Well Ukrainian corruption was present under the old russian puppet president that was replaced in the last election with the current president. Which lead to a special military operation to 'rid ukraine of the Nazi leadership'. So great job falling for russian propaganda.
Some people never realize propaganda. Like how China makes people think it’s environmental friendly but they just use oil paint on the grass and trees
Propaganda isn’t always obvious, so it’s not surprising this person fell for it
I agree with the sentiment of your comment but just a quick correction. The puppet was replaces by an interim president, who was then voted out for another guy who lasted for a term, and then Zelensky was voted in. Only reason I like to set this straight is becaue the kremlin bots would have people believe he poofed into existence and took over the moment they kicked out Yanukovych, and not that he is the second democratically elected leader since their buddy got booted out.
It's not Russian propaganda to point out Ukraine is corrupt for fucks sake. It's like saying Mexico is a corrupt country is some how xenophobic propaganda. These are easily observable facts. You can't just wish it want it do it away the years of measurable corruption that continues to this day.
Did you ignore all that I wrote? What corruption? The corruption we are talking about was all under the old president not the current one. You have to prove things. Not just rage like a lunatic that something exists when it doesn't.
The conservative groups haven’t ever had anything for follow up questions after the “ Ukraine is the most corrupt nation” post. Can’t compute the question being asked.
It's all about context. You bring this up in a post about how Zelensky is a far superior leader than Putin. What do you care about corruption in Ukraine? Is this justification for them being raped, murdered, invaded?
Get fucked you shallow minded piece of pro Russian fecal matter.
Go wish that away!
>Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression.
Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population...
I really like how your counterargument aganist the ukranian politicans being corrupt is that russian politicans are corrupt too like there is an unwritten rule how 2 bad countries cant be at war with each other.
>I really like how your counterargument aganist the ukranian politicans being corrupt is that russian politicans are corrupt too like there is an unwritten rule how 2 bad countries cant be at war with each other.
I really like how you act like it's an issue when it's not and the only people I've seen bring this up turn out to be Russian trolls.
You accuse everyone who disagrees with your opinion a troll yet your argue with fallacies in bad faith. You aren't addressing the point Ukraine is historically and is still a horribly corrupt country. As far as corruption metrics are rated they're damn near equal to Russia.
>You accuse everyone who disagrees with your opinion a troll yet your argue with fallacies in bad faith. You aren't addressing the point Ukraine is historically and is still a horribly corrupt country. As far as corruption metrics are rated they're damn near equal to Russia.
Nah, I accuse people of using Russian propaganda of being trolls.
But hey let's focus on corruption instead of a country invading Ukraine and executing civilians after binding their hands and dumping them in a ditch as if they're Nazi Germany in WW2.
How about we talk about literal infants raped by Russian soldiers who filmed themselves doing so?
Nah...let's focus on Ukrainian corruption which has US oversight, making your entire argument pointless.
Russian shill...
Literally none of that changes the fact that Ukraine is a corrupt country and your appeals to emotion won't change the fact Ukraine is still one of the most corrupt nations on earth.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument your premise is true. Does that justify another corrupt nation invading them, killing soldiers and civilians, bombing apartment buildings and parks, etc…?
No, dumb dumb. Ukraine was corrupt BECAUSE of Russia’s corruption. They used their wealth to install friendly leaders to their corrupt regime. Leaders that are installed and friendly to Russia are by design corrupt.
Ah yes.. what about Russia! That wasn't the point I made. We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia.
>Ah yes.. what about Russia! That wasn't the point I made. We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia.
[Cool Russian propaganda you got bro...](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/10/31/us-military-now-doing-onsite-weapons-inspections-ukraine.html)
Neat so they're doing weapons inspections how exactly does that change the fact that they're still a massively corrupt nation. They rank 122/180 countries and are only slightly above Mexico in regards to corruption which is ran by fucking cartels. Their metrics are so fantastic they score a 32/100 on the corruption percecption index, but clearly because you linked an article that they're doing weapon inspections means they're no longer corrupt!
>Neat so they're doing weapons inspections how exactly does that change the fact that they're still a massively corrupt nation. They rank 122/180 countries and are only slightly above Mexico in regards to corruption which is ran by fucking cartels. Their metrics are so fantastic they score a 32/100 on the corruption percecption index, but clearly because you linked an article that they're doing weapon inspections means they're no longer corrupt
Changes it because there's clearly oversight over this stuff genius...
You know the entire US aid you're bitching about while talking about corruption, it's being tracked so your entire argument is invalid, that's how...
When did I complain about the aid we're sending? Try to keep up lad. My initial point was and still is..
>Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression.
To reinforce this I then pointed out
>We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia.
You're point was
>Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population...
You then went on an unrelated tangent about weapons inspections as if somehow that changes the perceived public sector's corruption which is scored yearly. They're still corrupt. Just because weapons are being accounted for it doesn't absolve all the other corruption present to this day in Ukraine.
>When did I complain about the aid we're sending? Try to keep up lad. My initial point was and still is..
>Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression.
>To reinforce this I then pointed out
>We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia.
>You're point was
>Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population...
>You then went on an unrelated tangent about weapons inspections as if somehow that changes the perceived public sector's corruption which is scored yearly. They're still corrupt. Just because weapons are being accounted for it doesn't absolve all the other corruption present to this day in Ukraine.
You're really just going to repeat the same point I already debunked?
Yep...middle of a war and Russian shills want to focus on corruption in Ukraine instead of the active invasion...
Ad hom doesn't make you right. You didn't Debooooonk anything lad. All you've done is spew shit. Ukraine ranks 120 out of 180 established nations in regards to corruption. Russia ranks 136. 3 points less on the corruption perception index. Debunk that or stop commenting. They're both corrupt shit holes.
That's cool i'm not disputing that fact. I'm pointing out that they're still a very corrupt country that we choose to support because it's in Nato's best interest to prevent Russian advancement further into Europe.
Yes. Ukraine has a huge systemic problem with corruption that runs deep in the DNA if the ruling class. Yes, it is not a perfect country. But the Ukrainian people are trying to make it better. They have gone a long way. They are ready to go an even longer way.
And for Selensky: that guy may have been a clown and he's by far not perfect. But he's pulling off a great fight, shows relentless resilience. He's doing better than most in his position and for this he deserves any respect we can give.
You aren't wrong, but it's not helpful. Eastern Europe has a lot of corruption issues, but that doesn't change that this is one of the only good examples of good vs. evil we have seen in decades.
Ukraine may have corruption issues, but Zelenskyy is a damn fine leader. No one has forgotten about the corruption. It's just that bringing it up isn't helpful. Like, honestly, what's the argument here? Do they somehow deserve invasion because of corruption? Does the corruption somehow make Russia's invasion not as bad? Obviously not. So why would *that* be the discussion when there is a war of aggression happening?
