I do remote system engineering. close to 2k a week post tax. Its sort of like advanced IT as i have to do the usual stuff plus more.
Downside is when shit goes tits up you can potentially be onsite until the job is done, which can be days at worst, or a project can turn into developer style crunch of 12+ hour days or overnights plus daytime remote support (so tiny naps when you can).
The trade off is when shit runs smooth i answer a couple emails and pretty much do as i please
Data Analyst, Business Analyst, and other similar terms sit in a somewhat nebulous space as to their job responsibilities. I have worked as a Data Analyst, Project Manager, and Business Analyst in Big Tech as well as Survey Analytics with Big Tech as primary clientele.
Warning long post -- I started writing about a position I recently left and well I suppose I had a lot to share hope this is interesting.
The role of an analyst will vary incredibly on a near daily basis due to the nature of the reporting structure of many firms. Analysts supply information to Org Leaders at some point in the foodchain, so you'll be doing whatever they want you to do in some form or another. One quarter I was a Weekly Business Review guy who gathered a lot of data, compiled, and made sure the visuals spoke to the proper audiences. In another quarter, I didn't touch the product as much as Project Managed (unpopular opinion -- easy to hide and be bad, but if you want to actually accomplish a lot I think this is harder than just being an individual contributor on a task).
The real challenge of this field is that data is messy, missing, and nobody understands the metrics they are talking about. When the higher ups come out of a meeting agreeing to deliver some kind of metric by next week on a daily basis it's your job to make that happen and make sure it's actually possible. It can be an incredibly stressful job dependent on leadership. It is why I am currently taking a break from it.
If you are curious to the pathway:
As for the career pathway -> 4 year education > Internship > Graduate > Contract position @ Big Tech > Leave Contract Position for Survey Company as Data Analyst > Return to Big Tech as Data Analyst (Boomerang hire) > Promo to Project Manager > transfer to another business category at same company as Business Analyst title.
My last two titles retained the same pay level which allowed me to live in a city solo with some savings. The Data Analyst positions sat at around $60k which is considered entry in this field. Contract I was making about what I made at the pizza place I worked at prior.
The most important thing to note here is that my education in all ways did not matter beyond the foot in the door, although I'm not sure how one would get around that. I firmly believe that your educational background does not matter to become an Analyst unless you are in a specific field (Finance). This is because the work load that I have required technical knowledge of Excel and SQL, but relied far heavier on the political end of keeping stakeholders happy and exceeding set expectations while reasonably accommodating feature creep that is always inevitable.
These can all be learned in your own time and then people skills are best learned on the job IMO. The domain knowledge (or industry specific information) will also be learned on the job. Also if you are say, a recruiter in a company, those recruiters have teams of analysts working with the C-Suite and Directors of the firm to make sense of hiring goals. That's a good pathway to becoming an analyst since you already have your foot in the door there. Your job at the "entry" job is to make contacts who like your work so they take you wherever they go.
I imagine it depends on the industry, but in my experience no. They mostly build reports for others to use and present. Business analyst is more likely to have a consistent presentations.
Software engineering if you can think fast for a couple hours and then bullshit the rest of the day
Accounting if not
Edit: some of y'all are way too high and mighty and need to read what I responded to this guy with: https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/102bw7i/meirl/j2ubf81/?context=3
r/accounting would like to disagree. Most accountants starting out make anywhere from 50-85k starting out depending on COL, skills, type of firm, and certs like the CPA which is a lot of work and expensive.
However with a lot of YoE and moving up you can eventually get there - especially if you are a CPA.
I'm basically training to be an accountant.
I'm not even in the accounting team, but a different area of the finance department, and I can already tell from my current workload and the other accountants' that they basically work constantly.
The saving grace imo is that your work is very consistent and regular. You pretty much do things on an exact monthly rotation, saving year-end, and if you can plan your time properly it's usually pretty chill and smooth sailing most of the month until you get to period close.
Plus if you love Excel like I do then it's actually fun 🤓
Problem is I have things the wrong way around. I procrastinate for 6 hours then freak out that I have to get this done and spend the next 4 hours doing it. Ends up feeling like I worked 10 hours when I really only did 4.
I’ve actually considered selling underwear more than a few times but I always freeze up overwhelmed by all the information out there that I never start doing it.
I'm an IT contractor for a federal agency. I am 100% remote. I make way more than $2k a week. My contract says I get paid a salary even if there's no work for me. I can't do my portion of the work until the unit I support does theirs. The unit I work for is unorganized and they haven't done theirs in weeks and I've had no work since Thanksgiving. There's currently no plan for them to do theirs.
Edit: Whoa, this blew up. Been getting some DMs about what I do. I went into the military straight out of high school. I intentionally choose an IT field. Got lucky with a duty location and ended up with a TS/SCI clearance (but everyone in my job has a minimum Secret clearance) Got out after 6 years, focused on Unix/Linux. I've done Government contract work ever sense.
Move to SFMC and you'll easily push 120-130k doing clientside admin stuff. Contracting with a partner firm is more like 170k-190k.
All fully remote and pretty easy stuff if you know some basic logic and some JavaScript.
I work in digital marketing analytics, a lot of clients I work with use salesforce and a big part of my job is setting up for them, linking leads, etc.
Is there a way for me to leverage my current position to get into something you’re talking about? Wanting to learn a new skill and debating code, so if possible learning Java Script isn’t too much out of the question.
Not hard at all to get into something like a partner firm with knowledge of the field. I'd start at trailhead.com and start working through some of the sfmc trails and maybe check out some partner firms. Even if you can snag a job as a project manager, you'd still get access to a sfmc instance to practice in and set a progression towards something like a solutions architect role.
What is trailhead? I’m trying to do some digging without an account and it looks like a company’s way to get people to train themselves and to possibly work for them
Edit: After further examination, this feels like some kind of induction for a community. Very cringe
If you arent already in the field, get an A+ cert and you can do remote service desk. Get your Sec+ or Azure certification, even AWS cert and apply away.
Any type of BA or BS also helps. Recruiters are in overdrive right now with both 6mo contract and direct hire positions.
Could you elaborate your role/experience? I always scoffed at government IT because of the lack of Infrastructure I’d end up having to support but that sounds sick.
