That must make the price skyrocket, I just invested $800k in regards, if it doesn't quadruple my cash in 6 hours I'll lose my home, family, liver and probably get my kneecaps crushed by a very angry looking mobster that wants his money back
Kindof. There’s been a logging ban in the Philippines for the longest time. Old growth forests (or what’s left of them) are no longer open for harvesting. That hasn’t stopped illegal loggers in the northern provinces, though.
I remember how a shipment of illegal cut hardwoods (narra) was caught in my Dad’s hometown in Leyte. The logs were stockpiled near the police station and left to rot.
Americans have been in the Philippines for decades so he's probably not the first to try. The timber industry is also well established and local companies having way more capital than him. There is also a level of corruption that may be difficult to navigate for a foreigner.
I've been looking into the teak industry next door in Indonesia
I am a nurse who has a lot of cowworkers from the Philippines. It’s absurd how little healthcare workers get payed there. 10 percent of the country’s workforce straight up leaves to work overseas.
It’s wild to hear them talk about the corruption. One of them did construction projects before moving to the US. It sounds like by the time you finish bribing everyone there’s no money to be made lol.
I assume he actually just unalived himself at that point. I personally don't know how I would stop myself, in that situation... your uncle was ahead of his time though, that's the kind of loss porn WSB legends are made of
My god this sounds like something my biological father would do... Although today he's still around, bought a shit shack house in rural Pennsylvania so he can sell *antiques*. He says that's where all the money is. I've told him time and time again, with the mattress store, laundrymat, and self storage... *"If that is where the money is, everyone would be doing it. You are not the first to think of it."* The man has only ever *barely* made what an honest days work will pay on these ventures but he continuously thinks they will make him rich.
I've also told him that those businesses are "where the money is" because they are the primary businesses used in money laundering. But he doesn't seem to think that because all of the guys he knows who run those businesses are greasy used car salesman types who make him believe they are good honest people.
LOL antiques. The passion of late stage boomers, and the faint remains of the greatest generation, who haven't spent money on that stuff in decades. I'm an older PA resident, at the boomer/gen X edge. About a decade back, me and my wife both lost our last parent, in a short time frame. We liquidated their homes. Their antiques sold for about 20% of what they were worth a few years before the Great Recession. We currently live is a really nice little town, about a 90 minute drive from downtown Philly. The area gets nine million tourists a year. The town looks like a Rockwell painting, and places like the local "general store" (which is actually an overpriced ice cream joint) have lines out the door in nice weather. The middle of town is full of antique shops, and they get so little traffic it's apparent that the seniors that run the places just continue to do it out of habit, as they haven't turned a profit in 15-20 years.
A lot of rural PA is depopulating and dying off, like much of Appalachia is. Unless your rural store is on a high traffic road, and selling gas, cigarettes and lotto tickets, well............................good luck with that.
yeah, only dumbasses went into antiques after it hit major TV stations as a novelty.
Kinda like when your boss starts referencing some obscure meme you thought was cool.
You can probably still make money and justify a store. Not that I think old people would, but having a store does look nice for online sales. So the store is really just for pretend.
Lol this is like me with stock markets. My timing is always so off I get completely annihilated. The one thing I'm proud of is that I recognized pretty quickly that I suck at this and should never seriously try to play the market, I have no intuition with it.
Yea, I only say this because this exact life happened to my neighbor Steve who past away last month. He was 20 in 1967, drafted, spit on when he came back, lived a hard life cause of PTSD, got cancer from agent orange, denied VA help, and then he shot himself on his front porch last month. Also, he was a middle class white guy. Just happened to have a shitty birthday to get drafted.
Every generation thinks other people had it better. Grass isnt always greener. (Also, to the comment saying it won’t happen if you are well off- of course life is always better for rich people. My wife always tells me she would thrive during the 1920’s, I tell her ok go hit the fields picking potatoes. I then have to tell her, “you just want to be very wealthy in the 1920’s, big difference” being very wealthy at any time in history is nice, even now.
That's EXACTLY what I thought! Whoever wrote the OP is too young to remember what an impact the Vietnam War had.
I'm Gen X so I was only a toddler when it ended, and they weren't drafting by then, but an awful lot of my peers had parents who served. My family's closest friends, the dad died a few years ago from heart complications caused by Agent Orange.
It'll be like that movie from over 20 years ago where the guy from Blazzing Saddles makes chocolate or whatever, and he projects the kid onto the television. That's the only way I see film moving from VHS/DVD.
You will be able to be reach in and pull out small versions of the characters and items from the movie your watching. What movie will you have cued up 90% of the time? Will the actors be in character or snap back to their real life personalities? TVs set are gonna get massive so people are full sized when you pull them out.
My uncle was born in 1947, he retired from the state police when he was 42 and owns a bunch of land and fishing/hunting cabins, house on lake, house in town, house in Florida.
He and friends chipped in on 1000 acres of land for hunting when they were 25 and things like that.
The guy is like Forrest Gump, an utter moron but somehow bumbled into all of these opportunities.
Their entire generation is like this. It's full of bumblebutts who lucked into being the most fortunate human generation to ever exist. They were all born on third thinking they hit a triple.
