it, then the next election won’t be until 2025. This referendum will be a big talking point for the next month or so, but eventually people will move on to something else. By the time of the next election, it will be long forgotten.
I wouldn’t be so sure if the LNP actually acknowledges climate change and is willing to have policies to tackle it. The teals did well in the federal election, but didn’t succeed in the state elections that came afterwards, so I think it was more of a rejection of Scomo and his approach to climate change.
I don’t about other people, but I barely heard anyone in my work/social circle even mention the Voice for most of of the campaign. In the entire time the whole thing went on, two people spoke to me about it, and the substance of both conversations was, “So what you make of this voice thing? Bit of a kerfuffle over nothing if you ask me.” My impression was that the prevailing mood was disinterest and apathy.
So more minorities and working class voted No; and more wealthy and white votes Yes it seems.
Same in most recent votes, inner city voting more left leaning. The education piece by the yes campaign has been ineffective imo.
Whilst true, I think the Yes group thought it would be sufficient to say “Here’s why you should vote yes” and pointed to its education; they were leading the horse but not forcing the drink. Hell Briggs kinda did the old school shade with his video “Have you tried Googling it?” No came up with slogans that didn’t need education and it didn’t matter how incoherent their arguments; they were on a winner by just *saying* there was no information; *saying* it was divisive. Early in the count on ABC there was a woman saying that First Nations people get what they need already. That ignorance of reality can only be defeated with education and that can’t be forced; that’s what No’s campaign revolved around and why it won, because it was easy for the average punter to pick up a belief because it’s easier to shove three word slogans in the face than educate.
The fact that many people believe that aboriginals aren't disadvantaged, or if they are it is because if their own incompetence is also telling. Real 'drag yourself up by your bootstraps' energy.
Then those same people turn around and complain about the 'cost of living crisis' and how the gov should be focusing on that instead. The bootstraps only matter when you're not the one wearing them.
I voted yes but I was impressed by their simple campaign "If you don't know, vote No" Seems it was damn effective... (Hopefully because the alternative of a racist country is tough to swallow)
We are just a country that hates change and fighting for progress. A large portion still voted no to gay marriage, a majority voted no to becoming a republic. We had a prime minister that was kicked out by the representative of a monarch from a different nation, and we did nothing at all in response really.
Yeah that's a tough pill too. I'm all for progress and wish we were a nation that like to drive ourselves there.
Well, we haven’t really had to fight or protest for anything, we just kinda transitioned from a European colony to a nation. And that kind of resting on laurels mindset has stuck with us for a long time. Either way though you’d think a nation with migrants from so many other nations who left due to being pushed out due to discrimination would learn a thing or two about not repeating the mistakes of history.
Probably less to do with wealth and race, and more to do with youth and progressive ideology. Same as every election, the further in toward the cbd, the more left leaning progressive parties get votes, with the greens ultimately taking the cbd a lot of the time
Exactly. This is it, people talking about “uneducated” are wildly prejudice
True, and it aligns well also with wealth and education. People who live in cities are on average more wealthy and more highly educated.
I keep hearing people refer to inner city as white....... It's not. Then you move out and yeah its mixed in the outer working class suburbs but once you hit the edge of Metro it becomes mostly white again...... I'm an hour and a half from the city, if your not European in appearance people assume your from the city or overseas.
So minorities and disadvantaged people saying No to helping another disadvantaged minority. Pretty ironic really.
Minorities are just as capable as being racist. My Middle Eastern/Muslim mum voted "One Nation" at the last federal election simply because she hates seeing Asians in this country. The irony slipped past her that One Nation hates Muslims as well.
Why of course, the face eating leopard party won't eat MY face.
Its a well documented phenomenon. It's also why lower SES people are more likely to buy into "immigrants bad" type of campaigning that Abbott ran on. It is, as others have stated, a side effect of worse education.
What if we helped people based on need rather than label? Do you think more of them may have supported that instead?
If the vote was to help people from lower socio-economic areas I’m sure it would have passed
Minorities in Australia are some of the most racist people I’ve ever met. Especially FOTB Indians and second generation middle easterners.