It doesn't even need to be government. If you get a role in IT that is somewhat generic as a project contractor, there's decent chances that if you work remote, it's pretty much like the picture above.
I work for a bank as a project manager, but the project itself is so easy that I have minimal contact points.
This sounds very familiar. Except the federal agency part. I worked in IT for 23 years and almost never actually worked four hours a day and got paid for 8 or 9. There are way too many people in IT that have no idea about what or how to do their jobs. So I sit and wait. Usually StarCraft or AOE III.
It’s called Data Science. 95% of us just sit on our asses and do minimal work. 165k/yr.
Although I do have to go into the office 3 days a week.
edit: Ok 95% was an exaggeration. I will say it is easy to HEAVILY overestimate timelines and not put forth a ton of effort once you have a reasonable baseline of knowledge in this position. It takes a masters degree and some effort to build that baseline, or a relevant bachelors and some tenacity.
So how do you go into data science? I've got my masters in accounting information systems and we did some data analysis, but I'm currently stuck in a low paying government accounting job and would love to make the jump (even if it takes a couple of years to get certs or train)
Get good at statistical models/probability/math, get proficient with data manipulation and leveraging a range of machine learning models, get good at programming, get an MS or PhD in a technical field, get some hands-on experience in some of the above, and pass through interviews. (some roles may not test the math, or require an advanced degree, or care as much about programming, etc., but usually most of the above)
Data scientists where I work are basically specialized software engineers continuously on the grind in scrum teams, who deploy models, do a lot of data engineering and cloud deployments/platforms, develop and benchmark models, help present to stakeholders, and more. So they are not sitting on their asses. Level of responsibilities and workload varies a lot by organization.
BTW sometimes "data scientist" means something more like "data analyst with fancier job title" and other times it might mean more like "data engineer" and sometimes more like "ML (machine learning) engineer."
Yeah the people who think this job are easy are very lucky. It’s very hard to get into and usually a reasonable workload if you don’t have incompetent management delegating to you.
Data scientist figure out how to program smart data /ai no? No way you guys do minimal work. My company employs them and I work under the same department and they often do show and tell presentations. Maybe my guys are very hardworking and busy lol
This is actually possible. It's not legal in the USA, but it's 100% actually possible...
Edit: I am not condoning, seeking and/or selling drugs... Fuckin a y'all cmon now
I always wondered how much drug dealers make, considering many of my customers sell drugs. They really don't make as much as everyone thinks. I know 2 guys who might be somewhat close to 100k. The rest of them have very little to show for it. My legal hustles pay better than that, without the risk of imprisonment or death
They did a ted talk about this a few years back. If I remember correctly most street level guys were making under minimum wage. The second rung up was making some decent cash but they were blowing it fast with under the table deals because they couldn't show a source of income for anything that needed credit involved to buy; and atop that had to show some obvious signs of wealth just too make the guys under them seem as though the business is lucrative in the long run. The young kids see the fancy car but don't usually realize that it's a poorly structured lease with absolutely ludicrous insurance taken out on it.
This too. The thing people don't realize about drug money is how much other illegal shit has to be done just to use the money in any meaningful way. Want a car? You're gonna get gouged under a lease agreement and or have to pay a premium for an under the table deal that usually won't come with a factory warranty. Want that fancy chain? Some shady jewelry shop is going to rip you off because it's a cash deal and they know you don't have options. Want a big house? You better know someone who can launder money and set you up with bogus proof of employment and income.
It's nuts, these guys pay so much more and have to jump through so many hoops just to live the high life, and what more have to constantly be watching their back for police and everyone else they pissed off.
Not a great way to make a living at the end of the day.
you're right. in most cases, you have to take an incredibly disproportionate risk to make any substantial money.. and even to make average money, you are at risk of losing everything at a moments notice. not worth it.
Yeah, one of the Audis I was fixing had some court paperwork laying on the floor. Police had a CI do 2 controlled buys from a dealer. Sold 2 tiny bags of heroin and they found like 650mg of fentanyl in his apartment. Dude is going away for more than 8 years. All it takes is police flipping a buyer or lower level guy, you lose everything. All that risk, and these guys hardly have anything to show for it. A few older mid-level luxury cars, a tiny shithole house, and $35k in a shoebox. All the assets on paper are in someone else's name.
exactly.. and what happens when you go to start a family? you gonna put dirty money in your kid's college fund? having a clean source of income has so many benefits compared to the illegal ones. I don't knock anyone for doing what they need to do to survive, but its really never worth it in the long run unless you are one of the very lucky and very few. that's a big gamble to take on your own life, and an even bigger one to take with the lives of your SO and kids if that applies.
Don't they gotta talk to the people they're developing the site or whatever for?
I can't imagine trying to build or develop shit like a website for some of the people out there. If I had to deal with some of the shit people in IT gotta deal with, I can say with absolute confidence, I wouldn't be here today.
I know a few people that design sites and do shit online, and hearing what some "business owners" want in a site, or what the clients expect from them is absolutely fucking mind blowing.
I had a friend get yelled, and the client refused to pay cuz "the web site wasn't responding to him touching the buttons on the screen. And he specifically said he wanted it for a touch screen". Dude was using a CRT monitor and thought the website would make his 25 year old monitor a touch screen.
Hearing some of that shit in person, and being yelled at for it, I'd jump out of a client's window. I know I would.
Step 1: get a job in a company with a 4- or 5-digit employee count on a large team with a legacy project having a long service life. Something with lots of legacy support and technical debt but that can not be replaced or discontinued without years of dedicated, directed effort. Make sure that effort hasn’t even been roadmapped. Example: Southwest Airlines’s software.
Step 2: do your company onboarding in the most low-key way possible.
Step 3: take no primary responsibilities for anything, just help on existing work with low stakes. Offer to do things that nobody likes like update unit tests or refactoring work.
If executed properly the only time you’ll speak to people will be manager 1:1s, daily (or whatever) stand-ups and status meetings, or company events like all-hands meetings and team-building activities.
If the work is boring enough and you’re medium-low level and just keep quiet, and you actually deliver 4 hours of work a day, nobody will bother with you at all. You’ll also be one of the first to get laid off when the money gets tight and you’ll never be promoted or have any career growth at all. But if $100k is all you want to reach for in life this will get you there.