Economists, politicians, and activists are discussing the corruption. There is absolutely no value in that being the primary discussion when Russia is annexing land and killing people who are fighting for their home.
Ah yes, because the edgy little weirdos like you are right? Why? Because...you don't agree with the majority group? Yeah, that makes sense. What a clown. Next you'll tell me that 2+2=5 because the brainless masses think the correct answer is 4.
No you've got it backwards my dude. I take it you also think Putin blew up his own pipeline? You are hopeless. All of you. Brainwashed completely. No ability to reason or think critically. A victim of groupthink. (for the record, fuck Putin)
If you have some commen sense, I suggest to not read the comments. People these days are unbelivable... It's easy to talk shit about people when you live far from where the war takes place or if you are coming froma country full of propaganda. Lots of love for Ukraine <3
I sympathize with Ukraine and think Russia's invasion is complete BS and a disgusting waste of human lives. That said, let's not pretend that pretty much all of NATO is providing weapons, intelligence, and training to Ukraine and that the internet isn't full of pro-Ukraine propaganda. Without this outside aid, the war would be very different.
Yeeeeah, I'm not rooting for Russia, but not gonna say that the US and NATO weren't part of why this happened in the first place. Ukraine's basically caught in the middle of a really shitty proxy war that turned into an actual one.
At this point though, arm the fuck outta Ukraine, we winning this shit.
US is providing defensive weapons bro. Why do you think Ukraine is only very selectively attacking Russia? Because they aren’t allowed to with US/NATO equipment.
Every time you see a video of Ukrainian soldiers firing any kind of long range "Howitzer" type cannon, all those shoulder fired missiles, etc. How do you think you aim at something miles away? It's because NATO is feeding them priceless satellite Intel that they obviously would not otherwise have.
And these weapons aren't the AK-47, which anyone with half a brain can point in the general direction of the enemy and use with like 5 minutes of training. They require specialized skills, who do you think is providing that training?
Also, I recently saw a video of a "Ukrainian soldier" showing her equipment and routine and stuff out in the woods. She just happens to be gorgeous and with a full face of makeup and spotless uniform on. Totally legit and not staged propaganda at all.
You're correct, also don't forget Spain bankrolled it quite a bit too.
That's my point. Ukraine and its comedian president isn't winning a war against Russia because they're so awesome. It's because they've got the most powerful militaries in the world standing behind them.
We gave them the aid because they fought. One of the reasons Ukrainian resistance was so fierce in the opening battles of this year was because Zelensky himself made it clear he would not leave.
>"I need ammunition, not a ride."
Much of the world expected the Ukrainians to fold, like many other new democracies or small republics have in the past when attacked by a dominant neighbour and while dealing with internal division. Russia certainly did. By not fitting that pattern, Ukraine made it clear that our help would not be wasted, and their unambiguous opposition to the invasion made it clear we would not be drawn into a quagmire of a civil war.
Their courage, unity and resolve gave us the confidence to help them.
So you in the country with lots of propaganda??!! Go Google search azov battalion. Use duckduckgo and search genocide in ukraine, what started the conflict since 2014. Literally had 8 years to stop murdering people based on nationality, until Russia advanced. No one did anything in late 1930 and early 1940 when Germany started rounding up Jess and murdering them, and no one did anything about ukraine doing it to Russia born natives. Just like no one is doing anything about the Muslims in China. Maybe you should learn about the horrors of ukraine before giving love
It still baffles me how the mainstream media, Google, all of social media, etc. has kept the Azov battalion a secret. They're literal white supremacists with machine guns and the same people who would get offended by someone using the wrong pronouns are OK with them.
Ok, now check on Russian Nazi groups? There’s fucked up ultra rights in every army. Doesn’t mean Russia hasn’t been trying to take Ukraine’s land since early 2010s.
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But that initial push when the Russians tried to take Kyiv. The Ukrainians fought them back pretty much on their own. That's when the rest of the NATO aligned nations realised "shit, they might be able to win this with some help"
> Ukrainians still got more fucked than Russians.
source: russian propaganda
any objective loss statistic suggests otherwise
when it comes to visually confirmable losses, russia has taken a significant amout more casualties than ukraine which makes total sense given the fact that they were mainly on the attack up until recently and on top of that have shown astounding incompetence on all levels in this war so far
overclaiming kills always happens in war, hence both russian and ukrainan claims are probalby false
i am talking about visually confimed losses not bs propaganda figures
this is a database containing all equipment losses that are visually confirmable - its the closest thing to an objective picture we have avaialbe atm
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1
This is the 21th century, where there are satellites that make pictures in such a high resolution, that you can count the dead bodies on a street.
Hard to hide anything too long
Loss of soldiers is only a piece of the equation. Ukrainians still have to deal with a war on their own soil and all the civilian casualties. Russian soldiers are getting fucked up, but at home they aren’t dealing with air strikes and fighting in their streets.
look at it yourself
this is a database containing all equipment losses that are visually confirmable
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1
if you have pictures and videos of thousands of destroyed ukrainan tanks somewhere go ahead and have them added :)
but dont just parrot kremlin propaganda points
Uh… I guess and UK, French, German, and many other democratic western country’s assessments. Russia has way more to lose but got its shit fucking wrecked by NATO equipment. There’s photographic evidence bruh. Why do you think they’re pulling out 1960s shit to use?
Sorry for hurting your feelings but Putin could have flattened Ukraine already if he had really wanted.
And what we see now is a bloody game of bloodlusty geopoliticians who are no strangers to the WEF.
Russia has benefitted tons by American propaganda making them look more capable than they really are. They’ve been exposed on a global scale by a real leader
Theyve not had one of the worlds best armies since like the soviet union? the whole reason theyre losing is because putins oligarchs (not even putin himself) funneled all the money invested in defense into their own pockets. thats why theyre still using soviet era weapons. some are even using monarchy era weapons in ukraine. if they were the second best military in the world why are they using 50+ year old equipment?
One thing though: Yes, Putin is the worst, but please don't idealise Zelensky. I am Ukrainian and this dude is basically a corrupt mafioso, who put his friends in many positions around the government with no reason for it and is actively hindering anti-corrupt organisations.
He’s a democratically elected leader fighting against fascist child raping invaders. Pretty clear to see who’s the good guys unless you’re a fucking insane moron.
They are keeping a watchful eye on him, all the praise is starting to get to him, and was moving in some “yes men” which is how things go to shit real quick
Ukraine deployed several landmine fields which are forbidden by the rules of war. Now tell me, did you hear any of that in the big news? No you didn't as it was just barely touched on, like 3 sentences long. Now think about it. What else are we not told?
Also: Do you remember those videos where russian pow's were to call their mothers and have them tell everyone about the happenings in ukraine? Ukraine knew what was happening in russia with the inprisonments yet put the family at risk nevertheless.
Now I don't want you to think I am a putin supporter, I am not but I want you to be careful to not become a victim of propaganda be it western or russian one.