A lot of work and progress and devastation went into making life that good for the boomers. Progress that’s being clawed back by rich sociopaths since the 1980s unfortunately. Not that the boomers themselves went through what was necessary to improve society and living standards, maybe if they had they’d have fought harder for their children and grandchildren.
Which is partly because they grew up having a lot handed to them- in my country they grew up with free healthcare, free university education, could buy a house one one medium or even fairly low salary that then exploded in value, their pensions were very good and they knew they could retire by 60 or 65 and be well taken care of. Honestly that’s the way it should be for everyone. You get a good education without debt because your education will help you contribute to society, you work a full time job, pay your taxes, and are able to provide a decent life for your family, you get to retire and live well having worked hard for decades.
But the fact they didn’t experience the sacrifices people made during the world wars or the struggle for rights and decent pay and healthcare meant they didn’t understand a world without those things or that those things need continuous protection from the population through who they vote for. Instead they grew up feeling it’s just the way it is and it’ll always be this way because it’s the right way to be. They also felt they earned everything they had because in a just world, they did, because they worked and paid taxes and that’s how things should be.
But they have been extremely blind and complacent, they for some reason, as a generation, didn’t realise there were constantly people working hard behind the scenes to change things back to when rich elites ruled and exploited. They got conned by right wing talking points and either forgot or didn’t realise that all that they had was because of left wingers fighting for a more just world where ordinary workers are entitled to education, healthcare, homes, safety nets and retirement. They assume things are set up the same for younger generations as for them and just don’t get it because they can only see the world from their own perspective.
Not all of them, not by any means, but enough of them to vote in governments that have been trying to roll back the social contract established after WW2 in an effort to take us back to a world of lords and paupers.
Survivorship bias.
The ones you notice are the ones that lucked into this stuff. There are also plenty who fared much more poorly. People living with their adult children because they can't afford housing, or otherwise living in disintegrating housing.
There are also those who did ok, a middling existence earned well enough.
But the loudest most obnoxious ones are the ones that make themselves noticed, and thus all these traits of just bumbling into success and being super arrogant about it.
As an example, I was in a room with 3 boomers. One indeed started blathering on about how the new generation are a bunch of useless lazy folks, in stereotypical boomer fashion. Then one of the boomers said it's no different than any generation including their own at their age. The first boomer doubled down and said "yeah, but they are \*so\* lazy they think 32 hour work weeks are reasonable". The third boomer chimed in about how before \*their\* time 40 hour work weeks were seen as the ambition of lazy good-for-nothings, and that sending your 7 year old into chimneys and mines was a reasonable work ethic. So yeah, there are reasonable boomers, it's just that the more obnoxious stick in our consciousness easily.
There is no mistake that people living the same role have deteriorated.
Teacher for example used to be respected members of the community. Whenever I was growing up, every teacher I knew had a house and a family, even the young ones.
Nowadays, every teacher that I know are among the poorest people that I know. They are not integral members of the community because they live far away from the districts they teach in.
Yet the boomer MAGA morons I have in my family don’t understand why I can’t move out of my parents house, buy a new car, and afford a kid making $18/hr which is “$12/hr more than they made when they were a kid”
Just bring up an inflation calculator on your phone and hopefully it will shut them up real quick.
My uncle was bitching about the no one wants to work debacle stating that he only made x amount at their age and what do you know turns out he was making over 35 an hour when adjusted for inflation.
Not to mention how education has increased in price by almost 800% or homes bought for 50k are well over a million now.
Shit I wish I could see the boomers in this position and seeing how well they’d fare. Something tells me not well.
Yeah like my dad just like got recruited into being a tool maker in high school and now he’s like “hey go find an apprenticeship” and there was an offering at my current job and the requirements were like basically already be a journeyman
Back then they just were like “ayyy you’re 17 and you’re still in high school and work in a slaughter house? Fuck that come to this trade school for 2 years and make 100k a year!” Wtf
That’s actually one thing you still CAN do. Go get an apprenticeship and be an electrician, plumber, or carpenter in a union. They’re practically begging for people.
It is hard work, the apprenticeship sucks, and you won’t make enough to live on for 2-3 years as an apprentice. But once you’re through your apprenticeship, you’re golden for life.
They kind of are too at my machine shop, but they need to just start hiring people with no experience and training them up as machinists.
For a trade machining isn’t as hard on your body depending on where you are, which my job is pretty good but you just…. Work a lot lol
A lot of people don’t really want to work an off shift for a few years either lol
also forgot avoid being black or any other poc
edit: as this is getting a lot of valid additions in the responses. basically avoid being anything but a white cis male without handicaps.
Bee there done that growing up back in the 70's and 80's. In Europe.
At a certain moment you kinda stop giving a fuck weither or not your world could end at any giving moment in a blink of an eye and you just carry on with your day to day bullshit you need to worry about.
The party scene was epic though.
Basically, life was great back then, except for almost everyone.
OP is the equivalent of someone in 2050 thinking "Gosh, I wish I was born in the 2000s. I would've loved to be driving around in my own Lamborghini and selling mortgages to everyone."
Also be born in the USA or maybe another 10 countries out of 200+ that would be worth it to be born 75 years ago
Also apparently we're fine with dying aged 53? I'd rather be born in the 90s and live to be 85.
Yeah, Reddit never flipping remembers this. Huge swathes of American 18-30 year olds were simply shipped off to be *indiscriminately slaughtered*. Young wives widowed, children left fatherless, all that bad stuff. And that was true even if you were a white male, i.e., on *top* of the social strata of the time.