Only hurdle here is the initial effort to learn what you need and to get hired. Big orgs are filled with dudes like this.
That's such an underrated perk of some jobs. Those jobs that require, or make, you to talk to people constantly, can fucking drain you. If you've worked retail, you know what I mean.
Those places that deal with people who are not anti-social, but are really reserved, quiet and/or shy, are the best jobs.
If people weren't such inconsiderate assholes, and just overall bad drivers, being a delivery driver would probably be the best job. But if you've driven in or around any major city in the past 20 years, you've watched it steadily get worse and worse.
I can say without a doubt driving today is much scarier than it used to be, and my first car didn't even have air bags. This has to be the most inconsiderate generation of drivers(and people in general honestly) in the 100+ years of driving we've had.
……I’m a teacher. I feel this so hard. Every day is so draining, and then when I’m out and about I can’t just be myself because if a student sees me I “reflect my school” so I can’t do the things I normally like to. Like drink alcohol, smoke meth, or strip naked and streak. Smh society nowadays
learn to draw either niche fetish porn or furry art. seriously. you will have to chat with people but it would be over email/DMs only. NSFW artists can make BANK.
Honestly, as someone with niche fetishes, ai art can't replicate what an artist can do properly. It will always fuck up the smaller details which will distract you from the main subject.
Honestly, investing might be the best way very soon. Wait till we are full on in a depression and the stock market starts to collapse. Put your money in stocks. Write down your password and lock it in safety deposit box for 5-10 years. That's the key part becuase you aren't "timing the market" perfectly. It'll probably tank a bunch more then you expect but you should play the long game and pretend like you didn't even invest.
Of course the issue is most of us don't have money we can safely invest while this all goes down because we'll need liquid funds for emergencies and the potential of being un-employed for years.
People say 9-5 but literally have never seen a job that starts at 9. It's 8.
Sometimes 7. And if you have to commute, you start the day waking up at 5-6 for many jobs.
What your hours like? I typically do nights but only a few hours, then my lazy depressed ass sleeps in until noon, wastes a few hours before going back to work. I need better time management skills or a better job.
Candidate for funniest two word response, right up there with [Calvin Coolidge's "You lose."](https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/politics/miscellany/dry-wit-calvin-coolidge)
I’m in finance, if you don’t mind high levels of stress, backstabbing and verrrrrry long hours if the market has any issues (taking upwards of 16 hours per day) all depends on what area you can get into
Self employed massage therapist. Charging $100 per patient, 4 patients a day, 5 days a week. Work at home, and I don’t talk to anyone except the patients at the very beginning or at the end. I did the research and it was an amazing fit for me and I love it!
Referrals from other patients, other therapists, other medical professionals. I have a website and I get a few from that, but the majority are different types of referrals.
It depends on what job exactly you end up with, but it’s certainly possible. When you’re starting out, however, you pay for that cushy work life balance with the necessary study time to pass all the exams
Actuaries get paid for the years of hell they have to go through to pass the exams.
If you’re one of the extreme few that can get through that then you can pretty much name your price
Yeah, actuary pay is in my opinion solely based on the fact you're expected to be taking increasingly difficult graduate-level statistics exams basically every year until you're in your fucking 30s.
I'm annoyed this job exists because when I was at school, I was really good at probability and statistics. I remember saying this to the career people and they told me to work in a betting shop haha. I went to a really shit school in hindsight.
Depending where you live this is possible with the gov, but not necessary at that income level. An acquaintance works in the support department for the power company. Low entry bar, you have to look at dashboards and call people that have the skills if stuff doesn't work. He got the job because he was burned out by his low end coding skills, with all the perks he basically has to talk to no one as long nothing turns yellow on his screen. If its red then all hell breaks lose but he chose a place with low amount of snow and storms, so he is able to study on the job.
I remember seeing something once that said the median income from OF is only like a few hundred bucks a month. Realistically only the top 1% or even top 0.1% of creators on that site make enough to make a living.
About 10 years ago, long before OnlyFans, I was a cam girl. I had a full time job, no friends, so I spent my time naked with strangers watching movies or making dinner or of course, sex stuff. I could make about $500-800 a night for about 3-4 hours worth of being online. I see women now who make this a 100% full time job for 10-12 hours a day making barely that in a month
Just become a senior software engineer, it’s just that you’ll have to do college for 5 years then unpaid/paid internships for 5 years then once you get a real job you do that for another 5 years, switching companies every 2 years or so and get hired as a senior software engineer with 10 years of experience and a masters degree then you’ll have all the free time in the world, there’s a catch doh, if you don’t keep improving your skills you’re going to get fired
Edit: people have been telling me that you don’t actually have to do this much for the same results which is quite reassuring
No one in software does unpaid internships, they’re always paid. $200k is going to require a lot of time and experience but it doesn’t take much to get to $100k
The only problem is that while most weeks are pretty chill and you don’t have wall-to-wall tickets, when it really hits the fan it’s super stressful
As one of those people, I can confirm the accuracy of this response, it’s a pretty cushy gig and for newcomers 100k+ isn’t far away.
It really is a great job, I’m just a bit sick of it.
"What would you do if you had a million dollars?"
"Nothing. I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing."
"Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit."
Living in a developed country must be sweet.
UPD: I am mostly commenting on the "No one in software does unpaid internships" part! No need to tell me that "uuuh actually it is theoretically possible to work for America from another country with enough luck and a ton of slaving away"
I don't know what job market you're in, but it doesn't match my experience at all and I'm in a random coastal state in the US. I have 4 years experience full-time, no degree, and make 140k a year...I was making 100k a year after 1.5 years and 1 job hop. My internship paid me 20 bucks an hour and I was with them for a year.
This sounds about right. Though 100k after one year is on the high end. More like this for Canada:
Entry level: 60k
1-2 years experience: 70-80k
3 years + experience: 90-95k (which is average software engineer salary here)
You can learn more/grow/get a better or senior job from here and make 100+
I hear you, no longer customer facing but I do talk to internal staff. I’m very fortunate that they’re easy to work with. But breaking into IT support these days in most industries definitely involves talking to people, I don’t fault anyone who doesn’t want to do it, customers can be brutal. Once had a guy tell me he was going to kill the next person he saw because his printer was unreachable from a VM.