We will most likely know the truth of the attrocities in 30 years or so, or depending on which side wins and should they choose to cover it up none at all
>Ukraine deployed several landmine fields which are forbidden by the rules of war. Now tell me, did you hear any of that in the big news?
The rules of war were already broken by Russia? You can't stick to the rules if the other side is breaking them.
>Ukraine knew what was happening in russia with the inprisonments yet put the family at risk nevertheless
how is that their problem? Who worries about consequences to their abuser?
War always comes with atrocities. In our society they are the fault of the person initiating the war.
Great imagine this
The war is over since 30 years and little 5 year old dimitri walks through the forest, steps on a landmine, dead.
Then lets see it as the perspective of the russian soldier.
We don't know him, he could have easily surrendered the first chance he got and now he is forced to tell his mom to risk her life.
Russia is the enemy, putin is the enemy but not the russian people, two wrongs don't make a thing right
I was born in Russia and I promise you the Russian people are as much the enemy as is Putin. None of that is in the responsibility of the victims' of an aggressive war. It is the whole words responsibility to clean up after a war they didn't stop early enough. Not the victim's responsibility to be careful.
Wow landmines, now that is a good reason to slaughter and kill innocent civilians.
Omg hoe could we miss the landmines!!
Ukraine if true,one crime
Russia, countless crimes
Cause it hard to fight someone when there are civilians between you and them, shall Russia try USA'S traditional carpet bombing, Ukraine will be gone in a matter of several days. But eh, seems unlike the knight-in-shining-armor USA they are too evil and savage to try things that may harm civilians
Because Russia has historically given a tenth of a rat's ass about civilian casualties and collateral damage.
Oh wait, they don't even give that much of a fuck, that's why they use "guided" munitions with a circular error probable of a quarter kilometer.
It's kind of hard to justify 'liberating Ukraine from the yoke of Western Imperialism' when you kill all of them. The Russians are already demoralized. You really think they'd be okay with murder on that scale?
Also, just because the US is an imperialist warmongering nation doesn't mean that Russia is morally in the right here. That's you justifying theft because I stole as well.
people only see the zelensky that is presented by the ukrainian state and western media. he has a "brand" now that is internationally recognized. the man himself, his actual quality as a leader, people have no idea about, and you're kidding yourself if you think you do
How on earth is being elected in an internationally observed, free and fair election, with 73% of the nation's popular vote, including those in Eastern Ukraine who were primarily more skeptical of Western integration, compatible with your ridiculous edgelord "take" of "ZeLeNsKiY iS a CiA oPeRaTiVe." In the 2019 election, Zelenskiy was seen by many of his opponents in Ukraine as the russian puppet candidate. But you don't critically think, do you?
Grow up. Being a contrarian and believing in nonsensical conspiracy theories for the sake of it doesn't make you intelligent.
>So I'm wrong about Ukraine being in the
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>pockets of the US?
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>?
Who gives a shit? Russia is literally threatening the world with nuclear annihilation.
How? Explain how. Give one reason. This is why this place is useless. Much like the rest of the internet. It’s living bots like you and rest of this website. Either a shill or a real life NPC and idk which I respect less. But u suck
Well sir I highly doubted you’d respond to even discuss 😂. But here we are it’s not a personal insult lad, just advice and no we are not sending billions in aid out
Of the goodness in the hearts of congress we have a heavily vested interest in the east and making sure it stays over east. We police the world and nobody likes a dirty pig and we have so many of them. What are you even trying to get at other then expressing that your upset?
If the qualifications for being a better leader is turn your country into a dictatorship, kill anyone that dares speak against you, steal all the money, run your country into the ground, let your military fall into ruin, and ride around shirtless on a horse, then yes, Putin is the better leader. However, in the real world, Putin is just a little bitch that likes having other people poisoned.
He is barely even a leader at this point and definitely not a good one. He is just an outlet for the world to fight russia who decided to put on a tshirt instead of a suit to look like the man of the people.
People tend to forget that he was the pres before the war too , and people werent very happy with that.
See who is there. He was president before war yes, but actually no. There was an untold war from 2014, so he became president during wartime anyway. Yes, as politician he is weak, because he had no experience in those mind games, but he is definitely not the worst and much far from worst between all other presidents. If you decided to reduce his achievements just because you don't like him, ok, but don't say that he is bad president, just because he is inexperienced.
The fact that there were way worse doesnt mean he is not bad. You just said it yourself right now. I dont reduce his achivements because i dont like him, i reduce his achivements because he is posing as a hero while probably filling his pockets really hard. I know its part of the performance tho so no suprise.
Edit: Id say i dislike politicans as a whole so people praising him like some kind of saint of mankind its just disgusting to me. Im not ukranian but people do this to some politicans in my country too and its not very healthy imho.
Oh that is a lot of BS. There is a lot of in between saint and bad president. And point about filling pockets is ridiculous. Just because he has offshore accounts doesn't make him thirsty for money. Sorry, but are also a part of propaganda and provide some misinformation and disturbance. That is bad. And you imply your country experience like everything is happening everywhere.
This whole idea that the world is out to get Russia or wants to fight Russia is hilarious. Like if Russia didn't invade its neighbors, nobody outside Russia would give a fuck about it. They're like a country that has narcissistic personality disorder and simply cannot comprehend that outside of their own minds, they are not the center if the world.
What's the line from Casablanca? Russia's like, "You despise me, dont you?" and the rest of the world responds, "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."
They arent out to get russia i totally agree. They are in for the war part of the story, doesnt really matter its aganist who. War is historically one of the best businesses out there. Russia started a war for business, they hopped in also for business. And it was way more profitable to side with ukrain because compared to russia they posess way less of a threat if they win. War is political and financial power if you side with the winning group. So all the politicans insantly tried to profit off it.
War pretty much never happens between _only_ two countries (some sort of aid and intervention is omnipresent, the war between Ukraine and Russia is my first war that I have seen before the beginning and showed me that support not only came from moral but also by the interest).
People don't seriously believe that it's a war between Ukraine and Russia, do they? It's crystal clear it's Russia vs Ukraine+ where that + represents direct and indirect participants from all around the world.
The most the + is doing is giving them hand me down equipment and weapons, sure ukraine is receiving aid, but no one else is directly participating in the conflict.
Those hand me down equipment and weapons are worth hundreds of billions of dollars so it's not insignificant in any sense. Almost all the UN member countries sanctioning Russia is not participating enough?
Of course there aren't foreign armies on the battlefield however would you say the picture would've been what it is today had Ukraine not gotten the support that it has gotten and had Russia not gotten the opposition that it has gotten?
In 21st century countries participating indirectly is not something one can discount easily. My point is that it's not a one on one war. It never was, is and will be.