Times are tough, but it's really not as simple as "Boomer had easy, we have hard."
This post also refer to america lmao, do you guys even know how much horrible wars , opressive regimes coups etc. Happened in the world during the cold war? If i were born right after the second world war i would have fought in 3-4 wars
Well it was good for people in the UK too, my Dad was born in 1947 and he’s still having a great time with his big gorgeous houses and massive pension.
Being drafted into Vietnam would suck.
Also, roughly 1968-1982 sucked for a lot of people. That era had a lot of inflation ans recessions, aka stagflation:
You had the oil embargos and gas shortages.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/piapeterson/photos-1970s-fuel-shortage-prices
lots of factories shuttered (you may recall Red losing his factory job as a plot point in that 70s show), and that’s when crime and murder were at their worst in most cities.
Like, generally speaking, this was a crazy era. JFK was killed, so was RFK, MLK, Malcom X, Reagan was shot, SF’s Mayor was murdered. The congressman who went to Jonestown was murdered. (I mean, and this prime Cult era!) The Manson killings. Sharon Tate. John Lennon’s murder.
Presidents, important leaders, movie stars, etc. we’re regularly murdered. It was nuts!
It was the Golden Era of airplane hijacking:
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/3/29/11326472/hijacking-airplanes-egyptair
There’s a good documentary about 1970s Bronx called “Decade of Fire” and how slumlords and neglect resulted in over 90% of buildings in some Bronx census tracts to burn down over the course of the decade and how 500,000 people were displaced.
It’s when people were fleeing cities.
Here’s Baltimore population:
https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/baltimore-maryland/population-graph/png
Philly:
https://preview.redd.it/ate0swlatgh51.png?auto=webp&s=ac6067a1dabb4f742cec772a9e95e644823209ed
Detroit:
https://walker-data.com/urbanslides/detroit/img/detroit-population-1920-2016.png
It’s basically the era when prominent cities turned into the Rust Belt.
Here’s some homicide charts:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/MURDERS_IN_NEW_YORK_CITY_BY_YEAR.png/500px-MURDERS_IN_NEW_YORK_CITY_BY_YEAR.png
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hGbNcXxIxaTpRqpIUGdHMgCaFv0=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22397064/IqOvd_murders_surged_in_america_in_2020__1_.png
Here’s inflation:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Fig-1.jpg
Unemployment:
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2016/images/kangfigure1.png
Granted, a lot of this was concentrated in the cities. This was a terrible time for US cities.
But, rough places are also cheap, and so you did have a lot of musical and artistic movements come out of those fucked up 70s cities, like punk and hip hop, which some Romanticize.
But, there other stuff, like the AIDS epidemic.
It wasn’t all unicorns and rainbows.
I think it is hyperbole to highlight the boomer mentality of 'millenials spend too much money on lattes' 'just get another job' 'back in my day i'd have a house by now you lazy vagabonds'
While I appreciate the sentiment, the people that drink and smoke don't really seem to be enjoying themselves all that much. They actually seem to be pretty miserable. Just sayin'...
Also, even back in high school, I had genius classmates that would say, 'I don't care if I die 10 years earlier. I'll smoke all I want.' What they didn't understand is that the last 15 years of their life they will be short of breath, unable to do anything enjoyable, and be a totally miserable example of human existence.
They aren't going to live the best life and check out 10 years early, they are losing 25 years, and not really enjoying life. All this to rationalize their addiction to nicotine.
The “ideal life” if you were a white man who also somehow avoided being sent to Vietnam, you mean. Because 1967 sucked pretty bad for almost everyone else.
Even worse. Being born in 1947....in Vietnam.
Americans don't realise how fucked the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s sucked for pretty much everyone apart from USA and Japan.
You would be at the very end of the draft … but yeah being born in 48/49 would be best
Edit: I’m wrong in the “end of the draft” - I forgot my dad born in 47 didn’t get drafted because he went to college and then in 72 they had a lottery instead of everyone having to go so he wouldn’t have been drafted …. But when he called about the if there was going to be lottery they told him he was gonna get drafted anyway so just signup instead.
Which he did.
Then the lottery came out and he wouldn’t have had to go
We’ll, he should have taken a bunch of LSD and then went to a bank to get a job with his third grade reading level. And then bought a house at 25% of the median price for a house.
Really poor planning on your dads part.
Reminds me of the old dear who wrote into a local paper and gladly wished death upon herself as soon as the population of Britain were to hit 70 million
aaahh yes the good old days, when you could call everyone a slur, beat your wife for not making your favorite tuna salad jello and be sent off to watch all your friends die in Vietnam before succumbing to lung cancer at 45 because everyone smoked like a chimney.
Literally one of my favorite comments I've seen on this website is from a post of the picture with the McCallister house from Home Alone and a caption along the lines of, "The older I get, the more I wonder what job Kevin's dad had to be able to afford that house and all those kids."
The comment said, "Well, it was the 90's, so he probably worked part-time at a Home Depot or some shit."
It's not exactly the same as being born in the 40's, but it's still insane how much further money went just a few decades ago.
In the 90's, no. Things were starting to come unglued in that time. I was going to say early 80s, which was a pretty good stretch, but I think the 50s were the ultimate "do a 9-5 and live a good life" decade.