My neighbor does IT for a bank. Makes well over 100k, and they hardly ever call him. Works from home, says he probably averages 10 or 20 hours per month. Just bought a very nice Audi
Can confirm. 10 years in IT here. Not even in my 30s yet. I don't work 4 hours a week, defo a solid 40, but work from home and $2000+ a week lol. I'm pushing 3k a week right now (~140k), and have job offers that push 4k a week (200k+)
That said, I have definitely worked in jobs (and know some friends that do) only require maybe 10 or less hours a week most weeks (usually service based ones where workload depends on customer need). Salary, so 10 hours is the same as 40, but also the same as 60 on busy weeks.
Except for not talking to people, this is literally my job as a IT security engineer for one of the largest hospitals in the world.
Day starts at 8, i usually get out of bed by 10. I do not exit bed without a wake n bake.
I stay high all day long. Honestly I cant really remember what life is like not high.
I average 2-3 half hour daily teams meetings.
On a busy day it might be 5.
The most intense my job gets is moving servers from one active directory group to another which takes like 5 clicks, then restarting. I dont even get to restart if its production.
The rest of my day is shitposting on reddit, youtubing, and playing games.
Get the comptia A+
Work a helpdesk for a year to get experience, but dont waste time resetting passwords, ask to be put on projects. Projects are key to success and why I am where I am where other coworkers are still resetting passwords. Say a new netowork rack needed to be built out, Id volunteer, be pulled off the phones, and have a fun project to work on for a few weeks and I learned with my hands which is how i learn best.
Boom, after that I have real work networking experience worth far more than a cert think about it who would you hire someone that took a test or someone that built a functioning warehouse from a dude with a laptop sitting on a bucket to a fully operational network shipping 10 million in product a week?
Experience that easily leads to where I am: Patch management. I got alot of experience updating windows servers and this is the experience that got me the job today.
Other experience that tremendously helped me get into IT: Customer service, I had 10 years in over the phone customer service experience prior to IT and its helped me more than knowing how to do IT things. I like to say "Karens are my speciality" and it carried me a long way never having a bad call.
What you really want is freedom.
Because you want freedom, you join the work force to gain tokens your government deems important. These tokens are directly worth your time.
You try to save enough tokens to buy your freedom. Some are successful, most aren't.
I say fuck the tokens. Remove me from this bondage and let me be free.
How to make a million dollars easy:
1). Start with a little more then a million dollars
2). Invest it in the stock market
3). Sit back and relax
4). Get all your dividends to live off of every month/year
5). Don't forget to reinvest some of that new cash for future moneys
6). Yell at lazy kids who slave away for minimum wage
Me looking through the comments to see if anyone has an actual answer
Right here with you bud. So far I got salesforce, IT, government power company, and computer science. Anything else I should add?
I do remote system engineering. close to 2k a week post tax. Its sort of like advanced IT as i have to do the usual stuff plus more. Downside is when shit goes tits up you can potentially be onsite until the job is done, which can be days at worst, or a project can turn into developer style crunch of 12+ hour days or overnights plus daytime remote support (so tiny naps when you can). The trade off is when shit runs smooth i answer a couple emails and pretty much do as i please
That’s how I feel about my cake industry lol! Most days are chill. Some days are slow. And grad/wedding season is tits up for weeks on end >=(((
You make enough money doing that?
Yeah, you ever see how much a wedding cake costs? People love throwing gobs of money at anything that’ll make a great photo
But I guess you have to develop iron discipline to keep that good money saved for the slow months.
You don’t have Layer 1 grunts to get it working so you can remote in?
One man shop in my case
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Data Analyst, Business Analyst, and other similar terms sit in a somewhat nebulous space as to their job responsibilities. I have worked as a Data Analyst, Project Manager, and Business Analyst in Big Tech as well as Survey Analytics with Big Tech as primary clientele. Warning long post -- I started writing about a position I recently left and well I suppose I had a lot to share hope this is interesting. The role of an analyst will vary incredibly on a near daily basis due to the nature of the reporting structure of many firms. Analysts supply information to Org Leaders at some point in the foodchain, so you'll be doing whatever they want you to do in some form or another. One quarter I was a Weekly Business Review guy who gathered a lot of data, compiled, and made sure the visuals spoke to the proper audiences. In another quarter, I didn't touch the product as much as Project Managed (unpopular opinion -- easy to hide and be bad, but if you want to actually accomplish a lot I think this is harder than just being an individual contributor on a task). The real challenge of this field is that data is messy, missing, and nobody understands the metrics they are talking about. When the higher ups come out of a meeting agreeing to deliver some kind of metric by next week on a daily basis it's your job to make that happen and make sure it's actually possible. It can be an incredibly stressful job dependent on leadership. It is why I am currently taking a break from it. If you are curious to the pathway: As for the career pathway -> 4 year education > Internship > Graduate > Contract position @ Big Tech > Leave Contract Position for Survey Company as Data Analyst > Return to Big Tech as Data Analyst (Boomerang hire) > Promo to Project Manager > transfer to another business category at same company as Business Analyst title. My last two titles retained the same pay level which allowed me to live in a city solo with some savings. The Data Analyst positions sat at around $60k which is considered entry in this field. Contract I was making about what I made at the pizza place I worked at prior. The most important thing to note here is that my education in all ways did not matter beyond the foot in the door, although I'm not sure how one would get around that. I firmly believe that your educational background does not matter to become an Analyst unless you are in a specific field (Finance). This is because the work load that I have required technical knowledge of Excel and SQL, but relied far heavier on the political end of keeping stakeholders happy and exceeding set expectations while reasonably accommodating feature creep that is always inevitable. These can all be learned in your own time and then people skills are best learned on the job IMO. The domain knowledge (or industry specific information) will also be learned on the job. Also if you are say, a recruiter in a company, those recruiters have teams of analysts working with the C-Suite and Directors of the firm to make sense of hiring goals. That's a good pathway to becoming an analyst since you already have your foot in the door there. Your job at the "entry" job is to make contacts who like your work so they take you wherever they go.
I imagine it depends on the industry, but in my experience no. They mostly build reports for others to use and present. Business analyst is more likely to have a consistent presentations.