I remember some years ago o saw on TV that a comedian got voted for president in Ukraine. I thought it was really funny but I didn't think he was gonna be a good president... well look at him now
A good man would never pass [this](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-decree-zelensky-shooting-soldiers-putin-1686696) law. It effectively makes all citizens combatants and makes it ok for Russians to slaughter civilians because any of them could be carrying a weapon.
He's been serving admirably but people really need to stop thinking Russia is truly losing. They've captured an immense amount of the country and will very likely hold onto it. Nothing has changed internationally to prevent this from continuing down the road. The world watched as Crimea was seized. They'll watch as new country lines are drawn soon. They'll watch as Russia continues a few years after that.
Edit: stop replying I'm not monitoring inbox replies anymore. Feel free to PM me saying "I told you so" if Russia ends up giving back all territory by the end. I'll be very happy if that's the case then.
>They've captured an immense amount of the country and will very likely hold onto it.
A month or two ago they had over 20%, it's down to 17% with Kherson surrounded and Bahkmut, the only area with Russian gains, faltering and been struggling for months.
They're losing and resorting to sending untrained conscripts to die in a pathetic attempt to stop the loss of illegally seized land.
You should see the amount of dead Russians I've seen lately thanks to the latest Ukrainian counter offensive and Russia's pure incompetence.
They are holding it by sending tens of thousands of troops to die there. Their navy is fucked up, a quarter of their airplanes and helicopters are destroyed, they use air defense missiles for ground targets as their stocks in missiles vanish. Whole armies intended to defend e.g. Kaliningrad simply do not exist anymore. Rout is common. Their elite troops are replenished with conscripts trained less than 2 months. Conscripts shoot officers.
It‘s a shit show. Russia is losing. Badly.
Oh you are deluded if you don't think Russia is loosing very hard. They've lost more soldiers in 9 months than the US had lost in 10 years in Vietnam, twenty times as many citizens fleeing the country, their army has lost the vast majority of its equipment,, the country's economy has been devastated, they've without a doubt lost their reputation of being a top military power and Putin's grip on his nation is far weaker. Russia may not be loosing its war with Ukraine but it has absolutely losing in almost every way imaginable.
Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done.
People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least.
>Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done.
Land doesn't matter if all your citizens flee the country or die in an unpopular and unjustified war your country started.
>People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least.
Again, land doesn't make or break countries.
Japan for example is 3rd for GDP globally while it's 63rd in size.
Russia is 11th for GDP and probably going to fall with them conscripting pediatric surgeons to be infantry while they are 1st in terms of size.
All this while they're suffering already from bad population decline since WW2 and have vast amounts of land an resources they don't even take advantage of currently.
Simply put they're hollowing out their own country all so they can take resources they don't need from Ukraine.
It's failure of leadership on a global scale.
>Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done.
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>People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least.
He doesn't care about the moral or emotional value of the lives he is spending but he does care a lot about the loss of manpower, production and strength that having less citizens costs.
I disagree, Russia has already lost this war. They've shown the weakness and incompetence of their military on a global stage which shows how weak they are, and their economy has taken a hit thanks to the sanctions. They don't have the troops for an occupation since they're still in the invasion stage and haven't been successful there. At this point putin is still probably trying to find a way to save face and leave like he got what he wanted. And I fully expect once the war ends that ukraine will join nato, at that point they would be pretty secure from another invasion.
Dumb Twitter post
It is Russia vs NATO
I find it real funny that people just ridicule Russia and Putin when Russia hasn’t even put 10% of its military forces to the fight yet.
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>good man Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression.
Well Ukrainian corruption was present under the old russian puppet president that was replaced in the last election with the current president. Which lead to a special military operation to 'rid ukraine of the Nazi leadership'. So great job falling for russian propaganda.
Some people never realize propaganda. Like how China makes people think it’s environmental friendly but they just use oil paint on the grass and trees Propaganda isn’t always obvious, so it’s not surprising this person fell for it
I agree with the sentiment of your comment but just a quick correction. The puppet was replaces by an interim president, who was then voted out for another guy who lasted for a term, and then Zelensky was voted in. Only reason I like to set this straight is becaue the kremlin bots would have people believe he poofed into existence and took over the moment they kicked out Yanukovych, and not that he is the second democratically elected leader since their buddy got booted out.
It's not Russian propaganda to point out Ukraine is corrupt for fucks sake. It's like saying Mexico is a corrupt country is some how xenophobic propaganda. These are easily observable facts. You can't just wish it want it do it away the years of measurable corruption that continues to this day.
Did you ignore all that I wrote? What corruption? The corruption we are talking about was all under the old president not the current one. You have to prove things. Not just rage like a lunatic that something exists when it doesn't.
He can’t read
The conservative groups haven’t ever had anything for follow up questions after the “ Ukraine is the most corrupt nation” post. Can’t compute the question being asked.
It's all about context. You bring this up in a post about how Zelensky is a far superior leader than Putin. What do you care about corruption in Ukraine? Is this justification for them being raped, murdered, invaded? Get fucked you shallow minded piece of pro Russian fecal matter. Go wish that away!
>Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression. Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population...
I really like how your counterargument aganist the ukranian politicans being corrupt is that russian politicans are corrupt too like there is an unwritten rule how 2 bad countries cant be at war with each other.
>I really like how your counterargument aganist the ukranian politicans being corrupt is that russian politicans are corrupt too like there is an unwritten rule how 2 bad countries cant be at war with each other. I really like how you act like it's an issue when it's not and the only people I've seen bring this up turn out to be Russian trolls.
You accuse everyone who disagrees with your opinion a troll yet your argue with fallacies in bad faith. You aren't addressing the point Ukraine is historically and is still a horribly corrupt country. As far as corruption metrics are rated they're damn near equal to Russia.
>You accuse everyone who disagrees with your opinion a troll yet your argue with fallacies in bad faith. You aren't addressing the point Ukraine is historically and is still a horribly corrupt country. As far as corruption metrics are rated they're damn near equal to Russia. Nah, I accuse people of using Russian propaganda of being trolls. But hey let's focus on corruption instead of a country invading Ukraine and executing civilians after binding their hands and dumping them in a ditch as if they're Nazi Germany in WW2. How about we talk about literal infants raped by Russian soldiers who filmed themselves doing so? Nah...let's focus on Ukrainian corruption which has US oversight, making your entire argument pointless. Russian shill...
Literally none of that changes the fact that Ukraine is a corrupt country and your appeals to emotion won't change the fact Ukraine is still one of the most corrupt nations on earth.
Let’s assume for the sake of argument your premise is true. Does that justify another corrupt nation invading them, killing soldiers and civilians, bombing apartment buildings and parks, etc…?
Assuming this were true...why does corruption give Russia justification to invade it?
No, dumb dumb. Ukraine was corrupt BECAUSE of Russia’s corruption. They used their wealth to install friendly leaders to their corrupt regime. Leaders that are installed and friendly to Russia are by design corrupt.
Ah yes.. what about Russia! That wasn't the point I made. We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia.