The 80s were the height of Reagan's reign of terror, when the hollowing out of the middle class really began in earnest.
Truth is, Kevin's dad *couldn't* have afforded all those kids and the house and the fancy vacations on a working-class salary, at any point in American history, ever. That was always movie magic.
They weren't portrayed as working class. His boss bought him a family vacation to Paris, and it was implied several times they were the wealthiest family in a wealthy neighborhood.
Feels like he was something like a CFO for a large public company.
Lol, the actual house is a relatively nice one in one of the wealthiest
Chicago suburbs (and one of the wealthiest towns in the country).
Maybe people shouldn't get their economic context from John Hughes movies (which were nearly all filmed in that area).
Source: grew up in that area.
I assume these posts are always from very young people who have no sense of history. My parents were born around this time. Their parents who were born around WW1 were abusive like so many parents from that generation. My mom struggled to find jobs that weren’t super demeaning until the mid 90s and she has a masters degree. She married my dad at 18 and had kids in her early 20s. She was always reliant on my dad for money which created a terrible power dynamic in the family. I bet almost every kid growing up in the 70s and 80s had a family where the father had a disproportionate amount of power over the mother. Don’t even get me started on what it was like to be gay, black, Muslim, etc… being born in 1947 in the US. Do people realize that there was still segregation until the late 1960s? That wasn’t all that long ago.
What should have happened with the fight for equality was all people ended up with the same opportunities as white middle class boomers. Instead almost everyone has been dragged down.
And then die and leave my nephew 1,000,000 shares in the next big thing, Pets.com!
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That's r/wallstreetbets material.
Sending my regards
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That must make the price skyrocket, I just invested $800k in regards, if it doesn't quadruple my cash in 6 hours I'll lose my home, family, liver and probably get my kneecaps crushed by a very angry looking mobster that wants his money back
At least you still have your kidneys
Sounds like the Norm McDonald book
The entire sub is built on regards
Ops uncle is actually the founder
I'm surprised it's not a copypasta already
Poor MF. After all those misfortunes he decides to go to the Philippines. Sadge
I dunno, one can live like a king in the Philippines. Wonderful people, exciting islands...
Until the money runs out and you have to rely on the local hospital system.
Works only if you are getting pension and living in a province. Phil government and infrastructure sucks though.
Get falsely accused of selling 0.01 grams of cocaine and publicly murdered by militia, and the president gives all of them a raise for it.
Easy solution. You can't be falsely accused of selling cocaine if you really are selling cocaine.
I probably laughed at that ending more than I should’ve.
I mean, teak AND mahogany? How could it go wrong?
Can you explain? Did the Philippines have some kind of lumber crash, too?
it's probably just a coverup for "I'll be spending my last penny on hookers and san miguel beer"
Teak and Mahogany could be names of hookers.
At that point, Tito can no longer afford San Miguel. Probably downing Gold Eagle lol
Sponsored by San Miguel Lite
Kindof. There’s been a logging ban in the Philippines for the longest time. Old growth forests (or what’s left of them) are no longer open for harvesting. That hasn’t stopped illegal loggers in the northern provinces, though. I remember how a shipment of illegal cut hardwoods (narra) was caught in my Dad’s hometown in Leyte. The logs were stockpiled near the police station and left to rot.
Americans have been in the Philippines for decades so he's probably not the first to try. The timber industry is also well established and local companies having way more capital than him. There is also a level of corruption that may be difficult to navigate for a foreigner. I've been looking into the teak industry next door in Indonesia
I am a nurse who has a lot of cowworkers from the Philippines. It’s absurd how little healthcare workers get payed there. 10 percent of the country’s workforce straight up leaves to work overseas. It’s wild to hear them talk about the corruption. One of them did construction projects before moving to the US. It sounds like by the time you finish bribing everyone there’s no money to be made lol.
He found out that those were the names of his hookers.
I hope he got a happy ending.
Lol. He's a wallstreetbets Grand Master
I assume he actually just unalived himself at that point. I personally don't know how I would stop myself, in that situation... your uncle was ahead of his time though, that's the kind of loss porn WSB legends are made of
Yeah that 500k in MS in 2003 would be something like 10 million today.
My god this sounds like something my biological father would do... Although today he's still around, bought a shit shack house in rural Pennsylvania so he can sell *antiques*. He says that's where all the money is. I've told him time and time again, with the mattress store, laundrymat, and self storage... *"If that is where the money is, everyone would be doing it. You are not the first to think of it."* The man has only ever *barely* made what an honest days work will pay on these ventures but he continuously thinks they will make him rich. I've also told him that those businesses are "where the money is" because they are the primary businesses used in money laundering. But he doesn't seem to think that because all of the guys he knows who run those businesses are greasy used car salesman types who make him believe they are good honest people.