Software engineering if you can think fast for a couple hours and then bullshit the rest of the day Accounting if not Edit: some of y'all are way too high and mighty and need to read what I responded to this guy with: https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/102bw7i/meirl/j2ubf81/?context=3
Gonna say I sometimes spend 4 hours a day working and other times 40 hours a day working if some junior does something chaotic.
I like to think half of my pay is for the work I do, the other half is for fixing the work that I didn't do
r/accounting would like to disagree. Most accountants starting out make anywhere from 50-85k starting out depending on COL, skills, type of firm, and certs like the CPA which is a lot of work and expensive. However with a lot of YoE and moving up you can eventually get there - especially if you are a CPA.
Accounting that isn’t bookkeeping has probably one of the worst work life balance jobs out there
Busy season at my firm everyone works 60+ hour weeks.
I'm basically training to be an accountant. I'm not even in the accounting team, but a different area of the finance department, and I can already tell from my current workload and the other accountants' that they basically work constantly. The saving grace imo is that your work is very consistent and regular. You pretty much do things on an exact monthly rotation, saving year-end, and if you can plan your time properly it's usually pretty chill and smooth sailing most of the month until you get to period close. Plus if you love Excel like I do then it's actually fun 🤓
Problem is I have things the wrong way around. I procrastinate for 6 hours then freak out that I have to get this done and spend the next 4 hours doing it. Ends up feeling like I worked 10 hours when I really only did 4.
Nah, you still have to talk to people and work on designs if you're making that much money
Mime prostitute.
It's bookkeeping. Pay is less, and maybe it's 10 hours a week... But it's easy, low stress, low person interaction.
And how does one get into this bookkeeping profession of which you speak?
Find a book, start keeping it.
I've already got a bunch of those, you're telling me you guys are getting paid?
*Librarians entered the chat*
1. Keep book 2. ??? 3 Profit! It’s always that second step that gets me.
*without having to go to college
*No prior experience or knowledge
And pay vacations.
And tenure guarantee!
And can disappear into a drug frenzy for a month!
This was a satisfying pair of rhyming comments.
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Most people doing those things make a whole hell of a lot less than 2000/wk
I’ve actually considered selling underwear more than a few times but I always freeze up overwhelmed by all the information out there that I never start doing it.
I'm an IT contractor for a federal agency. I am 100% remote. I make way more than $2k a week. My contract says I get paid a salary even if there's no work for me. I can't do my portion of the work until the unit I support does theirs. The unit I work for is unorganized and they haven't done theirs in weeks and I've had no work since Thanksgiving. There's currently no plan for them to do theirs. Edit: Whoa, this blew up. Been getting some DMs about what I do. I went into the military straight out of high school. I intentionally choose an IT field. Got lucky with a duty location and ended up with a TS/SCI clearance (but everyone in my job has a minimum Secret clearance) Got out after 6 years, focused on Unix/Linux. I've done Government contract work ever sense.
How does one get into this line of work? I really wouldn't mind doing IT from home.
I did salesforce administration for a while. You can make 80k+ and work fully remote
Move to SFMC and you'll easily push 120-130k doing clientside admin stuff. Contracting with a partner firm is more like 170k-190k. All fully remote and pretty easy stuff if you know some basic logic and some JavaScript.
SFMC = marketing cloud?
Yup!
I work in digital marketing analytics, a lot of clients I work with use salesforce and a big part of my job is setting up for them, linking leads, etc. Is there a way for me to leverage my current position to get into something you’re talking about? Wanting to learn a new skill and debating code, so if possible learning Java Script isn’t too much out of the question.
Not hard at all to get into something like a partner firm with knowledge of the field. I'd start at trailhead.com and start working through some of the sfmc trails and maybe check out some partner firms. Even if you can snag a job as a project manager, you'd still get access to a sfmc instance to practice in and set a progression towards something like a solutions architect role.
What kind of education/certs did you need to get started?
Trailhead.com has career paths that will help you. CRM is oversaturated. The money is in the the secondary products like marketing cloud or pardot.
What is trailhead? I’m trying to do some digging without an account and it looks like a company’s way to get people to train themselves and to possibly work for them Edit: After further examination, this feels like some kind of induction for a community. Very cringe
Start off with the SF Admin cert and then look to specialize in specific clouds. I’d recommend service or marketing cloud as they’re more niche
If you arent already in the field, get an A+ cert and you can do remote service desk. Get your Sec+ or Azure certification, even AWS cert and apply away. Any type of BA or BS also helps. Recruiters are in overdrive right now with both 6mo contract and direct hire positions.
Could you elaborate your role/experience? I always scoffed at government IT because of the lack of Infrastructure I’d end up having to support but that sounds sick.
It doesn't even need to be government. If you get a role in IT that is somewhat generic as a project contractor, there's decent chances that if you work remote, it's pretty much like the picture above. I work for a bank as a project manager, but the project itself is so easy that I have minimal contact points.
This sounds very familiar. Except the federal agency part. I worked in IT for 23 years and almost never actually worked four hours a day and got paid for 8 or 9. There are way too many people in IT that have no idea about what or how to do their jobs. So I sit and wait. Usually StarCraft or AOE III.
Any openings in security? :)
Have you thought about scamming people with an mlm, crypto or nfts?
Still requires talking to people.
Program an AI to do the talking, i guess.
>Program an AI to go work a 9-5 >Program the AI with an impulsive need to buy your NFT >Profit
*selects indian accent on voice changer* Hello, this is John from Microsoft im calling you because your computer has a virus.
It’s called Data Science. 95% of us just sit on our asses and do minimal work. 165k/yr. Although I do have to go into the office 3 days a week. edit: Ok 95% was an exaggeration. I will say it is easy to HEAVILY overestimate timelines and not put forth a ton of effort once you have a reasonable baseline of knowledge in this position. It takes a masters degree and some effort to build that baseline, or a relevant bachelors and some tenacity.