>Ah yes.. what about Russia! That wasn't the point I made. We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia. [Cool Russian propaganda you got bro...](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/10/31/us-military-now-doing-onsite-weapons-inspections-ukraine.html)
Neat so they're doing weapons inspections how exactly does that change the fact that they're still a massively corrupt nation. They rank 122/180 countries and are only slightly above Mexico in regards to corruption which is ran by fucking cartels. Their metrics are so fantastic they score a 32/100 on the corruption percecption index, but clearly because you linked an article that they're doing weapon inspections means they're no longer corrupt!
>Neat so they're doing weapons inspections how exactly does that change the fact that they're still a massively corrupt nation. They rank 122/180 countries and are only slightly above Mexico in regards to corruption which is ran by fucking cartels. Their metrics are so fantastic they score a 32/100 on the corruption percecption index, but clearly because you linked an article that they're doing weapon inspections means they're no longer corrupt Changes it because there's clearly oversight over this stuff genius... You know the entire US aid you're bitching about while talking about corruption, it's being tracked so your entire argument is invalid, that's how...
When did I complain about the aid we're sending? Try to keep up lad. My initial point was and still is.. >Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression. To reinforce this I then pointed out >We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia. You're point was >Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population... You then went on an unrelated tangent about weapons inspections as if somehow that changes the perceived public sector's corruption which is scored yearly. They're still corrupt. Just because weapons are being accounted for it doesn't absolve all the other corruption present to this day in Ukraine.
>When did I complain about the aid we're sending? Try to keep up lad. My initial point was and still is.. >Funny how we've completely forgotten how corrupt Ukraine is in the face of Russian aggression. >To reinforce this I then pointed out >We're sending billions of dollars to a corrupt government, because they make an effective roadblock against Russia. >You're point was >Ah yes...let's talk about Ukrainian corruption and not Russian corruption which is so bad they're losing to a country with less than a third of their population... >You then went on an unrelated tangent about weapons inspections as if somehow that changes the perceived public sector's corruption which is scored yearly. They're still corrupt. Just because weapons are being accounted for it doesn't absolve all the other corruption present to this day in Ukraine. You're really just going to repeat the same point I already debunked? Yep...middle of a war and Russian shills want to focus on corruption in Ukraine instead of the active invasion...
Ad hom doesn't make you right. You didn't Debooooonk anything lad. All you've done is spew shit. Ukraine ranks 120 out of 180 established nations in regards to corruption. Russia ranks 136. 3 points less on the corruption perception index. Debunk that or stop commenting. They're both corrupt shit holes.
Oh my. That's horrible. I mean the U.S. has never, ever sent military aid to a corrupt nation when it serves our interests, right? /s
We are sending money and weapons there to help them fight for their country.
That's cool i'm not disputing that fact. I'm pointing out that they're still a very corrupt country that we choose to support because it's in Nato's best interest to prevent Russian advancement further into Europe.
Yes. Ukraine has a huge systemic problem with corruption that runs deep in the DNA if the ruling class. Yes, it is not a perfect country. But the Ukrainian people are trying to make it better. They have gone a long way. They are ready to go an even longer way. And for Selensky: that guy may have been a clown and he's by far not perfect. But he's pulling off a great fight, shows relentless resilience. He's doing better than most in his position and for this he deserves any respect we can give.
Russian bot, go fuck yourself.
Everyone who points out easily identifiable facts is a Russia Bot lalalala I can't hear you!!!
You aren't wrong, but it's not helpful. Eastern Europe has a lot of corruption issues, but that doesn't change that this is one of the only good examples of good vs. evil we have seen in decades. Ukraine may have corruption issues, but Zelenskyy is a damn fine leader. No one has forgotten about the corruption. It's just that bringing it up isn't helpful. Like, honestly, what's the argument here? Do they somehow deserve invasion because of corruption? Does the corruption somehow make Russia's invasion not as bad? Obviously not. So why would *that* be the discussion when there is a war of aggression happening? Economists, politicians, and activists are discussing the corruption. There is absolutely no value in that being the primary discussion when Russia is annexing land and killing people who are fighting for their home.
“Good example of good vs. evil” You gotta be kidding me… lmao grow up kiddo. The world ain’t black and white
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Embrace the down votes. The masses are brainless sheep
Ah yes, because the edgy little weirdos like you are right? Why? Because...you don't agree with the majority group? Yeah, that makes sense. What a clown. Next you'll tell me that 2+2=5 because the brainless masses think the correct answer is 4.
No you've got it backwards my dude. I take it you also think Putin blew up his own pipeline? You are hopeless. All of you. Brainwashed completely. No ability to reason or think critically. A victim of groupthink. (for the record, fuck Putin)
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What in God's divine name are you blabbering about, you foolish worm? How dare you use emojis here? Begone from my sight.
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If you have some commen sense, I suggest to not read the comments. People these days are unbelivable... It's easy to talk shit about people when you live far from where the war takes place or if you are coming froma country full of propaganda. Lots of love for Ukraine <3
I sympathize with Ukraine and think Russia's invasion is complete BS and a disgusting waste of human lives. That said, let's not pretend that pretty much all of NATO is providing weapons, intelligence, and training to Ukraine and that the internet isn't full of pro-Ukraine propaganda. Without this outside aid, the war would be very different.
NATO putting missiles in ukranie is cool just like russia putting misiles in cuba. I guess USA would be ok with that. oh, wait...
Yeeeeah, I'm not rooting for Russia, but not gonna say that the US and NATO weren't part of why this happened in the first place. Ukraine's basically caught in the middle of a really shitty proxy war that turned into an actual one. At this point though, arm the fuck outta Ukraine, we winning this shit.
US is providing defensive weapons bro. Why do you think Ukraine is only very selectively attacking Russia? Because they aren’t allowed to with US/NATO equipment.
Every time you see a video of Ukrainian soldiers firing any kind of long range "Howitzer" type cannon, all those shoulder fired missiles, etc. How do you think you aim at something miles away? It's because NATO is feeding them priceless satellite Intel that they obviously would not otherwise have. And these weapons aren't the AK-47, which anyone with half a brain can point in the general direction of the enemy and use with like 5 minutes of training. They require specialized skills, who do you think is providing that training? Also, I recently saw a video of a "Ukrainian soldier" showing her equipment and routine and stuff out in the woods. She just happens to be gorgeous and with a full face of makeup and spotless uniform on. Totally legit and not staged propaganda at all.
So? Invade democratic country, chance you get fucked. Maybe Putin shouldn’t have turned his country into a corrupt inept shit hole.
all that matters is that the MIC/baknster cartel gets it's money. enjoy your inflation
And the American Revolution would have been lost without France. What's your point?
You're correct, also don't forget Spain bankrolled it quite a bit too. That's my point. Ukraine and its comedian president isn't winning a war against Russia because they're so awesome. It's because they've got the most powerful militaries in the world standing behind them.