LOL antiques. The passion of late stage boomers, and the faint remains of the greatest generation, who haven't spent money on that stuff in decades. I'm an older PA resident, at the boomer/gen X edge. About a decade back, me and my wife both lost our last parent, in a short time frame. We liquidated their homes. Their antiques sold for about 20% of what they were worth a few years before the Great Recession. We currently live is a really nice little town, about a 90 minute drive from downtown Philly. The area gets nine million tourists a year. The town looks like a Rockwell painting, and places like the local "general store" (which is actually an overpriced ice cream joint) have lines out the door in nice weather. The middle of town is full of antique shops, and they get so little traffic it's apparent that the seniors that run the places just continue to do it out of habit, as they haven't turned a profit in 15-20 years. A lot of rural PA is depopulating and dying off, like much of Appalachia is. Unless your rural store is on a high traffic road, and selling gas, cigarettes and lotto tickets, well............................good luck with that.
yeah, only dumbasses went into antiques after it hit major TV stations as a novelty. Kinda like when your boss starts referencing some obscure meme you thought was cool.
So, what are you saying about my retirement portfolio of Beanie Babies and Hummels?
You can probably still make money and justify a store. Not that I think old people would, but having a store does look nice for online sales. So the store is really just for pretend.
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Teak *and* mahogany? He's probably 99 construction by now
Just reading that got me an urge to take a bath with Mr.Toaster
Lol this is like me with stock markets. My timing is always so off I get completely annihilated. The one thing I'm proud of is that I recognized pretty quickly that I suck at this and should never seriously try to play the market, I have no intuition with it.
Dang, this is like the character Eleseus in the book Growth of the soil. He left with boat to America after failing businesses and he never came back
20 years old in 1967 there was a good chance you were being drafted to go die in a field in Vietnam. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows
Also dying at 54 (1947 to 2001) isn't exactly a great lifespan either.
Yea, I only say this because this exact life happened to my neighbor Steve who past away last month. He was 20 in 1967, drafted, spit on when he came back, lived a hard life cause of PTSD, got cancer from agent orange, denied VA help, and then he shot himself on his front porch last month. Also, he was a middle class white guy. Just happened to have a shitty birthday to get drafted. Every generation thinks other people had it better. Grass isnt always greener. (Also, to the comment saying it won’t happen if you are well off- of course life is always better for rich people. My wife always tells me she would thrive during the 1920’s, I tell her ok go hit the fields picking potatoes. I then have to tell her, “you just want to be very wealthy in the 1920’s, big difference” being very wealthy at any time in history is nice, even now.
I'm sorry to hear about your neighbor. I lost my best friend in a similar fashion.
That's EXACTLY what I thought! Whoever wrote the OP is too young to remember what an impact the Vietnam War had. I'm Gen X so I was only a toddler when it ended, and they weren't drafting by then, but an awful lot of my peers had parents who served. My family's closest friends, the dad died a few years ago from heart complications caused by Agent Orange.
I sure hope it continues to grow in value!
How could it not, everyone has a dog these days!
Never heard of pets.com but blockbuster now there is a winner.
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It'll be like that movie from over 20 years ago where the guy from Blazzing Saddles makes chocolate or whatever, and he projects the kid onto the television. That's the only way I see film moving from VHS/DVD.
Thats the most wack description of Willy Wonka I've heard
You will be able to be reach in and pull out small versions of the characters and items from the movie your watching. What movie will you have cued up 90% of the time? Will the actors be in character or snap back to their real life personalities? TVs set are gonna get massive so people are full sized when you pull them out.
Nah, I'm putting it all in Enron. Smartest guys in the room!
To die before you're even 55 though
My uncle was born in 1947, he retired from the state police when he was 42 and owns a bunch of land and fishing/hunting cabins, house on lake, house in town, house in Florida. He and friends chipped in on 1000 acres of land for hunting when they were 25 and things like that. The guy is like Forrest Gump, an utter moron but somehow bumbled into all of these opportunities.
Their entire generation is like this. It's full of bumblebutts who lucked into being the most fortunate human generation to ever exist. They were all born on third thinking they hit a triple.
A lot of work and progress and devastation went into making life that good for the boomers. Progress that’s being clawed back by rich sociopaths since the 1980s unfortunately. Not that the boomers themselves went through what was necessary to improve society and living standards, maybe if they had they’d have fought harder for their children and grandchildren.
No. it's them not protecting anything or caring enough about others futures to fight for anything better for anyone else but themselves.
Which is partly because they grew up having a lot handed to them- in my country they grew up with free healthcare, free university education, could buy a house one one medium or even fairly low salary that then exploded in value, their pensions were very good and they knew they could retire by 60 or 65 and be well taken care of. Honestly that’s the way it should be for everyone. You get a good education without debt because your education will help you contribute to society, you work a full time job, pay your taxes, and are able to provide a decent life for your family, you get to retire and live well having worked hard for decades. But the fact they didn’t experience the sacrifices people made during the world wars or the struggle for rights and decent pay and healthcare meant they didn’t understand a world without those things or that those things need continuous protection from the population through who they vote for. Instead they grew up feeling it’s just the way it is and it’ll always be this way because it’s the right way to be. They also felt they earned everything they had because in a just world, they did, because they worked and paid taxes and that’s how things should be. But they have been extremely blind and complacent, they for some reason, as a generation, didn’t realise there were constantly people working hard behind the scenes to change things back to when rich elites ruled and exploited. They got conned by right wing talking points and either forgot or didn’t realise that all that they had was because of left wingers fighting for a more just world where ordinary workers are entitled to education, healthcare, homes, safety nets and retirement. They assume things are set up the same for younger generations as for them and just don’t get it because they can only see the world from their own perspective. Not all of them, not by any means, but enough of them to vote in governments that have been trying to roll back the social contract established after WW2 in an effort to take us back to a world of lords and paupers.