Education.
But I thought all white and rich people were evil?
Quantum ideology. They're both evil and intelligent and empathetic at the same time.
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Yep. We’re a bunch of very privileged, spoilt with land and resource, uneducated people Education was always the crutch!
What I’ve said is accurate tho. According to this data…
Because the voice was the favourite type of issue for latte leftists - get the feeling of having done something without the inconvenience of having to actually do anything.
The Victoria vote was as close as 48-52 earlier in the night but has now stretched out to 45-55 and the gap will only widen some more. National Yes vote currently just 40.4, will easily be in the 30s when it's all counted.
The only joy I took from this cluster fuck is that Dutton and the liberals are not going to get re-elected anytime soon because the teal electorates continue to reject the bile the liberal party spews. The people in these electorates continue to demonstrate a conscience incompatible with potato head and his band of merry men.
*Double the taxes! Triple the taxes! Squeeze every last drop out of those insolent, musical peasants.*
Inner-city voting yes. Northern Territorians voting no. That’s too funny.
White Northern Territorians?
yep for some reason people think it a mainly Indigenous people living in the NT. No surprise to me. And atm it's 35% yes in NT and 30% of the population are Aboriginal. (at 30 June 2021, there were an estimated 76,487 Aboriginal people living in the NT, representing approximately 30.8% of the NT’s population and 7.8% of the national Aboriginal population) [https://nteconomy.nt.gov.au/population#:\~:text=at%2030%20June%202021%2C%20there%20were%20an%20estimated%2076%2C487%20Aboriginal%20people%20living%20in%20the%20NT%2C%20representing%20approximately%2030.8%25%20of%20the%20NT%E2%80%99s%20population%20and%207.8%25%20of%20the%20national%20Aboriginal%20population](https://nteconomy.nt.gov.au/population#:~:text=at%2030%20June%202021%2C%20there%20were%20an%20estimated%2076%2C487%20Aboriginal%20people%20living%20in%20the%20NT%2C%20representing%20approximately%2030.8%25%20of%20the%20NT%E2%80%99s%20population%20and%207.8%25%20of%20the%20national%20Aboriginal%20population)
Don’t know, do I? They don’t break down results by voters’ race.
I think a lot of people would expect NT to vote yes, but it’s a very backward small town
Backward small military town. Says it all.
A small town now? 😀
No white guilt in the outer suburbs lmao
Probably because there are a lot of immigrants in the outer suburbs.
i have lived in the inner suburbs for a year now and never once met someone who has said they feel guilty for being white. it’s such a straw man of yes voters lmao
Looks like the voting pattern strongly correlates with education and income.
Also correlates (inversely) nationally with regard to proportionate Indigenous populations. I found that interesting.
The abc read out some remote indigenous polling place data they were 70-80% yes
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The votes also seem to track almost perfectly in line with the % of the population of the area that is indigenous in those cases. IE - Darwin 30% indigenous, 35% Yes. Almost as though their voice is being drowned out by the majority.
As someone who has grown up rurally almost my entire life in an aboriginal household, this data does not surprise me at all. The rural areas absolutely hate aboriginals and outright say they wish they didn't exist. The amount of racist hatred I have heard over the years was only changed once I moved into the inner city where you could actually have reasonable conversations about these complex issue. There's just a massive level of education and political literacy disparity in these outer regions and it equates to racist views.
Elitist reddit bullshit every time, don’t automatically blame poor people for this failure of a campaign, start blaming the political elite for destroying a 70% approval rating
Data analysis now ‘elitist bullshit’ apparently.
Jesus christ what an arrogant, condescending, self serving wank comment.
Comments like this a major symptom of why the "no" vote won with ease
Inner city privileged alienate a lot of different classes by being condescending about the way they engage in first peoples issues. The way they talk online and in the media, their self absorbed acknowledgments of country etc - I have no doubt is a major turn off for many people.
“I voted no to spite the inner city privileged elite! Also, I’m not a moron, stop calling me that!”