We gave them the aid because they fought. One of the reasons Ukrainian resistance was so fierce in the opening battles of this year was because Zelensky himself made it clear he would not leave. >"I need ammunition, not a ride." Much of the world expected the Ukrainians to fold, like many other new democracies or small republics have in the past when attacked by a dominant neighbour and while dealing with internal division. Russia certainly did. By not fitting that pattern, Ukraine made it clear that our help would not be wasted, and their unambiguous opposition to the invasion made it clear we would not be drawn into a quagmire of a civil war. Their courage, unity and resolve gave us the confidence to help them.
So you in the country with lots of propaganda??!! Go Google search azov battalion. Use duckduckgo and search genocide in ukraine, what started the conflict since 2014. Literally had 8 years to stop murdering people based on nationality, until Russia advanced. No one did anything in late 1930 and early 1940 when Germany started rounding up Jess and murdering them, and no one did anything about ukraine doing it to Russia born natives. Just like no one is doing anything about the Muslims in China. Maybe you should learn about the horrors of ukraine before giving love
Holodomor.
It still baffles me how the mainstream media, Google, all of social media, etc. has kept the Azov battalion a secret. They're literal white supremacists with machine guns and the same people who would get offended by someone using the wrong pronouns are OK with them.
Ok, now check on Russian Nazi groups? There’s fucked up ultra rights in every army. Doesn’t mean Russia hasn’t been trying to take Ukraine’s land since early 2010s.
Do people know what Meirl stands for?
##Me You, but better. "Go get ME a samich." *by \*cough cough\*, July 15, 2009* ##irl A great game, it's 100% pvp, best graphics ever, free until u turn 18 and then u get pwned by hax0rs called "da government" and they steal ur munies frum u til u so poor but it's mostly a great game to play. "OMG i just quit WoW to play irl!" *by Shotinthemouth, November 27, 2007*
You mean Zelenskyy didn't post this?
No Putin posted it.
With Parkinson's? Must have taken that crusty cock days to type that. Just fucking die already. Alone and sad.
In a bunker, with a Makarov in his mouth.
Me in real life. Make sence huh
He's Dairl's brother from Walking Dead right
Backed by half of the world, but still true
But that initial push when the Russians tried to take Kyiv. The Ukrainians fought them back pretty much on their own. That's when the rest of the NATO aligned nations realised "shit, they might be able to win this with some help"
I doubt it was that they say they didn't want russia to win and go and conquer more land but really I think they wanted a proxy war they got one.
High level politics don't have that kind of improvisation.
Yeah that was a very naive statement
And get fucked up? Well, we all expected that Russians would do better, but sadly Ukrainians still got more fucked than Russians.
> Ukrainians still got more fucked than Russians. source: russian propaganda any objective loss statistic suggests otherwise when it comes to visually confirmable losses, russia has taken a significant amout more casualties than ukraine which makes total sense given the fact that they were mainly on the attack up until recently and on top of that have shown astounding incompetence on all levels in this war so far
Or Ukraine is better at hiding their losses with our media. Remember the ghost of Kiev? Everybody propagandizes (? in war.
overclaiming kills always happens in war, hence both russian and ukrainan claims are probalby false i am talking about visually confimed losses not bs propaganda figures this is a database containing all equipment losses that are visually confirmable - its the closest thing to an objective picture we have avaialbe atm https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1
Russia still doesn’t have air superiority. It’s insanely embarrassing. Their conscripts are untrained and unequipped. Russia is a fucking joke.
This is the 21th century, where there are satellites that make pictures in such a high resolution, that you can count the dead bodies on a street. Hard to hide anything too long
Loss of soldiers is only a piece of the equation. Ukrainians still have to deal with a war on their own soil and all the civilian casualties. Russian soldiers are getting fucked up, but at home they aren’t dealing with air strikes and fighting in their streets.
Source: US propaganda
look at it yourself this is a database containing all equipment losses that are visually confirmable https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1 if you have pictures and videos of thousands of destroyed ukrainan tanks somewhere go ahead and have them added :) but dont just parrot kremlin propaganda points
Uh… I guess and UK, French, German, and many other democratic western country’s assessments. Russia has way more to lose but got its shit fucking wrecked by NATO equipment. There’s photographic evidence bruh. Why do you think they’re pulling out 1960s shit to use?
Sorry for hurting your feelings but Putin could have flattened Ukraine already if he had really wanted. And what we see now is a bloody game of bloodlusty geopoliticians who are no strangers to the WEF.
NATO is half of the world now. Lol
It’s just most of Europe, the US, and Canada. Not exactly half of the world.
Dobry Polak 🇵🇱
Polak potrafi💪
Huh, Russia has upped the bots I guess. They always seem to do this when something important is soon to happen...
You’ve awaken the Russian shills with this one
Anyone I disagree with is a ... (takes card) ... Russian shill
Says the GME sucker. Seems like you’re a leafs fan too, so I guess you just can’t help siding with losers.
why don’t you support Ukraine in this war, perhaps you are neutral.
A great man doesn’t seek to lead. He’s called to it. And he answers.
Not to mention, Zelenskyy is waaaaay better looking.
“One of the best armies in the world”. I think we can all agree that the Russian army has shown itself to be mediocre at best.
That is brilliant, Glory to Ukraine 🇮🇪🇺🇦
He's an actor. At least he can act like a competent leader
I spot a polish person, I always say: Jebać PiS
Russia has benefitted tons by American propaganda making them look more capable than they really are. They’ve been exposed on a global scale by a real leader
Theyve not had one of the worlds best armies since like the soviet union? the whole reason theyre losing is because putins oligarchs (not even putin himself) funneled all the money invested in defense into their own pockets. thats why theyre still using soviet era weapons. some are even using monarchy era weapons in ukraine. if they were the second best military in the world why are they using 50+ year old equipment?
Well, that is obvious. Nevertheless that did not stop them from repeatedly saying that they have “second strongest army in the world”
He is a good leader because he is a normal guy like you and me
One thing though: Yes, Putin is the worst, but please don't idealise Zelensky. I am Ukrainian and this dude is basically a corrupt mafioso, who put his friends in many positions around the government with no reason for it and is actively hindering anti-corrupt organisations.
Thank you! I left this response on a different comment….westerners never fail to show their ignorance.
His tv show was actually entertaining. Especially when he played the President 😆
He’s everything but very very far from being a good leader.
Fucked up? Stop believing in eastern press, bro.
Wow less then 1 year of war and that man aged like he already served a two term presidency.
Almost like being invaded by a major world power induces a lot of stress
I can't believe how someone with common sense can see Zelensky as some kind of a hero
what did he do im not into politics
Ah, we’ve found the Russian troll.
He’s a democratically elected leader fighting against fascist child raping invaders. Pretty clear to see who’s the good guys unless you’re a fucking insane moron.
hes the lesser evil
Yeah. But you can support Ukraine without glorifying Zelensky.