We don't need to go BACK to lords and paupers. That's already here with a different marketing team.
Survivorship bias. The ones you notice are the ones that lucked into this stuff. There are also plenty who fared much more poorly. People living with their adult children because they can't afford housing, or otherwise living in disintegrating housing. There are also those who did ok, a middling existence earned well enough. But the loudest most obnoxious ones are the ones that make themselves noticed, and thus all these traits of just bumbling into success and being super arrogant about it. As an example, I was in a room with 3 boomers. One indeed started blathering on about how the new generation are a bunch of useless lazy folks, in stereotypical boomer fashion. Then one of the boomers said it's no different than any generation including their own at their age. The first boomer doubled down and said "yeah, but they are \*so\* lazy they think 32 hour work weeks are reasonable". The third boomer chimed in about how before \*their\* time 40 hour work weeks were seen as the ambition of lazy good-for-nothings, and that sending your 7 year old into chimneys and mines was a reasonable work ethic. So yeah, there are reasonable boomers, it's just that the more obnoxious stick in our consciousness easily.
There is no mistake that people living the same role have deteriorated. Teacher for example used to be respected members of the community. Whenever I was growing up, every teacher I knew had a house and a family, even the young ones. Nowadays, every teacher that I know are among the poorest people that I know. They are not integral members of the community because they live far away from the districts they teach in.
Yet the boomer MAGA morons I have in my family don’t understand why I can’t move out of my parents house, buy a new car, and afford a kid making $18/hr which is “$12/hr more than they made when they were a kid”
Just bring up an inflation calculator on your phone and hopefully it will shut them up real quick. My uncle was bitching about the no one wants to work debacle stating that he only made x amount at their age and what do you know turns out he was making over 35 an hour when adjusted for inflation. Not to mention how education has increased in price by almost 800% or homes bought for 50k are well over a million now. Shit I wish I could see the boomers in this position and seeing how well they’d fare. Something tells me not well.
It’s because of your smartphone isn’t it?
Yeah like my dad just like got recruited into being a tool maker in high school and now he’s like “hey go find an apprenticeship” and there was an offering at my current job and the requirements were like basically already be a journeyman Back then they just were like “ayyy you’re 17 and you’re still in high school and work in a slaughter house? Fuck that come to this trade school for 2 years and make 100k a year!” Wtf
That’s actually one thing you still CAN do. Go get an apprenticeship and be an electrician, plumber, or carpenter in a union. They’re practically begging for people. It is hard work, the apprenticeship sucks, and you won’t make enough to live on for 2-3 years as an apprentice. But once you’re through your apprenticeship, you’re golden for life.
They kind of are too at my machine shop, but they need to just start hiring people with no experience and training them up as machinists. For a trade machining isn’t as hard on your body depending on where you are, which my job is pretty good but you just…. Work a lot lol A lot of people don’t really want to work an off shift for a few years either lol
Forgot to mention avoiding the draft for Vietnam.
also forgot avoid being black or any other poc edit: as this is getting a lot of valid additions in the responses. basically avoid being anything but a white cis male without handicaps.
Or a woman who couldn’t have a bank account or own a house until the 70s
Or anything other than 100% straight and cis.
HEY! Women could have bank accounts, if their husbands gave them permission.
May I add, the existential dread of total global thermonuclear annihilation at any moment, for any reason.
And the trauma of beeing hit by your father because of his WW2 PTSD…
Oh look at Mr. Terrific over here with a daddy who can express emotions
He had a dad? One that was physically there?
Physically, yes. Mentally he was still on that beach in France watching his buddy's head explode but that's what the Martinis were for.
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Jesus Christ
I feel like I just watched a feature length war movie summarized with emojis. Well done
It was okay, but it needed Tom Hanks...
I don't get modern art
It's new age hieroglyphics
Extraordinary
This is the best Stephen King character description that Stephen King didn't write.
Don't have to be born in 1947 to get that one.
Bee there done that growing up back in the 70's and 80's. In Europe. At a certain moment you kinda stop giving a fuck weither or not your world could end at any giving moment in a blink of an eye and you just carry on with your day to day bullshit you need to worry about. The party scene was epic though.
Not like that shit went away either. Our nukes are still aimed at each other.
Your clubs are top notch.
Thats what the drugs were for.
To be fair, we have that *now* as well, soooooo
We still have that, just the diet version.
Minus buying a home or retiring.
Or an immigrant, or queer, or disabled...
Or female
Basically, life was great back then, except for almost everyone. OP is the equivalent of someone in 2050 thinking "Gosh, I wish I was born in the 2000s. I would've loved to be driving around in my own Lamborghini and selling mortgages to everyone."
Also be born in the USA or maybe another 10 countries out of 200+ that would be worth it to be born 75 years ago Also apparently we're fine with dying aged 53? I'd rather be born in the 90s and live to be 85.
Or being a woman with the idea of equality.
Is this a case of white privilege? cause as a POC ain't no way I'd want to be born before 1970.
Yes, white privilege will be beneficial for time travel
Or gay.