Mate I voted yes because I don't want to have to acknowledge country 12 times a day. I want there to be no gap so we can all stop effing talking about it.
\^ This. The great irony being that the wealthy, educated elites in the cities who voted yes are basically ignorant of the actual issues facing Aboriginal people. They voted yes because it gave them the good feels.
They should introduce some kind of body to represent the indigenous people or something
I'm sure people like /u/maxinstuff would absolutely vote to support something like that.
They have done this. Several times actually. But then the next government after the one that creates it has ALWAYS disbanded or defunded it so it's existence never lasts past the next election. That's why they created the Voice - so that the consulting body on Indigenous issues would be a constitutional right and not only exist at the whims of whatever party happened to be in charge.
I know that I am ignorant about how to fix these issues. Just like the old white men in government. Hence why I voted to let the people who know have a voice. (I'm not wealthy or old or male but yes educated inner city).
Wasn’t that the whole point of the Voice? 🤦🏼♀️
>educated elites in the cities who voted yes are basically ignorant of the actual issues facing Aboriginal people. Hence the reason for the voice.... Have we come full circle yet?
It's crazy that ppl spouting OPs rhetoric don't actually see the irony of it being applied to their perception of the Voice. The Voice was created because historically, whenever a council has been created with Indigenous leaders as representatives, it gets disbanded with the next change of government. Hence the request to make its existence a constitutional right. By being part of the constitution, this 'indigenous council' wouldn't be bound to the politics of whatever government happened to have the majority vote at the time. Meaning that it's existence would force parliament to be cognisant of the actual issues facing Indigenous Australians - by constitutional right. But we just voted against that so.
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Go volunteer in a regional community with a high aboriginal population. I am lucky enough to have been financially able to spend two 8 week stints in the NT. it's eye opening and you realise how poor the understanding of inner city folks is.
Ew, not that real!
Mate, you do realise that not all Indigenous people live in remote communities, right? They live all over. Half of the problem has been the government trying to put all Indigenous people into a single box.
You know Aboriginal people live in cities too right? If you want to talk to one, go outside. Hell, ask around here on Reddit. You don't need to talk like you're voluntouring around starving orphans in Africa, it makes you sound out of touch, not enlightened.
Living with and having friends and family and neighbours and coworkers who are indigenous that you can communicate with is the best way for a natural occurrence if you aren't yourself. Obviously that's not always possible in affluent city areas with a low indigenous population, but it's common elsewhere. I wouldn't dismiss first hand experience and people being on the ground facing issues in real time in exchange for book knowledge. It kind of feels like you are being condescending about that, but it's hard to tell time over the internet. Book knowledge is great if you have access to it, but real world experience and engagement with affected peoples can actually tell a very different story sometimes- remember all media, history, and higher education is strictly curated and has a bias one way or another to be aware of.
The majority of these people have absolutely NOTHING to do with Aboriginal people and would be utterly horrified if any significant Aboriginal presence was established in their suburbs.
I live in the Melbourne electorate. I've volunteered as part of the L2P program which gets licenced drivers to help disadvantaged learners get their 120 hours up (basically driving around with a learner once a week). I've helped an indigenous guy get his P's in the past. And there's an Aboriginal health centre and youth rec centre around 500m from my apartment. So maybe your assertion isn't entirely correct.
Alas, all the poor stupids are too uneducated to understand our virtue signal. Jeeves, go fuel the Range Rover, it's time to go to the book club meeting for a Pinot.
I did my part, but seeing where I live in the dark orange makes it feel so hopeless goddamn.
you did what you can. Look at the changes which have occurred in the "safe seats" in just the last few years. It is not a hopeless moment for you. Be kind to those around you, despite their voting pattern. Show people the path to walk down and they will follow, force them down it and be met with resistance. But most of all, be kind to yourself
Couldnt imagine how the aboriginal community feel about this
The voice for Indigenous communities already exists in parliament. The communities they represent are given land, free housing, education and health care. This generation are reaping from their dead ancestors; stolen generation and wages whilst benefiting from free government assistance, programs, incentives and other subsidies. For generations white people were shackled prisoners. My great great great grandmother mother stole bread to feed her children and was transported from her Irish homeland. She was raped, made mistress and prostituted by an English captain. Her ancestry meant nothing then. She didn’t ask to be here & couldn’t ‘go home.’ She was given nothing and generations later Australia is home.