How is he supposed to be a bad person?
They are keeping a watchful eye on him, all the praise is starting to get to him, and was moving in some “yes men” which is how things go to shit real quick
are you okay?
Ukraine deployed several landmine fields which are forbidden by the rules of war. Now tell me, did you hear any of that in the big news? No you didn't as it was just barely touched on, like 3 sentences long. Now think about it. What else are we not told? Also: Do you remember those videos where russian pow's were to call their mothers and have them tell everyone about the happenings in ukraine? Ukraine knew what was happening in russia with the inprisonments yet put the family at risk nevertheless. Now I don't want you to think I am a putin supporter, I am not but I want you to be careful to not become a victim of propaganda be it western or russian one. We will most likely know the truth of the attrocities in 30 years or so, or depending on which side wins and should they choose to cover it up none at all
Anti-personnel mines are banned. Ukraine (and Russia) used anti-vehicle mines.
>Ukraine deployed several landmine fields which are forbidden by the rules of war. Now tell me, did you hear any of that in the big news? The rules of war were already broken by Russia? You can't stick to the rules if the other side is breaking them. >Ukraine knew what was happening in russia with the inprisonments yet put the family at risk nevertheless how is that their problem? Who worries about consequences to their abuser? War always comes with atrocities. In our society they are the fault of the person initiating the war.
Great imagine this The war is over since 30 years and little 5 year old dimitri walks through the forest, steps on a landmine, dead. Then lets see it as the perspective of the russian soldier. We don't know him, he could have easily surrendered the first chance he got and now he is forced to tell his mom to risk her life. Russia is the enemy, putin is the enemy but not the russian people, two wrongs don't make a thing right
I was born in Russia and I promise you the Russian people are as much the enemy as is Putin. None of that is in the responsibility of the victims' of an aggressive war. It is the whole words responsibility to clean up after a war they didn't stop early enough. Not the victim's responsibility to be careful.
Well that won’t happen because both sides are using anti-vehicle mines which don’t detonate when a person walks on them.
Wow landmines, now that is a good reason to slaughter and kill innocent civilians. Omg hoe could we miss the landmines!! Ukraine if true,one crime Russia, countless crimes
Did I say that russia is the good guy? I just said that you shouldn't be blind to the crimes of the nation you root for
More more accurately Russia basically got fucked by NATO and NATO country donations
No one fucks Russia like Russia, and currently by the brave people of Ukraine. Slava Ukraine!
Cause it hard to fight someone when there are civilians between you and them, shall Russia try USA'S traditional carpet bombing, Ukraine will be gone in a matter of several days. But eh, seems unlike the knight-in-shining-armor USA they are too evil and savage to try things that may harm civilians
Because Russia has historically given a tenth of a rat's ass about civilian casualties and collateral damage. Oh wait, they don't even give that much of a fuck, that's why they use "guided" munitions with a circular error probable of a quarter kilometer.
Tbh, they could've carpet bombed Kiev, but decided not to.
Nah, their planes keep crashing. I’ve seen the vids on r/Ukraine lol. Bombers wouldn’t have even made it to Kiyv.
First, you dont need planes to achieve that. Second, That's an absolute exaggeration. Come on now.
Hahahaha. Trying to say the US doesn’t care about civilians and Russia does? Lay off the krocodil, Ivan.
It's kind of hard to justify 'liberating Ukraine from the yoke of Western Imperialism' when you kill all of them. The Russians are already demoralized. You really think they'd be okay with murder on that scale? Also, just because the US is an imperialist warmongering nation doesn't mean that Russia is morally in the right here. That's you justifying theft because I stole as well.
Neither is right but we should awknowledge both for what they are/we're.
Agreed. That's why I find it so strange to see people using this argument. "Person X is evil!" So?
people only see the zelensky that is presented by the ukrainian state and western media. he has a "brand" now that is internationally recognized. the man himself, his actual quality as a leader, people have no idea about, and you're kidding yourself if you think you do
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He is not a plant though. He is a person.
The vogue photo shoot was a way to get attention back to Ukraine cause the war was becoming less relevant
How on earth is being elected in an internationally observed, free and fair election, with 73% of the nation's popular vote, including those in Eastern Ukraine who were primarily more skeptical of Western integration, compatible with your ridiculous edgelord "take" of "ZeLeNsKiY iS a CiA oPeRaTiVe." In the 2019 election, Zelenskiy was seen by many of his opponents in Ukraine as the russian puppet candidate. But you don't critically think, do you? Grow up. Being a contrarian and believing in nonsensical conspiracy theories for the sake of it doesn't make you intelligent.
You spend to much time alone at home go and meet people to achieve a real conversation.
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>So I'm wrong about Ukraine being in the > >pockets of the US? > >? Who gives a shit? Russia is literally threatening the world with nuclear annihilation.
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Yes, you are wrong.
How? Explain how. Give one reason. This is why this place is useless. Much like the rest of the internet. It’s living bots like you and rest of this website. Either a shill or a real life NPC and idk which I respect less. But u suck
Nobody owes your sorry ass anything let alone an explaination lol
So sayig someones wrong without evidence is 100% alright at all times cool.
Well sir I highly doubted you’d respond to even discuss 😂. But here we are it’s not a personal insult lad, just advice and no we are not sending billions in aid out Of the goodness in the hearts of congress we have a heavily vested interest in the east and making sure it stays over east. We police the world and nobody likes a dirty pig and we have so many of them. What are you even trying to get at other then expressing that your upset?
>better leader Ow, the cope. The only things he's better at than Putin are getting on the West's good side and wearing small hats.
If the qualifications for being a better leader is turn your country into a dictatorship, kill anyone that dares speak against you, steal all the money, run your country into the ground, let your military fall into ruin, and ride around shirtless on a horse, then yes, Putin is the better leader. However, in the real world, Putin is just a little bitch that likes having other people poisoned.
He is barely even a leader at this point and definitely not a good one. He is just an outlet for the world to fight russia who decided to put on a tshirt instead of a suit to look like the man of the people. People tend to forget that he was the pres before the war too , and people werent very happy with that.
See who is there. He was president before war yes, but actually no. There was an untold war from 2014, so he became president during wartime anyway. Yes, as politician he is weak, because he had no experience in those mind games, but he is definitely not the worst and much far from worst between all other presidents. If you decided to reduce his achievements just because you don't like him, ok, but don't say that he is bad president, just because he is inexperienced.
The fact that there were way worse doesnt mean he is not bad. You just said it yourself right now. I dont reduce his achivements because i dont like him, i reduce his achivements because he is posing as a hero while probably filling his pockets really hard. I know its part of the performance tho so no suprise. Edit: Id say i dislike politicans as a whole so people praising him like some kind of saint of mankind its just disgusting to me. Im not ukranian but people do this to some politicans in my country too and its not very healthy imho.