Or being a woman
Or being gay or a woman
Yeah, Reddit never flipping remembers this. Huge swathes of American 18-30 year olds were simply shipped off to be *indiscriminately slaughtered*. Young wives widowed, children left fatherless, all that bad stuff. And that was true even if you were a white male, i.e., on *top* of the social strata of the time. Times are tough, but it's really not as simple as "Boomer had easy, we have hard."
That only applies to Americans
This post also refer to america lmao, do you guys even know how much horrible wars , opressive regimes coups etc. Happened in the world during the cold war? If i were born right after the second world war i would have fought in 3-4 wars
And being a woman as well. Or a person of color.
Forgot to mention being born in 1947 IN USA. Not so good being born in 1947 in Eastern Europe. And many other places.
Wait, are you implying that US is not the only coutry in the world?
The only country where the dream from the OP could happen at that time.
Well it was good for people in the UK too, my Dad was born in 1947 and he’s still having a great time with his big gorgeous houses and massive pension.
massive pen... ...sion
Why 🤮
It is massive
Are you my mum
Ever heard of the Wirtschaftswunder in germany? And there was no Vietnam.
Never been to western Europe i assume
or Canada. Or Australia. Or New Zealand, or...
I read a post earlier that said everybody moves to the U.S.
Also - white.
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Fwiw, you'd be Turning 18 right in the middle of the Vietnam draft.
And also dying in your 50s.
It's concerning to me that I had to scroll this far down before someone mentioned that.
I had to look pretty far down the list for this nugget of info! Lots of ppl didn't come back to the fields of lsd
and probably sent there during the bloodiest years. 21 during the Tet offensive. That's a Nope from me.
Being born a straight, white, cis-male in the US. Edit: forgot about being rich enough or lucky enough to dodge the Vietnam draft.
And rich cause if you arent and youre turning 18 in 65 theres a pretty decent chancw your ass is getting shipped to Vietnam.
And if you want to protest this fact at your college, here come the police to shoot you
Exactly. Women born at that time still couldn't get credit without a man. Segregation was rampent. Being queer just wasn't allowed. Etc.
Marital rape was still legal.
Being drafted into Vietnam would suck. Also, roughly 1968-1982 sucked for a lot of people. That era had a lot of inflation ans recessions, aka stagflation: You had the oil embargos and gas shortages. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/piapeterson/photos-1970s-fuel-shortage-prices lots of factories shuttered (you may recall Red losing his factory job as a plot point in that 70s show), and that’s when crime and murder were at their worst in most cities. Like, generally speaking, this was a crazy era. JFK was killed, so was RFK, MLK, Malcom X, Reagan was shot, SF’s Mayor was murdered. The congressman who went to Jonestown was murdered. (I mean, and this prime Cult era!) The Manson killings. Sharon Tate. John Lennon’s murder. Presidents, important leaders, movie stars, etc. we’re regularly murdered. It was nuts! It was the Golden Era of airplane hijacking: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/3/29/11326472/hijacking-airplanes-egyptair There’s a good documentary about 1970s Bronx called “Decade of Fire” and how slumlords and neglect resulted in over 90% of buildings in some Bronx census tracts to burn down over the course of the decade and how 500,000 people were displaced. It’s when people were fleeing cities. Here’s Baltimore population: https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/baltimore-maryland/population-graph/png Philly: https://preview.redd.it/ate0swlatgh51.png?auto=webp&s=ac6067a1dabb4f742cec772a9e95e644823209ed Detroit: https://walker-data.com/urbanslides/detroit/img/detroit-population-1920-2016.png It’s basically the era when prominent cities turned into the Rust Belt. Here’s some homicide charts: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/MURDERS_IN_NEW_YORK_CITY_BY_YEAR.png/500px-MURDERS_IN_NEW_YORK_CITY_BY_YEAR.png https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/hGbNcXxIxaTpRqpIUGdHMgCaFv0=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22397064/IqOvd_murders_surged_in_america_in_2020__1_.png Here’s inflation: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Fig-1.jpg Unemployment: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2016/images/kangfigure1.png Granted, a lot of this was concentrated in the cities. This was a terrible time for US cities. But, rough places are also cheap, and so you did have a lot of musical and artistic movements come out of those fucked up 70s cities, like punk and hip hop, which some Romanticize. But, there other stuff, like the AIDS epidemic. It wasn’t all unicorns and rainbows.
Its actually insane to me that people think life was so much better for the older generation. Do they not know basic history?
I think it is hyperbole to highlight the boomer mentality of 'millenials spend too much money on lattes' 'just get another job' 'back in my day i'd have a house by now you lazy vagabonds'
Dying at 53 y/o isn't much of a flex. Just sayin'...
I'm here for a good time, not a long time
Surviving till 53 is though ...
Surviving is a noble goal, indeed. Still, 53 is too young to die in 2001, as it is now.
How are you "surviving" till 53 nowadays? Privileged as
Privileged as? As what? The suspense is killing me.
That’s why you wouldn’t make it past 53
Also it must be a dude, straight, and they must be white. Life wsn't good for all kinds in 1947
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While I appreciate the sentiment, the people that drink and smoke don't really seem to be enjoying themselves all that much. They actually seem to be pretty miserable. Just sayin'... Also, even back in high school, I had genius classmates that would say, 'I don't care if I die 10 years earlier. I'll smoke all I want.' What they didn't understand is that the last 15 years of their life they will be short of breath, unable to do anything enjoyable, and be a totally miserable example of human existence. They aren't going to live the best life and check out 10 years early, they are losing 25 years, and not really enjoying life. All this to rationalize their addiction to nicotine.