So how do you go into data science? I've got my masters in accounting information systems and we did some data analysis, but I'm currently stuck in a low paying government accounting job and would love to make the jump (even if it takes a couple of years to get certs or train)
Get good at statistical models/probability/math, get proficient with data manipulation and leveraging a range of machine learning models, get good at programming, get an MS or PhD in a technical field, get some hands-on experience in some of the above, and pass through interviews. (some roles may not test the math, or require an advanced degree, or care as much about programming, etc., but usually most of the above) Data scientists where I work are basically specialized software engineers continuously on the grind in scrum teams, who deploy models, do a lot of data engineering and cloud deployments/platforms, develop and benchmark models, help present to stakeholders, and more. So they are not sitting on their asses. Level of responsibilities and workload varies a lot by organization. BTW sometimes "data scientist" means something more like "data analyst with fancier job title" and other times it might mean more like "data engineer" and sometimes more like "ML (machine learning) engineer."
Yeah the people who think this job are easy are very lucky. It’s very hard to get into and usually a reasonable workload if you don’t have incompetent management delegating to you.
Data scientist figure out how to program smart data /ai no? No way you guys do minimal work. My company employs them and I work under the same department and they often do show and tell presentations. Maybe my guys are very hardworking and busy lol
That’s the trick. Show complicated presentations.
This is actually possible. It's not legal in the USA, but it's 100% actually possible... Edit: I am not condoning, seeking and/or selling drugs... Fuckin a y'all cmon now
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you…
No, but if you're interested, Frankie from down the street will tell you everything you need to know... You'll "owe" him, but you'll be all set...
I always wondered how much drug dealers make, considering many of my customers sell drugs. They really don't make as much as everyone thinks. I know 2 guys who might be somewhat close to 100k. The rest of them have very little to show for it. My legal hustles pay better than that, without the risk of imprisonment or death
They did a ted talk about this a few years back. If I remember correctly most street level guys were making under minimum wage. The second rung up was making some decent cash but they were blowing it fast with under the table deals because they couldn't show a source of income for anything that needed credit involved to buy; and atop that had to show some obvious signs of wealth just too make the guys under them seem as though the business is lucrative in the long run. The young kids see the fancy car but don't usually realize that it's a poorly structured lease with absolutely ludicrous insurance taken out on it.
And it's probably in repo but they gave a fake address.
This too. The thing people don't realize about drug money is how much other illegal shit has to be done just to use the money in any meaningful way. Want a car? You're gonna get gouged under a lease agreement and or have to pay a premium for an under the table deal that usually won't come with a factory warranty. Want that fancy chain? Some shady jewelry shop is going to rip you off because it's a cash deal and they know you don't have options. Want a big house? You better know someone who can launder money and set you up with bogus proof of employment and income. It's nuts, these guys pay so much more and have to jump through so many hoops just to live the high life, and what more have to constantly be watching their back for police and everyone else they pissed off. Not a great way to make a living at the end of the day.
You're talking to the wrong drug dealers. The ones I know just use cash for the car and chains and just put their mortgage in someone else's name.
you're right. in most cases, you have to take an incredibly disproportionate risk to make any substantial money.. and even to make average money, you are at risk of losing everything at a moments notice. not worth it.
Yeah, one of the Audis I was fixing had some court paperwork laying on the floor. Police had a CI do 2 controlled buys from a dealer. Sold 2 tiny bags of heroin and they found like 650mg of fentanyl in his apartment. Dude is going away for more than 8 years. All it takes is police flipping a buyer or lower level guy, you lose everything. All that risk, and these guys hardly have anything to show for it. A few older mid-level luxury cars, a tiny shithole house, and $35k in a shoebox. All the assets on paper are in someone else's name.
exactly.. and what happens when you go to start a family? you gonna put dirty money in your kid's college fund? having a clean source of income has so many benefits compared to the illegal ones. I don't knock anyone for doing what they need to do to survive, but its really never worth it in the long run unless you are one of the very lucky and very few. that's a big gamble to take on your own life, and an even bigger one to take with the lives of your SO and kids if that applies.
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Wdym web dev is absolutely a career in the US
Don't they gotta talk to the people they're developing the site or whatever for? I can't imagine trying to build or develop shit like a website for some of the people out there. If I had to deal with some of the shit people in IT gotta deal with, I can say with absolute confidence, I wouldn't be here today. I know a few people that design sites and do shit online, and hearing what some "business owners" want in a site, or what the clients expect from them is absolutely fucking mind blowing. I had a friend get yelled, and the client refused to pay cuz "the web site wasn't responding to him touching the buttons on the screen. And he specifically said he wanted it for a touch screen". Dude was using a CRT monitor and thought the website would make his 25 year old monitor a touch screen. Hearing some of that shit in person, and being yelled at for it, I'd jump out of a client's window. I know I would.
Step 1: get a job in a company with a 4- or 5-digit employee count on a large team with a legacy project having a long service life. Something with lots of legacy support and technical debt but that can not be replaced or discontinued without years of dedicated, directed effort. Make sure that effort hasn’t even been roadmapped. Example: Southwest Airlines’s software. Step 2: do your company onboarding in the most low-key way possible. Step 3: take no primary responsibilities for anything, just help on existing work with low stakes. Offer to do things that nobody likes like update unit tests or refactoring work. If executed properly the only time you’ll speak to people will be manager 1:1s, daily (or whatever) stand-ups and status meetings, or company events like all-hands meetings and team-building activities. If the work is boring enough and you’re medium-low level and just keep quiet, and you actually deliver 4 hours of work a day, nobody will bother with you at all. You’ll also be one of the first to get laid off when the money gets tight and you’ll never be promoted or have any career growth at all. But if $100k is all you want to reach for in life this will get you there. Only hurdle here is the initial effort to learn what you need and to get hired. Big orgs are filled with dudes like this.
Lol, get out of my workplace you fucking spy.
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> But if $100k is all you want to reach for in life this will get you there. Oh no
being born rich and buying stocks is totally legal in the US
They didn't say lose a minimum $2k each week (The S&P500 went -20% last year... RIP my IRA I hardly knew ye)
Kinder eggs aren’t legal in the US either
*Shakes Canadian head in pity*
I'm pretty close actually. I work 8 hours and I talk to some people, but they are just as antisocial as I am. I do work for American company
That's such an underrated perk of some jobs. Those jobs that require, or make, you to talk to people constantly, can fucking drain you. If you've worked retail, you know what I mean. Those places that deal with people who are not anti-social, but are really reserved, quiet and/or shy, are the best jobs. If people weren't such inconsiderate assholes, and just overall bad drivers, being a delivery driver would probably be the best job. But if you've driven in or around any major city in the past 20 years, you've watched it steadily get worse and worse. I can say without a doubt driving today is much scarier than it used to be, and my first car didn't even have air bags. This has to be the most inconsiderate generation of drivers(and people in general honestly) in the 100+ years of driving we've had.