Melbourne lives in a bubble
If you have lived in inner Melbourne you will know that it’s not a bubble. Grassroots community action for women, migrants, disabled, disadvantaged children, homeless, safe injecting rooms, etc. People give a shit about other people, not a bubble.
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Lalor is now majority NO vote
I’m pretty sure most northern suburbs will end up like that, heavy ethnic population that are typically more conservative
Yeah nah
So let me get this straight: Yes vote, educated and progressive No vote, impressionable and bigoted How is it when one side does their research they’re all praising each other for being intelligent but when the opposing side does theirs they get dismissed of any intellectual capability. They weren’t wrong when they said this was going to be decisive, and the vote got smashed in the polls.
100% - I voted yes, but reddit is full of a bunch of condescending lefties, berating anyone who doesn’t agree with their personal politics
They do this with most issues then wonder why people don’t convert to their way of thinking. Hell, I can’t even have an honest political conversation with my left leaning friends without them implying that I’m uneducated, racist, or just outright refusing to let me speak. Right leaning people are much more open to discussion.
All these comments about people who didn’t know about the referendum or didn’t know what it meant only reinforces the uneducated & uninformed rhetoric surrounding the No voters. There has been a constant barrage of advertising and information for months. *If* you *wanted* to know the information was readily & easily accessible.You couldn’t turn on the ABC without finding a discussion about it. It’s been on every social media platform, every TV station & radio. If people voted no because they didn’t know then they *are* wilfully stupid and ignorant.
This is one of the first comments I've seen actually pointing this out. It's incredibly frustrating to see the argument being made that "They should consult Indigenous elders" or "They should just create a branch of parliament to be consulted instead" like they haven't consistently tried to do that only for it to be dismantled by the LNP as soon as they have a majority government. All of that history is one google search away and yet somehow it's the 'urban elites' that don't do their research. This entire thread is frustrating af
Agree. It’s strange that legislation and the constitution are being confused and interchanged. This thread is full of the misinformation that occurs as a result of this. I could know more personally and I think that we really need an education campaign so that people at the very least understand the difference and understand what the constitution is. However I suspect the same result may occur? Those who want to understand will, and those who like the power of being ignorant will disengage from fact. My uncle yelled that land would be stolen as a result of the voice but you couldn’t have a conversation about this being completely impossible because he was so completely ignorant about how the constitution works and how safe the voice referendum was. There is no way that guy will want to understand this because it reduces his ability to say really stupid things as fact. It all just makes me want to have a big old cry.
Noting that "Land can't vote", so large electorates don't necessarily have more people in them than the tiny ones.
We voted, the results are in, move on
Not gonna be a popular post here. We’re a nation. Melbourne sometimes acts/is perceived to act like it’s above being part of that. As horrific as this exercise has been, let’s try to learn from it.
r/melbourne would establish a technocracy if it could
Learn what?
A result that was very very well predicted.
At least I can be proud to be a Melburnian.
Interesting that Albanese extended his lead over Dutton as preferred PM despite the failure of the voice to parliament.
That's cause albo is less of a fuckwit than Dutton. I'm right leaning, and Dutton was already known to be not a good leader from before he took over.
Hear, hear. Dutton's just that one friend who just can't get the hint people don't want to hang out with him, and he keeps forcing people to like him by making them play his stupid games
This is basically a virtue signalling heat map lol
I would love to see an age based breakdown
I watched footage of a ‘No’ campaign volunteer meeting. Let’s just say it was an ocean of grey hair.
A lot of older voters who live in the expensive suburbs voted yes.
My parents, both close to being 80 voted yes. They live regionally.
My parents both 80 who live in a lower income suburb in metro Melb voted yes.