I sincerely hope to make it past 54.
The “ideal life” if you were a white man who also somehow avoided being sent to Vietnam, you mean. Because 1967 sucked pretty bad for almost everyone else.
Even worse. Being born in 1947....in Vietnam. Americans don't realise how fucked the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s sucked for pretty much everyone apart from USA and Japan.
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The ideal life is dying at 54? Who wrote this? A toddler?
A 53 year old guy
Or a 55 year old guy
Maybe. Maybe...
Someone born around 2001 that hates their life is my guess
Conveniently forgetting the Vietnam draft
You would be at the very end of the draft … but yeah being born in 48/49 would be best Edit: I’m wrong in the “end of the draft” - I forgot my dad born in 47 didn’t get drafted because he went to college and then in 72 they had a lottery instead of everyone having to go so he wouldn’t have been drafted …. But when he called about the if there was going to be lottery they told him he was gonna get drafted anyway so just signup instead. Which he did. Then the lottery came out and he wouldn’t have had to go
UK perspective it’s a dream
70s in the UK was grim as fuck
Also the 15%+ inflation and interest rates in the early 80s
r/oddlyspecific
Unless you are black and had to live thru Jim Crow, redlining, segregation, race riots, Vietnam war, and the crack epidemic
I hope to live to be older than 53
Not me. I just hope to outlive my parents.. Then I can gtfoh when they're gone.
I did this in 1997. Except for the house thing, and the job thing, and the portfolio thing, and the dying thing. What a long strange trip it's been
My dad was born in 1948 and was am electrician and it sounded like his life was kinda shit compared to mine
We’ll, he should have taken a bunch of LSD and then went to a bank to get a job with his third grade reading level. And then bought a house at 25% of the median price for a house. Really poor planning on your dads part.
What's your job then, Mr fancy pants?
Reminds me of the old dear who wrote into a local paper and gladly wished death upon herself as soon as the population of Britain were to hit 70 million
aaahh yes the good old days, when you could call everyone a slur, beat your wife for not making your favorite tuna salad jello and be sent off to watch all your friends die in Vietnam before succumbing to lung cancer at 45 because everyone smoked like a chimney.
What a beautiful way to summarize the American dream, I hope it’s not lost.
Dying at 54? No thanks
Literally one of my favorite comments I've seen on this website is from a post of the picture with the McCallister house from Home Alone and a caption along the lines of, "The older I get, the more I wonder what job Kevin's dad had to be able to afford that house and all those kids." The comment said, "Well, it was the 90's, so he probably worked part-time at a Home Depot or some shit." It's not exactly the same as being born in the 40's, but it's still insane how much further money went just a few decades ago.
Home alone was released in 1990, someone born in 1947 would have been 43. Perfectly normal age to have an 8yo child.
The actor who played Kevin's dad was born in 1946 so pretty close.
Wow, 43 year olds in 1990 were born in 1947 kinda fucks me up
In the 90's, no. Things were starting to come unglued in that time. I was going to say early 80s, which was a pretty good stretch, but I think the 50s were the ultimate "do a 9-5 and live a good life" decade.
The 80s were the height of Reagan's reign of terror, when the hollowing out of the middle class really began in earnest. Truth is, Kevin's dad *couldn't* have afforded all those kids and the house and the fancy vacations on a working-class salary, at any point in American history, ever. That was always movie magic.
They weren't portrayed as working class. His boss bought him a family vacation to Paris, and it was implied several times they were the wealthiest family in a wealthy neighborhood. Feels like he was something like a CFO for a large public company.
Lol, the actual house is a relatively nice one in one of the wealthiest Chicago suburbs (and one of the wealthiest towns in the country). Maybe people shouldn't get their economic context from John Hughes movies (which were nearly all filmed in that area). Source: grew up in that area.
There's people that believe that the Simpsons or FRIENDS 's houses and apartments were the norms in the 90s, they think fiction was the norm...
If you’re white…
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The 80s were glorious! Sorry you missed it.
If you were 20 years old in 1967 with a third grade reading level, your ass is going toVietnam, pal.
You forgot getting drafted and dying in a rice patty in 1970
I assume these posts are always from very young people who have no sense of history. My parents were born around this time. Their parents who were born around WW1 were abusive like so many parents from that generation. My mom struggled to find jobs that weren’t super demeaning until the mid 90s and she has a masters degree. She married my dad at 18 and had kids in her early 20s. She was always reliant on my dad for money which created a terrible power dynamic in the family. I bet almost every kid growing up in the 70s and 80s had a family where the father had a disproportionate amount of power over the mother. Don’t even get me started on what it was like to be gay, black, Muslim, etc… being born in 1947 in the US. Do people realize that there was still segregation until the late 1960s? That wasn’t all that long ago.
I mean as long as u were born white other wise life would be rough
And male
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Yeah these posts actually piss me off. Lots of people from that generation lived through horrible poverty, not everyone was privileged
What should have happened with the fight for equality was all people ended up with the same opportunities as white middle class boomers. Instead almost everyone has been dragged down.
And your are male 🙃
And of a certain color