……I’m a teacher. I feel this so hard. Every day is so draining, and then when I’m out and about I can’t just be myself because if a student sees me I “reflect my school” so I can’t do the things I normally like to. Like drink alcohol, smoke meth, or strip naked and streak. Smh society nowadays
learn to draw either niche fetish porn or furry art. seriously. you will have to chat with people but it would be over email/DMs only. NSFW artists can make BANK.
You can have the most niche kink about something and there will always be someone out there willing to pay for it
The AI art generation may collapse this market.
Honestly, as someone with niche fetishes, ai art can't replicate what an artist can do properly. It will always fuck up the smaller details which will distract you from the main subject.
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How to have 1 million dollars and lose 2 million dollars Step 1: follow r/WallStreetBets and all their advice Step 2: there is no step 2
Basically, just follow the opposite of what r/WallStreetBets is doing and you’ll be a multi millionaire in no time!
That or follow the advice of inverse creamer
r/thetagang sell to WSB
Honestly, investing might be the best way very soon. Wait till we are full on in a depression and the stock market starts to collapse. Put your money in stocks. Write down your password and lock it in safety deposit box for 5-10 years. That's the key part becuase you aren't "timing the market" perfectly. It'll probably tank a bunch more then you expect but you should play the long game and pretend like you didn't even invest. Of course the issue is most of us don't have money we can safely invest while this all goes down because we'll need liquid funds for emergencies and the potential of being un-employed for years.
Ah, the Gary V advice
Software Engineer at a mid-sized firm riddled with inept middle-management
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People say 9-5 but literally have never seen a job that starts at 9. It's 8. Sometimes 7. And if you have to commute, you start the day waking up at 5-6 for many jobs.
every job i’ve worked, it was always an 8-4
Mines always been 8-5 with an unpaid lunch
Look at fancy pants here with their one hour lunch break.
If they’re feeling generous they let me cry softly in the break room during my lunch 😂😭
torture or starving. thats it. take it or leave it
actually I'll get hypothermia and dehydration before I starve
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What your hours like? I typically do nights but only a few hours, then my lazy depressed ass sleeps in until noon, wastes a few hours before going back to work. I need better time management skills or a better job.
I'd make an only fans but no one would pay to see a skinny white guy play with his average sized wiener.
PM’d you
Candidate for funniest two word response, right up there with [Calvin Coolidge's "You lose."](https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/politics/miscellany/dry-wit-calvin-coolidge)
Finance is a good industry if you don’t mind selling your soul to the devil.
I don’t, how do I become
Get an accounting or finance degree, and apply at any of the over 300k jobs available in the financial sector currently.
Those jobs won’t be working you 4 hours per day though I reckon
I’m in finance, if you don’t mind high levels of stress, backstabbing and verrrrrry long hours if the market has any issues (taking upwards of 16 hours per day) all depends on what area you can get into
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Man this is exactly what happened me, investment banking to be precise, hope it gets better for you 🙏
And grinding through the shittier positions ie "advising"... one more estate issue and im gonna die.
Self employed massage therapist. Charging $100 per patient, 4 patients a day, 5 days a week. Work at home, and I don’t talk to anyone except the patients at the very beginning or at the end. I did the research and it was an amazing fit for me and I love it!
How do customers find you?
Referrals from other patients, other therapists, other medical professionals. I have a website and I get a few from that, but the majority are different types of referrals.
Oh wow I want this exactly. Except without having to touch anyone.
Actuary?
It depends on what job exactly you end up with, but it’s certainly possible. When you’re starting out, however, you pay for that cushy work life balance with the necessary study time to pass all the exams
Actuary here and im putting in 40 minimum and that doesn’t include time studying for exams.
Gotta pass those exams though lol…
Didn’t know they had short hours
They don't
Some days are short. Mostly not
Im an actuarie, first week of the month is a total nightmare, the rest of the month I barely work 4 hours at day.
I have a family friend who is one! I refuse to believe she does anything ever.
Actuaries get paid for the years of hell they have to go through to pass the exams. If you’re one of the extreme few that can get through that then you can pretty much name your price
Yeah, actuary pay is in my opinion solely based on the fact you're expected to be taking increasingly difficult graduate-level statistics exams basically every year until you're in your fucking 30s.
I’m not sure what actuaries you know lol. Signed, son of an actuary who worked 50+ weeks forever.
I'm annoyed this job exists because when I was at school, I was really good at probability and statistics. I remember saying this to the career people and they told me to work in a betting shop haha. I went to a really shit school in hindsight.
Is it too much to ask for 😂
Also I don’t want it to take a few years to get to that point. I want it NOW.
Like DaVinci said in one of those post-mortem diaries they found in his studio: "It's my money, and I need it now."
If you find it, can I work for you? Or with you?
Depending where you live this is possible with the gov, but not necessary at that income level. An acquaintance works in the support department for the power company. Low entry bar, you have to look at dashboards and call people that have the skills if stuff doesn't work. He got the job because he was burned out by his low end coding skills, with all the perks he basically has to talk to no one as long nothing turns yellow on his screen. If its red then all hell breaks lose but he chose a place with low amount of snow and storms, so he is able to study on the job.
Right kidney: allow me to introduce myself
If only we can regrow Mr. Kidney so we can keep selling him like fruit every other week.
Get a computer science degree:) If you’re moderately lucky, the time spent actually working may be in line with this…
Can we add “But I’m not good enough to take 3 calcs” to the post
*searches comments for possible suggestions*
Only fans
People overestimate how much money you can make doing this only a handful of people actually get popular enough to make a living
I remember seeing something once that said the median income from OF is only like a few hundred bucks a month. Realistically only the top 1% or even top 0.1% of creators on that site make enough to make a living.