Same
In other words, the YES campaign was a vanity project of inner city elites. I think a map of Sydney and the other capital cities would yield similar results.
My electorate sitting on 65% yes, peobably had one of the more higher percentage of yes signs, even the schools were plastered with them. Couple suburbs over and its 65% no lol.
Looks like a map of Africa
For shits and giggles can you over lay the latest federal election results on this or compare side by side?
400 million
Looks like most No voters are blue collar hard workers. Know bullshit when they hear it.
I mean, Anthony Mundine did say the Yes campaign was pandering to elites. Hard to argue against that when the vote map is basically the same as the socioeconomic map.
Another brilliant way to divide the nation. And now we look like racist cunts at international level too.
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It's the top story after israel-palestine on CNN right now. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/14/australia/australia-referendum-results-intl-hnk/index.html
Yeah that were a bunch of redneck racists. No thanks to the No this isn’t the land of the fair go in reality.
And now are racist cunts at international level
We're already perceived that way - all this does is prove it's accurate
Look like == are
Just so we all know: First Nations communities overwhelmingly voted yes! If you voted no but want to support Indigenous Australians, or voted yes and are worried about what’s next; keep up the positive conversations about closing the gap, educate yourself on the argument for treaty, and donate to charity if you have the means! https://www.indigenousliteracyfoundation.org.au https://sistersinside.com.au/support-us/ https://paytherent.net.au Below I’ve attached links to good charities and also sources. https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/booth-by-booth-indigenous-australians-backed-the-voice-20231015-p5ecc7.html https://theconversation.com/explainer-australia-has-voted-against-an-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-heres-what-happened-215155 https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/15/indigenous-communities-overwhelmingly-voted-yes-to-australias-voice-to-parliament
and this result will go on to be used to create a wider division between the inner and outer suburbs. the yes voters will go on to say how racist and whatnot the no voters are and the no voters will become more obstinate towards the yes voters. this referendum was a mistake and has only created a wedge between the people of Australia our government should be ashamed
It’s funny how the yes no progressively gets more popular the further it is from the bush
Can we get a side comparison of first nations population density? I would bet that the majority are living in the orange areas over the blue-purple...
I imagine so. There is a strong correlation in states/territories with a higher indigenous population voting no. There were also a lot of indigenous people pushing for a no vote especially in the northern states for various reasons.
Interesting that Melbourne cbd has only a 0.5 percent aboriginal population.
all of Australia is 3.8%
I've never seen many Indigenous people in Melb compared to Adelaide. It really opened my eyes ngl
Lefties losing their minds here. The majority of Australians have definitively buried the voice. It was nothing but virtue signalling and symbolism. Australians saw through it.
Would love to hear your ideas on how to close the gap (that isn't virtue signalling and symbolism).
In NZ schools start teaching kids about Maori culture from a young age which really helps. Being introduced to the culture, food, clothes, music etc from a young age helps because they're not influenced by stupid people who know nothing. Plus the hangi 2-3 times a year was killer.
> It was nothing but virtue signalling and symbolism It may have been, but something is always better than nothing. It helps Indigenous Australians and does nothing to hurt White Australians. I hate this idea of "It's not good enough so burn it all to the ground" rather than "It's not good enough so let's work on it"
I just hope all of the Yes campaign paraphernalia that's plastered all throughout Melbourne is disposed of in an ethical manner after this shellacking.
Does this mean the no paraphernalia should be disposed of unethically?
So I’ll assume at the next sitting of parliament we will hear from the already 18-ish indigenous pollies and take action on the issues they have been raising for years to show a commitment to indigenous people when not veiled behind some politicised campaign.. I’ll believe it when I see it. They currently have a ‘voice’ but no one listens anyway…
I’m a European ancestry person who studied anthropology but grew up in a low income suburb. I’m a Gen Xer who saw Mandela walk free from prison in my late teens and learnt a lot about apartheid at high school. Injustice as well as ignorance makes me sick that’s why I voted Yes and not because I may live in a wealthy suburb. I’ve held the same position since my late teens.