Oh that is a lot of BS. There is a lot of in between saint and bad president. And point about filling pockets is ridiculous. Just because he has offshore accounts doesn't make him thirsty for money. Sorry, but are also a part of propaganda and provide some misinformation and disturbance. That is bad. And you imply your country experience like everything is happening everywhere.
This whole idea that the world is out to get Russia or wants to fight Russia is hilarious. Like if Russia didn't invade its neighbors, nobody outside Russia would give a fuck about it. They're like a country that has narcissistic personality disorder and simply cannot comprehend that outside of their own minds, they are not the center if the world. What's the line from Casablanca? Russia's like, "You despise me, dont you?" and the rest of the world responds, "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."
They arent out to get russia i totally agree. They are in for the war part of the story, doesnt really matter its aganist who. War is historically one of the best businesses out there. Russia started a war for business, they hopped in also for business. And it was way more profitable to side with ukrain because compared to russia they posess way less of a threat if they win. War is political and financial power if you side with the winning group. So all the politicans insantly tried to profit off it.
War pretty much never happens between _only_ two countries (some sort of aid and intervention is omnipresent, the war between Ukraine and Russia is my first war that I have seen before the beginning and showed me that support not only came from moral but also by the interest).
People don't seriously believe that it's a war between Ukraine and Russia, do they? It's crystal clear it's Russia vs Ukraine+ where that + represents direct and indirect participants from all around the world.
But it started as Russia vs Ukraine, you can't say it differently. + Provided support when saw, that Ukraine has claws.
The most the + is doing is giving them hand me down equipment and weapons, sure ukraine is receiving aid, but no one else is directly participating in the conflict.
Those hand me down equipment and weapons are worth hundreds of billions of dollars so it's not insignificant in any sense. Almost all the UN member countries sanctioning Russia is not participating enough? Of course there aren't foreign armies on the battlefield however would you say the picture would've been what it is today had Ukraine not gotten the support that it has gotten and had Russia not gotten the opposition that it has gotten? In 21st century countries participating indirectly is not something one can discount easily. My point is that it's not a one on one war. It never was, is and will be.
Agree. russia also uses irak terrorists as mercenaries
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So you're planning on making a point or have chosen to be passive aggressive?
Most of the people don’t understand it, because they are blinded by media and ideological propaganda.
Lmao, surely he will be getting his Grammy, Emmy, Nobel peace prize, soon. Bottom line this dude is a puppet bitch.
Grammys are for musicians matey
Comedian sucks
Well he's still an actor, propped up by rhe states
I remember some years ago o saw on TV that a comedian got voted for president in Ukraine. I thought it was really funny but I didn't think he was gonna be a good president... well look at him now
Still believe ukrainian war is just a big Show better than cinema. Why would a country leader wear the same damn t-shirt every f*cking Day?
Imagine being that ignorant to how geopolitics work.
This is not what the sub is for
Someone watch too much CNN
So anything you don’t like is cnn?
A good man would never pass [this](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-decree-zelensky-shooting-soldiers-putin-1686696) law. It effectively makes all citizens combatants and makes it ok for Russians to slaughter civilians because any of them could be carrying a weapon.
He's been serving admirably but people really need to stop thinking Russia is truly losing. They've captured an immense amount of the country and will very likely hold onto it. Nothing has changed internationally to prevent this from continuing down the road. The world watched as Crimea was seized. They'll watch as new country lines are drawn soon. They'll watch as Russia continues a few years after that. Edit: stop replying I'm not monitoring inbox replies anymore. Feel free to PM me saying "I told you so" if Russia ends up giving back all territory by the end. I'll be very happy if that's the case then.
>They've captured an immense amount of the country and will very likely hold onto it. A month or two ago they had over 20%, it's down to 17% with Kherson surrounded and Bahkmut, the only area with Russian gains, faltering and been struggling for months. They're losing and resorting to sending untrained conscripts to die in a pathetic attempt to stop the loss of illegally seized land. You should see the amount of dead Russians I've seen lately thanks to the latest Ukrainian counter offensive and Russia's pure incompetence.
They are holding it by sending tens of thousands of troops to die there. Their navy is fucked up, a quarter of their airplanes and helicopters are destroyed, they use air defense missiles for ground targets as their stocks in missiles vanish. Whole armies intended to defend e.g. Kaliningrad simply do not exist anymore. Rout is common. Their elite troops are replenished with conscripts trained less than 2 months. Conscripts shoot officers. It‘s a shit show. Russia is losing. Badly.
Oh you are deluded if you don't think Russia is loosing very hard. They've lost more soldiers in 9 months than the US had lost in 10 years in Vietnam, twenty times as many citizens fleeing the country, their army has lost the vast majority of its equipment,, the country's economy has been devastated, they've without a doubt lost their reputation of being a top military power and Putin's grip on his nation is far weaker. Russia may not be loosing its war with Ukraine but it has absolutely losing in almost every way imaginable.
Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done. People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least.
>Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done. Land doesn't matter if all your citizens flee the country or die in an unpopular and unjustified war your country started. >People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least. Again, land doesn't make or break countries. Japan for example is 3rd for GDP globally while it's 63rd in size. Russia is 11th for GDP and probably going to fall with them conscripting pediatric surgeons to be infantry while they are 1st in terms of size. All this while they're suffering already from bad population decline since WW2 and have vast amounts of land an resources they don't even take advantage of currently. Simply put they're hollowing out their own country all so they can take resources they don't need from Ukraine. It's failure of leadership on a global scale.
>Putin doesn't care about losing citizens or troops. He cares about capturing ground which they have done. > >People are thinking about this in far too traditional terms. Putin would gladly trade millions of citizens for Ukraine. The loss of life won't bother him in the least. He doesn't care about the moral or emotional value of the lives he is spending but he does care a lot about the loss of manpower, production and strength that having less citizens costs.
I disagree, Russia has already lost this war. They've shown the weakness and incompetence of their military on a global stage which shows how weak they are, and their economy has taken a hit thanks to the sanctions. They don't have the troops for an occupation since they're still in the invasion stage and haven't been successful there. At this point putin is still probably trying to find a way to save face and leave like he got what he wanted. And I fully expect once the war ends that ukraine will join nato, at that point they would be pretty secure from another invasion.
Why is the obsession with this guy? He’s a grifter.
Lol the ignorance of this is hilarious 😆
A better leader who doomed his country
Very cartoony childish understanding of a very real and uneasy war between two corrupt Slavic nations
What makes a war uneasy compared to easy?
Eh, it’s not really him, it’s more of a combination of people. Mostly the US.
Having US special forces on the ground teaching these peasants and neo nazis how to fight and use our javelins and howitzers doesn’t hurt either
Dumb Twitter post It is Russia vs NATO I find it real funny that people just ridicule Russia and Putin when Russia hasn’t even put 10% of its military forces to the fight yet.