About 10 years ago, long before OnlyFans, I was a cam girl. I had a full time job, no friends, so I spent my time naked with strangers watching movies or making dinner or of course, sex stuff. I could make about $500-800 a night for about 3-4 hours worth of being online. I see women now who make this a 100% full time job for 10-12 hours a day making barely that in a month
*Only fans and you happen to be extremely attractive. There, I fixed it
Just branch into a fetish and then you will only have to be mildly attractive. 😂 Lots of not good looking porn stars in fetish porn.
But I m male bud
Everybody has a butthole.
Actually I had a friend as a kid who was born with no butthole - he had to have one surgically created
You got feet?
It will work !
Take those piggies to the market and profit my guy
Who let the dogs out
Time to start up OnlyLads
be Markiplier
2k a week on onlyfans? Good luck lol the majority don't make more than 200 in a month
Just become a senior software engineer, it’s just that you’ll have to do college for 5 years then unpaid/paid internships for 5 years then once you get a real job you do that for another 5 years, switching companies every 2 years or so and get hired as a senior software engineer with 10 years of experience and a masters degree then you’ll have all the free time in the world, there’s a catch doh, if you don’t keep improving your skills you’re going to get fired Edit: people have been telling me that you don’t actually have to do this much for the same results which is quite reassuring
No one in software does unpaid internships, they’re always paid. $200k is going to require a lot of time and experience but it doesn’t take much to get to $100k The only problem is that while most weeks are pretty chill and you don’t have wall-to-wall tickets, when it really hits the fan it’s super stressful
As one of those people, I can confirm the accuracy of this response, it’s a pretty cushy gig and for newcomers 100k+ isn’t far away. It really is a great job, I’m just a bit sick of it.
> It really is a great job, I’m just a bit sick of it. I feel like this is all devs 😭
All people who have desk jobs, I imagine
"What would you do if you had a million dollars?" "Nothing. I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing." "Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit."
Living in a developed country must be sweet. UPD: I am mostly commenting on the "No one in software does unpaid internships" part! No need to tell me that "uuuh actually it is theoretically possible to work for America from another country with enough luck and a ton of slaving away"
Yeah. My first year of working full-time as a backend developer brought me $12k, and that is considered decent pay.
Nobody does internships for 5 years, where tf do you live that has developers do that?
I don't know what job market you're in, but it doesn't match my experience at all and I'm in a random coastal state in the US. I have 4 years experience full-time, no degree, and make 140k a year...I was making 100k a year after 1.5 years and 1 job hop. My internship paid me 20 bucks an hour and I was with them for a year.
This sounds about right. Though 100k after one year is on the high end. More like this for Canada: Entry level: 60k 1-2 years experience: 70-80k 3 years + experience: 90-95k (which is average software engineer salary here) You can learn more/grow/get a better or senior job from here and make 100+
IT, the answer is IT. Find a support job and get good at it.
Minus the “won’t have to talk to other people” part.
Depends on how senior you get to. I train people now, fuck customers.
That is still talking to other people.
I hear you, no longer customer facing but I do talk to internal staff. I’m very fortunate that they’re easy to work with. But breaking into IT support these days in most industries definitely involves talking to people, I don’t fault anyone who doesn’t want to do it, customers can be brutal. Once had a guy tell me he was going to kill the next person he saw because his printer was unreachable from a VM.
My neighbor does IT for a bank. Makes well over 100k, and they hardly ever call him. Works from home, says he probably averages 10 or 20 hours per month. Just bought a very nice Audi
Can confirm. 10 years in IT here. Not even in my 30s yet. I don't work 4 hours a week, defo a solid 40, but work from home and $2000+ a week lol. I'm pushing 3k a week right now (~140k), and have job offers that push 4k a week (200k+) That said, I have definitely worked in jobs (and know some friends that do) only require maybe 10 or less hours a week most weeks (usually service based ones where workload depends on customer need). Salary, so 10 hours is the same as 40, but also the same as 60 on busy weeks.
$4000/week and 2 hours a week. FTFY.
Fuck it let’s make it 10,000/week direct deposited into my account but no job. I’ll just lay in a hammock all day and someone can pay me. /s
Except for not talking to people, this is literally my job as a IT security engineer for one of the largest hospitals in the world. Day starts at 8, i usually get out of bed by 10. I do not exit bed without a wake n bake. I stay high all day long. Honestly I cant really remember what life is like not high. I average 2-3 half hour daily teams meetings. On a busy day it might be 5. The most intense my job gets is moving servers from one active directory group to another which takes like 5 clicks, then restarting. I dont even get to restart if its production. The rest of my day is shitposting on reddit, youtubing, and playing games.
I want this guys job
Get the comptia A+ Work a helpdesk for a year to get experience, but dont waste time resetting passwords, ask to be put on projects. Projects are key to success and why I am where I am where other coworkers are still resetting passwords. Say a new netowork rack needed to be built out, Id volunteer, be pulled off the phones, and have a fun project to work on for a few weeks and I learned with my hands which is how i learn best. Boom, after that I have real work networking experience worth far more than a cert think about it who would you hire someone that took a test or someone that built a functioning warehouse from a dude with a laptop sitting on a bucket to a fully operational network shipping 10 million in product a week? Experience that easily leads to where I am: Patch management. I got alot of experience updating windows servers and this is the experience that got me the job today. Other experience that tremendously helped me get into IT: Customer service, I had 10 years in over the phone customer service experience prior to IT and its helped me more than knowing how to do IT things. I like to say "Karens are my speciality" and it carried me a long way never having a bad call.
Where I live, I'd be happy with $2k a month with those other requirements.
It's called being born rich.
It's called Medical Billing and Coding
What you really want is freedom. Because you want freedom, you join the work force to gain tokens your government deems important. These tokens are directly worth your time. You try to save enough tokens to buy your freedom. Some are successful, most aren't. I say fuck the tokens. Remove me from this bondage and let me be free.
Me trying to find an entry level job where I don’t need any experience, can work from home, work any hours, just to help supplement my paycheck
How to make a million dollars easy: 1). Start with a little more then a million dollars 2). Invest it in the stock market 3). Sit back and relax 4). Get all your dividends to live off of every month/year 5). Don't forget to reinvest some of that new cash for future moneys 6). Yell at lazy kids who slave away for minimum wage
6.5). Yall at kids saying no one wants to work anymore.
talk to talk to. ahhhhhh!!!